: No Cadillacs .... What would you drive?



orconn
03-10-11, 04:44 PM
Suppose Cadillacs were absent from the marketplace, what car would myou choose to drive instead?

Playdrv4me
03-10-11, 05:09 PM
Lexuses, older BMWs, some older Mercs (almost got a 2002 CL500 with 28k but someone else got to it first), and Jaguars.

hueterm
03-10-11, 05:34 PM
Lincoln Navigator
Lexus LS

ben.gators
03-10-11, 05:36 PM
1- Well, in the absence of Cadillac, Buick is going to be the natural alternative and replacement.
2- BMW, I know there have been a lot of discussions against BMW in this forum, but I really like to own a BMW.... The reasons return back to my childhood... My cousin had a BMW 518 when I was a kid, and I always loved his car and always liked to own a car like it...
3- MB if it comes with bumper to bumper warranty....
4- Audi if it comes with bumper to bumper warranty...
5- Camaro or Mustang are hot cars and I don't mind owning one of them as a second or third car, but not as my main car!

ryannel2003
03-10-11, 06:37 PM
2004-2008 Acura TL
2010+ Buick LaCrosse
2008+ Jaguar XF
Lincoln LS
1998-2004 Lexus GS400/430
E46 BMW 3-series
E39 BMW 5-series

cadillac kevin
03-10-11, 07:46 PM
hmm- no cadillacs
I'd go for-
(old cars)
rwd olds 98 (loaded of course)
electra/ park avenue / lesabre
73 grand am

(new cars)
does buick make anything rwd anymore? if not, I guess no buick for me.
chrysler 300C
camaro
challenger
charger (maybe- not sure if I like the scallops yet)

Playdrv4me
03-10-11, 07:49 PM
Lincoln Navigator

The '05s and '06s are a bargain. Half the price of an Escalade, about as good looking, and with most of the same features.

ben.gators
03-10-11, 08:00 PM
^
In our area Lincoln Navigator is priced the same as Escalade.... and sometimes a bit higher! That is strange

Submariner409
03-10-11, 08:04 PM
Find a really nice Jaguar, either coupe or sedan, and swap in a complete Chevy 327/350 drivetrain with a 4-speed auto.

I wouldn't be caught dead in an Escalator or Navislug - the F150 does just fine for hauling mulch and firewood..:sneaky: (Besides - nowadays you can't afford the gas to drive to the local post office.)

orconn
03-10-11, 08:06 PM
As of today, I quess I'd have to bite the bullet and go with eith an XJ8 or an Xk8 depending on my mood at the time. I'd definitely want to get one with a warranty.

Whe Alfa Romeo returns to these shores I'll definitely be headed down to their showroom!

I don't trust the erman brands to not try to weasel out of their warranties. Also except for the very expensive ones, German cars are really not all that much fun to drive. They only somewhat better than Japanese cars.

77CDV
03-10-11, 08:51 PM
Hyundai Genesis or Lexus LS. Poor substitutes for the real thing, but then again, Cadillac isn't really building Cadillacs of late, either.

Jesda
03-10-11, 09:04 PM
Oh, that's easy. There's a whole mess of Jags, BMW, Lincolns, Saabs, and Mazdas I'd be driving right now if I didn't have the Seville. More specifically, it would be a Lincoln LS, Saab 9-3, Mazda Miata, Jaguar XK convertible, or BMW E39 5-series.

If we're talking new cars I can't afford and wouldn't buy anyway, it would be a Chrysler 300 or Jaguar XK, maybe an XF. The XF has grown on me.

Playdrv4me
03-10-11, 10:29 PM
Find a really nice Jaguar, either coupe or sedan, and swap in a complete Chevy 327/350 drivetrain with a 4-speed auto.

I wouldn't be caught dead in an Escalator or Navislug - the F150 does just fine for hauling mulch and firewood..:sneaky: (Besides - nowadays you can't afford the gas to drive to the local post office.)

Gas is only 3.33 a gallon here still (it's actually down a few cents today strangely), and the Escalade gets 14mpg. It would have to hit 4.50 before I'd drive even slightly less. Best part is that the higher it climbs, the harder it falls at the end of the year.

As for the Jag, the modern Jag engines wipe the floor with an SBC, unless we're talking vintage or the horrific stuff from the '80s.

Playdrv4me
03-10-11, 10:35 PM
Oh, that's easy. There's a whole mess of Jags, BMW, Lincolns, Saabs, and Mazdas I'd be driving right now if I didn't have the Seville. More specifically, it would be a Lincoln LS, Saab 9-3, Mazda Miata, Jaguar XK convertible, or BMW E39 5-series.

If we're talking new cars I can't afford and wouldn't buy anyway, it would be a Chrysler 300 or Jaguar XK, maybe an XF. The XF has grown on me.

I was reading the full size version of the article you posted in this month's MT, and I have to say, that Chrysler 300 is the bargain of the decade fully decked out at 40k. I thought the Genesis was impressive, but the updates to the 300 completely redefine that segment. 40 grand BARELY buys you a DTS.

Sevillian273
03-10-11, 10:44 PM
I'd drive a Cimmarron.

Aron9000
03-10-11, 11:45 PM
For cars I could actually afford:
94-96 Impala SS
89-90 Caprice Classic Brougham for a boxy 70's/80's machine
Mazda Miata
Full size 4wd Chevy truck(96-98, with the high horsepower Vortec 350)
LS1 Camaro or a Trans Am

For new cars I'd have no business owing:
Chrysler 300C
Dodge Charger
Dodge Challenger- really love the styling
Jaguar XK
Audi S5, S6, S8
Diesel Chevy or Dodge truck
E39 M5- Dream car of mine

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-11-11, 10:44 PM
A Buick Regal GS.

To answer the O/P:

Daily drivers (in a real world)
Buick Park Avenue Ultra
1997-99 Buick Riviera
1997-03 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP.
1995-97 Lincoln Town Car
1995-02 Lincoln Continental
1993-98 Lincoln Mark VIII
1992-96 Buick Roadmaster
1997-03 Nissan Maxima GLE
Mercury Marauder
1999-00 GMC Yukon Denali
1998-02 Honda Accord EX-V6 Coupe
Infiniti I35


(if I was rich)
Another W140 S Class
1998-02 Audi A8
E38 740iL
1990-96 Infiniti Q45
1995-00 Lexus LS400
1997-02 Jaguar XJ8
Volkswagen Phaeton
Volvo S80

thebigjimsho
03-12-11, 09:20 PM
BMW M5.

Used, unfortunately...

Playdrv4me
03-12-11, 11:20 PM
A Buick Regal GS.

To answer the O/P:

Daily drivers (in a real world)
Buick Park Avenue Ultra
1997-99 Buick Riviera
1997-03 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP.
1995-97 Lincoln Town Car
1995-02 Lincoln Continental
1993-98 Lincoln Mark VIII
1992-96 Buick Roadmaster
1997-03 Nissan Maxima GLE
Mercury Marauder
1999-00 GMC Yukon Denali
1998-02 Honda Accord EX-V6 Coupe
Infiniti I35


(if I was rich)
Another W140 S Class
1998-02 Audi A8
E38 740iL
1990-96 Infiniti Q45
1995-00 Lexus LS400
1997-02 Jaguar XJ8
Volkswagen Phaeton
Volvo S80

Why is the LS400 in the "rich" pile?

gdwriter
03-13-11, 04:07 AM
I really like the looks of the new Buick Regal, but I'm not sure if I'd be happy with a 4-banger, even with a turbo. I might also consider a BMW 3-Series or an Audi A4, but I'm still leery of maintenance/repair costs on European cars. Honda and Acura have pretty much fuglied their entire lineup, Nissan has gone all CVT and I'd rather drive my dishwasher than a souless Toyota or Lexus. Maybe a Mazda 6.

Playdrv4me
03-13-11, 04:15 AM
I really like the looks of the new Buick Regal, but I'm not sure if I'd be happy with a 4-banger, even with a turbo. I might also consider a BMW 3-Series or an Audi A4, but I'm still leery of maintenance/repair costs on European cars. Honda and Acura have pretty much fuglied their entire lineup, Nissan has gone all CVT and I'd rather drive my dishwasher than a souless Toyota or Lexus. Maybe a Mazda 6.

E46 3 Series are pretty bulletproof little cars. Just a tad on the small side. Can't speak to Audis, they kind of scare me too.

DouglasJRizzo
03-13-11, 10:08 AM
Hands down, if there were no Cadillacs, it'd be Lincoln, or Thunderbird.

Lupin
03-13-11, 10:31 AM
I'd just ride my motorcycle.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-13-11, 11:50 AM
Why is the LS400 in the "rich" pile?

Lexus maintenance costs, not to mention that an LS400 isn't a cheap car to get into.

hueterm
03-13-11, 12:09 PM
The last gen with somewhat reasonable miles (less than 100) you could probably get for 10 give or take...

Playdrv4me
03-13-11, 07:27 PM
Lexus maintenance costs, not to mention that an LS400 isn't a cheap car to get into.

The maintenance isnt bad, you just have to know where to do it. For example, the Lexus dealer charges aaround 1200.00 for the 90k timing belt service, but I've had Toyota dealers offer to do it for as little as 600. On top of that, higher maintenance costs can generally be absorbed when you're doing them far less often on something less likely to break.

hueterm
03-13-11, 07:32 PM
I think that a '98-00 LS400 and/or a '96-97 LX450 or Land Cruiser would be the only "older" used cars (not classics/collectibles) that I'd consider at this point as drivers.

ryannel2003
03-13-11, 11:01 PM
I would think an LS400 would be much cheaper to maintain than a Seville STS of the same era. Especially when it comes time to the suspension arena... speaking of which I need 2 new air shocks for the rear. Cheapest active solution is $400 a pop... so yeah, the LS can't be that bad.

Jesda
03-13-11, 11:15 PM
A neglected LS400 is a money pit, which is what some of the 90s LSs are becoming. But, a well-maintained LS400 will likely stay in good working order for 300k, unlike a Seville which can break despite the owner's diligence.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-13-11, 11:35 PM
Here's what I think of Lexus LS400's in general: Overall, they're far easier to own and more reliable/durable than it's competitors, but being as though it's a Lexus, it's the most expensive car of it's sort to get into. But I'd be willing to bet that they're much easier to service than any of their European counterparts.

Destroyer
03-13-11, 11:36 PM
Suppose Cadillacs were absent from the marketplace, what car would myou choose to drive instead?I live like they are absent from the marketplace and I drive:

'05 Dodge Daytona RAM quad cab
'03 Jaguar XJ8
'02 Ford E250 extended van (black)
'01 Ford Escort ZX2
'67 Olds Cutlass convertible

:yup::yup:

CollinM
03-15-11, 08:59 AM
Hey,
JaguarXF I guess. Really beautiful car.
But I want Cadillac for now ;)

Submariner409
03-15-11, 10:16 AM
I'd kind of like to do a Prius with a Rolls Royce Merlin V-12 swap. Maybe a set of 22's.

Koooop
03-16-11, 01:53 AM
G8, GTO, Corvette, Maserati Quattroporte, Panamera, SRT8, SRT10, CLS63, G55, M3, M5, M6, Ducati, MT Agusta, EVO, WRX STI, supercharged Jag.

It's a candy store out there! It would be hard to choose.

astatemade
03-19-11, 03:29 PM
Lincoln