: Car shows in the future?



I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-19-10, 09:10 AM
I was thinking about this yesterday while at work, but do you think in 2030 and 2040, you'll see a lot of clean, unrestored cars from the '90s and '00s in shows and highly respected because they look so clean after all the years? I'm not talking about the typical stuff, like Mustangs, Camaros and Corvettes, but the ordinary daily drivers that were unlamented in recent years.

I'm getting itchy for next summer's car show season to start again, and I was just thinking about how you see all those family sedans from the 1950's-1970's there now. I'm sure back in their day, those cars weren't anything amazing or incredibly cool, but now they're neat because they're so hard to find nowadays.

Do you think you'll ever hear anyone say at a car show "Wow, is that a Beretta??? I haven't seen one of those in over twenty years!" Or--- "Wow, a '94 Taurus LX Wagon!!! Wow my dad had one of those when we were kids!!"

I can see it happening, how about you?

Jesda
12-19-10, 09:53 AM
Reliability and blandness kills a bit of the romance, so I don't see standard 90s cars becoming becoming very collectible. I doubt the Explorer will become collectible. They were mostly less distinctive cars than their 80s predecessors and less dependable than what appeared in the 2000s. However, all of those Japanese and American 90s-specific supercars and sports cars will rise astronomically in value.

NSX, Supra, 300ZX TT, 3000GT, Viper, etc. Everyone who was in high school in the 90s like me will want to own them as older men.

hueterm
12-19-10, 10:21 AM
"Wow, is that a Beretta??? I haven't seen one of those in over twenty years!"

Eww, no... :D


THIS is a Beretta:

http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad279/hueterm/92jpg.jpg


So is THIS:

http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad279/hueterm/84jpg.jpg


And of course, THIS:

http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad279/hueterm/bfrisbee.jpg


Now this, is a BAretta, which is uber fail, and not the same thing:

http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad279/hueterm/baretta.jpg


And while plentiful for some reason, this was always fail, and NOT worthy of the name Beretta: :ack:

http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad279/hueterm/chevrolet-beretta_5932_3.jpg

hueterm
12-19-10, 10:24 AM
Reliability and blandness kills a bit of the romance, so I don't see standard 90s cars becoming becoming very collectible. I doubt the Explorer will become collectible. They were mostly less distinctive cars than their 80s predecessors and less dependable than what appeared in the 2000s. However, all of those Japanese and American 90s-specific supercars and sports cars will rise astronomically in value.

NSX, Supra, 300ZX TT, 3000GT, Viper, etc. Everyone who was in high school in the 90s like me will want to own them as older men.


I would add Vettes, the Mustangs and F-Bodies, Impala SS and the '92-97 STS to that list.

Maybe the Eldorado and Mark VIII...after a long time, and if there are any left...

I can't think of ANY Chrysler... EDIT: Sorry, Viper...I always fail to make the connection...........

BMW 3-Series Verts, 8-Series, S/CL Coupes, that '90s E Convertible, SLs...

Any 911...

drewsdeville
12-19-10, 11:12 AM
I actually read a magazine article 2 weeks ago (I think Automobile magazine?) that gave their thoughts on what Cadillacs would become collectible in the future. The '92-'02 Eldo's and Sevilles didn't make the list, but they created a small section to point them out. The claim that they don't feel they will become colectible because they were run for 10 years in large numbers with minimal updates, making them a dime-a-dozen.

When you think about it, a lot of '90's cars followed a similar timeline, so I also doubt '90's cars will become collectible. 10 years of hundreds of thousands produced, and they are all far more reliable and longer lasting than what our currect classics are, as Jesda states.

The bustleback Eldorados did make it, however, as well as the last Fleetwoods, the Allante, and some other low production ones that I can't remember.

Ranger
12-19-10, 11:19 AM
The bustleback Eldorados
I think you mean Sevilles.

drewsdeville
12-19-10, 11:24 AM
Yeah, my bad. Thanks

Jesda
12-19-10, 01:04 PM
I've had an inexplicable "want" for a bustleback Seville. After 30 years I guess what was once ugly becomes interesting (but still ugly :) ). The Aztek is the kind of ugly that will never, ever become interesting in any context other than jokes about GM.

orconn
12-19-10, 01:38 PM
I disagree with those that don't think the "mundane" cars of the '90s will ever be of interest to collectors. First of all I think car collecting will become even more fragmented with the true classics and exotics becoming an exclusive area of collecting of the "very" rich, with shows devoted only to cars in that category and museums. With few exceptions the "Pony Cars" and big engined cheap bodied "shit boxes" of the late sixties and early seventies will loose their luster as the generation that graved them as teens heads to the big gas pump in the sky! Just as the model "A's and thirties Ford and Chevies did when Depression Generation go too old to care any more. Nostalgia cars of the eighties and nineties will become the collector cars of the 21st century, cars that men and women craved in their teens and twenties but couldn't afford. I don't know what that generation craved so I can't be more specific.

orconn
12-19-10, 01:44 PM
I've had an inexplicable "want" for a bustleback Seville. After 30 years I guess what was once ugly becomes interesting (but still ugly :) ). The Aztek is the kind of ugly that will never, ever become interesting in any context other than jokes about GM.

You better get your bustleback Seville now while good examples are still cheap! I believe the bustleback will come to almost equal the 1959 Cadillac among those collectors who cherish the eccentric, gaudy and gauche in cars. I personally don't care for either, but I have come to understand their appeal to those that do.

ben.gators
12-19-10, 02:54 PM
You better get your bustleback Seville now while good examples are still cheap! I believe the bustleback will come to almost equal the 1959 Cadillac among those collectors who cherish the eccentric, gaudy and gauche in cars. I personally don't care for either, but I have come to understand their appeal to those that do.

:yeah:
One of my main hobbies is searching for Sevilles in craigslist! Here is what I could find today, a low millage bustleback Seville in good condition for 5K$ OBO!
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/2120477015.html

orconn
12-19-10, 03:08 PM
There was a time when Sevilles, like the one above, were a common sight on the streets of Beverly Hills!

hueterm
12-19-10, 03:12 PM
Some of them were OK, but those fake roof continental kit versions are the tack. I wouldn't mind an Elegante with a moonroof and an engine swap...

orconn
12-19-10, 03:17 PM
Some of them were OK, but those fake roof continental kit versions are the tack. I wouldn't mind an Elegante with a moonroof and an engine swap...

I refrained from saying they were tasteful, seen in adundance in Beverly Hills is not the same as saying they are, or were in good taste, quite the opposite in reality! Chrome wheel well surrounds and gold Leapers on Jags were also present in abundance, not to mention chrome and fake antenna laden super stretch limousines!

I agree, the "Bustleback" Sevilles are tacky enough without further embellishment!

gdwriter
12-19-10, 03:58 PM
The magazine Drew referred to is Hemmings Classic Car, which I subscribe to. And they're probably right about the 90s and 00s Sevilles and Eldorados, at least until these cars become so old that they're rare simply by attrition.

I've noticed at car shows that station wagons have become popular, but I still don't see that many sedans. I've never seen another '64 Impala 4-door hardtop at a show, but I did attend one where there was a '62 and a '63.

Another thing I notice is when people see Betty, they'll often remember one their family or friends owned. The Impala was the Sixties equivalent of a Camry or Accord (with better styling and more personality) so if you didn't own one, you knew somebody who did. The pull of nostalgia is very strong, and it's certainly a big factor in why I have Betty.

It'll be interesting to see what cars are preserved and valued in the future. I see rather ordinary cars from the Seventies at shows and enjoy seeing survivors, especially luxury cars that are so over the top in size and ostentation.

Playdrv4me
12-19-10, 04:26 PM
I think one of the more interesting trends in car shows of the future will be the creeping in of SUVs and trucks more and more over time, since in the '90s manufacturers started diversifying them and adding "rare" performance models like the 5.9 Limited Grand Cherokee (approx. 15k produced for one single year). One SUV that already makes a big impact at car shows and even auctions is the GMC Typhoon. MANY pickups from the '90s already show up at car shows, such as the 454SS, Lightning, and of course the Syclone the Typhoon is based on.

billc83
12-19-10, 07:47 PM
Beat me to it, Gary.

That which is cool will have a wide market in the future, just like that which was cool in the past has a wide market now.
That which is weird and/or interesting will have a smaller market, just like before.
If internet porn has taught me nothing else, there's a whole lot of freaks out there interested in stuff you don't even think about!

I disagree that the Aztek won't have a following in the future. You have people devoted to AMC Pacers and Gremlins; there'll be a cult of Aztek followers (warriors?) ready to defend that the Aztek wasn't perfect, but it did have some cool features!

orconn
12-19-10, 08:01 PM
Beat me to it, Gary.

That which is cool will have a wide market in the future, just like that which was cool in the past has a wide market now.
That which is weird and/or interesting will have a smaller market, just like before.
If internet porn has taught me nothing else, there's a whole lot of freaks out there interested in stuff you don't even think about!

I disagree that the Aztek won't have a following in the future. You have people devoted to AMC Pacers and Gremlins; there'll be a cult of Aztek followers (warriors?) ready to defend that the Aztek wasn't perfect, but it did have some cool features!

Aztec won't have a following? Hell, even the Volkswagen "Thing" has a loyal following and so does the "Ampicar."

Destroyer
12-19-10, 08:57 PM
I can't think of ANY Chrysler... EDIT: Sorry, Viper...I always fail to make the connection...........

The Mopars are the ones that will surprise people..........AGAIN! Look at what the old muscle Mopars are worth now! The SRT8 Charger, Challenger, 300, Viper, SRT10 RAM and others may be the big buck American cars of the future even if they weren't the best in their particular segment they will surely be the rarest.

Destroyer
12-19-10, 09:03 PM
I actually read a magazine article 2 weeks ago (I think Automobile magazine?) that gave their thoughts on what Cadillacs would become collectible in the future. The '92-'02 Eldo's and Sevilles didn't make the list, but they created a small section to point them out. The claim that they don't feel they will become colectible because they were run for 10 years in large numbers with minimal updates, making them a dime-a-dozen.

When you think about it, a lot of '90's cars followed a similar timeline, so I also doubt '90's cars will become collectible. 10 years of hundreds of thousands produced, and they are all far more reliable and longer lasting than what our currect classics are, as Jesda states.

The bustleback Eldorados did make it, however, as well as the last Fleetwoods, the Allante, and some other low production ones that I can't remember.The '96 Fleetwood may be a minor collectible but probably not, it'll still be "donked" but with 50" rims. In 2040 I can see the CTS-V, STS-V and XLR-V as being the most collectible Cadillacs. The Allante will have it's normal share of weirdos liking it. I don't believe SUV's will be collectible unless we are talking AMG G55 or Cayenne Turbo. Can't think of anything else offhand.

hueterm
12-19-10, 09:18 PM
I took it to be '90s Chryslers...

Destroyer
12-19-10, 09:23 PM
I took it to be '90s Chryslers...
No he said 90's and 00's. Alright, 90's you have the Viper, the Stealth TT, Daytona's and hmmm? The 90's kinda sucked for Chrysler.

Playdrv4me
12-19-10, 09:44 PM
TI don't believe SUV's will be collectible unless we are talking AMG G55 or Cayenne Turbo. Can't think of anything else offhand.

Those two are mass produced regular model lines that are present each and every year of production. There's also nothing that particularly stands out about either. The Typhoon and Syclone however ALREADY have a cult-like following, that will only continue to increase as the years take their toll on them and more and more are scrapped. They were produced for a limited time and their is a very finite number left right now. The SRT10 Ram is also a good example of something that should increase in value as time passes, even though it was also relatively mass produced. The trick to that one is that it was so ridiculously outlandish and unexpected with its direct Viper drop in power plant, that it just screams collectibility.

Destroyer
12-19-10, 10:02 PM
Those two are mass produced regular model lines that are present each and every year of production. There's also nothing that particularly stands out about either. The Typhoon and Syclone however ALREADY have a cult-like following, that will only continue to increase as the years take their toll on them and more and more are scrapped. They were produced for a limited time and their is a very finite number left right now. The SRT10 Ram is also a good example of something that should increase in value as time passes, even though it was also relatively mass produced. The trick to that one is that it was so ridiculously outlandish and unexpected with its direct Viper drop in power plant, that it just screams collectibility.You know, it just depends on what the market conditions are like 30 years from now. It is possible that we are in the middle of another muscle car era right now and that stricter emission standards may straggle the cars of the future bringing the performance down. History has a tendency of repeating itself. If this happens, I'm right. If it doesn't, you are. :yup:

Stingroo
12-19-10, 10:14 PM
Hey.

Shut up.


I like the Aztek.

:hide:

Destroyer
12-19-10, 10:18 PM
Hey.

Shut up.


I like the Aztek.

:hide:
Well that is definitely something you don't hear everyday! :cool2:

hueterm
12-19-10, 10:31 PM
No he said 90's and 00's. Alright, 90's you have the Viper, the Stealth TT, Daytona's and hmmm? The 90's kinda sucked for Chrysler.


Those Stealths and Mitsus looked cool, but were pieces of donkey ass. Within 5 years, everyone I ever saw on the road was belching blue smoke from the tailpipe... Sad...

Playdrv4me
12-19-10, 11:02 PM
Crank. Walk.

Koooop
12-19-10, 11:20 PM
I think one of the more interesting trends in car shows of the future will be the creeping in of SUVs and trucks more and more over time, since in the '90s manufacturers started diversifying them and adding "rare" performance models like the 5.9 Limited Grand Cherokee (approx. 15k produced for one single year). One SUV that already makes a big impact at car shows and even auctions is the GMC Typhoon. MANY pickups from the '90s already show up at car shows, such as the 454SS, Lightning, and of course the Syclone the Typhoon is based on.

I think you're right about the SUV's, we'll surely see an Escalade or worse (if that's possible). Could you imagine seeing a Minivan at a car show? Mommy mobiles are in our car show future.
:vomit:


The 5.9 Grand Cherokee and Typhoon just don't fall into the mommy mobile catergory, those were a blast to drive.

greencadillacmatt
12-19-10, 11:35 PM
Hey.

Shut up.


I like the Aztek.

:hide:

I like the Aztek as well. Especially when they took all the grey cladding off the bottom. :hide:

Stingroo
12-19-10, 11:39 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pontiac-Aztek.jpg/800px-Pontiac-Aztek.jpg

Orange Aztek. I have found it.

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greencadillacmatt
12-19-10, 11:43 PM
I'd drive an AWD model. Just sayin'. (Dodges rotten tomato thrown at him.)

ben.gators
12-19-10, 11:53 PM
Well well, lets take a look to the list of the cars our lovely friend Stingoo likes:
SSR
Aztek
Caprice Wagon (well, this one is not that much bad!)

I have heard that people with good taste in cars have good taste in girls too and people with bad taste in cars have the same bad taste in chicks either!
So what I can say to you buddy is, whenever you want to marry, please do yourself a favor and let some other people choose a nice, cute, and good looking girl for you! :D I suggest Orconn, he seems to be the man!

Stingroo
12-20-10, 12:07 AM
:lol: No no, I'm good in that department too. She puts up with my weird car obsessions too, and has for over 3 years now. I'll be okay. :thumbsup:

ben.gators
12-20-10, 12:15 AM
:lol: No no, I'm good in that department too. She puts up with my weird car obsessions too, and has for over 3 years now. I'll be okay. :thumbsup:

Well, after skipping my objection to presence of "too" in the middle of your post, I should say best of wishes and hopes for you buddy:thumbsup:

HAZZARDJOHN
12-20-10, 01:20 AM
I go to about 20 car shows a year and in 1999 I first went to Iola Old Car show and Swap meet (A must see event for any real car guy) in a 1994 Chrysler lebaron Convertible. It was my Friend Ben's and it had a hitch so we could tow a small trailer to haul our swap meet finds. It was a sunny weekend so we took the car so we could enjoy the sun on the way.

I remarked to him that the day I see one of these at a car show is the day I stop going to car shows. Well it has happened. Last year I was at a classic car show in Menomonie and bam, someone pulls in with a 93-94 lebaron convert and put it in the show. I have since amended it to a brace of lebarons cause I am not ready to give up car shows yet.

~HJ

Jesda
12-20-10, 03:16 AM
Maybe you classic car guys can confirm this theory:

A vehicle's romantic appeal and market desirability seem to be enhanced if it was superior to its successor. True/false? I suspect the ubiquity of the 90s Sevilles combined with the technical superiority of the modern Cadillacs that followed will keep prices low. A lot of the muscle cars maybe appreciated in value not just for being attractive and powerful, but for immediately predating the smog era and the poorly built heaps that followed.

ben.gators
12-20-10, 03:27 AM
Maybe you classic car guys can confirm this theory:

A vehicle's romantic appeal and market desirability seem to be enhanced if it was superior to its successor. True/false? I suspect the ubiquity of the 90s Sevilles combined with the technical superiority of the modern Cadillacs that followed will keep prices low. A lot of the muscle cars maybe appreciated in value not just for being attractive and powerful, but for immediately predating the smog era and the poorly built heaps that followed.

hum, this is an interesting theory.... I am not sure it is correct or not, but somehow sounds reasonable....

Aron9000
12-20-10, 03:58 AM
Maybe you classic car guys can confirm this theory:

A vehicle's romantic appeal and market desirability seem to be enhanced if it was superior to its successor. True/false? I suspect the ubiquity of the 90s Sevilles combined with the technical superiority of the modern Cadillacs that followed will keep prices low. A lot of the muscle cars maybe appreciated in value not just for being attractive and powerful, but for immediately predating the smog era and the poorly built heaps that followed.

Interesting stuff right there, and it does hold some weight . . .


Anyways, what will be collectible in the future is what teenage to 20 something boys owned in their youth, or aspired to own in their youth. So I am betting that 1990's Hondas, of all things will be collectible in the future. I'm really talking about the fun models like the CRX, Integra, RSX, Civic coupe, Civic hatch, Civic Si, Predule, Del Sol, etc. 4 door Accords might be worth something 20-30 years from now, but not nearly what the sporty models will be.

Now I know everybody will say, "but they made a million Accords/Civics/Integras, they won't be that rare". When was the last time you saw a really clean, stock 1980's model Honda??? Or even a really clean, stock 90's model??? Yeah these things tend to get driven into the ground, unlike the little old lady Cadillacs that are 20 years old with 50k miles on them.

Jesda
12-20-10, 05:00 AM
The CRX is already appreciating in value and unmolested top-spec Integras, Civics, and Legends are already worth quite a bit to the right buyer. Dad bought a 1992 Civic Vx in 2000 for $4000. He sold it in 2007 for $4000. That's for a car with no AC or any options whatsoever.

I'm not sure what to think about the Del Sol. Its a Civic with body flex living in the shadow of the Miata.

Aron9000
12-20-10, 08:41 AM
The CRX is already appreciating in value and unmolested top-spec Integras, Civics, and Legends are already worth quite a bit to the right buyer. Dad bought a 1992 Civic Vx in 2000 for $4000. He sold it in 2007 for $4000. That's for a car with no AC or any options whatsoever.

I'm not sure what to think about the Del Sol. Its a Civic with body flex living in the shadow of the Miata.

But it has that magical "H" on the hood and VTEC yo!!!!!!

And I thought about owning a 2 door Legend as a cheap second car. Did a little research, prices are quite high and absurd for nice ones with under 100k miles.

Bro-Ham
12-20-10, 11:52 AM
Interesting stuff right there, and it does hold some weight . . .


Anyways, what will be collectible in the future is what teenage to 20 something boys owned in their youth, or aspired to own in their youth. So I am betting that 1990's Hondas, of all things will be collectible in the future. I'm really talking about the fun models like the CRX, Integra, RSX, Civic coupe, Civic hatch, Civic Si, Predule, Del Sol, etc. 4 door Accords might be worth something 20-30 years from now, but not nearly what the sporty models will be.

Now I know everybody will say, "but they made a million Accords/Civics/Integras, they won't be that rare". When was the last time you saw a really clean, stock 1980's model Honda??? Or even a really clean, stock 90's model??? Yeah these things tend to get driven into the ground, unlike the little old lady Cadillacs that are 20 years old with 50k miles on them.

Aron, I agree with you. When I first started reading this thread I immediately started thinking of Honda and all the incredibly cool cars they made from the late 1980's into the 1990's. Like gd with his 64 Impala, I think we will see the next generation of car folks in the future toddling into the car shows in mint condition 89 Accord LXi's and 91 CRX Si's and everyone will admire them like we admire the oldies today. In 20 years I will be 62 and in 30 years I'll be 72 and probably on my 3rd or 4th liver transplant and I can't wait to see what cars are the ticklers for enthusiasts. :)

V-Eight
12-20-10, 04:02 PM
:lol: No no, I'm good in that department too. She puts up with my weird car obsessions too, and has for over 3 years now. I'll be okay. :thumbsup:

Hold on.....restarting my computer, I don't see any pics.....

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-20-10, 05:53 PM
If the cars that were popular with kids my age when I was in high school are going to be collectible in the future (like they were with the muscle cars and the baby boomers, and the '30s rat rods with the greatest generation) then the high output, clean rice rockets are where it's gonna be at. Stock turbo DSM's, any Honda/Acura with a VTEC engine, Lancer Evolution, WRX, etc etc. Too bad I don't like any of those cars and would never consider buying one.... Hopefully the GTP & GS will have some potential down the line, especially the GTP as that was much more popular than the GS.

orconn
12-20-10, 07:37 PM
The ubiquitous factor and the rarity factor do not necessarily work the way you would think. Nothing could have been more ubiquitous than the '65 for Mustangs, they were everywhere, and they continue to be popular with collectors and are seen with regularity at car shows. Conversely the Lamborghini 350 GT certainly fits the description of "rare" with under 128 ever having been produced, and thought to be by many who know, to be the best Lamborghini ever produced. One would think this would make these cars to have appreciated to astronomical prices, and yet this is not the case, Lambo 350 GT can be had for under $100,000. while Ferraris that were made in higher numbers and were inferior cars across the board command much higher prices. The same goes for the limited production Maserati Ghibli.

Jaguar XKs and E-types both of which were made in comparatively low volumes compared to American "Muscle Cars" and with performance that equaled or exceeded there much cruder and cheaper performance contemporaries don't, even for the finest examples, command the prices the MoPar, GM and Ford muscle cars do.

So I would have to say that the Hondas so popular with the "Ricer" culture of American and Asian teens will be much sought after in the future and demand for these models in the States and particularly Asia will put a lot of pressure on the upward movement of their prices!

hueterm
12-20-10, 09:06 PM
IMO, the only collectible Hondas are NSXs, 2nd Gen Legend Coupes, and MAYBE some Preludes now and then...

gdwriter
12-20-10, 11:41 PM
Jaguar XKs and E-types both of which were made in comparatively low volumes compared to American "Muscle Cars" and with performance that equaled or exceeded there much cruder and cheaper performance contemporaries don't, even for the finest examples, command the prices the MoPar, GM and Ford muscle cars do.And that's a shame. The '67 British Racing Green E-Type roadster I inspected several years ago was absolutely exhilarating to look at and to drive. A magnificent machine.

orconn
12-20-10, 11:53 PM
IMO, the only collectible Hondas are NSXs, 2nd Gen Legend Coupes, and MAYBE some Preludes now and then...

I'd have to include the Honda 2000 in that list and also the 1957 Honda S800 Sports!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-21-10, 12:28 AM
Yeah, that sounds about right. NSX, S2000, VTEC Preludes (especially the ones with 4WS), second generation Legend Coupes, but you can't forget the Integra Type R's too.

Koooop
12-21-10, 12:44 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Pontiac-Aztek.jpg/800px-Pontiac-Aztek.jpg

Orange Aztek. I have found it.

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Ack! My eyes!

Orange is not the cure for everything.

Stingroo
12-21-10, 01:23 AM
I think it's cooler.

billc83
12-21-10, 04:32 AM
Ack! My eyes!

Orange is not the cure for everything.

You must have quoted that word-for-word from your avatar after it looked in the mirror!

Koooop
12-21-10, 08:31 PM
That even hurt Blinky's eyes.

Destroyer
12-21-10, 09:08 PM
30 or 40 years from now you will still see an overwhelming majority of the cars at shows will be 50's and 60's musclecars and the music in the backround will still be that crappy 50's shit. It was this way in the 70's, 80's, 90's, '00's till now. Why do you think this will change?:yup:

77CDV
12-22-10, 02:14 AM
All this presupposes the existence of a car culture 30 to 40 years hence. A surprising number of younger people have little interest in driving at all. In general, though, the cars that are popular with teens and younger twenty-somethings now will be what you'll see at car shows in the future, assuming such shows exist.

Stingroo
12-22-10, 07:19 AM
That's true too. It's no secret that fewer teens are getting their licenses or have any interest in cars in general, and it's a trend I notice from talking with people I know as well. It's really quite pathetic.

billc83
12-22-10, 08:46 AM
There'll be a car culture. It won't be as prevalent as it was, but it'll still be there.

I was always too busy with school to care one bit about cars during my high school days. I really only came into my automotive-own in my early 20s.

I also didn't get my liscense until 18, in part mostly because I never needed it. I'm partly glad about that; I think it spared me from making some pretty dumb decisions.

Stingroo
12-22-10, 11:54 AM
I got mine the summer I turned 15. Dad didn't want me to, but I signed up for Driver's Ed at the high school so he didn't really get a choice. :D

Koooop
12-22-10, 05:38 PM
I think many of the cars from the '90's or later will not be represented as many of the electronics will not be available. Wait unitl it's 2037 and you need a Yaw sensor for your '95 STS or a CPU for an XLR-V or God help you find top parts for an XLR in 2030. Parts for low production cars will be invisible.

V-Eight
12-22-10, 06:32 PM
^ I totally agree on that.

Koooop
12-22-10, 10:31 PM
Parts for the 1990's version LT5/ZR1 Corvette are incredibly hard to come by. That is a 90's car that is certain to be collectable and at shows down the road.

(spelling errorz made especifically for TBJS)

billc83
12-22-10, 11:14 PM
I think many of the cars from the '90's or later will not be represented as many of the electronics will not be available. Wait unitl it's 2037 and you need a Yaw sensor for your '95 STS or a CPU for an XLR-V or God help you find top parts for an XLR in 2030. Parts for low production cars will be invisible.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

I hate to use my Bricklin as an example, but look at this:
- The original hydraulic doors were crap. Most owners switched to a pneumatic system. The advances in pneumatic technology since the '70s has been fantastic. My cars doors were converted ~'79/'80. It used crimped connections and solenoids that operated like power windows (hold the button, the door goes up). Perhaps four-way valves were too expensive or just non-existent.
- The original acrylic panels are prone to stress cracks. There's a business that deal specifically with Bricklins; they also produce reproduction fiberglass body panels.

Now, granted, one could argue these systems are "old technology" and not really comparable to the computer technology. there's two ways around these computer systems fully.

1) Emulation, which has been discussed ad naseum. Having a "DOS-Box" program of sorts to act as an older automotive computer (I bet with the faster CPU processing you could even make those old V8-6-4 engines work the way they were supposed to!). For all I hear people talk about it, has anyone actually started doing this? I smell an automotive market for a smart programmer...

2) Full powertrain replacement. Carb the engine, take out the high-tech irreplaceable non-functional crap and go back to basics.

I think further anti-automotive legislation is a bigger threat to automotive culture than car technology. Sneaky Petes can find a way around the technology issues...

orconn
12-22-10, 11:35 PM
Even back in the 1950's there were a lot of parts for the limited production "Classics" of the thirties, but folks found a way. I know my uncle bought a V-16 Cadillac just to get the wheels off of it for his Dusenberg SJ! If the desire is there and the money is there someone will come up with a viable solution.

The hobby may change as to the cars that desirable to a certain generation, but the automobile has become such a icon of 20th century culture that I think the "car hobby" willl be with us for a very long time!

Aron9000
12-23-10, 01:10 AM
I think many of the cars from the '90's or later will not be represented as many of the electronics will not be available. Wait unitl it's 2037 and you need a Yaw sensor for your '95 STS or a CPU for an XLR-V or God help you find top parts for an XLR in 2030. Parts for low production cars will be invisible.

Maybe, maybe not. The internet is such a great tool for connecting people and conducting commerce that you can find that one weirdo with a stash of XLR top parts in Jackson Hole Wyoming and have stuff shipped.