: Town Car Import Adventure (long... with pics)



mharker
12-15-10, 09:48 PM
Hi everyone. Many of you on this board helped me out in my car search, so as promised I'm posting my story. It's long... but you were warned.


DECISION TIME
I've always been a fan of large, RWD, GM cars and my awesome 1996 Buick Roadmaster was my latest in a long line of such vehicles. Approaching 160,000km, the RM had been a great daily driver for six years and at one time was pristine enough to appear in a feature photo shoot for a car magazine. And while it still drove quite nicely and looked decent for its age, there were a few looming issues that were making it unreliable and perhaps costly in the near future. So I began my hunt for a nice full-size luxury sedan, previously well cared for by an elderly owner. Since GM regrettably has not built any large RWD since the final B/D bodies of 1996, it was time to investigate some other manufacturers. I decided on a short list including S-Class and E-Class Mercedes, 7-Series BMWs, Lexus LS, Buick Lucerne V8, and Lincoln Town Car. While I do love my 1968 Cadillac, the contemporary Cadillac styling does not excite me and I did not consider them for a DD (sorry guys).


NARROWING DOWN
With a budget of $15-$20K, I ruled out the German cars pretty quickly as a car in that price range would be very expensive to maintain. The Lexus LS was a decent compromise, but I never really got excited about it. So it was back to American metal... what can I say I like what I like! The Buick Lucerne V8 was a logical replacement for the Roadmaster, especially the 300HP V8. But while they are a good value for the money I just couldn't get past the FWD. This left the Town Car. I liked the classic American big-car styling but was concerned about the low power, 239hp 4.6L SOHC engine. So I rented one on a business trip to try it out. As expected it had WAY less power than my Roadmaster, but on the other hand, it absolutely felt like my kind of car. So I decided on the TC. After all, if I need to burn rubber I can always take out my Corvette! SHOPPING Next step was to get the best 2006+ Lincoln Town Car I could find for around $17K. Not black (looks like airport limo) and not white (looks like wedding car). But Pearl white would be OK. As for options, heated seats were a must. I learned that to obtain heated seats, one must find a Signature Limited (not just Signature), but that also came with a premium sound stereo and way cool fully motorized open-close trunk. Here in Canada there were at best a dozen or so decent candidates for sale nationwide, but they were usually priced in the $18K-$22K range. But down south in the US there were literally hundreds within a day's drive, for thousands less. So the plan was to find the right car and import it into Canada.


THE CAR
While it seemed fairly straightforward to find such a common car within a very wide area, it took some doing. I literally investigated at least a hundred cars and made a few offers along the way. There was always something wrong... bad carfax report, bad color, wrong options, high mileage, overpriced, cheezy aftermarket fake convertible tops, it just went on and on. Whenever there was a perfect car with low mileage, by the time I called it was gone. Then finally I found a candidate in the Chicago area. 2006 Signature Limited, $16K, 71,000kms (44,000 miles), traded in at a Toyota dealer by an old couple from Texas. But... white! Not pearl white but wedding white. Can I live with a white Town Car and put up with the wedding car jokes? Hmmm. THE DEAL Winter was coming and I needed a car. So I figure go for it maybe I'll learn to love a white TC. Knowing that $16K was a good price, I offer full asking, subject to a pre-purchase inspection from a local Ford dealer. They accept and the car checks out, but the inspectors notice there is damage to the rims and some very minor damage on the front bumper. Immediately the salesman starts investigating getting the wheels refinished. Next morning I say OK I'll take it but you can either (a) fix the rims and bumper or (b) give me $1500 off and I'll take care of it myself back in Toronto. Unbelievably, the salesman Blackberrys me back and says good luck with your search for a perfect car and I'll get your deposit back in the morning. I'm like WTH? Two days later the sales manager calls and asks me if I'll take it for $15.5. In the meantime I had learned I could get the rims refinished back home for $500 so I said sure no problem. The bumper damage was so minor I figured I'd ignore it since the price was good. Not sure what was up over there - some kind of sales tactic or just weirdness. But whatever... the deal was fair.


PLANNING TO IMPORT
I had done a ton of research on importing a Town Car into Canada and it seemed very do-able. Also there were some terrific people on the Corvette discussion board who gave me all sorts of tips and answered my questions. The paperwork seems very complicated but as long as you get it done in advance it's easy. The planning steps were as follows: (1) Mods - basically convert speedo to metric (easily accomplished by button on TC dash) and get daytime running lights working. I got a local Ford dealer in Illinois to do this before I picked up the car for $70! I am certain it would have cost much more here in Canada. (2) Paperwork for export from US - basically proof of title and no outstanding liens. Dealer faxed me this after I paid, I faxed to border, and brought original when I crossed. (3) Paperwork for import to Canada - registry (RIV) form & fees, pay GST (5%), and proof that all recall work has been done.


PICKING UP CAR
As you can tell I was pretty enthusiastic about this whole process, so I decided to make the trip part of the fun, rather than look at it as a "purchase-related expense". I decided to take my 8yo son along for a Chicago "guy trip" to pick up the car. So I cashed in some Aeroplan points and Pricelined a Chicago 4-star hotel for only $75/night. We flew out on a Friday and the sales manager from the Toyota dealer actually picked us up at O'Hare and drove us to Crystal Lake to get the car. The payment had already been wired so all I needed to do was sign the papers and drive off. I brought some Ontario wine and gave bottles to the sales manager and salesman to thank them for helping me out with some of the export paperwork etc. Then I drove to the nearby Ford dealer to give another bottle of wine to the service advisor who inspected the car for me and got me the recall clearance documentation. They were very surprised by my "Canadian hospitality". After that we drove the Town Car for an hour to get to Chicago. When you export a car from Illinois, they give you a little window sticker for $10 which makes you legal to drive all the way back home. However, I felt conspicuous about driving a car all that distance with no proper licence plates, so I brought my old Buick plates along with me and asked the dealer to put them on the car. It's not exactly legal, but I had the correct Illinois sticker on the car plus the paperwork that I owned the plates, so I figured I could talk to talk if a cop ever stopped me. Plus I'd be able to use the toll road in Ontario to get home!


SHINY TOWN CAR
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f77/mharker/Delivery.jpg


PRISTINE INTERIOR
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f77/mharker/Delivery2.jpg


READY TO DRIVE OFF
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GUY TRIP
In our short Chicago visit, my son and I visited the Willis (Sears) Tower, along with the MOSI museum and Navy Pier. I have some friends there too and we visited the German Christkindlmarket with them, then went out for deep-dish pizza. We also found time to squeeze in a quick visit to the John Hancock Tower. The best part of our trip was definitely MOSI (Museum of Science and Industry). We've been to many science museums and this one is by far the best we've seen. There are more exhibits than you can see in a day, but the highlight was the German U-505 submarine which was captured by the allies in WWII. It is a fascinating story and terrific display so put it on your list. I've done a lot of traveling and I'd have to say Navy Pier was a huge disappointment - bad food choices, lame attractions, and overall a tourist trap. Our hotel however, the Hilton Palmer House, was spectacular. We had a terrific time and there's nothing like a father-son trip, even if it's only for two nights.

GLASS FLOOR IN WILLIS (SEARS) TOWER
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OUT FOR PIZZA
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MMMM DEEP DISH
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f77/mharker/Pizza2.jpg


WHO'S THE NUTCRACKER?
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CHICAGO PARKING
So... while we got a spectacular deal on our hotel through Priceline, I found out the parking was exhorbitant at $50/night for valet and $36/night for self-park. But as luck would have it, my friend in Chicago happens to live 4-5 blocks away from the hotel and tells me she has access to 3 free parking spaces. Sweet! So I show up and learn that it is actually street parking near her condo, which for some reason has no signage and the locals all know you can park there for free. I look at the space and think "Hmmm... well it's not a pretty street, but hey I've parked cars hundreds of times on the street in many places, and nothing's ever happened. And it's not like it's a Mercedes or anything, it's just a normal 5yo Town Car. Why should I pay $50/night to park at the hotel? Some idiot car jockey might mess with my car and scratch it up, or even worse, figure out my car is in title transition and call his criminal buddies to come and steal my serial number. Good idea... let's leave it on the street". We go out for dinner and I'm stressed about the car but my friends reassure me it's a nice neighbourhood and everything will be fine. Well... the next morning my friend calls me to say the car's been hit. Just my luck the only time I ever have a car hit while parked and it's my new car I haven't even owned for 24hrs yet. And I searched for months to get a car with no stories and original paint, fly all the way to Chicago, and now it's damaged. GRRRR! I show up to look at the car and luckily it's just paint peeled off and no crack on the bumper... but still I am quite displeased to say the least. I look at my son who is excited about going to the museum, suck it up, and try not to think about it. Check out the pic below and if you know anyone in the GTA who can fix this properly and cheaply, please let me know.


GRRRRR!!!
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f77/mharker/Damage.jpg


DRIVE HOME
The usual drive from Chicago to Toronto is long, but it's easy. Now wouldn't you know it a huge midwestern storm is brewing so we hit the road at 7am to try and stay ahead of the bad weather. It wasn't to be. The entire 900km drive I was at the front end of the storm, just as snow was accumulating on the roads. And whenever I would break away it was time to stop for a meal or customs, so when I got back in the car the storm had caught up. It wasn't a dangerous or scary drive, just an annoying amount of snow with the occasional plow, which kept my average speed to probably 80km/h. Overall it was 14 hours to get home, including stops and customs. However I would add that's 14 hours in a very comfortable Lincoln Town Car!! This car is absolutely quiet on the highway and it performed beautifully. You can hardly even hear the tires driving through the slush. I very much enjoyed the SoundMark premium sound system and heated seats, while my son sat in comfort playing video games and watching movies in back. We also got in a few old-fashioned rounds of "20 questions".


PARKING AT CRACKER BARREL
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COMFY RIDE BACK THERE
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f77/mharker/Comfort.jpg


U.S. CUSTOMS A really cool guy on the Corvette enthusiast web site gave me a ton of info about importing via the Detroit/Windsor Ambassador Bridge. He even gave me a Google satellite map with labels on where to drive in, which office to visit, and how to drive out. This was a tremendous help and if anyone reading this ever imports a vehicle let me know and I'll give you the info. So upon arriving at the border, first stop was the US side where I needed to get the title stamped. I had been warned that this office was pretty unfriendly... and that they made people wait in line while they had idle chit-chat until they felt like calling the next customer. It was absolutely accurate and actually quite comical, but in the end it was only 15 minutes and the guy was pretty nice. My son observed his gun and thought it was cool.


CANADIAN CUSTOMS After this I crossed the bridge, paid the toll, and got in the line for Canadian customs. I expected the front line drive-thru customs guy would ask for my passport and then wave me through to the main office when I told him I was importing a car. Not so! He proceeded to ask for my bill of sale and all sorts of questions about the car. (TIP: never get in line at customs behind an unplated car that looks like it's being imported... you'll be waiting a while). Anyway when he was done asking his questions he did in fact send me to the "secondary" inspection area to do paperwork, pay fees, etc. Also, he blasted me for having Ontario plates not registered to the car and warned me that I could be fined $500, but that it was not his jurisdiction. I parked the vehicle to go into the office and a second officer blasted me again about the plates. Finally I got to the desk and a very nice (but serious) lady went through all the paperwork with me. They charged me 5% HST on the car plus the registry (RIV) fee of around $200. She noted that the tax was payable on all aspects of the car purchase, including admin fees, licence, etc. But that also they deduct $400 from the purchase price when calculating tax to allow for my 48-hour exemption! She filled out the RIV form and said I'd get an email receipt, which was on my iPhone instantly. As I left, I had to show my card to a person outside before I drove away. This weird inspector asked me a few questions about the TC as though he knew a fair bit about cars. Then he asked to look inside and said something like "gee we eyeballed your car and figured you paid 2 grand... but I guess it's pretty nice and you paid $15.5 so you must not be lying about the price". WTH? Either a weird tactic to make me admit something or these guys are just plain idiots. 75 minutes for the Canadian-side ordeal by the way.

mharker
12-15-10, 09:51 PM
NEXT STEPS
The very next day I got an email from RIV saying I could download my Inspection Form and take it to the local Canadian Tire for inspection. This inspection has already been paid in the fee I paid at the border. If it requires any mods that will cost extra, but I'm pretty sure it won't. In any case my buddy in Toronto has a contact at a CT who will look the other way on some things! Then after that, I need a safety check and e-test. Final step is paying my PST (8%) at the Ministry and I'm all done! Would I do it again? Well, it was fun and I probably saved a few grand so yes, I would definitely import another used car if the dollar remains near par. But I don't think I'd offer to do it as a favor for a buddy just for kicks - I can imagine these border people can get on your nerves if you do this all the time.


TEXAS CAR STARTS NEW LIFE IN CANADA
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FATE OF THE BUICK
Well if you read this far you're perhaps wondering what happened to the Roadmaster. If I had the space I would have loved to keep it and restore/play with it when I'm an old man someday. But then again, if I were ever in that position I could probably find a better one for not much money. There is not much demand for these cars. So... I called one of my car buddies and said "I can put this on Craigslist for $2K and deal with a bunch of hassles, lowballers, and weirdos, or I can just sell it to you for a grand. He grabbed it right away and will probably drive it for a while and sell it to a relative back east. Long may you run RM. I still have the magazine article anyway!


LONG MAY YOU RUN
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hueterm
12-15-10, 09:56 PM
ROFL at their being surprised you brought them wine. Crystal Lake is a very nice area, but in lots of areas of Chicago, they'd be more likely to get some guy beating them over the head w/a wine BOTTLE and stealing the car :-)

That is the suck about getting hit....it shouldn't be too much to fix, though.

Oh, and good deal on the car. Is it still in warranty?

drewsdeville
12-15-10, 09:59 PM
That damage while parking, and the hassle of it all, is exactly why I take the train to Chicago when I go. Funny, I just brought that up in another thread.

Nice car though. I don't care for white on many cars but it does look great on the TC. 2003+ panthers will be the most "advanced" you'll get for that type of vehicle...coming with a hydroformed frame, rack and pinion, the 2001+ 4.6 with PI heads, and most of the quirky 4r70W bugs worked out. Nothing rides like them: When it was still around, even the FWB couldn't match the TC's ride (subjective, of course). Compared to your RM, it might be a little low on power but it should return significantly better mileage that is very respectable for what it is (around 27mpg hwy). Hope you enjoy it.

Playdrv4me
12-15-10, 10:44 PM
Man what a cool story! Your son looks like he had a great time and you finally got the car you wanted in the end.

I've always wondered how hard it is to do the reverse of what you did btw... i.e. export a car FROM Canada and INTO the U.S. On a few rare occasions there have been some great deals up there (not to mention Canada is the only place in the world where the elusive 2004 STS hides out).

Destroyer
12-15-10, 10:45 PM
Great story and nice car. I have always liked this body style Town Car. Good luck with it. :cool2:

ben.gators
12-15-10, 10:58 PM
Congratulations for your new ride and hope it serves you very well. The car looks like to be a very well kept one. But I bet she is so shocked by all the snow and cold whether in Canada! From hot Texas to Cold Canada! That is a hell of change! :D

And by the way, when I read the part that you put your old plates on the car I immediately got a bad feeling that it will cause some pain in ass....

ga_etc
12-15-10, 11:51 PM
Good looking car! Glad you got the car you wanted and had fun on the trip, even with the parking mishap.

Just for the record Drew, I'll put my Roadmaster up again any TC for ride, comfort, and MPG.

orconn
12-16-10, 12:39 AM
Great story, thanks for sharing! Glad you and your young fellow had a great trip, one I am sure you will remember fondly as the years go by!

mhamilton
12-16-10, 10:41 AM
That's a great looking car! I like it in white, I'm sure nobody will say it's a wedding car :)

mharker
12-22-10, 08:39 PM
Hi everyone. Thanks for all your positive comments. I posted this story on a couple other boards and for some reason I got nuthin' but lame comments from the ImpalaSS guys. Good riddance I like the B-Bodies but for some reason it seems to be a bunch of bubbas over there these days.

Big question... what's the best Lincoln Forum? I'm gonna need to sign up for something but they are remarkably not busy, especially considering the gazillion TCs out there. The Lincoln board and Ford board have some activity but nothing like we see here at cadillacforums.

Anyone know which is best? I suppose I could always post my Lincoln questions here and get good info but there's gotta be a good forum somewhere.

drewsdeville
12-22-10, 08:56 PM
Register at crownvic.net

It's easily the biggest site pertaining to the panther platform. You'll find absolutely everything you need. VERY large body of knowledge. The amount of documentation is stellar. If you like the activity here on cf.com, you'll be impressed at cv.net. Being based on an aged platform existing over 30 years, it completely dwarfs this site in traffic and availability of technical knowledge.

drewsdeville
12-22-10, 08:57 PM
double post.

Stingroo
12-23-10, 12:38 PM
Yeah, the B-body sedan guys are hit or miss. Some are cool, some are complete asses. cv.net is EASILY the biggest Panther forum on the Internet. For common issues, I would be surprised if you had to ever do anything other than search. :thumbsup:

Glad you got the car back and you and your son had a great trip. Crappy luck on the hit though. :(

Sandy
12-24-10, 10:15 PM
I absolutly LOVE my 2003 "Townee" Shehas just ten thousand miles, biught her new, an ordered car, with ever option offered. She is a light SilverGreen Starmist )like Cadds Firemist) and was a 2003 Special Spring Edtion, called,
"THE LIMITED" ~ Just 1,134 were made. Has alot of custom extras, not on any other factory T.C. I'll try to list it at the end of this.
I like Rear Wheel Drive, so I left Caddy after 1993, and went to Lincoln.
We only use this car for "Going Out Nice" (as wife says) - It's never visited a supermarket nor a Maul Oops, Mall. It does nt do eronds, either.
It is flawless, all over. I love the ride, the "feel" and the power close from fully opened posistion, down to shut & locked. Also like having a factory cassette AND C.D. combo. Like the loooooong delay to OFF on the headlights. Did you know that you can turn on one cornering lamp, before using the twilight sentinel and that cornering lamp will join in - in the delay off ??!!

Sandy
12-24-10, 10:24 PM
Here is the add'l. features on the 2003 "THE LIMITTED" :-
003 LINCOLN TOWN CAR LIMITED EDITION (SALES CODE 54L) - - PRODUCTION

CODE DV - LIGHT TUNDRA METALLIC - 370 MADE 32.7 PERCENT
CODE HC - IVORY PARCHMENT METALLIC - 245 MADE 21.7 PERCENT - EXTRA COST
CODE F6 - CERAMIC WHITE PEARL - 156 MADE 13.8 PERCENT
CODE JP - SILVER BIRCH METALLIC - 140 MADE 12.4 PERCENT
CODE BQ - LIGHT PARCHMENT GOLD METALLIC - 89 MADE 7.9 PERCENT EXTRA COST
CODE UA - BLACK - 87 MADE 7.7 PERCENT
CODE TC - CHARCOAL GRAY METALLIC - 38 MADE 3.3 PERCENT
CODE P5 - ASPEN GREEN METALLIC - 6 MADE .5 PERCENT
TOTAL MADE = 1,131 OUT OF 81,360 - 2003 LINCOLN TOWN CARS FOR 2003.
THE LIMITED EDITION ACCOUNTED FOR ONLY 1.39% OF TOTAL TOWN CAR PRODUCTION.

WHAT DID THE "LIMITED EDITION" HAVE IN THE PACKAGE?

PREMIUM LEATHER SEATING SURFACES WITH PERFORATED AND PLEATED CENTER
SEAT INSERTS AND UNIQUE REAR SEAT PIPING. THE LINCOLN "STAR" EMBROIDERED
ON THE FRONT SEAT BACKS.
ALPINE AUDIOPHILE SPEAKERS, AND SOUND SYSTEM WITH SUBWOOFER WITH
A SINGLE COMPACT DISC SLOT IN THE DASH AND A CASSETTE PLAYER IN THE DASH
AS WELL.
UNIQUE FLOOR MATS IN WOOL-LIKE TEXTURE WITH " L I M I T E D " EMBROIDERED INTO
THE MAT'S CENTER, AS WELL AS REAR FLOOR MATS.
HIGH INTENSEITY DISCHARGE HEADLIGHTS EMMITTING A WHITEISH ILLUMINATION
UNIQUE 17-INCH 14 SPOKE MACHINED ALLUMIN WHEELS. WITH PAINTED "POCKETS".
"LIMITED" BADGE ON EXTERIOR 'C' PILLAR
FULL POWER OPEN & POWER CLOSE TRUNK LID FROM YOUR KEY FOB, OR FROM FROM THE CAR'S
INTERIOR, BY THE PUSH OF A DOOR MOUNTED BUTTON
REMOVEABLE TRUNK ORGANIZER
UNIQUE GRILLE FEATURING ARGENT BLACK VERTICAL BARS SET INTO A CHROME
SURROUND MOULDING.
30-PIECE ADDITIONAL INTERIOR WOOD TRIM OVER & ABOVE THE NORM.
CHROME ACCENT ON THE TAILLAMPS
ONLY INTERIOR COLOR WITH THIS PACKAGE IS MEDIUM & LIGHT STONE.
EXTENDED REAR PARKING ASSIST SYSTEM
MEMORY SYSTEM FOR 2 DRIVERS TO RECALL THEIR SETTINGS FOR POWER SEAT,
POWER GAS & BRAKE PEDAL POSITIONS, AND EXTERIOR MIRROR SETTINGS.
DIGITAL FULLY AUTOMATIC WINDSHIELD WIPERS WITH DIGITAL ANTHOLIGY STARTS TO RAIN? THEY GO ON & SELF ADJUST, STOPS RAINING, THEY TURN OFF. DRIVER NEVER HAS TO TOUCH TOUCH THEM.
EASY EXIT DRIVER'S SEAT, AUTOMATICALLY GLIDES REARWARD WHEN DRIVER'S
DOOR IS OPENED.
FRONT SEATS HEATED, WITH 2 SETTINGS OF HEAT.
PADDED LEATHER AND WOOD TRIMMED STEERING WHEEL, WITH AUDIO AND
TEMPERTURE ADJUSTMENTS ON THE STEERING WHEEL, AT YOUR FINGERTIPS.

ONLY OPTIONS THAT WERE AVAILABLE ON THESE CARS:-
POWER GLASS MOONROOF HAVE)
6-DISC COMPACT DISC AUTOMATIC CHANGER IN TRUNK, OPERATED THRU THE
STEREO IN THE DASH BOARD. (I HAVE)
WHITESIDEWALL TIRES (I HAVE)
THE MOONROOF & 6-DISC CHANGER IN TRUNK, TOGETHER WERE CALLED THE
"PREMIER GROUP"
DOOR EDGE GUARDS (I HAVE)
LIGHT PARCHMENT GOLD OR IVORY PARCHMENT WERE OPTIONAL COST
THE LIGHT TUNDRA METALLIC WAS THE ONLY EXCLUSIVE LIMITED COLOR,
THE OTHER COLORS WERE AVAILABLE ON OTHER 2003 TOWN CARS.

THE LIMITED EDITION ADDED $ 2,330.00 TO THE CAR'S PRICE
WITH ABSOLUTELY EVERY OPTION ON BOARD, THE WINDOW STICKER WOULD HAVE
BEEN $ 50,380.00.
THIS WOULD INCLUDE THE 2003 LINCOLN TOWN CAR, LIMITED EDITION, WITH THE
"PREMIER GROUP'; WHITE SIDEWALL TIRES AND DOOR EDGE GUARDS.

drewsdeville
12-25-10, 02:59 PM
EDIT: Huerterm thought this post was gonna be too x-rated for Sandy, so I had to change it!

FWIW, I think the $50k price tag on the decked TC was just a tad too high.

hueterm
12-25-10, 03:33 PM
OK, seriously, you are a dick. Merry Christmas...

Sandy is one of the nicest guys on here, deals with health problems, yet never has a cross word to say to or about anyone. The guy has sold and driven big, traditional luxury cars his whole life. He gets what is arguably the best iteration of the last generation of the breed. He can afford it, he likes and babies it, and you mock him.

What is your damage?

drewsdeville
12-25-10, 03:37 PM
Mock him?

He claimed that, if the car had every option, it would be the $50k+. I don't know if he has every option or if that's what he paid, and I really don't care. Not knocking what he drives. Just find that sticker price humorous. Considering the poor sales, I think it's safe to assume that I'm not the only one, either.

You are right, Sandy IS a nice guy, and he's one of the few here that we can all talk to openly who doesn't take casual (opinionated) car talk super seriously like it's a life or death matter. I appreciate that. His health nor the vehicles he drives have nothing to do with it. Same can't be said with many others here. Sometimes people take this stuff so seriously, you'd think someone killed their children and raped their wives. Somehow, many here feel their vehicles magically define who they are. I'm a member of quite a few automotive boards, and this is the ONLY one where everyone's so uptight in this manner. Yeah, it happens every now and then in other places, but it's quite overwhelming here, for whatever reasons. Hell, you guys already scared Rick away with this mentality, and that's unfortunate. He was a long term member, with great contributions to this forum.

Sandy is a nice guy because of who he is, not because he drives a TC, not because of the value of his TC, and not because of his health.

I doubt he will take serious insult to commentary on vehicle pricing, why in the world would you?

Cry some more. What's wrong, shitter's full? Santa bring you a sock of coal? Lighten up.

Oh, and Merry Christmas to you as well, sir.

Stingroo
12-25-10, 04:09 PM
HIDE YO KIDS, HIDE YO WIFE


AND HIDE YO TOWN CARS, CAUSE THEY RAPIN' ERRBODY OUT HERE.



Just sayin'.

ben.gators
12-25-10, 04:37 PM
OK, seriously, you are a dick. Merry Christmas...



Oh, and Merry Christmas to you as well, sir.

:histeric:

guys, come on!

hueterm
12-25-10, 04:56 PM
HIDE YO KIDS, HIDE YO WIFE


AND HIDE YO TOWN CARS, CAUSE THEY RAPIN' ERRBODY OUT HERE.



Just sayin'.


ROFLMAO, Roo

Where is that vid?

Stingroo
12-25-10, 05:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw

I came, I saw, I delivered.

hueterm
12-25-10, 05:04 PM
Mock him?

He claimed that, if the car had every option, it would be the $50k+. I don't know if he has every option or if that's what he paid, and I really don't care. Not knocking what he drives. Just find that sticker price humorous. Considering the poor sales, I think it's safe to assume that I'm not the only one, either.

You are right, Sandy IS a nice guy, and he's one of the few here that we can all talk to openly who doesn't take casual (opinionated) car talk super seriously like it's a life or death matter. I appreciate that. His health nor the vehicles he drives have nothing to do with it. Same can't be said with many others here. Sometimes people take this stuff so seriously, you'd think someone killed their children and raped their wives. Somehow, many here feel their vehicles magically define who they are. I'm a member of quite a few automotive boards, and this is the ONLY one where everyone's so uptight in this manner. Yeah, it happens every now and then in other places, but it's quite overwhelming here, for whatever reasons. Hell, you guys already scared Rick away with this mentality, and that's unfortunate. He was a long term member, with great contributions to this forum.

Sandy is a nice guy because of who he is, not because he drives a TC, not because of the value of his TC, and not because of his health.

I doubt he will take serious insult to commentary on vehicle pricing, why in the world would you?

Cry some more. What's wrong, shitter's full? Santa bring you a sock of coal? Lighten up.

Oh, and Merry Christmas to you as well, sir.


Funny how 1.5 paragraphs suddenly turn into like 43... I guess the "Edit Post" button is needed when you're trying to spin yourself out of a hole of your own making.

As to everyone in here taking things so seriously, and driving Rick away...A.) NO ONE took everything more seriously than Rick...please. B.) No one drove Rick away, if he wants to leave, then leave.

And on that note...there was ONE thing I wished for for Christmas, that didn't come true. Other than that, while I'm not the biggest fan of the holiday, it went very well.

hueterm
12-25-10, 05:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw

I came, I saw, I delivered.


Who says there isn't a Santa Claus...Santa ROO...

gary88
12-25-10, 06:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw

I came, I saw, I delivered.

That was funny for about a day before getting old :yawn:

hueterm
12-25-10, 06:31 PM
Unlike his first chef d'oeuvre, the followup, "Chimney Intruder" is not nearly as impactful and timely...

HAHAHAHA

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-25-10, 08:53 PM
Rick's leaving of a few months back wasn't the first time that happened, so it's not like we offended him to the point of no return. He periodically doesn't come around the forums for months on end, in which time he seems to occupy his life with something else, probably his long distance girlfriend. I know if I was in a steady relationship, I'd be spending a lot less time on here and a lot more time with her.

The forum's main population changes over time. Jesda, Ian, Brett, Sandy, both Garys, a few others and I have been major posters since 2004. Some people that really used to hang around here have up and vanished (Jason, Nicki, Adam, Rick) and there are lots that have been posting a lot in the last year-year and a half that weren't here way back when. Like any sort of town or city, the population changes and varies from year to year.

Stingroo
12-25-10, 09:03 PM
:waves: I'm a new gai.

hueterm
12-25-10, 09:49 PM
And what you may lack in time served, you've more than made up for with activity!

Stingroo
12-25-10, 09:59 PM
Yeah, I'm kind of sad that the new software has post counts showing.

:lol:

Jesda
12-26-10, 03:17 AM
I'm a member of quite a few automotive boards, and this is the ONLY one where everyone's so uptight in this manner.

Pot
Kettle
Black

Shut up, Drew.

drewsdeville
12-26-10, 03:38 AM
Lulz. Could you elaborate on that a little?

I've driven nothing but rusted out 20 year old junk vehicles since I could drive. I surely don't take anyone's opinions about my cars, good or bad, as a direct reflection of myself. If someone makes a cut on my car, I don't take it personally.

If you are trying to apply the "I am what I drive" mentality to me, since that's what the quote you used was referring to, think twice. I'm the wrong person to try that on.

Jesda
12-26-10, 03:40 AM
Just quit being a dumbass in general.