: Four door coupes>> CLS/CC/A7/Panamera/Rapide??



I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-05-10, 11:59 AM
What do you guys think of the current trend of four door coupes? A good theme that will be remembered in 30 years, or a fad that should be forgotten in 10?

I myself really like them, as I think it's a nice breath of fresh air in the luxury sedan field that really looks sexy, sporty and desirable. They make about everything else look staid by comparison.

The CLS started the trend, but my favorite one has got to be the A7. Its design is so clearheaded and so beautiful, it's hard not to like it. It doesn't look as busy as the others in the segment, and that's why I like it.

It is interesting though, to see that the new Hyundai Sonata and Kia Optima are going for this look too, and they look miles better than their Japanese competition in doing so!

hueterm
12-05-10, 12:05 PM
Meh...it's OK. I do like the way MB did it, though in having a separate model -- as opposed to VW, that is replacing the Passat w/the CC. Some people are going to want more headroom....

I'd rather have a bevy of full size REAL COUPES and leave the sedans alone, but that's me...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-05-10, 12:13 PM
I'd rather have real coupes as well Mike, but I was just commenting on this new market segment.

blue07cts
12-05-10, 03:55 PM
I'd have to agree with you Chad, I think a sedan that puts style over function is a valuable asset in today's market where there are a lot of young affluent buyers who are single or have a small family and may want the style of a coupe but the practicality of four doors. Also the A7 is DEAD sexy! In the short time that i have had my A4 I've started really paying attention to AUDI and they have gone from company i thought of as "nice" to very impressive. I also agree that replacing the Passat with the CC was a mistake, the passat had a following of loyal buyers here and in todays market that should be a much valued sales tool, but I suppose VW knows what there doing.......

orconn
12-05-10, 04:30 PM
Personally, if I wanted that style I would want it in a 2 door coupe. I really dislike the high free board, slit window look that goes along with the most recent 4 door coupe look .... and I hate the claustrophobic, dark backseat , lack of headroom of the body style also. But as indicated here, there are those who really like it and appreciate four doors. But eliminating a real four door sedan from the line up, I believe is a big mistake.

As I have said, ad nauseam, I really dislike the high side, narrow window design fad that we are currently experiencing. I don't find the coupe/4 door design attractive except in the most expensive renditions, such as the Aston and the Lambo. In most cases hood length to cab length, to rear deck is thrown out of proportion and you end up with an updated version of the GM "Fleetline" four door sedans of the forties and very early fifties. A design that worked OK on the two door coupes but was unattractive when the middle cabin was stretched to accommodate four doors.

Is the current four door coupe a fad? I would think so; there is nothing really innovative about it (such as the mini-van was in the eighties) and truth be told it isn't really a new concept, the Rover P5 of the mid to late sixties tried out this body style and while it was attractive the style didn't proliferate with other brands. The short wheel base Jaguar XJ6 of the early seventies and the 4th generation Seville STS got the proportions and style right for a sports sedan .... the new renditions of the coupe/sedan don't come close IMO.

Playdrv4me
12-05-10, 06:29 PM
Frankly, this is precisely the kind of thing I would EXPECT to be created in an era of recession and "poverty". People either don't want the attached stigma of having an "extra" sports coupe in addition to the family sedan or SUV, or they just plain can't afford it now. So what do we get? A mish-mash of both, a-la AMC Eagle (and THAT nasty trend has come back in this economy too, just look at the Nissan Rogue). Mark my words... it is a fad that will pass as soon as we return to prosperity, whenever that may finally be.

RippyPartsDept
12-05-10, 06:39 PM
wasn't there a thread earlier this year about these so-called 4-door coupes?

Jesda
12-05-10, 07:43 PM
Its hard to design one correctly without making it look like a fat sports car or a neutered luxury car. The Rapide is an example of doing it the right way.

Stingroo
12-05-10, 07:43 PM
They're hideous, and I can't wait until they're gone from the market place. The sooner the better, not one of them looks good.

Playdrv4me
12-05-10, 07:59 PM
Every time I see one, including the Sonata which unfortunately used to be a VERY pretty car in its Audi like version, the first thing that comes to mind is "Spaceship". And not in a good way.

Jesda
12-05-10, 08:10 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2676/3875937482_760547c5f7.jpg

Check out the 2012 Elantra

MauiV
12-05-10, 08:49 PM
Best looking "obtainable" car on the road....

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/2364421958_b94eaea75e.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/2363584959_5320dd98b5.jpg

orconn
12-05-10, 08:53 PM
I do think the VW CC is good looking, but I have to say the more I see of the Mercedes version the less I like it. And the rest of the renditions range between "ho-hum" to downright ugly!

By the way, I do think we had this discussion before.

orconn
12-05-10, 08:59 PM
Best looking "obtainable" car on the road....

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/2364421958_b94eaea75e.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w52/jdinmaui/02%20cars/2363584959_5320dd98b5.jpg

Taste is individaul and each to his own, but the CLS suffers from the small car top welded on a large car body syndrome. Kind of reminds of one of those Italian chicks from the Fiat booth at the car show; big butt and hips , small top .... if it weren't a Mercedes you might say it had a good personality! I think the VW CC is a much more successful rendition of the theme.

Playdrv4me
12-05-10, 09:38 PM
The CLS is a good way to overpay for an E-Class.

Stingroo
12-05-10, 09:42 PM
It's also hideous.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-05-10, 10:23 PM
Better looking than a wagon, and an E-Class...

Stingroo
12-05-10, 10:31 PM
Yes but that's like being a dwarf among midgets... you're still short.

Playdrv4me
12-05-10, 10:57 PM
btw... does anyone else find those "Hyundai Holiday" commercials with the Sonata as odd as I do?

Aron9000
12-06-10, 02:48 AM
I think the 4 door coupe thing is a fashion fad, just like those ginamorous personal luxury coupes of the 70's. Like their 70's counterparts, they are more style than substance, and make significant compromises in rear seat room for the sake of style.

And BTW, the Porsche Panamera has to be the ugliest car currently for sale right now. I do like the current and last gen Benz CLS, Audi A7, Aston Martin Rapide, VW CC, all of those are brilliant designs IMO.

RippyPartsDept
12-06-10, 12:43 PM
btw... does anyone else find those "Hyundai Holiday" commercials with the Sonata as odd as I do?

They're trying to be 'trendy' and 'hip', plus i bet pomplamoose (http://www.youtube.com/user/PomplamooseMusic)was super cheap to get

gary88
12-06-10, 01:26 PM
I sat in a CLS once and felt claustrophobic, the belt line is ridiculously high. Sure it looks neat but I'd never buy one.

hueterm
12-06-10, 01:32 PM
I think the 4 door coupe thing is a fashion fad, just like those ginamorous personal luxury coupes of the 70's. Like their 70's counterparts, they are more style than substance, and make significant compromises in rear seat room for the sake of style.

And BTW, the Porsche Panamera has to be the ugliest car currently for sale right now. I do like the current and last gen Benz CLS, Audi A7, Aston Martin Rapide, VW CC, all of those are brilliant designs IMO.


And the pendulum shift is FAR overdue.....from the latter to the former....

orconn
12-06-10, 01:47 PM
I think the reason I dislike the current styling fad of small top on big bottom is that it reminds of the early fifities Hudson Hornets of my youth, fast good quality cars, but they didn't look nimble, but in fact resembled a newly plopped cow pie resting on the pavement! Body side sculpturing helps a little, but the proportion can't be overcome. I just don't want to go down the road in a claustrophic cow pie with my chin on the window sill!

drewsdeville
12-06-10, 01:48 PM
They're trying to be 'trendy' and 'hip', plus i bet pomplamoose (http://www.youtube.com/user/PomplamooseMusic)was super cheap to get

:thumbsup:

I actually like their cover of Mrs. Robinson.


http://www.youtube.com/user/PomplamooseMusic#p/search/3/f-4ZwiW1cPs

RippyPartsDept
12-06-10, 02:11 PM
:thumbsup:

I actually like their cover of Mrs. Robinson.


http://www.youtube.com/user/PomplamooseMusic#p/search/3/f-4ZwiW1cPs


I think the lady gaga - telephone cover is my favorite of theirs... beyonce's single ladies comes in second


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vEStDd6HVY

MauiV
12-06-10, 09:45 PM
Im just glad Benz got away from those god-awful bug eyes on the E. Horrid

hueterm
12-06-10, 10:07 PM
Better looking than a wagon, and an E-Class...


And that horrible R Class...

Playdrv4me
12-06-10, 11:28 PM
I've long maintained that the first time I saw an R-Class it sucker-punched me so hard I actually ended up LIKING the Pacifica by contrast. The little Nav in the dash especially.

hueterm
12-07-10, 12:54 AM
W/it being a Chrysler, you expected the Pacifica to be ugly....