: E15 Fuel



Ranger
03-06-11, 10:12 PM
Now NASCAR is using it.

Stingroo
03-06-11, 10:33 PM
Yeah, that pisses me off. I don't want to get into that one.

ThumperPup
03-06-11, 10:45 PM
what the heck
i was just having a heated convo with dad over gas prices and how it seems they have goen up because of the stuff going on in what ever 3rd world country that is thats having all this stuff going on id ont really pay mouch atention untill i need to

so not sure were it is cyro ?
or something els lol
but where ever it is
we only get like 6% percent of the USA Oil from them so why the heck should our gas prices be up so dang mouch

right now the rental is on E and im only adding gas when i have to go out
id rather return it on E
then fill it up

i got a good rate they gave me 2.75 a gallon if i return it with less gas than i had in it when taking posesion and only charge me up to the point where gas is when i left

yeah i know im the last one who should be running a tank dry after what just happend to me but you know its a rental and
we all know rentals get run threw the ringger at some point weather its being run dry or being raced around and turn up

doesnt matter its a rental

atleast thats how i feel

i know im not doing anyting not leagle just by running it till the gas light comes on and even 30 or 40 miles after that i dont care if i run out of gas i just call them up and say hey i ran out of gas you need to bring me more and they will

but anyways back on topic to hear that nascar is running E15 WTF

gary88
03-06-11, 11:49 PM
I am sick of corn.

Stingroo
03-07-11, 12:07 AM
I am sick of corn.

Doesn't work with your car, doesn't work with your p00p. What's the use?

ThumperPup
03-07-11, 12:33 AM
Doesn't work with your car, doesn't work with your p00p. What's the use?


Gov needs to stop subsidizing corn and start subsidizing Local Oil Drillers lol wells and rigs and what ever els
you know i use to be for the environment but i know better now there is no way we can ever clean it up
so lets just freaking pollute more who cars drill for oil here come on dang environmentalist what do we got to do start paying 20 dollars a gallon for you to realize you are suffering also lol

Jesda
03-07-11, 10:18 AM
Maybe we can feed E15 to the cows.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-07-11, 10:23 AM
As many of you know, I hate vegetables. The flavor, the texture, the sound they make when you eat them, etc, but I've always liked eating corn. However, corn has no place in our fuel. The government needs to stop subsidizing corn and start subsidizing oil drilling in the US. Watch gas prices go down and consumer confidence and happiness go up.

dkozloski
03-07-11, 10:32 AM
We were the center of a big fight with the EPA some years ago about the use of MBTE to improve local air quality. In cold weather there were levels of MBTE in the air close to busy intersections that approached being toxic. We won the big lawsuit so nobody from the EPA has had the nerve to suggest the use of oxygenating additives around here since. One local distributor on his own tried selling fuel with 10% alcohol but after the first cold snap and a huge seige of cars stalled alongside the road he thought better of it. No alcohol in local fuels and none in the forseeable future. The same cannot be said about local drivers.

Ranger
03-07-11, 11:54 AM
I'm amazed that NASCAR bought into it.

Stingroo
03-07-11, 11:55 AM
I'm not. They probably got paid for it, big time.

Ranger
03-07-11, 11:58 AM
Oh I'm sure that there is more to it than we will ever know.

Stingroo
03-07-11, 11:59 AM
It's still horse shit.

However, one positive thing has come out of this week, NASCAR wise.

Kyle Busch crashed. :woohoo:

gary88
03-07-11, 12:06 PM
E10 is being rejected in Germany.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/free-market-soundly-rejects-ethanol-in-germany.html

I wish we had a choice in this matter.

ThumperPup
03-07-11, 12:08 PM
As many of you know, I hate vegetables. The flavor, the texture, the sound they make when you eat them, etc, but I've always liked eating corn. However, corn has no place in our fuel. The government needs to stop subsidizing corn and start subsidizing oil drilling in the US. Watch gas prices go down and consumer confidence and happiness go up.



Just what i said 2 posts above yours
goverment is stupid at times

ThumperPup
03-07-11, 12:14 PM
E10 is being rejected in Germany.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/free-market-soundly-rejects-ethanol-in-germany.html

I wish we had a choice in this matter.


Hey N-Caddy if you are reading this
are you sure you want to take your sts to germany ?
chances are when you get there you will be forced to buy E-15 dammmmmm

Submariner409
03-07-11, 01:01 PM
chances are when you get there you will be forced to buy E-15

I believe the posted article said that Germany has rejected ANY addition of Ethanol to gasoline.

Obviously, Germany does not have an organized Big Corn lobby to pull the blinders over politicians and the EPA's eyes.

"NASCAR uses E15". Two drops of E15 in a race car's fuel allotment for a 500 qualifies that statement.

ThumperPup
03-07-11, 01:22 PM
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I believe the posted article said that Germany has rejected ANY addition of Ethanol to gasoline..



ah ok guess i miss read that sorry for that thansk for the help on that one

Sevillian273
03-07-11, 08:40 PM
Might as well do away with restrictor plates. We all know that as the 'E' goes up, stored energy per drop goes down...

Ethanol is for drinking :alchi:

Cheers.

EChas3
03-07-11, 09:55 PM
E15 sucks 50% more than E10.

Not only is it bad for our cars and the environment, it drives up food prices and taxes. It's the perfect wacko leftist cause! (Because it gives them more power while weakening everyone else.)

NASCAR will do absolutely anything for money. I didn't mind that they single-handedly kept tobacco advertising on TV. But ever since Brian France has taken control, he has systematically ruined one of my favorite things. He is just as ignorant and arrogant as all the rest.

Ranger
03-07-11, 10:18 PM
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I believe the posted article said that Germany has rejected ANY addition of Ethanol to gasoline.

Obviously, Germany does not have an organized Big Corn lobby to pull the blinders over politicians and the EPA's eyes.

"NASCAR uses E15". Two drops of E15 in a race car's fuel allotment for a 500 qualifies that statement.

Well, that was MY statement. In watching the race on Sunday I was under the impression that they where running 15% ethanol in the tanks. I could well be wrong OR they could be being a little deceptive as per your statement to lead us to think that they are endorsing this shit.

C&C
03-08-11, 05:43 AM
NASCAR does use the 15% stated, but for racing, it works quite well (except for miles per gallon as we all know). Ethanol has a higher octane per unit, and since these engines only run one weekend (before being torn down for rebuild) non of the long term damage has any chance of occuring.

As proposed the 15% ethanol will be added (at least initially) as a separate pump so the choice will still be yours (though the alternative is 10%). It will be interesting if the new stuff will carrry a lower price (it would have to for anyone who knew the difference) to use it.

It is going to be interesting in the next year or two to see what shakes out for our motoring fuel; will diesel make any headway, how far will gas prices go up (and stay), will the 15% replace 10%, and will any oil company step up and include an ethanol treatment for their fuels (right at the pump).

Ranger
03-08-11, 12:03 PM
NASCAR does use the 15% stated, but for racing, it works quite well (except for miles per gallon as we all know).
That has already reared it's ugly head. Crew chiefs where trying to calculate mileage with E15 and one guy (I forget who) ran out of fuel just before he got to pit road and had to coast in.


As proposed the 15% ethanol will be added (at least initially) as a separate pump so the choice will still be yours.
I'm betting that won't last long. The corn lobby will see to it that it replaces E10 before long.

johnny kannapo
03-08-11, 01:47 PM
It works great in 22 to 1 comp. ratio race engines that run 140 octane fuel. Its just a trend. I feel bad for the farmers that will take the hit soon.

If NASCAR starts promoting Sharia law -then we got a problem.

billc83
03-08-11, 02:17 PM
Didn't the House just vote down E15 a while ago? (Sorry, I haven't been keeping up on current events as well as I should)

johnny kannapo
03-08-11, 03:03 PM
I'm sure NASCAR pocketed millions of Green stimulus dollars to move forward on this.

A $150,000 NASCAR engine has a lifespan if about 1000 miles.

dkozloski
03-09-11, 02:21 PM
That has already reared it's ugly head. Crew chiefs where trying to calculate mileage with E15 and one guy (I forget who) ran out of fuel just before he got to pit road and had to coast in.


I'm betting that won't last long. The corn lobby will see to it that it replaces E10 before long.
Greg Biffle ran out of gas but it had more to do with the new fueling cans than gas milage.

dkozloski
03-09-11, 02:23 PM
It works great in 22 to 1 comp. ratio race engines that run 140 octane fuel. Its just a trend. I feel bad for the farmers that will take the hit soon.

If NASCAR starts promoting Sharia law -then we got a problem.

22:1 compression went away in Nascar many years ago, even at that it was only that high in plate motors. Now the limit is about half that.