: Michelin Pilot Super Sports



BluMachine
03-18-11, 02:14 AM
I'm considering a set of these tires.

From Tire Rack:
Michelin PS2
Stock Front Size: 255/40-19 9.0" rim width 27.0" Diameter
Stock Rear Size: 285/35-19 9.5" rim width 26.9" Diameter

Michelin Pilot Super Sport
Front Size: 275/35-19 26.6" Diameter
Rear Size: 305/30-19 26.3" Diameter

The diameter difference front to rear are close. Will 275s fit up front w/o rub?

dvandentop
03-18-11, 09:20 PM
how much do those SS run?

aburd
03-18-11, 10:39 PM
dunno why hankoook v12's half the price. and i ran a better 1\4 mile with them with 2x treadwear

nsaness
03-18-11, 10:48 PM
PS2 are almost 2 grand :(
However, the ride and handling are second to none. Hankooks are not even in the same league (MY OPINION)

baabootoo
03-19-11, 12:04 AM
No, they will probably rub; from what I read.

ChasJr
03-19-11, 02:15 AM
They will fit no problem

Jpjr
03-19-11, 10:00 AM
PS2 are almost 2 grand :(
However, the ride and handling are second to none. Hankooks are not even in the same league (MY OPINION)

Check the reviews. From Car and Driver on down everyone has raved about the Hankooks. Basically no meaningful decrease in performance, twice the tread life, and half the price.

Between my V2 and Cobra, I'm on my 5th set of PS2s. I'm giving these Hankooks a try next on the V2. I have no issues with the performance of the PS2s.... just the tread wear. I hate replacing these tires all the time. For a daily driver, that amazing grip that the Michelin's provide goes away VERY quickly as the tread melts away. So while the PS2s look great on paper for grip, I find most times I'm stuck with a balding tire trying to eek out a few thousand more miles so I don't feel completely ripped off.

For the Cobra I'm keeping the PS2s since it's a weekend warrior.

thebigjimsho
03-19-11, 03:49 PM
I'm considering a set of these tires.

From Tire Rack:
Michelin PS2
Stock Front Size: 255/40-19 9.0" rim width 27.0" Diameter
Stock Rear Size: 285/35-19 9.5" rim width 26.9" Diameter

Michelin Pilot Super Sport
Front Size: 275/35-19 26.6" Diameter
Rear Size: 305/30-19 26.3" Diameter

The diameter difference front to rear are close. Will 275s fit up front w/o rub?
I was thinking that same setup myself. Hurry up and try it...:bouncy:

PhxTriode
03-20-11, 11:50 AM
can we fit 275's up front? I have always been concerned about changing the stagger on the car and how it will alter handling. Please share your results

PhxTriode
03-20-11, 11:52 AM
Check the reviews. From Car and Driver on down everyone has raved about the Hankooks. Basically no meaningful decrease in performance, twice the tread life, and half the price.

Between my V2 and Cobra, I'm on my 5th set of PS2s. I'm giving these Hankooks a try next on the V2. I have no issues with the performance of the PS2s.... just the tread wear. I hate replacing these tires all the time. For a daily driver, that amazing grip that the Michelin's provide goes away VERY quickly as the tread melts away. So while the PS2s look great on paper for grip, I find most times I'm stuck with a balding tire trying to eek out a few thousand more miles so I don't feel completely ripped off.

For the Cobra I'm keeping the PS2s since it's a weekend warrior.

^^^^^^^+1

I am right there right now on tread. The other down side is if you live in warm climates and DD the car they get hard before the tread goes.

DrumStix
03-20-11, 04:40 PM
Check the reviews. From Car and Driver on down everyone has raved about the Hankooks. Basically no meaningful decrease in performance, twice the tread life, and half the price.

Between my V2 and Cobra, I'm on my 5th set of PS2s. I'm giving these Hankooks a try next on the V2. I have no issues with the performance of the PS2s.... just the tread wear. I hate replacing these tires all the time. For a daily driver, that amazing grip that the Michelin's provide goes away VERY quickly as the tread melts away. So while the PS2s look great on paper for grip, I find most times I'm stuck with a balding tire trying to eek out a few thousand more miles so I don't feel completely ripped off.

For the Cobra I'm keeping the PS2s since it's a weekend warrior.

Pretty funny. I just mentioned the Hankook V12's to a couple members yesterday. I have a little tread left but will be ordering a set in the next 60 days.

BluMachine
03-20-11, 11:06 PM
They will fit no problem


No, they will probably rub; from what I read.

Less than unanamous...

Has anyone installed 275/35-19 up front and did they rub under hard cornering or tight cornering w/ steering wheel at full lock?

I'm sure the Hankooks are good tires for the cost. I walk to work and use the car mainly on the weekends. A tire that has higher treadwear will not stick as well under hard cornering. Simple physics. I'm not particularly concerned about the cost. I want a max effort tire. I'm looking at the Bridgstone RE 11 as well. They are less expensive, but the rears are on backorder right now, and the fronts are 265/35-19. I think the 275 would keep the stagger bias closer to stock and give better bite with the wider fronts.

Teutonaddict
03-21-11, 12:03 AM
A tire that has higher treadwear will not stick as well under hard cornering. Simple physics.

Not too simple, Blu? Isn't that what the fine folks at Michelin are saying about the PSS vs PS2? Higher grip AND significantly longer treadwear? Your OP prompted me to do more research on the Super Sports, and I'm intrigued. I've had PS1's and PS2's on my last three vehicles and I really love them. Don't love the price/treadwear combo, but would be willing to pay the freight should the treadwear on the PSS's be a bit better.

Now the issue for me becomes when do they become available in our OE sizes, or at least fit well on our OE wheels? I can't see the 305 working well on the 10" rears...

BTW, I justed checked tread on my original shoes (11K miles) and it's at 4-5/32 all around---except for the right rear which is at 2.5/32 (ergo, approaching the wear bars). Why would one rear wear significantly quicker than the other side? If the PSS's aren't available soon in stock sizes, I may go the Conti Extreme Contact DW's for one cycle.

b4z
03-21-11, 10:29 AM
An awesome tire is the brigestone RE11 but i dont think they are available in V sizes. You will get 20K out of them no problem, even autoxing and dragracing.

BluMachine
03-21-11, 01:12 PM
Not too simple, Blu? Isn't that what the fine folks at Michelin are saying about the PSS vs PS2? Higher grip AND significantly longer treadwear? Your OP prompted me to do more research on the Super Sports, and I'm intrigued. I've had PS1's and PS2's on my last three vehicles and I really love them. Don't love the price/treadwear combo, but would be willing to pay the freight should the treadwear on the PSS's be a bit better.

Now the issue for me becomes when do they become available in our OE sizes, or at least fit well on our OE wheels? I can't see the 305 working well on the 10" rears...

BTW, I justed checked tread on my original shoes (11K miles) and it's at 4-5/32 all around---except for the right rear which is at 2.5/32 (ergo, approaching the wear bars). Why would one rear wear significantly quicker than the other side? If the PSS's aren't available soon in stock sizes, I may go the Conti Extreme Contact DW's for one cycle.

I'm usually a little less dogmatic with my posts... it was late. Generally, a softer compound (lower treadwear) will yield better traction and cornering grip and that was the intent of my statement.

The 265/305 combo from Bridgestone Potenza RE-11 has been successfully used on stock rims by others here and are less expensive than the Michelins.

See Razorecko's thread here:
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2009/205716-305-265s-d3-springs-w-oem.html

The rear tires look like they fit the rims perfectly, and it seems the fronts could accept a bit more width, so that's why I'm leaning to 275 with the PSS. This would give +20 mm front and rear to maintain the stagger as well.

Teutonaddict
04-04-11, 01:07 PM
I'm really interested in the new PSS's after doing some research. The performance envelope has expanded overall vs. the PS2's, and treadwear is the biggest benefactor. Unfortunately, they are not yet available in our factory sizes.

While I know a few have tried an alternative fitment using RE-11's (265/35/19F and 305/30/19R), I'm not ready to deviate that much on stock 9" and 9.5" wheels.

Exploring the Michelin website, their table of available sizes does not include our factory 255/40/19 and 285/35/19. When I called Michelin customer support, the very helpful gentleman logged my request and took down my contact info, but did say that our CTS-V2 sizes were not on the May rollout calendar either (only three new sizes next month).

He did mention that others have called to request our sizes, and that info was passed along to Michelin marketing. Since our V's came factory equipped with PS2's, I'd hope they'd be early in the queue for PSS fitments.

If you're interested, you can call Michelin Customer Support and request our stock sizes. The toll-free number is: 1‑866‑866‑6605.

In the meantime, since I'm ready to replace my original rubber at 13K miles, I believe I'll give the Conti Extreme Contact DW's a shot in factory sizes.

baabootoo
04-04-11, 03:01 PM
Why not the Bridgestone RE-11s? They are rated #1 for most categories. They are offering a $100 gift card back on 4 through the end of the month. I have no qualms about going a little bigger on the fronts either, but I will stay stock size on the rear.

Umrswimr
04-04-11, 03:28 PM
The RE11 is only available in 275/285- It's pretty bit jump to go to 275's on the front (from 255).

mannyz
04-04-11, 04:10 PM
I have 265 RE11's on the front and 285s in the rear. You gotta drop down to 265/35/19 though.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Potenza+RE-11&partnum=635WR9RE11XL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

miamictsv
04-04-11, 04:15 PM
This is the latest from Bridgestone that matches our stock size tires.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Potenza+S-04+Pole+Position&frontTire=54YR9S04PPXL&rearTire=835YR9S04PP&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Cadillac&autoYear=2009&autoModel=CTS-V&autoModClar=

i would have tried these if i had not purchased new tires 2 months ago.

Teutonaddict
04-04-11, 05:16 PM
I have 265 RE11's on the front and 285s in the rear. You gotta drop down to 265/35/19 though.

Running 265/35-19 on front and 285/35-19 in back gives you a 2.1% differential between F/R. FWIW, the stock sizes produce a 0.9% F/R delta. Supposed to be under 3% to prevent ABS/ECU skittishness. Interesting...

Tuna
04-05-11, 11:15 AM
Running 265/35-19 on front and 285/35-19 in back gives you a 2.1% differential between F/R. FWIW, the stock sizes produce a 0.9% F/R delta. Supposed to be under 3% to prevent ABS/ECU skittishness. Interesting...

Where did you get this little piece of information in tire size differences?

Caddy Wagon
04-05-11, 11:28 AM
Where did you get this little piece of information in tire size differences?

Try this.

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

Tuna
04-05-11, 01:34 PM
I'm specifically interested in the last sentence: "Supposed to be under 3% to prevent ABS/ECU skittishness."

Actual tire diameter depends on who made the tire anyway. Sure, they're all close to the same diameter if they are the same listed size. When I'm looking at tire diameter, I use tirerack.com's listed diameter for the tire I'm look for.

Teutonaddict
04-05-11, 04:15 PM
I'm specifically interested in the last sentence: "Supposed to be under 3% to prevent ABS/ECU skittishness."

Actual tire diameter depends on who made the tire anyway. Sure, they're all close to the same diameter if they are the same listed size. When I'm looking at tire diameter, I use tirerack.com's listed diameter for the tire I'm look for.

That last little nugget is my accumulated 'knowledge' from reading these boards. I cannot cite the specific source, but have read it several times (so it MUST be true!). Several folks on this board have chosen to go with differentials >3% and have not reported problems, so fee free to try. Me, I'm not so brave with my critical contact patches so I'll choose to stay with stock sizes for noew.

Caddy Wagon, you're spot-on: it was the miata.net calculator that I've used for rough calcs. As for how circumference changes by brand and model, you are correct--but I'd been assuming that folks would buy the same brand/model for all four corners, thus equalizing any unique properties other than size.

CTSV4now
04-05-11, 04:19 PM
Are they discontinuing the pilot sport 2 tire?

Teutonaddict
04-05-11, 04:55 PM
Are they discontinuing the pilot sport 2 tire?

If the experience with the original PS to the PS2's was any indication, there was significant overlap (>1year+) after the intro of the PS2's. My '00 E39 M5 came with PS1's (W-tread pattern; original Viper tire) from the factory and I went through two sets before transitioning over to PS2's.

baabootoo
08-12-11, 12:25 AM
I was at MPH track in Hastings, Nebraska a few days ago. A Michelin rep was there, along with Goldberg, a Lingenfelter rep, and some others. It's now part of the Optima battery shootout circuit. He assured me that they would have sizes for our cars by next spring. He went on to say that these tires started in Europe, so they made tires for those cars first. Next up, the US cars. Unfortunately, the Lingenfelter rep wanted to bring a CTS-V, but he was "told" to bring a mild (700 HP) Corvette instead since this is a big Corvette track!

gonfishin
08-12-11, 06:01 AM
I'm really interested in the new PSS's after doing some research. The performance envelope has expanded overall vs. the PS2's, and treadwear is the biggest benefactor. Unfortunately, they are not yet available in our factory sizes.

While I know a few have tried an alternative fitment using RE-11's (265/35/19F and 305/30/19R), I'm not ready to deviate that much on stock 9" and 9.5" wheels.

Exploring the Michelin website, their table of available sizes does not include our factory 255/40/19 and 285/35/19. When I called Michelin customer support, the very helpful gentleman logged my request and took down my contact info, but did say that our CTS-V2 sizes were not on the May rollout calendar either (only three new sizes next month).

He did mention that others have called to request our sizes, and that info was passed along to Michelin marketing. Since our V's came factory equipped with PS2's, I'd hope they'd be early in the queue for PSS fitments.

If you're interested, you can call Michelin Customer Support and request our stock sizes. The toll-free number is: 1‑866‑866‑6605.

In the meantime, since I'm ready to replace my original rubber at 13K miles, I believe I'll give the Conti Extreme Contact DW's a shot in factory sizes.


I did the same thing. I liked that they are comparable, cheaper, and lighter.

Teutonaddict
08-12-11, 09:25 AM
I did the same thing. I liked that they are comparable, cheaper, and lighter.

While I was leaning toward the Conti's, Curtis, I ended up going the Bridgestone RE-11's in non-OE sizes route. I got a great deal installed, and really love their grip. Still planning to go with PSS's on my next set, however...

Teutonaddict
08-12-11, 09:26 AM
A Michelin rep was there....He assured me that they would have sizes for our cars by next spring.

That's great news! Thanks for posting up!!

Junior1
08-12-11, 01:27 PM
I personally spoke to the Michelin Rep at the V Lab @ Monticello last month about these. He was really impressed with them. Newer technology and alot of work into them. He said that during testing they were able to beat the PS2 in all categories. He was also surprised that they could get a way better wear rating as well.
I just ordered a set for my V1 at Tirerack and they were actually cheaper than PS2's which were out of stock. I also got a $70 rebate as well...

gonfishin
08-12-11, 01:59 PM
Yes it was a tough call for me as well. I opted for the lighter weight since, I rarely test the car's abilities on the street.

thebigjimsho
08-12-11, 02:03 PM
I saw this thread but missed the start date. Good thing I only started yelling and not throwing stuff. I bought Hankook evos since they were cheap as I'm anticipating PSSs sometime next year. But if I only had to wait 2 months, I would've.

Phew, crisis averted...

Trapspeed
10-14-11, 02:02 PM
Hey everyone. In case you were wondering I got this reply off Michelin today. Please tell me this aggravates you, too. Why make tires for a car this far apart??

"We are sorry but*the Pilot Super Sport in size 255/40R19 will not be available until mid 2012.* Size 285/35R19 is planned for late 2013."
*
:hmm: :helpless:

thebigjimsho
10-14-11, 02:21 PM
What


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That angers me greatly. Do you happen to know(or can find out) whether a 295/35 19 tire will come out sooner???

thebigjimsho
10-14-11, 02:22 PM
If this is the case, I think I will sell off my stockers and get some TSW Nurburgrings in 20" and get the PSSs in 20" sizes...

Tedboss1
10-14-11, 02:27 PM
For the rear I would use 305/30ZR19 PSS tires.

Thrill6
10-14-11, 08:27 PM
Michelin doesn't make the PS2 A/S for all four corners either. The make only non runflats for the front and only runflats for the rear. Dumb sh*ts.

Trapspeed
10-14-11, 08:47 PM
Tell me about it. I was scratching my head over this one all day. I'm not thrilled at all because I was really hoping these badboys would be available in 2012 (now here's a stretch....) as a SET for the V. I really hope someone from the company is paying attention.

lilred
10-14-11, 09:08 PM
Whew. I'm just psyched they are going to offer them in our size. They are going to be better and cheaper than PS2's it looks like. I've been reading about them since they came out.

EVIL_C5
10-14-11, 10:16 PM
I have the 255/35/19 and 305/30/19 PSS's on my car with eibach coupe springs and it looks very aggressive.

The PSS's have a nice ride and are pretty grippy.

tedcmiller
10-14-11, 10:43 PM
The 285/35ZR19 (the current CTS-V rear tire) is already available in ZP through Michelin. This tire size is the same as the front tire of the current ZR1 Corvette. If Michelin make the 255/40ZR19 in a ZP then we will have all four corners of the CTS-V covered in ZP. Hallalua!

thebigjimsho
10-15-11, 01:46 PM
That may not be a bad thing. But I'd like to know if that affects comfort much...

aj660
10-15-11, 09:27 PM
Whew. I'm just psyched they are going to offer them in our size. They are going to be better and cheaper than PS2's it looks like. I've been reading about them since they came out.

Me too, but having to wait 2 years is ridiculous.

mberisha
10-16-11, 06:49 PM
Me too, but having to wait 2 years is ridiculous.

Thats them Frenchies for ya'!