: Is it just me?



RippyPartsDept
01-21-11, 08:39 AM
(this may have been talked about before... apologies in advance if that is the case)

Is it just me or is the new Ford Focus 2012 Electric have the same grille as an Aston Martin?

http://www.autocarsreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/99_Aston_Martin_DB9_Volante0.jpghttp://autocarsnews.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/2012-Ford-Focus-Electric-Picture.jpg

Weird thing is that Ford doesn't own Aston Martin anymore...

Stingroo
01-21-11, 08:57 AM
Ford rips off their grills... Chrysler rips off their logo. Not a good year to be Aston Martin. :lol:

RippyPartsDept
01-21-11, 09:02 AM
YUP :histeric:

Submariner409
01-21-11, 10:42 AM
Ever notice how the rear quarter sections of some Japanese cars cause you to do a double-take to make sure it isn't a Mercedes ?

RippyPartsDept
01-21-11, 01:49 PM
actually not really.. to tell you the truth.. but i think i know what you mean

ben.gators
01-21-11, 02:00 PM
Yes, it has, and it seems like Ford likes to copy from others..... Another example is Ford Fusion.... Fusion looks like to a CTS or STS when you see it from a long distance

Jesda
01-21-11, 02:09 PM
Range Rover --> Flex
DB9 --> Focus

I dont think Ford has adopted any Jaguar styling though.

orconn
01-21-11, 03:03 PM
Range Rover --> Flex
DB9 --> Focus

I dont think Ford has adopted any Jaguar styling though.

No, it was Buick that copied Jaguar themes in their 1990's cars!

As far as Ford copying, why would they copy Jagaur whent the y can copy Aston. No problem, they paid for the design of both makes models on several occasions.

Playdrv4me
01-21-11, 09:03 PM
Ever notice how the rear quarter sections of some Japanese cars cause you to do a double-take to make sure it isn't a Mercedes ?

The LS430 was such a shameless copy of the W140 S Class that you don't even have to look at it from the rear, it's evident from ANY angle!

Destroyer
01-21-11, 11:02 PM
The LS430 was such a shameless copy of the W140 S Class that you don't even have to look at it from the rear, it's evident from ANY angle!That is the reason I like the LS430 as much as I do. I thought the exact same thing. It'll never size up to a W140 being a carbon copy but being more reliable means a lot and is the reason I'd buy one. :cool2:

Aron9000
01-22-11, 01:08 AM
Definetly an Aston grill there on the Ford.



Ever notice how the rear quarter sections of some Japanese cars cause you to do a double-take to make sure it isn't a Mercedes ?

2000 Avalon
http://images02.olx.com/ui/4/13/78/64700578_2-2000-Toyota-Avalon-Apollo.jpg

2000 S-class
http://www.carsinamerica.net/mercedes-benz/2000-S-Class-rear.jpg

So who was Mercedes copying with its 2003 E-class?

http://www.familycar.com/roadtests/mercedese-class/Images-E500/LeftRear.jpg

Also, that 2nd gen Toyota Avalon reminds me a lot of the Benz W140 since they both have that same slab sided look about them.

Jesda
01-22-11, 10:20 AM
The LS430 was such a shameless copy of the W140 S Class

...with down syndrome. In exchange for the dumpy face, God blessed it by being mostly disease-free.

blue07cts
01-22-11, 11:50 AM
...with down syndrome. In exchange for the dumpy face, god blessed it by being mostly disease-free.



lol!

EChas3
01-22-11, 06:51 PM
Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

Everybody copies everybody else. Most really original designs fail. How many Tuckers were built?

Playdrv4me
01-23-11, 02:54 AM
...with down syndrome. In exchange for the dumpy face, God blessed it by being mostly disease-free.

I'd agree with this on the especially wide-eyed Japanese looking 2001-'03 version, but the 2004-'06 is actually far better looking than even the W140 itself. Nevertheless, a copy is a copy.

Jesda
01-23-11, 10:27 AM
the 2004-'06 is actually far better looking than even the W140 itself.

I LOL'd

You make it sound as if it was given a total reskin. A bit of chrome here, a modified headlight there -- it all still adds up to a rolling refrigerator. The problem is that the whole car is tall and awkward with no idea what its identity is. The LS400 was about Japanese subtlety and finesse while the LS430 can't tell whether its an Acura RL, Deville, or 90s S-class.

The LS430's awkward shape has one major advantage: head room. If I was a basketball player, its the only sedan I'd consider.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-23-11, 12:16 PM
The LS430 is way too tall, and nowhere near as handsome as the W140, which wasn't as handsome overall as the W126. Interesting to note that the original LS400 was modeled after the W126, but it had it's own, subtle and handsome look, and wasn't as much of a knock off as the LS430 was.

Like we've discussed before here, the LS430 doesn't look as good as the W140 (sorry Ian), but it's a lot more reliable and much less of a headache. Lots of W140 owners went to the LS430 after they got fed up with their cars, but I wouldn't. I'm glad I owned the original and never sold out. :D

Playdrv4me
01-23-11, 04:37 PM
I LOL'd

You make it sound as if it was given a total reskin. A bit of chrome here, a modified headlight there -- it all still adds up to a rolling refrigerator. The problem is that the whole car is tall and awkward with no idea what its identity is. The LS400 was about Japanese subtlety and finesse while the LS430 can't tell whether its an Acura RL, Deville, or 90s S-class.

The LS430's awkward shape has one major advantage: head room. If I was a basketball player, its the only sedan I'd consider.

Headlights, tail lights, wheels and trim can make a *huge* difference in the appearance of a car. Is the 2007 Navigator a total "reskin" of the 2003-2006? Not at all, it's a new grill, headlights, and tail lamps. Done so horribly wrong that it takes a once beautiful SUV and turns it into a monstrosity.

Likewise, the tasteful improvements on the 2004-'06 LS430 may not make it the world's greatest looker to some, but then there's plenty of people who weren't huge fans of the W140 anyway. Lexus essentially took the W140 and modernized the appearance, they both have the huge roof line. The 2004-'06 LS430 obliterated most of the "frumpiness" of the '01-'03 and gave it a nice chiseled and muscular look. Even something as simple as swapping the amber turn signal slits in tail lights for clear ones, can make a big difference.

2001
http://images2.carsforsale.com/312746/JTHBN30F410042025_1.jpg

2004
http://autopia.org/gallery/data/500/2004_Lexus_LS430black_rear.jpg

http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/lexus/ls-430/2004/as/03/fr/2004_lexus_ls-430_oth_03-fr-as_1_717.jpg

I don't like the LS430 MORE than the LS400 by any stretch, but I DO like the 2004-'06 LS430 more, or at least on par with the W140. Keeping in mind that the W140 has some pretty incredibly looking editions too, like S500 Grand.

Jesda
01-23-11, 06:43 PM
The difference is as noticeable as SLS vs STS. It still looks like an awkwardly styled "tall box thing that's a car". The whole profile from head to toe is a big pile of nothingness. Its as if the design team all had lobotomies. For me, that was the beginning of the end of any affection I might have had for Lexus.

Jesda
01-23-11, 06:46 PM
Here is the human analogue of the LS430:
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/6438954/2/istockphoto_6438954-book-worm.jpg
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/6438954/2/istockphoto_6438954-book-worm.jpg

Stingroo
01-23-11, 08:35 PM
I'm not gonna lie, I can't see any difference between the two other than wheels and color.

Aron9000
01-24-11, 01:58 AM
^Headlights are different as well.

As far as I'm concerned, nobody has had anything on the Audi A8 in terms of style in this class of cars for the last 10 years(except the Maserati Quatropple) Just such a subtly handsome, expensive looking car. BMW used to be the "it" car in this class for me with the E38 7 series, but they really lost me with the bangle styled 2002 redesign.

I really do like the 2007+ S-class as well, but not quite as much as the A8.

druddell
01-24-11, 03:33 PM
yes, and wow is that thing ugly!

orconn
01-24-11, 04:48 PM
I have no objection to having a copy, as long as the copy displays the same or better quality and rives as well or better than the original. This is where the Lexus senior cars just don't do it for me. I like the quality and the reputation for reliability and longevity, but I just can't get turned on by how the car drives and handles (to be honest a Mercedes S class doesn't do a lot for in the area of driving feel and dynamics either!). And while I am not a big fan of Japanese cars in general, I would own one if it met my driving needs.