: Hitch instll on CTS-V, do you have to cut the fascia?



munsonbw
01-30-11, 02:12 PM
I have been doing some research on the forums here and can't really find a definitive answer. If you have installed one of the hitches available (or know someone who has) can you comment on if the fascia/bumper needed to be cut and what brand it was? Also, how high is the receiver itself? I also would like to use my hitch mounted bike rack, but it might gab the ground if the receiver is too low.

I am surprised at how polarizing the concept of a hitch on a V is. I really need the ability to tow a 4x8 trailer with the odd tree or bag of mulch for the home improvement projects. I would rather not buy an SUV over the V and at the weight I am talking I have no concerns over its ability. I am just pissed that the wife's 530 wagon doesn't get a tow rating in the USA. That would have been ideal.

Thanks,
Ben

Andringa
01-30-11, 02:49 PM
You can install a hitch on the CTS-V and you do not have to modify the rear bumper to use it. Most installs end up with the receiver just below the spare wheel well I don't believe that ground clearance would be a major concern. Because there is no good way to mount a hitch on the V most of the hitches seem to suggest a limit of 1000 - 1500lbs.

There is a video of an install linked in this thread.
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/2004-2007-cadillac-cts-v-general/172179-tow-bar-option.html

repenttokyo
01-30-11, 03:33 PM
i really, really wish i could tow my track miata with my V. it looks like i'm going to have to buy a tow vehicle this summer, which sucks because I just don't have the space for one.

munsonbw
01-30-11, 06:24 PM
Thanks for the confirmation, Andringa. I did see that video, but noticed it was for the CTS. I assumed the chassis and subframe were the same, but was not sure if the rear bumper had a lower valance or not. Good to know. The most I would ever tow with the V would be ~700#... my Triumph Scrambler on a small trailer. The mounting of the hitch is not that different than my Pontiac Aztek, which is rated to 3500#. It is surprising how strong those unibodies are when the steel is layered and reinforced.

rjoffe
01-31-11, 10:17 AM
Save the poor V:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NO-RESERVE-CHEVY-S-10-REG-CAB-4CYLINDER-MANUAL-TRANS-/220732106836?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3364a8a854#ht_993wt_1167

repenttokyo
01-31-11, 03:23 PM
Save the poor V:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NO-RESERVE-CHEVY-S-10-REG-CAB-4CYLINDER-MANUAL-TRANS-/220732106836?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3364a8a854#ht_993wt_1167

i can't tow my track car with that.

lollygagger8
01-31-11, 03:31 PM
Towing with a V....??! Wow :nono:

V-Guy
01-31-11, 05:58 PM
Towing with a V....??! Wow :nono:

Agreed. Just say no.

munsonbw
01-31-11, 06:25 PM
Towing with a V....??! Wow :nono:

Why not? Just because it has a special badge and a big motor doesn't mean it is too special to be multi-purpose. Come on here, I'm not talking about towing 3000#s. The car is rated to tow 1000# and that is well within the limits of what I need for this to be my do all car. I understand some people consider these cars to be their babies. I see it as a fun, fast car that can do everything I need it to. The alternative for me is Porsche Cayenne S. Certainly will fit the bill, but why sacrifice fuel economy and speed for the once every 2 months towing? If I could afford a Ferrari and it had a 1000# tow rating I would use it to tow just the same. Its not a big deal.

V-Guy
01-31-11, 06:35 PM
Why not? Just because it has a special badge and a big motor doesn't mean it is too special to be multi-purpose. Come on here, I'm not talking about towing 3000#s. The car is rated to tow 1000# and that is well within the limits of what I need for this to be my do all car. I understand some people consider these cars to be their babies. I see it as a fun, fast car that can do everything I need it to. The alternative for me is Porsche Cayenne S. Certainly will fit the bill, but why sacrifice fuel economy and speed for the once every 2 months towing? If I could afford a Ferrari and it had a 1000# tow rating I would use it to tow just the same. Its not a big deal.

You are absolutely right and you shouldn't receive any criticism for adding a hitch to your V. It's your car and you should do whatever you'd like with it. I think the only reason that people have an initial negative reaction is that it just seems inapposite to take a suspension that was tuned on the Nürburgring and start treating it like a pickup truck. BUT, to your point, I don't know of any evidence out there that indicates that you'll do any damage to your car.

lilgCTS-V
01-31-11, 11:06 PM
us ls2 guys must utilize this hahaha

munsonbw
02-01-11, 07:53 AM
You are absolutely right and you shouldn't receive any criticism for adding a hitch to your V. It's your car and you should do whatever you'd like with it. I think the only reason that people have an initial negative reaction is that it just seems inapposite to take a suspension that was tuned on the Nürburgring and start treating it like a pickup truck. BUT, to your point, I don't know of any evidence out there that indicates that you'll do any damage to your car.

If the hitch permanently altered the handling, I would understand that argument. My big dilemma in choosing a new car was that it must have some tow rating. I know there are tons of people that tow more than they should with cars and even tow with cars that are not rated to do so. With our lawsuit happy country there is no way I am going to jeopardize my family's well being by towing with a car not approved to do so (should an accident happen). My research has shown the CTS-V is rated for 1000#. If I have misread this please let me know, but if GM says it is OK I would be inclined to believe it will not permanently damage the car.

Believe me, if I had room for a pickup truck I would have one. I am a bit overstocked on toy cars (911 and lotus 7 clone) and parking a crappy truck on the street is not going to get wife approval.

V-Guy
02-01-11, 08:08 AM
Multiple post.

V-Guy
02-01-11, 08:10 AM
If the hitch permanently altered the handling, I would understand that argument. My big dilemma in choosing a new car was that it must have some tow rating. I know there are tons of people that tow more than they should with cars and even tow with cars that are not rated to do so. With our lawsuit happy country there is no way I am going to jeopardize my family's well being by towing with a car not approved to do so (should an accident happen). My research has shown the CTS-V is rated for 1000#. If I have misread this please let me know, but if GM says it is OK I would be inclined to believe it will not permanently damage the car.

Believe me, if I had room for a pickup truck I would have one. I am a bit overstocked on toy cars (911 and lotus 7 clone) and parking a crappy truck on the street is not going to get wife approval.

I am actually in a similar situation (minus the wife). I have a boat and a 18' motorcycle trailer that I use to haul two Harleys. Obviously I'm not going to tow either of those with the V. My lease on a Denali ended in October and GMC wanted way too much money for me to buy it, so I just turned it in. Now I have until spring to find an appropriate vehicle to tow my gear. And of course, in my first winter in a decade without a 4-wheel drive vehicle, we're seeing record snows in the Midwest.

lollygagger8
02-01-11, 10:12 AM
us ls2 guys must utilize this hahaha

Hahahaha

Cooly0
04-11-11, 12:19 PM
I am a bit concerned looking at the hitch design. It does not appear to have any horizontal supports? I have been pulling a 14' motorcycle trailer, 400lb bike + supplies (10 gal gass, bike stands, extra tire sets, etc..)

Won't the leverage applied to the hitch, start ripping it apart( I imagine stop and go, being the most destructive). I have yet to recieve the hitch...

JimmyH
04-11-11, 01:05 PM
If you mount a receiver to the frame, it could easily handle over 2000 lbs. It's the transmission that won't.

kevm14
04-11-11, 09:16 PM
I don't believe the V is rated to tow a single pound. I think the manual says so.

JimmyH
04-12-11, 09:14 AM
I don't think I would risk it. not with this drivetrain.

liqidvenom
04-12-11, 10:23 AM
Towing with a V....??! Wow :nono:

funny because at the last track even i saw a 911 gt3, 911tt, z06 and a shelby all towing their spares and tools behind them. Actually the fastest car of the day was the shelby and it had the largest trailer.

that being said, everything in our drivetrain makes me nervous just dragging the car around, lord knows it wont like dragging anything else. but who knows.

RADEoN
04-12-11, 10:25 AM
hmm, use the 4 door sports car, or the 4 door sport SUV

it is a MYSTERY.

Andringa
04-12-11, 10:44 AM
If there was a hitch that could disconnect quickly so that it can't be seen I would mount one on the V. I would like to use it for a bike rack and rarely a small trailer.

You guys talking about the drive train not handling it make me laugh. How is 500-1000 pounds going to affect the transmission/diff any differently if it is in the car or behind it? If I have 4 adults in the car and luggage in the trunk that could easily be 500-1000lbs. Unless you are scared to have passengers in your car, you probably shouldn't be scared of a small trailer.

To me, the worst part is how the hitch kits mount to the trunk floor, since there isn't a frame to bolt to back there.

shadybx7
04-12-11, 11:26 AM
funny because at the last track even i saw a 911 gt3, 911tt, z06 and a shelby all towing their spares and tools behind them. Actually the fastest car of the day was the shelby and it had the largest trailer.

that being said, everything in our drivetrain makes me nervous just dragging the car around, lord knows it wont like dragging anything else. but who knows.

Doesnt matter Will.. still loooks LAME... towing wit a sports car or even having a hidden hitch on a sports sedan

JimmyH
04-12-11, 12:20 PM
I am not saying you shouldn't tow a trailer. I am saying I wouldn't.
I have no doubt the chassis and suspension can handle it. My biggest worry is the transmission. Going WFO on the throttle is just a short burst. It's not like you are doing it for hundreds of miles. When you are towing, there is prolonged, constant strain on the gears from all the excess weight. That is what worries me.

liqidvenom
04-12-11, 12:49 PM
Doesnt matter Will.. still loooks LAME... towing wit a sports car or even having a hidden hitch on a sports sedan

i think its cool and shows how versatile and durable the vehicle is. Nothing to me more pathetic then seeing a street capable sports car being babied yet abused on a track.

Cooly0
04-18-11, 06:10 PM
+1 to Andringa's comment for my question.
"To me, the worst part is how the hitch kits mount to the trunk floor, since there isn't a frame to bolt to back there. "

Koooop
04-19-11, 01:36 AM
I was hoping someone that's been using a V for towing would speak up. I trying to choose between putting a hitch on the V or the wifes Minivan. I just wanna tow 2 Sea Doo's, probably 1,250 lbs total with trailer, gas and all the BS that goes with.

Cooly0
04-19-11, 10:42 AM
Well, mine was just delivered yesterday. But don't need it until later May

Dan_Gurney
04-19-11, 10:00 PM
I was hoping someone that's been using a V for towing would speak up. I trying to choose between putting a hitch on the V or the wifes Minivan. I just wanna tow 2 Sea Doo's, probably 1,250 lbs total with trailer, gas and all the BS that goes with.

My dad used to do this with his 88 mustang GT, used to have fun still racing people with it in tow...

mberisha
04-20-11, 05:41 AM
You should tow an M3 behind the V....now that....that would be funny....

And then you can say "....I was in a hurry to get this Beemer to the race track to beat it...".....hahahah....

JimmyH
04-20-11, 11:35 AM
"look what someone was throwing away"