: The car im lookin at



carguy16
10-05-04, 08:56 AM
I have a link for the 1993 Fleetwood im lookin at:

http://www.autotrader.com/dealers/ida/redyellow3_vdetail.jtmpl?result_car_id=171042144&car_id=171042144&dealer_id=614616

It looks really nice, which is the down side of it. It means the price is higher.

If anyone has any ideas for $4,000.00 grand out the door, I am all ears.

Im looking at $5,027.00 if the dealer gets his way, thats $350.00 for tax, then the other $327.00 is for tag, title and registration.

DopeStar 156
10-05-04, 09:09 AM
I'd bet you could get him down. He must not know too much about the car to list it as FWD. Make somethin' up that's wrong with it. Doesn't sound like he'll be able to tell.

HotRodSaint
10-05-04, 01:15 PM
The '94-'96 is what you want for it's LT1. :thumbsup:

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FASSTWOOD
10-05-04, 01:20 PM
Go for a 95. Its obd1 and it has the nicer mirrors.


See how I stir things Saint....

HotRodSaint
10-05-04, 01:27 PM
Go for a 95. Its obd1 and it has the nicer mirrors.


See how I stir things Saint....

What he said! :thumbsup:

carguy16
10-05-04, 04:14 PM
Guys, I'm 17, I cant imagine how much insurance would be If I bought the 94-96 Fleetwood with the LT1. Sure, the mirrors are nicer, the steering wheel is nicer, and its faster, but I'll take what I can get.

As of now, the miles on it is the only thing going, 108,000 miles. He told me it was LOW MILES for an 11 year old car. Uhh, but thinking about it, 108,000 miles is alot of freakin miles for a car, components will need repairing.

I have called twice about the car, First time asking if the price was negotiable, the second time I was asking to make an offer of $4,000.00 grand out the door.

Is there anyone in this group that can tell me how to bring the price down? It doesnt have OBD, I want to call it Obione Canobi(star wars robot)...But, if I knew more about the car then he did, and the car had OBD, I could have my dad look under the hood while I go in and disable ABS, and be like "Oh whats this, ABS disabled???" What should I look for? SUSPENSION is obviously one of the first items on the list, but you gotta have more then one thing wrong with the car to bring the price down.

The other doozy, this dealer is close to 50 miles from my house, its quite a drive to go out there, and my parents arent for driving far, although I really could care less how far it is, 50 miles is reasonable, as long as its not like 800 miles away...

Oh by the way, they also have some '94 Devilles there, but they are way over priced. I am thinking about waiting a few more weeks and saving money up, and pray the car is still there. :helpless: I dont have many options, this would be one hell of a car for me. I have seen pictures of the engine bay, and there is PLENTY of room to replace the serpantine belt, and it looks like the alternator and other things are also easily accesable. Im used to see cramped engine bays, so this looks really neat to me.

As of this point, I am getting really disgusted with AutoTrader. I call people about cars, and they dont return calls, not even the courtesy to remove their car from the listings or call back to say its sold. I found a 92 Brougham, with about 62,000 miles for about $4,500.00 OR BEST OFFER, I e-mailed and left a voice message, and I havnt heard anything back. OBO's are good, you can bring the price down.

68CoupeDeVille
10-05-04, 04:46 PM
your insurance shouldn't be higher because it has the lt1. the car is classified as a near-luxury sedan. that's gotta be the most statistically boring vehicle class on the road.

Adam
10-05-04, 05:36 PM
you might be able to get it for 4k but the price hes got on there is pretty sound for a Fleetwood. the dealer is going by Kelly Blue Book pricing. look at everything on the car, if you see something that could present a problem or doesnt look right then say "hey, this will cost me... ill give you four thousand." if he says no, just say, "well i guess you dont wanna sell me the car." salesmen hate that, theyll work with you then.

DopeStar 156
10-05-04, 06:54 PM
I agree with 93fleet. He's got a good point. I test drove a 93 and loved it, I thought the engine sounded pretty sweet and it was in pretty goos shape. Yeah the mirrors are tiny, but they're no bigger than the mirrors I ended up with on my 89. All in all the 93 is still a great car. Explain to the guy that it's gonna cost you a few bucks to get it on the road and if he's really that despirate to get rid of it, he'll let you have it for what you want. I'm sure your dad might give ya a hand too. Mine did in doing the necessary maintainence on my Fleetwood with me. It was great bonding time.

Adam
10-05-04, 06:57 PM
also let him know that parts are gonna be hard to find seeing as it is older.

carguy16
10-05-04, 07:21 PM
Another valid point. There were only like 29,000 units made that year. I know my sister's 99' Ford Escort, basic parts like switches, they dont make them any more. Some parts you will have to go to the junk yard, or have them rebuilt if possible.

Just like for the 1994 Devilles, someone mentioned something about a Suspension computer in the trunk or under the glove box, it was broken, but unfortunately they dont make those any more.

Oh, could you clean out a couple private messages, i cant send my message till you do, or I can send it off board via e-mail.


also let him know that parts are gonna be hard to find seeing as it is older.

FASSTWOOD
10-05-04, 07:21 PM
did you go and personally look at the car? If you did, did you get the salesman's name? If you did just give him a call tell him your interested but you are only will to pay 4,000.00 for it out the door. For pete's sake it a 93!!!
If you went to look at the car already and you just call him with your offer he might consider it. Check the tires tell him they were dry rotted even if they weren't tell him the brake felt spongy, tell him its has a slight miss... Salesman have no technical idea...LOL It's worth the try.Also check out www.autotrader.com and www.ebay.com That's where I found my 95 for dirt cheap, eventhough it has 349,000 miles but it runs great and I have another motor in the garage with 60,000 miles...

DopeStar 156
10-05-04, 07:33 PM
Haha FASSTWOOD raises a good point, that's how I got mine for $2,200.

Leloz
10-05-04, 07:41 PM
You can do far better than that deal. Just take a look at the examples on ebay. The 1993 Broughams go for $4K and under. Heck, I am selling my cherry 1993 Sixty Special with 89K on this forum for $4995. And if you want to start with something with less electronic equipment to go amiss, how about a 1995-1996 9C1 Caprice? They are bare bones and all you need and IMO a perfect car to learn how to perfect your driving skills and automotive techinical ability on. You can find them for your price range. With little work you can have a nice Impala SS clone and then upgrade to a 1996 Brougham when you have the experience/money!
HTH and goodluck!

FASSTWOOD
10-05-04, 07:52 PM
How about this one...http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=166561075&dealer_id=1150329&car_year=1994&make=CAD&distance=any&max_price=&model=FLEE&advcd_on=n&end_year=1996&min_price=&first_record=126&address=11694&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1994&=&color=&cardist=358

Its a 94 with 116,000 for under 4k...

RBraczyk
10-05-04, 08:22 PM
dude, Obi Wan Kenobi is a jedi master, not a robot. thats R2-fricken-D2. Or C3PO

DopeStar 156
10-05-04, 09:44 PM
Go for the lil' beauty next to it.

Adam
10-05-04, 09:52 PM
where the hell is that thing? i think ill go buy it.

DopeStar 156
10-05-04, 11:02 PM
Looks like a Coupe DeVille, or maybe a Lincoln Mark or Town Coupe.

7.0,hellyeah
10-05-04, 11:10 PM
Its gotta be a coupe, Pretending to walk away always makes sellers pissed and forces them lower the $. I got a 79 deville with only 18K on it. Look for lower miles its way worth it. Oh another thing, is 1600 a good price for a '74 nova ss? they have 350's in em right?

DopeStar 156
10-05-04, 11:12 PM
No my friend, tis a Lincoln. Compare.
http://images.autotrader.com/images/2004/7/9/166/561/926997392.166561075.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.jpg
http://www.oldcars.com/adimages/0020040412_1977_9_281918.jpg

FASSTWOOD
10-05-04, 11:50 PM
Very good detective work Dopestar... By the way I'm not selling the caddy I just found it on www.autotrader.com

Someone just e-mailed me about it, but I am at work so I can't respond.(nightshift sucks!)

barge master
10-06-04, 08:20 PM
I'll bet you anything that if you put 50 random vehicles in front of me, I could find something wrong with 49 of them. Every car over a year or two old needs something, even if it's the original hoses or plug wires changed. The shop I work at also has a used car lot and most cars come from the auctions. We look them over for safety and normal repairs, but the salesman isn't going to sink any more into them than he has to. A lot of small stuff gets left alone unless a serious buyer insists it be fixed. They expect to have to go down at least some on the price, it's part of the game. NEVER EVER give them their asking price!!! With gas getting more expensive every day, you can afford to drive a hard bargain on a big car like that. Go in and look at the car when the weather is good, then come back to negotiate when there is bad weather forecast for a few days. Sales will be down,and they will want to get some money on the books for the week. Good luck!!

DopeStar 156
10-06-04, 08:37 PM
Ahh the hunt, God speed Carguy.

carguy16
10-06-04, 09:10 PM
I have heard about that bad weather thing. Bad side to it they might think your desperate to buy a car, to come in on a poor rainy day...

If he doesnt accept my offer, I've found a nice 97 and nice 98 Ford Escort to look at, both low miles. The A/C is killer on those car's, gas is good, and they handle nimbly, and it fits in any parking spot. BAD side: Dorky, not all that power ful with the A/C and a few passengers in the back, teenie weenie engine compartment, my sister has an Escort with the same body style only a '99, she had to take it to the dealership to have the lower radiator hose replaced, because it was IMPOSSIBLE for us to get to it from the top or the bottom, the upper radiator hose was a breeze to replace though.

The Caddy: Its big, pimp, most V8's seem to be smooth and quiet, its just a cool car. Looking under the hood, there is plenty of clearance infront of the radiator, plenty of clearance to access the serpantine belt and vital components like the alternator, rear wheel drive, SAFE, ABS and traction control, VERY roomy inside, nice layout, although I dont know why they dont have steering wheel mounted controls. One huge ass trunk, and from pics Ive seen on ebay, is that a full size spare in the trunk??? Did I mention pimp???

Now, I can get booth for $4,000.00 grand out the door, the '97 Escort has 57k miles on it, with no options but power steering, but very reliable, its a gaurantee for $4,000.00 out the door. Now, the Fleetwood Deville, If I pay the dealer the full price including tax, tag, title and registration, it will be about $5,030.00 bucks, I offered him $4,000.00 out the door, the retail price on his car is $4,350.00 , but this is one of those WHOLE SALE lots, how ever, every one keeps telling me thats to much, I know someone got theirs on here for $3,000.00. I like how that person called the salesman "Clowns." I can easily imagine a sales man dressed as a clown honking his nose walking up to me as I step out of my car onto their lot, "How you doing today? How can I get you to drive this car home? Dont make me do magic tricks, I've done plenty to make high prices disapear!"

I dont like this desperation thing, I want to get it over and done with, and hope fully when the smoke clears, a Caddy sits in my driveway. :bouncy:


Ahh the hunt, God speed Carguy.

Adam
10-06-04, 10:29 PM
it had better be a Caddy. j/k, what can you do you know? if he doesnt take it keep looking for one, you cant rush these things. it took me two years to find my Fleetwood. of course i had a few cars in between but they were nice luxury cars (except for my first car a nissan) had an Olds and two Lincolns (Town Car with 20 inch wires, had it for a week and sold it for 3k and a Continental with 18 inch Mossa 744Cs which i still have.) nut dont give up on your Caddy by buying a peice of crap, get a nice Lincoln or something.

FASSTWOOD
10-06-04, 10:48 PM
MAN!!! From a Fleetwood to a Escort! Hows that for the other side of the spectrum! Don't give up you'll find your fleetwood... Where do you live? Is the one from autotrader I posted remotley close to you? Do another search on autotrader

Adam
10-06-04, 10:53 PM
i dont think evil knievel could have made that leap. i heard that somewhere.

evilrussian
10-06-04, 11:06 PM
Hah! In 2000 I had to stop using my Caddy as a primary transportation and got myself a brand new Focus! Just couldn't afford $50.00 of 93 octane every five days... So that Escort might not be such a bad idea with gas prices we got today. But I could still roll out in my Cad on weekends, he-he...
BTW, 18 months later I ran into a back of a tractor trailer in that Focus - total loss, needless to say...

DopeStar 156
10-06-04, 11:16 PM
Actually, Escourts are as reliable as crack addicts paying your phone bill. I know three people with them and they swear never to look at one again.

Adam
10-06-04, 11:18 PM
93 octane, Jesus H Christ man. i only use 87. is that right, anyway the cheapest. must be different for 94 and up.

carguy16
10-08-04, 10:23 AM
The Escort is fairly reliable. My sister has a '99. It has never stranded her, except two times for a dead battery.

A switch went out that activated the A/C, that was EXPENSIVE to replace, $200.00 - $500.00 I believe at Ford, a Misfiring Cylinder, that was a big bill, right now there is a short in a switch for the A/C fan, so the fan likes to go from HI to LOW, to fix it you turn the A/C off then on again. Other then that, it is running strong.

I can tell you right now, '97 and newer Escorts, they handle nimbly and are very solid on the road. Gas mileage is pretty good to, 28 city and about 32 highway. Of course I could really care less about gas milage, 17/28 for the Fleetwood is pretty good especially since it takes 87.

Now, lets talk reliability on the Fleetwood, how good is it? Since the 93 doesnt have the LT1, apparently thats a good thing for a gas and reliability standing. I seriously doubt having any other problems.

BeelzeBob
10-08-04, 10:49 AM
CarGuy! No way! Don't get an Escort! These Fleetwoods are VERY reliable! Click the link in my signature and take a look at the pictures.. Do you REALLY want an Escort after that? Are you really in DIRE need for a car that you must purchase something now? Is there any way you can save just a little more?

Oh, and by the way. I don't believe the Fleetwood was really classified as "near" luxury by any more than one website. It's a luxury car - not near luxury.. Maybe not by today's standards - but in the mid 90s, there was nothing "near" luxury about it...

Leloz
10-08-04, 11:18 AM
If you are going to get something that small, I would look Japanese like a Corolla or Tercel.

Have you thought about a 9C1 Caprice? They are rock solid and plentiful at your price range.

carguy16
10-08-04, 12:16 PM
Im serious when I say $4,000.00 out the door, my mom is paying for the car, she wont even pay $4001.00 for a car. Money is tight.

I get paid weekly, for approximately a 15-16 hour work week, I got $84.00 bucks AFTER taxes. Saving money takes way to long, I need a way to get to work, I only have about $125.00 on hand...My mom is getting laid off in two weeks, she gets 2 1/2 months severence and will be looking for another job, so I could use her car to take me to work while I try and save up a little more money. But, $8,000.00 is way to much, even though I consider that a bargain for your car.

I would prefer to settle with the Fleetwood, but I dont have that many options. Not to mention, Im going to have minimum insurance coverage, so I dont want to buy an expensive car. Not that Im going to get wreck it, but they call it an accident for a reason, just like we have insurance, we dont expect it to happen but it does.

Leloz
10-08-04, 12:37 PM
Then your best bet is something fuel efficient and reliable. I highly recommend the Corolla, with a 5spd manual A 1993-1996 Model with the DX or LE package would be in your price range. Just make sure the timing belt has been changed and it will bring you plenty of headache free miles :thumbsup:

carguy16
10-08-04, 01:29 PM
Id never get a Toyota.

By the way, does the Fleetwood have a tachometer??? I dont see one, but I have read sites that say they do...

barge master
10-08-04, 04:40 PM
An Escort!!!! Boy, we're gonna have to do an intervention on you!!! Seriously,the boys are right if you want a Caddy, beat the bushes and find one. 91s and 92s are fuel injected and can be had for reasonable prices. Even a Caprice or Roadmaster is a cool car. I've got an 89 Caprice I used to drive with almost 300,000 on it and it still runs good.Best car for the dollar I ever had.

Leloz
10-08-04, 04:49 PM
The Fleetwood does not have a Tach. Sounds like you are set on this Escort deal :(

Night Wolf
10-08-04, 06:47 PM
If money is tight for you... the Fleetwood probably wouldn't be the best car..... it is a luxury car, therefor things will be more expensive, if you compare it to an econo car, you'll be paying twice as much for tires etc... maybe for where you are at right now, an Escort or Caviler would be better... not to mention much better on gas and stuff...

carguy16
10-08-04, 10:13 PM
I am very tight on money, but I dont plan on driving more then 10,000 miles a year max. The only time I'll need new tires is after I burn the rear ones up.

The '93 seems to be the best year, as far as price, reliability, and gas type, and insurance too. What could possibly break on the car??? By the way, if something like a power window goes out, that is fine, just so long as the car drives I will be fine.

I noticed though on the Fleetwood, at least the '93's, the engine bay is generous in space. I just checked autozone.com for their parts, alternator, starter, p/s pump, all under $100.00 bucks, A/C compressor w/ clutch is $150.00 , blower is about $50.00 bucks, etc...I have some good news, the school I go to has an Auto Shop, so I just buy the parts and the labor is free. Hope fully I wont have to use them.

But, my sister has spent some money on her '99 Escort, the car was bought brand new, it now has about 92,000 miles on it. Remember, misfiring cylinder, short now allowing A/C compressor to kick on, now a short in the fan switch. Not to mention, shes going to have to getting a timing belt for her car soon, the Caddy doesnt have it on there. The way I see it, the Escort is more economical, but there is a good chance anything could go wrong on either car. One is a 97(Escort) with 59k miles, the other is a 93(Fleetwood) with 108,000 miles.

But like tires guys, how often do you really need new tires anyways??? As goes for brakes.

What is a realistic fuel economy for the guy's here that drive the '93 Fleetwood? If you accelerated moderately, ran your A/C all the time, and never or RARELY ran into stop and go traffic, drove in the city at average speeds of 20-40 MPH, what would your MPG be??? Im lookin at mostly city driving, and yes of course Im putting Regular in the car.


If money is tight for you... the Fleetwood probably wouldn't be the best car..... it is a luxury car, therefor things will be more expensive, if you compare it to an econo car, you'll be paying twice as much for tires etc... maybe for where you are at right now, an Escort or Caviler would be better... not to mention much better on gas and stuff...

Adam
10-08-04, 11:10 PM
well i drive the interstate all of the time and run my AC and i get about 17 mpg. it is good on gas, i put in 30.00 bucks every week and a half. my Fleetwood is better on gas than my Lincoln which has a 4.9 liter. the Lincoln gets 16 highway and 19 city. just say f**k it and get the Caddy. oh and i just got new tires put on today.

HotRodSaint
10-10-04, 12:48 PM
MAN!!! From a Fleetwood to a Escort!

Only if it was an English Cosworth AWD would I make that choice! :thumbsup:

carguy16
10-10-04, 01:33 PM
You've been quite help ful through this. Just exactly how fast do you drive on the interstate, and how heavy is your right foot??? Im going to be expecting at least 20 mpg average, I just realized that you have those 14 inch low profile tires on your car, so it will probably affect it, more then likely negatively I want to say. Going to work is a 10 mile round trip, I will rarely be driving to school, and will be doing occassional errands. So, really I am not worried about gas too much. Come on, a 20 oz soda is a $1.09 at the grocery store, or $1.00 at a vending machine, so why should I be complaining about a gallon of gas for $1.85? I get better gas mileage then an Expedition, they get 14/20, close to what an Explorer gets. Lastly the A/C shouldnt be a drain at all for gas mileage, or power.

But, I read just replacing the oxygen sensor, your spark plugs and wires I can easily boost fuel economy.


well i drive the interstate all of the time and run my AC and i get about 17 mpg. it is good on gas, i put in 30.00 bucks every week and a half. my Fleetwood is better on gas than my Lincoln which has a 4.9 liter. the Lincoln gets 16 highway and 19 city. just say f**k it and get the Caddy. oh and i just got new tires put on today.

Azriel
10-12-04, 10:02 PM
Actually, quite the opposite, the LT1 is known to have logged over 300K without incident (just ask the others on this forum!) I ran one with 210K that ran great, just needed an accessory changed (prob alternator, getting noisy) otherwise ran great. Also, the LT1 has port injection, more powerful, AND considerably BETTER fuel economy as it burns the gas more efficiently. There is a reason the 93's always sell for less than a 94, they're less desireable. Don't get me wrong the 93 TBI is still a torquer, just has a rougher run overall, louder, warms up slow in the winter, etc. Typical carb behavior.

Good luck.


Now, lets talk reliability on the Fleetwood, how good is it? Since the 93 doesnt have the LT1, apparently thats a good thing for a gas and reliability standing. I seriously doubt having any other problems.

Adam
10-12-04, 10:12 PM
You've been quite help ful through this. Just exactly how fast do you drive on the interstate, and how heavy is your right foot??? Im going to be expecting at least 20 mpg average, I just realized that you have those 14 inch low profile tires on your car, so it will probably affect it, more then likely negatively I want to say. Going to work is a 10 mile round trip, I will rarely be driving to school, and will be doing occassional errands. So, really I am not worried about gas too much. Come on, a 20 oz soda is a $1.09 at the grocery store, or $1.00 at a vending machine, so why should I be complaining about a gallon of gas for $1.85? I get better gas mileage then an Expedition, they get 14/20, close to what an Explorer gets. Lastly the A/C shouldnt be a drain at all for gas mileage, or power.

But, I read just replacing the oxygen sensor, your spark plugs and wires I can easily boost fuel economy.


i dont have 14s, yet. my buddy does (did) and his didnt ride any different than mine. i usually do anywhere between 70 and 85 mph. depends on what my radar detector says :sneaky: . (there are no such things as low profile 14s) a round trip is about 30 miles from home to work and back home. i go to traders village on the weekends which is about 30 miles round trip (50 to 55 mph) and the bank 26 miles round trip (45 to 50 mph), the mall about 20 miles round trip (35 to 45 mph). so in an average week i drive 215 to 250 miles.

davesdeville
10-13-04, 12:20 AM
Which car would you rather get in to take you home after a long hard day?


just say f**k it and get the Caddy.

As long as you can afford the gas, that is.

Azriel
10-15-04, 06:34 PM
Hey Carguy,
I was just browsing eBay -I'm looking for the same car you are, in the same price range, interesting coincidence. Anyway, thought this looked promising for you, in Florida, a '93 FWB with 74K on it starting at $2500 no reserve. Check it out, could work out for you, lower miles, and may get a good deal on it.

I'm actually more a fan of the 90-92's but can appreciate the 93-96s, that 350 is nice.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6149&item=2494152295&rd=1

-Jon

Adam
10-15-04, 06:37 PM
it says pick up only at the bottom in Terms of Sale. unless you live in FL...

Azriel
10-15-04, 07:36 PM
That's why I mentioned it, because he's in Florida. There's another real nice '93 starting at $4000 in Miami, looks real good. Not sure what part of Florida you're in, but figured it was worth a shot.

-Jon