: 01 ESC project



JoeTahoe
11-29-10, 11:12 PM
[http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/cadi/family010.jpg[/IMG] this is the hole cradle out http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/cadi/family013.jpg[/IMG] because of this http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/cadi/family014.jpg and this http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/cadi/family006.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/cadi/family008.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/cadi/family012.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/DCP01299.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/DCP01295.jpg and now for the fix http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/DCP01307.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/DCP01308.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/DCP01316.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/DCP01318.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/family021.jpg thats a big hole http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/family017.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/DCP01327.jpg now thats a nice Northstar, Myself and the Eldos owner woud like too thank Jake at Northstar Performance, This 70,000 mile car almost whent to the scrap yard because nobody would work on it. It is a awsome car. Again thank you Jake and all the other forum members. I loved this car so much that I bought a 99 STS with bad head gaskets and it is my first but not last Northstar!!

RippyPartsDept
11-29-10, 11:28 PM
looks good!

johnny kannapo
11-29-10, 11:37 PM
Awesome.

JoeTahoe
11-29-10, 11:49 PM
my new toy [IMG]http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/cadi/joe009.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/cadi/joe010.jpg

RippyPartsDept
11-30-10, 12:19 AM
wow, what a beauty... i've always wanted this bodystyle

98eldo32v
11-30-10, 12:48 AM
Congratulations on the repair and the new purchase!!!!

I was wondering, when you resealed the mid-case did you reuse the same bearings or installed new ones? The reason I ask, I have this same task ahead of me and heard usually if resealing the mid-case you have to install new bearings. Is this definitely the case?

Ps. great pictures!!

maeng9981
11-30-10, 04:18 AM
Great pictures! I have this job coming up in my calendar.

JoeTahoe
11-30-10, 08:45 AM
I did replace rod and main bearings with new rod bolts. Also reringed with gm rings. The heads looked good just relaped valves and instaled new valve seals. Thanks for all the comments and it has been a around 3 months and it is doing good.

Pete1996
11-30-10, 10:43 PM
Nice work Joe, real nice! Nice looking car also!

JoeTahoe
11-30-10, 11:21 PM
http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/DCP01326.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/DCP01325.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/family013.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/family018.jpghttp://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/family015.jpg http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz114/joemacali/family020.jpg more pics

jimsbox
12-01-10, 12:02 AM
Sweet garage and lift!

tateos
12-01-10, 02:33 PM
Thanks for posting all the nice pictures. Been there, done that, but it's always cool to see other people's projects.

JoeTahoe
12-01-10, 04:28 PM
i have more i will put on tonight

JoeTahoe
12-01-10, 06:07 PM
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stoveguyy
12-03-10, 09:54 PM
whats the deal with the RE cam sprocket? i know thats where the cam sensor is placed. i dont recall my sprocket looking like that. thought all 4 sprockets were almost identical? my car is a 96 sts.

ejguillot
12-03-10, 10:33 PM
Must have been a 2000 and later design change, my RE sprocket is identical.

JoeTahoe
12-03-10, 10:47 PM
all of the pics are from a 2001 ESC I dont know the diff. but give me a month and I will have my 99 STS apart

Submariner409
12-04-10, 10:36 AM
whats the deal with the RE cam sprocket? i know thats where the cam sensor is placed. i dont recall my sprocket looking like that. thought all 4 sprockets were almost identical? my car is a 96 sts.

Remember the threads from a couple of years ago in here and up in Seville which talked about the timing of a series of engines which had the RE displaced relative to the real timing dot ??? You're looking at one. That's a roller cam 2001 engine. The CMP is a bit different from pre-2000.

One more graphic reason why it's important to have your car, year, model shown in your profile ^^^ - the differences can make a LOT of diagnosis difference between two model years.

ThumperPup
12-12-10, 08:25 PM
wow great picks Joe and great job


hey this might be off topic but from the looks of it and all and something els im a bit cruouse about with the studs
so if say 200k goes by and the gaskets start to leak again but its not the threading pulling out of the block that is casuing it do i need a new set of studs or any other work or
will the shop just have to pull the engine and then remove the heads and just replace the gaskets
or will it need to have new studs again ?

JoeTahoe
12-12-10, 08:54 PM
studs are good forever the engine will have to be removed to replace head gaskets because there is no room on the rear head for stud clearance. You could remove the studs and install them into a differant engine.

ThumperPup
12-12-10, 09:06 PM
studs are good forever the engine will have to be removed to replace head gaskets because there is no room on the rear head for stud clearance. You could remove the studs and install them into a differant engine.


cool cool good to know this
just worried that in like 4 or 5 years from now and 190 or 200k latter if the gaskets start to leak ppl will be telling me again its just a throw away engine
or trying to tell me that i have to pay them more because they need to drill and insert
im glad to know that this is not gona be the case and only planing on ever needing it if the gaskets them self start o leak and even then home that perhaps there is a way to tell if its the front or back and maybe just be the front one

JoeTahoe
12-12-10, 09:29 PM
i am almost positive with studs and good maintance you will never have a headgasket leak again as long as it is done right the first time

RippyPartsDept
12-12-10, 09:35 PM
:yeah:

97EldoCoupe
12-12-10, 09:55 PM
And green coolant only, changing every two years.

JoeTahoe
12-12-10, 10:06 PM
hey jake i am still working on getting the funds up for my sts she is at the body shop rite now. Do you keep stock on waterpump, gasket set, oil manifold, rear seal, gm sealer and most inportant the studs

97EldoCoupe
12-12-10, 10:08 PM
Normally yes- current stock:

3 water pumps
5 gasket sets
500+ oil manifolds
3 rear main seals (running low)
2 tubes of sealant (running low)
83 sets of studs in stock

ThumperPup
12-12-10, 10:09 PM
And green coolant only, changing every two years.

oooooooo that reminds me i totaly forgot to tell him not to use dex only green gota call in the AM and hope its not to late

97EldoCoupe
12-12-10, 10:10 PM
Fel-Pro turned me down for a direct account, so I am in talks with the OEM gasket suppliers for the Northstar. If I can strike a deal with them, I may have access to incredible pricing on complete OEM gasket sets.

JoeTahoe
12-12-10, 10:16 PM
sweet and thanks jake happy trails

ThumperPup
12-12-10, 11:51 PM
Fel-Pro turned me down for a direct account, so I am in talks with the OEM gasket suppliers for the Northstar. If I can strike a deal with them, I may have access to incredible pricing on complete OEM gasket sets.

hmm 2 questions here
is fel pro not as good as OEM or vis versa

also i thout Fel Pro did make the gaskets for GM ?

97EldoCoupe
12-13-10, 05:56 PM
Victor Reinz / Dana was the OEM supplier for most of the seals and gaskets. Federal Mogul / Fel-Pro wasn't -

Fel-Pro still sells the 1st design upgrade rear main seal. GM went to a second design upgraded rear main seal in mid-late 2003, which was a better design.

Fel-Pro doesn't make all of their own seals - they buy other brands and package them in.

Forget Rock-Products water crossover seals. I ordered one kit, once, and those seals were inferior - no torque limiters molded in (pieces of aluminum). If they skimped here, I'm not sure where else - I was not happy with that product -

I have a nice list of the OEM suppliers for many of the Northstar parts, from the individually cast parts to the sensors, gaskets, etc.

ThumperPup
12-13-10, 08:27 PM
ok guess it comes down the other question then wich one is better from what your saying OEM is better the 2nd desighn they went to in 2003

wondering is the older desihn worst or way inferioor or idid gm just make something difrant liek they usualy change things up eveyr now and then was there really a need to change to a difrant style gasket ?

RippyPartsDept
12-13-10, 08:44 PM
afaik there were actually 3 rear main seal designs... the original... the second (which is no longer sold by gm) and the third (which is used in place of the second if your car originally had the second)

the first was 9mm wide (i think) and the second and third are 11mm (??)

correct me if i'm wrong here jake

97EldoCoupe
12-16-10, 09:40 AM
Pup I did speak to your mechanic and I did tell him to make sure the newest seal is in your engine-

Chris - you are correct but I'm not entirely sure about the measurements or which direction they are taking those measurements - All I know is the steel lip on the newest seal is smaller and the dry-seal coating is blue-

RippyPartsDept
12-16-10, 11:46 AM
i think the measurements are from the outside edge (across the blue dry-seal coating)... but yeah the blue one is newest

JoeTahoe
03-11-12, 11:17 AM
had a scare with this Eldo yesterday. The owners took it on a 600mile round trip for a funeral and about 18 miles from home it overheated. They called me and were not very happy!!!! I had them check the water pump belt and he says, no the belt is still on it and tells me it only has one belt. I tell him no it has two and tell him were the water pump belt is. He says ohh ya that belt is all waded up. have it flat bedded to my shop and it melted idler,cam pulley because the two year old waterpump set up. Now I did put a new pump on this I believe it was a four seasons I got it from Jake. So this time I am only useing ACdelco parts. The tensioner was also new and came from Advance auto parts. This has been a learning leson. Now I am worried about my STS because it has the same pump but a acdelco tensioner.

maeng9981
03-11-12, 08:47 PM
Wow! So the water pump itself seized up? What would make it just seize like that?

MoistCabbage
03-11-12, 08:52 PM
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JoeTahoe
03-11-12, 09:41 PM
dont know yet. I will have a idea in a couple days

ternstes
03-12-12, 01:28 PM
Please post what you find out, Joe. I had the water pump belt shred and melt to the pulley on my friend's 97 STS. We replaced the the pulley and belt and it's been fine going on 6 months. Now, I am a little worried we didn't replace the pump.

JoeTahoe
03-13-12, 09:57 PM
massive water pump bearing failure, So from now on I will only use ACdelco pumps on a Northstar

maeng9981
03-14-12, 09:46 AM
Wow! That sure assures me to use AC Delco only for this car.