: Gonna "Chev" the '67 Olds. Sacrilege!



Destroyer
11-05-10, 08:43 PM
I've been looking to upgrade my '67 Olds for awhile now but never have the time. Don't really even drive it much really. Anyway I stumbled upon this '84 Suburban. New 383 stroker small block and a brand new (like not even 15 miles on it) 700r4 trans with Vette valve body and 2500 stall converter. Even has a mini high torque starter and electric cooling. I bought it. The Suburban sounds killer and moves out real well for it's size. Can't wait to see what subtracting more than 2000 lbs off it when it's in the Olds will do.

I really wanted to keep my car Oldsmobile powered but couldn't pass up on this. It'll all be reversible and I'll keep my great running 330/glide on a pallet at the warehouse. It's gonna be sweet having that overdrive transmission in there. Here's a few pics of the donor Suburban I bought:

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And the car it is going into:

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/P4070121.jpg

Stingroo
11-05-10, 08:49 PM
I want the suburban's wheels. :( Should be sweeeeeet when done.

Destroyer
11-05-10, 08:57 PM
I want the suburban's wheels.
Well, you are in Florida. We can make arrangements for the wheels. Too bad I can't use them on something, I like those old truck wheels.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-05-10, 09:03 PM
Damn, that's a nice looking Suburban. You NEVER see them that nice up here.

orconn
11-05-10, 09:07 PM
Is that the old Eldorado next to the '67 Olds? I thought that car had long ago made its' way to the crusher!

Stingroo
11-05-10, 09:11 PM
Well, you are in Florida. We can make arrangements for the wheels. Too bad I can't use them on something, I like those old truck wheels.

I'm in Jacksonville, but - do tell.

Maybe an awesome birthday gift? :lol: (I wish)

ted tcb
11-05-10, 09:32 PM
That Suburban looks way too nice to be a donor vehicle.

I always thought you would put a N* motor into the Cutlass :)

drewsdeville
11-05-10, 09:50 PM
^^^That's what I thought.

I'd put a junkyard trans in the Suburban and try flipping it for $3k or more. You'd be surprised what the right person will pay for those in good condition. Take that money and build yourself an Olds engine.

Stingroo
11-05-10, 09:54 PM
^ That actually sounds like a really solid idea.

ga_etc
11-05-10, 10:20 PM
The 'burban is a damn good looking truck. What are the eventual plans for it? Please tell me it's not going to be scrapped. You can donate it to me and I'll keep it alive, somehow.

Destroyer
11-05-10, 10:39 PM
The 'burban is a damn good looking truck. What are the eventual plans for it? Please tell me it's not going to be scrapped. You can donate it to me and I'll keep it alive, somehow.Probably gonna part it out and then send it to the crusher. Not sure. I may try to sell it whole after the drive train is pulled. It drives very nice, good brakes, goes straight and suspension is tight. It is also has hardly any rust. It does need paint though. Here's some more pics of it.

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Destroyer
11-05-10, 10:42 PM
Is that the old Eldorado next to the '67 Olds? I thought that car had long ago made its' way to the crusher!Yeah, that is an older pic. The Eldo is long gone! :yup:

ga_etc
11-05-10, 10:44 PM
Damn, that thing is straight as an arrow! Paint is just superficial. If I had some spare cash I would love to take if off your hands. I could always find a motor and trans for it. Even the interior is in great shape. I really hope you don't dismantle it, it's way too nice for that IMO.

Stingroo
11-05-10, 10:46 PM
^ I'd have to agree with you.

My grandfather had a suburban of that vintage, except his was green. Lots of memories cruising down to Homestead Miami speedway to watch the November NASCAR races in that truck.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-06-10, 01:10 AM
My aunt has a 1991 Suburban with the Silverado package, much like that one. Hers has 250k on it, but it's got a new body on it, as the original rusted out too badly below the doors and stuff, so my uncle took the body off the frame, and installed a body from a Texas truck onto it. Looks great and is finished in a sweet dark/light blue two tone paint job. I really, really like the '80s era Suburbans, even if they aren't as comfortable or as powerful as the newer ones.

Destroyer
11-06-10, 08:48 PM
The Suburban has found a new home. I remembered my mechanic has a really rusted out '89 Suburban. He will take mine in exchange for his after I pull out everything I want. I'm glad cause this one was too nice to send to the scrap yard. Another friend which does body work will graft the cowl section of the hood onto my Olds. The car will be much more fun now. :lildevil: Can't wait till it's done.

Stingroo
11-06-10, 08:49 PM
Awesome. :) Should be fun to see when done.

What kind of parts does that 383 have on it?

ga_etc
11-06-10, 09:04 PM
Glad it will live on in one form or another. Two vehicles get a new lease on life.

Destroyer
11-06-10, 09:23 PM
Awesome. :) Should be fun to see when done.

What kind of parts does that 383 have on it?Don't have the paperwork in front of me but it's a fairly mild (street) motor. It's got 10:1 compression, 882 casting heads with 2.02 valves ported/polished as is the Performer RPM intake, 4 bolt main with steel 400 crank. Cam has a .480 lift but that is all I know about it. Has a mini hi torque starter. Carb is a Holley 650. It's got billet pullies and electric fans. Idle is lumpy, you can definately feel and hear the cam when idling (shakes the whole truck, I like that). The trans is the 700r4 with Corvette valve body and 2500 rpm stall. The motor really comes alive past 3000 rpm's so I will need to install at least a 3.73 rear in the Cutlass.

Stingroo
11-06-10, 09:30 PM
Fun! What's the Cutlass have now?

We are going to NEED some pics and vids of that thing running, you know. :thumbsup:

:postpics:

Destroyer
11-06-10, 09:47 PM
Fun! What's the Cutlass have now?

We are going to NEED some pics and vids of that thing running, you know. :thumbsup:

:postpics:The Cutlass now has a 330 which is probably the best small block Olds motor ever made. Has a steel crank, ultra high compression and probably the best breathing Olds heads made. A 403 with 330 heads would almost double in power (with some machine work). The 330 is a screamer, it is the basis for most big power Olds small block motors but it is costly to build up. A Chevy motor on the other hand is the easiest and least expensive motor to build up. I like the vast parts selection and availability for small Chevy motors. Changing out an Olds motor for a Chevy is a sin. Oldmophiles will hate me for it but it's my car and I'll do what I want.

Aron9000
11-06-10, 09:56 PM
Good luck with the build man!!! So what is happening to the Suburban exactly? Is it getting a different motor/trans from your mechanic??? That thing was really nice, hell if it were a pickup like I've been looking for I would've given you $3500 for it.

Stingroo
11-06-10, 09:59 PM
Honestly, I'm probably the only Olds nut who DOESN'T think that's a sin. I love the bowtie AND the rocket equally (okay, maybe I lean a small bit toward the bowtie..) and I think the build is going to be cool. :)

Destroyer
11-07-10, 12:18 AM
Good luck with the build man!!! So what is happening to the Suburban exactly? Is it getting a different motor/trans from your mechanic??? That thing was really nice, hell if it were a pickup like I've been looking for I would've given you $3500 for it.
My mechanic friend has a rusty POS '89 Suburban. He just rebuilt the TBI motor maybe a year ago as well as the tranny. His 'burb is rotting away big time (northern truck) so he will put his motor/trans into my '84. He will pull the motor/trans and other parts off the '84 for no charge and will give me his '89 to scrap in place of this '84. Works out great cause I don't think I could bring myself to scrap this old Surburban. :yup:

Destroyer
11-23-10, 12:10 AM
***UPDATE*** So far so good. Motors and transmissions have been pulled out of both cars. I have decided to paint the Cutlass before installing the new motor/trans in it. The car will be "Dark Shadow Gray Metallic". Same color as my former '04 Mach 1. A more subdued color than the bright red on it now and more my style. I definately like non colored cars (white-black and everything in between) and the '04 Mach 1 I had was amongst my favorite colors.

When the car comes back from the paint shop it will come back to me for the motor install. I'll get everything almost ready to run and then take it to the exhaust shop for a dual exhaust and x-pipe. After that it will come back home and I'll get it running. Shortly afterwards it will receive a suspension/brake and interior makeover. This will be fun (and costly)! :cool2:

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ga_etc
11-23-10, 06:08 PM
That crate 350 makes me :drool:.

greencadillacmatt
11-23-10, 10:26 PM
That Olds 330 makes me :drool:.

Destroyer
11-24-10, 09:33 PM
That Olds 330 makes me :drool:.

I really did "sell out" by putting a Chevy in it. Most "olds" forums will boot you out for doing such a thing. I bought some extra parts from an Olds guy the other day. I told him I try to buy extra parts for the car whenever they come along for spares. Anyway I told him I was in the middle of an engine swap and getting the car painted. He asks what motor I'm putting in. At first he assumed a 455, I said no. He asks again. I asked him what the worse possible scenario would be. He immediately says "small block Chevy"..........BINGO. :lildevil::lildevil:

ga_etc
11-24-10, 10:28 PM
Why do the Olds guys freak out over transplanting a SBC?

greencadillacmatt
11-24-10, 10:45 PM
^It's like a big slap in the face to them. I'm not sure why.

Destroyer
11-24-10, 10:57 PM
Why do the Olds guys freak out over transplanting a SBC?
The Pontiac and Buick guys are the same. It is cooler to run a BOP motor IMO but on the other hand, it is so much easier (and cheaper) running a Chevy motor. I am glad I am going this route this time. Did the 455 thing with my last '67 Cutlass and it was great but won't do it again. The small Chevy will make the power I want and not make the car so front heavy too. This is a pretty good example of a '67 Olds with a built Chevy.......... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-olds-442-restomod-supercharged-pro-street-pro-tour-/280590126657?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4154798e41#v4-37

billc83
11-25-10, 12:38 AM
The next time someone asks, tell them you're putting in a 3-cylinder Geo motor because fuel mileage is your biggest concern.

An SBC suddenly becomes a little less heretical...

MauiV
11-25-10, 09:00 AM
I have a buddy that rebuilds Chevelles and Impalas (one of his Chevelles sold at the last Jackson Barrett for $62k) and even he is starting to get away from the traditional small block Chevy 350 in favor of LSx based power for his personal cars. Cheap, easy power is hard to pass up even for the die hards.

Destroyer
11-25-10, 12:34 PM
I have a buddy that rebuilds Chevelles and Impalas (one of his Chevelles sold at the last Jackson Barrett for $62k) and even he is starting to get away from the traditional small block Chevy 350 in favor of LSx based power for his personal cars. Cheap, easy power is hard to pass up even for the die hards.An LSx motor is appealing and may happen down the road but it also kinda takes away from the simplicity I enjoy about old cars. Go to any drag strip USA, the carb'd cars are still the fastest. With an LSx the major advantage would be driveability, mpg and so forth. This is a toy for me, it only goes to the beach and pleasure cruising now and then. I really don't care so much if it only gets 5-10 mpg. It just has to look/sound good and shove me in my seat when I hit the gas. :)

gdwriter
11-25-10, 02:02 PM
I agree on the simplicity of old engines, and if it's set up correctly, driveability is fine. No, Betty doesn't always fire up immediately and may stall when the engine is cold, but it's not any big deal. I did modernize with the THM700R4 when the Powerglide was dying, but it doesn't feel much different to drive, and I do like how the RPMs have dropped 800-1000 at highway speeds.

ga_etc
11-25-10, 03:46 PM
+ 1 more vote for the simplicity front. That's what I love about the Roadmaster. It's just a straight forward old car. The most complicated electronics on it is the climate control. I really and truly love the Eldorado too, but both cars have completely different personalities. I love the driving dynamics of the Eldo and the instant on demand power of the N*, not to mention the sound it makes. It is eat up with electronics though. I bet there's 2 miles worth of wiring in that car. I feel very safe in the car, but there is something to be said for a car that you can work on in the driveway.

DouglasJRizzo
11-27-10, 07:56 PM
That Suburban is pretty straight. Unusual as Chevys are usually rust buckets and riddled with holes - particularly trucks of this series. I'd seriously think about upgrading the Suburban to Cadillac power, like a built 472 and have something that can really haul the weight.

Destroyer
11-27-10, 10:53 PM
Here are some more pics of the car today. I gutted the interior, patched a couple of small holes and am waiting for my paint guy to be ready. The side molding are off the car, it has no motor/trans/interior in it. It looks absolutely pathetic and I cannot wait till its running again. :crying2::cool2:

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Stingroo
11-28-10, 01:15 AM
Wheels are still bitchin'.

:)

greencadillacmatt
11-28-10, 01:50 AM
^That = Truth

97EldoCoupe
11-28-10, 04:23 PM
Nostalgia is great- but this day in age, especially in Canada where fuel is around $1.00/liter ($3.78 per gallon), fuel economy is a great thing to have along with good acceleration.

If you can have the best of both worlds, fuel economy and good acceleration, it's worth any changes that are necessary. 700-R4s are a great way to help older vehicles achieve this. 3.06:1 1st, and a .70 OD. The 200 4R is a .67 O.D., which may help even a bit more -and some, if not most of those transmissions were unicase.

I had a 403 4bbl, headers, and a 200-4R in my '85 Parisienne. Passing power was plentiful, so was tire-roasting torque, and fuel economy was around 18-20 MPG if I managed to keep foot out of the throttle.....

Right now I'd gladly trade off that 455 of mine for another 403. Something about that oversquare bore made it pretty efficient, even with that low compression ratio.

Destroyer I'd normally have to say "keep the Olds in it" but really, it seems you're making a wise choice. That 383 should move that Olds.....

Stingroo
11-28-10, 05:01 PM
Holy shit $3.87 a gallon? That sucks. I paid $2.75 this morning.

billc83
11-28-10, 05:55 PM
^ That's because Florida is so close to the Gulf of Mexico...

ga_etc
11-28-10, 06:13 PM
Regular down the street from my house is currently $2.66 a gallon. Premium is $2.92, of which I think I'm fixing to go buy about $50 worth. The Eldo needs a drink...

Destroyer
11-28-10, 09:17 PM
Nostalgia is great- but this day in age, especially in Canada where fuel is around $1.00/liter ($3.78 per gallon), fuel economy is a great thing to have along with good acceleration.

Destroyer I'd normally have to say "keep the Olds in it" but really, it seems you're making a wise choice. That 383 should move that Olds.....Well gas is a bit cheaper here but it makes no difference. Having owned many carb'd and many fuel injected V8's, I can honestly say the gas mileage is not THAT far off. Not like many think. Stock carb'd V8's really were not bad on gas. What I'm putting in the car is a different story, it wont be good on gas and I couldn't care less if it only gets 2 mpg. It isn't my daily driver and will just be a toy.

Submariner409
11-29-10, 08:16 AM
Right now I'd gladly trade off that 455 of mine for another 403. Something about that oversquare bore made it pretty efficient, even with that low compression ratio.

There ain't no substitute for cubic inches.................ol' Destroyer is gonna love the 383.

You've seen this before....Olds 455 bored to 461 with some tricks.

Destroyer
11-29-10, 08:46 AM
There ain't no substitute for cubic inches.................ol' Destroyer is gonna love the 383.

You've seen this before....Olds 455 bored to 461 with some tricks.

My last '67 had a 461 Olds:

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/misc/67Cutlass70455.jpg

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greencadillacmatt
11-29-10, 02:48 PM
^That is one of the coolest colors for that bodystyle I think I have ever seen. :drool:

Destroyer
11-29-10, 09:22 PM
^That is one of the coolest colors for that bodystyle I think I have ever seen. :drool:I sold that car in 1999. It was a reluctant sale, I needed the money to make a real estate investment which did extremely well for me but I really miss that car and my current one has yet to fill the void. The good news is that my current car is in better shape than what I started out with the last time. It isn't going to be a Candy color this time as my taste has changed and I like low key colors more. The color it is being painted is a Ford color called Dark Shadow Grey metallic. Same color that was on my supercharged '04 Mach 1.

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Destroyer
12-01-10, 11:34 PM
Another update. Bodywork has begun and the car should be painted by Sunday:

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ga_etc
12-02-10, 12:18 AM
She's progressing pretty quickly. :thumbsup: Also, I really like those wheels on the Mach 1. Were those factory? I don't think I've ever seen them before.

Destroyer
12-02-10, 07:40 AM
She's progressing pretty quickly. :thumbsup: Also, I really like those wheels on the Mach 1. Were those factory? I don't think I've ever seen them before.The wheels on the Mach didn't come with the car but they were factory wheels found on Anniversary '03 Cobra's.

ga_etc
12-02-10, 09:09 AM
Cool. I saw the Cobra logo, just wasn't sure.

Destroyer
12-11-10, 11:13 PM
Well it finally got painted. I only stuck around till the 1st base coat was put on but you get the idea. After the clear coat is done it will be wet sanded tomorrow. :cool2:

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97EldoCoupe
12-11-10, 11:41 PM
Lookin good so far. Are the body guys going to do the door jambs and such as well? When I did my Parisienne I removed the trunk lid, hood, fenders and such but I did a color change too - (deeper blue) - when it was done you couldn't tell too easily it wasn't the factory color.

Love that Olds :-)

Destroyer
12-11-10, 11:56 PM
Lookin good so far. Are the body guys going to do the door jambs and such as well? When I did my Parisienne I removed the trunk lid, hood, fenders and such but I did a color change too - (deeper blue) - when it was done you couldn't tell too easily it wasn't the factory color.

Love that Olds :-)
What's up Jake? Yeah the jambs and under the hood/trunk are done too. Certain things I wanted to get done did not get done because I need to get the car out of my shop. The wait for the cowl induction hood is 4-6 weeks and I would have liked to put the motor/trans in first but I'll get to it next week. The guys painting the car are good friends and if anyone around the Tampa, Florida area needs a good paint job at a damn good price I can hook you up with these guys. :thumbsup:

Stingroo
12-12-10, 12:01 AM
I do!

Too bad I can't afford it :(

Destroyer
12-12-10, 12:23 AM
I do!

Too bad I can't afford it :(
Bet you can afford it. I'm getting all this done for under $1k. That is a crazy price and it included all bodywork , paint and wet sanding. :cookoo:

97EldoCoupe
12-12-10, 12:29 AM
For that price I just might take my Caddy down there - and visit a warmer part of the world at the same time - don't tempt me Destroyer.....

Stingroo
12-12-10, 12:39 AM
Holy sh*t really?

No. No no. Don't tempt me. I'm redoing my suspension first. Paint is next year, damn it!

God that's tempting though....

Playdrv4me
12-12-10, 12:51 AM
That is a RIDICULOUS price for that amount of work. Mentally bookmarked!

Destroyer
12-12-10, 12:51 AM
Holy sh*t really?

No. No no. Don't tempt me. I'm redoing my suspension first. Paint is next year, damn it!

God that's tempting though....
If you want the phone number of the guys doing the job (both named Mike and both cool as hell) just let me know. So far I am impressed! Just last week they did a '50's Mercedes Gullwing. Full time body/paint guys and their prices are great! :D

Destroyer
12-12-10, 12:57 AM
That is a RIDICULOUS price for that amount of work. Mentally bookmarked!
Yeah it is. They spent about 13 hours working on it tonight in addition to the several hours before. So far I have nothing but good things to say about them except that they sometimes don't show up on time. I would not come here giving these hard working guys props if I wasn't impressed by their work and price! :cool2::bonkers:

ben.gators
12-12-10, 02:35 AM
Destroyer
:histeric::histeric::histeric:

I had a very funny misunderstanding of your first post!
It is 12:15 AM here and I am so tired that instead of fully reading the posts I just skim them to get some idea....

Here is what I skimmed from your post "I have been trying to upgrade my ride, I bought this 84 truck:
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and this car should go:
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"
What the hell.... you replaced a very nice classic Olds with an stupid 84 truck?!?!..... and I was comparing the pics of olds and truck trying to digest this replacement..... But more I compare them, the more I went into shock

Also I took a look to the other posted responses, and all were admiring the truck..... !!! What?! Why aren't people blaming you for replacing a classic olds with an stupid truck?

Finally my eyes caught the terms "donor" and "scrapping the truck" and I returned back and read the main post and realized the story.... :D

I seriously need to go and sleep... :D

ben.gators
12-12-10, 03:04 AM
Wow, 1k$... That is ridiculously cheap! I have a 600$ quote for paining my rear bumper which needs no bodywork.... And I have a 1400$ quote for an medium sized blemish in my driver side fender which needs some bodywork and paint.... and by the way, what is that wet sanding after clear coat?

ben.gators
12-12-10, 03:06 AM
Hum, what are these aftermarket gauges and buttons for?
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billc83
12-12-10, 07:34 AM
Destroyer you are rockin' along. If the Brick was going as well as this, I'd be a happy camper.

Lupin
12-12-10, 08:11 AM
Where in Florida is this shop? Can you send me their information? I need some work done as well.

Destroyer
12-12-10, 08:39 PM
Where in Florida is this shop? Can you send me their information? I need some work done as well.After the way the car turned out I want to withdraw my recommendation for these guys. They tried hard and the temperature was out of their control but the car has many runs in the paint and I am not happy about it, even for the low price I paid. I know painting in cold temperatures (about 50-55 degrees) is not good but they assured me it would be fine. They were wrong. They will try to fix most of it by wet sanding but I know it cannot fully be fixed and there will be noticeable imperfections. Here's some pics of the car painted and with the clear coat. I love this color and think it looks great on the car I just wish the job turned out better. I am being too anal about it for what I paid and I know that.

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Stingroo
12-12-10, 11:35 PM
I'd have to see close ups. I've also got terrible vision, so I probably wouldn't be able to see it. Color looks sweet.

Destroyer
12-12-10, 11:41 PM
Hum, what are these aftermarket gauges and buttons for?
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http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/PB051298.jpg

Too funny!!! No I didn't decide to swap out my ragtop Olds for an '84 Suburban even though I think it was a good rust free example of the breed.

The aftermarket gauges were just that: aftermarket gauges. Tach, oil pressure, temp gauge and volt gauge. All will be re used in my car. The buttons were for the electric fan and a kill switch. One of the switches wasn't used for anything. :cool2:

orconn
12-12-10, 11:45 PM
Sorry to hear about the defects in the paint job. Hope it can be sorted out to your satisfaction. I like the color on the car, its' nice to see one done in a more "mature" color for a change!

Playdrv4me
12-13-10, 01:52 AM
While I would whole heartedly agree with your disappointment on my prized classic car, I still bet those guys would be just fine and cheap if I wanted a simple job... say repainting a door or a hood on my Caddy etc. So I don't think the recommendation was bad.

Aron9000
12-13-10, 02:40 AM
While I would whole heartedly agree with your disappointment on my prized classic car, I still bet those guys would be just fine and cheap if I wanted a simple job... say repainting a door or a hood on my Caddy etc. So I don't think the recommendation was bad.

Yeah there is a world of different expectations for your daily driver and your classic weekend cruiser when it comes to body/paint work.

Destroyer
12-13-10, 08:42 AM
While I would whole heartedly agree with your disappointment on my prized classic car, I still bet those guys would be just fine and cheap if I wanted a simple job... say repainting a door or a hood on my Caddy etc. So I don't think the recommendation was bad.They CAN paint but they should not have done it till it got warmer or were able to locate a heated spray booth. The paint was not cooperating. When I remind myself how little I paid for the job and look at it again, I feel better. :cool2:

Stingroo
12-13-10, 01:39 PM
Well hell, I wouldn't be painting my car until the summer anyway. Soooo.... :D

ben.gators
12-21-10, 10:18 PM
Any update Destroyer? :D

ga_etc
12-22-10, 05:17 AM
The car is coming along quite well. Sorry that the paint isn't quite the quality you were hoping for though. It still looks good in the pics, so maybe just don't let anyone get too close to it to nitpick the paint :D. I like the color on it too, but I'm a little surprised, somehow the grey makes it look longer to me.

Destroyer
12-22-10, 07:39 AM
No real updates. The guys started to wet sand and buff it. Many of the mistakes are being buffed away but I'm waiting to see it fully done. Other than that the project has come to a grinding halt till all the parts come in and I get the warehouse next to me to finish it next month. :bigroll:

billc83
12-22-10, 08:51 AM
Somehow I'm reminded of Milhouse from The Simpsons trying to explain to Bart what he loves so much about kissing his new girlfriend. To paraphrase:

"It's not just the kissing. You know when you get an Eskimo Pie, and you wait just a little bit for the ice cream to melt."

Sometimes having to wait makes the passion stronger.

Destroyer
12-24-10, 12:10 AM
Somehow I'm reminded of Milhouse from The Simpsons trying to explain to Bart what he loves so much about kissing his new girlfriend. To paraphrase:

"It's not just the kissing. You know when you get an Eskimo Pie, and you wait just a little bit for the ice cream to melt."

Sometimes having to wait makes the passion stronger.I hope it works out that way. The car was a perfectly good cruiser that always got thumbs up and comments of the sort and somehow I turned it into a resto-mod project. Anyway, the Oldsmobile community absolutely despises me for putting a "Chevy" motor in it but logically speaking, it was the easiest way to get big hp for little (or nothing in my case) money. Today the guys finished wet sanding and buffing it. I have to say it came out looking sweet, especially when you consider how cheap it was. I did pay them substantially more than they asked simply because of the amount of work they put into it and because I'm just that way. I'll post some pics of it tomorrow. :thumbsup:

ga_etc
12-24-10, 01:24 AM
Looking forward to it. Glad it's not a disaster after all.

johnny kannapo
12-24-10, 03:20 AM
Without reading threw the thread......Olds big block power can't be denied. Oldsmobile had cross over manifold exhaust that had to be eliminated but they were screamers. The hottest motor was in the TORNADO in 1969. Free manifolds pumping EX. I don't know about W30 ,W31 69 Toro was 400hp+ It was all plus those days. 428 Fords were rated 330hp but did 600HP with very little help. All of the underrated HP & more important TQ.

This is a SOHC 389 Pontiac, You Know this is 500hp underrated

http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz183/billytheshoe/cammer/ca6a01b2.jpg

ben.gators
12-24-10, 03:49 AM
I hope it works out that way. The car was a perfectly good cruiser that always got thumbs up and comments of the sort and somehow I turned it into a resto-mod project. Anyway, the Oldsmobile community absolutely despises me for putting a "Chevy" motor in it but logically speaking, it was the easiest way to get big hp for little (or nothing in my case) money. Today the guys finished wet sanding and buffing it. I have to say it came out looking sweet, especially when you consider how cheap it was. I did pay them substantially more than they asked simply because of the amount of work they put into it and because I'm just that way. I'll post some pics of it tomorrow. :thumbsup:

Glad to read that at the end you are happy with the paint job.... I have not seen the pics of the car after sanding/ buffing, however just based on your description I wish I was in florida to ask those guy to fix the paint blemishes of my STS....

johnny kannapo
12-24-10, 04:36 AM
http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz183/billytheshoe/cammer/06b44a50.jpg

Destroyer
12-24-10, 08:03 PM
Glad to read that at the end you are happy with the paint job.... I have not seen the pics of the car after sanding/ buffing, however just based on your description I wish I was in florida to ask those guy to fix the paint blemishes of my STS....

Well, here are some pics. My paint guys came through and were able to sand and buff away most of the problems that really concerned me like runs and dirt in the paint from a crappy spray booth. Car turned out really well. I still have to put the chrome back on but this is what it looks like now.

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/PC241494.jpg

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Destroyer
12-24-10, 08:11 PM
Without reading threw the thread......Olds big block power can't be denied. Oldsmobile had cross over manifold exhaust that had to be eliminated but they were screamers.
I do not deny that. I would prefer to have kept it Olds powered but I cheesed out and am putting a Chevy in it. The Chevy is much cheaper to build, yes, but that isn't the only reason why I am doing it. I like the parts availability of the Chevy and the aftermarket support associated with a Chevy. I went with a '70 .30 over 455 on my last '67 coupe. Loved it but it was an unwanted PITA to get parts for and the car was a bit nose heavy because of the motor. :cookoo:

Destroyer
01-20-11, 08:13 PM
Minor update. The motor/trans are finally in the car. Interior will go in next. Starting to look a little less like a project and more like a car again. Got the bumper and chrome trim on too. Amazing how dusty and dirty it got in my warehouse over the last few months. I have not had the time to work on it and I'd like to get it done soon. Anyway here's a pic or 2 of the motor in the car. :cool:

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/P1201712.jpg

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Stingroo
01-20-11, 08:44 PM
Do want. :(

ben.gators
01-20-11, 10:10 PM
OK, how do you mount the engine? You built your own mounts? Did you use the cradle that that you got from Chev or used the old Pontiac cradle?

Aron9000
01-21-11, 05:43 AM
Still going to say its a bastard. I know why you did the BBC, but IMO I would've just stuck with the olds motor and just made it a nice cruiser. I know horsepower on the cheap and simple was the goal, but IMO that was too nice of a car to hack up, I would've kept it numbers matching and factory original color.

Something about an all original car, or one restored to stock specs just appeals to me, even if it isn't the most awesome combo the factory offered.

But as the saying goes, "to each their own", and its your car. Your mods are at least very tasteful, if not my style.

Destroyer
01-21-11, 11:32 AM
OK, how do you mount the engine? You built your own mounts? Did you use the cradle that that you got from Chev or used the old Pontiac cradle? I removed the bottom motor mounts from the crossmember and installed 2 mounts from Summit racing that were made to swap a Chevy into an Olds. Those mounts were only $61 shipped. They sell mounting kits like this to install LSx motors too. I will think about an LSx 6 speed conversion in the future as it sounds easier than I expected. Once that was done it was a simple drop in. Remember that the Cutlass, Chevelle, GTO, and Buick GS were all basically the same car. The 700r4 went in easily too. I had to drill 1 new hole in the transmission crossmember and move it forward an inch or 2 and it went right in.

Destroyer
01-21-11, 11:40 AM
Still going to say its a bastard. I know why you did the BBC, but IMO I would've just stuck with the olds motor and just made it a nice cruiser. I know horsepower on the cheap and simple was the goal, but IMO that was too nice of a car to hack up, I would've kept it numbers matching and factory original color.

Something about an all original car, or one restored to stock specs just appeals to me, even if it isn't the most awesome combo the factory offered.

But as the saying goes, "to each their own", and its your car. Your mods are at least very tasteful, if not my style.Actually this is a SBC not a BBC. I don't like keeping them stock, never did. Even though it had a small Olds motor dropping in a Chevy still removed at least 100lbs from the front end. I grew up reading Hot Rod and Car Craft magazines. I really have no interest in "matching numbers" and all that. Aside from the cost factor of building an Olds there is also the scarcity of parts and it's frustrating to deal with. I have respect for people that believe these old cars should be kept stock but they have no respect for my point of view, lol. This whole post would have been banned in most Olds forums. It's just stupid. :cool2:

Aron9000
01-22-11, 01:26 AM
If you really want to know how anal I am about keeping it stock, I think I'm going to have the stock tape/cd player for my Caddy sent out to be fixed. I got an aftermarket JVC in there now that sounds great and hooks up with my i-pod, but it drives me nuts that is not the factory original. Plus the single DIN radio looks like crap in the double DIN opening.

I'm all about modding newer cars(my Camaros weren't stock) but I really just hate hacking up older original cars. I mean its survived 40+ years in its relatively original state from the factory, why change it? Now if its not numbers matching, or already hacked up, let the mods begin.:lildevil:

Destroyer
01-22-11, 11:00 PM
If you really want to know how anal I am about keeping it stock, I think I'm going to have the stock tape/cd player for my Caddy sent out to be fixed. I got an aftermarket JVC in there now that sounds great and hooks up with my i-pod, but it drives me nuts that is not the factory original. Plus the single DIN radio looks like crap in the double DIN opening.

I'm all about modding newer cars(my Camaros weren't stock) but I really just hate hacking up older original cars. I mean its survived 40+ years in its relatively original state from the factory, why change it? Now if its not numbers matching, or already hacked up, let the mods begin.:lildevil:You can put an aftermarket double din in the Caddy. My car was a great cruiser in stock form with a decent "punch" when the gas was hit but it started to bore me. I didn't "hack" anything up. It can easily go back to stock or have another Olds motor put in it. Hacking to me is cutting or modifying something to the point where it is not possible to bring back. A motor mount change and its done.

Playdrv4me
01-23-11, 02:33 AM
I agree with D, so long as the original parts are retained and the thing can be put back to stock, have at it. At that point it's a "resto-mod" that respects the original, and resto-mods still go for BIG money in some cases.

greencadillacmatt
01-23-11, 02:56 AM
I might have "hacked" my Cadillac just a little bit (in respects to the engine mounts) but it was to get rid of the blown HT4100. I think that's justified. :P

Destroyer
01-23-11, 11:38 PM
I might have "hacked" my Cadillac just a little bit (in respects to the engine mounts) but it was to get rid of the blown HT4100. I think that's justified. :P
Put a 572 Chevy in it and you will be a hero over here. Not the same in "Olds" forums. I think we have a bit more of a realistic crowd in here. I've seen N* Cadillacs with transplanted Buick S/C 3800's swap in here with good response. I've seen a RWD 572 Chevy in a '00- Deville greeted with open arms. It's all about making your car better in all regards. A motor that is easier and cheaper to fix and maintain is aces with me. A drivetrain that has massive aftermarket support, cheap maintenance and unrivaled performance for a massively discounted price, is my master. :lildevil:

greencadillacmatt
01-24-11, 12:05 AM
Put a 572 Chevy in it and you will be a hero over here. Not the same in "Olds" forums.

Ha, the funny thing is, I put an Olds engine in it!

Aron9000
01-24-11, 03:51 AM
I might have "hacked" my Cadillac just a little bit (in respects to the engine mounts) but it was to get rid of the blown HT4100. I think that's justified. :P

I think Cadillac hacked it up from the factory with the HT4100. I see no shame in putting any sort of better GM v8 in cars equipped with boat anchor emissions motors(ie 305 carbed chevys, 307 olds, HT4100, 301 Pontiacs, etc), regardless if its division correct.

Destroyer
01-24-11, 07:52 AM
Ha, the funny thing is, I put an Olds engine in it!
Oldsmobile motors are great reliable motors just pricey and tricky to build up.

greencadillacmatt
01-24-11, 11:12 PM
^ Yes, I found that out first hand! Fortunately Comp made a cam/valvetrain kit for mine. It was more expensive than a Chevy, but I think it's a great fit for my car. Can't wait to fire it up this spring!

Destroyer
02-07-11, 08:10 PM
Progressing ever so slowly but finally got the motor done, now I need to get it to an exhaust shop for the dual exhaust and flowmasters. Did a custom dash install which I think is looking good. Installed a floor shifter, new carpet and put in a box with 2 12's and hooked up 3 amps. Tomorrow I'll have the Mercedes power seats installed and hopefully all the gauges working etc..........

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/P2071767.jpg

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drewsdeville
02-07-11, 08:17 PM
Are you planning on adding A/C or going without it?

It's a convertible and all, but FL humidity without A/C has to SUCK.

Destroyer
02-07-11, 09:18 PM
Are you planning on adding A/C or going without it?

It's a convertible and all, but FL humidity without A/C has to SUCK.I decided to do away with the A/C. Car had all the components sans the compressor but it wasn't working. I really don't need it cause I will use the car mainly for going to the beach and cruising on nice days only. I did the dash this way because I didn't need the old A/C controls, vents or the center speaker in the dash. I did need a nice set of instrumentation to monitor the vital functions of the motor...........:cool2:

ThumperPup
02-07-11, 09:42 PM
nice ride but color choices look more like a depressing rental car interior looks nice but just dark and gloomy so far

Destroyer
02-07-11, 09:57 PM
nice ride but color choices look more like a depressing rental car interior looks nice but just dark and gloomy so farBet you think it would look better in "fruity yellow"? :bouncy:

ThumperPup
02-07-11, 10:27 PM
nope just not a depressing rental car color

Destroyer
02-07-11, 10:29 PM
nope just not a depressing rental car color
Gotcha! It'll be Bentley red next time. :yup: Actually I am more of a white, silver, gray and black kind of guy. All are technically not colors at all. Dark and gloomy is the look I was shooting for. It will probably get less attention in this color combo than it did when it was red and white.

ThumperPup
02-07-11, 10:30 PM
Gotcha! It'll be Bentley red next time. :yup:



u know thats not a bad color to go with but u might want to try pink i think it suits you more

Destroyer
02-07-11, 10:32 PM
u know thats not a bad color to go with but u might want to try pink i think it suits you more
I'm applying with Mary Kay as we speak. :lildevil:

Destroyer
02-16-11, 09:35 PM
It is finally running/driving and complete. Just a few minor adjustments need to be made. Got it back from the exhaust shop yesterday where they installed dual exhaust (2.5") with H-pipe and Flowmaster mufflers. They did a great job! Today was the first time I drove it since I started this project back in November. I had a blast driving it home. Sounds like a muscle car should at the stop lights now. Feels like a completely different car in every respect except the brakes which still suck, lol. It was sweet laying a big patch of rubber with it, first time I COULD do that since I've had it. Disc brake conversion with 2" drop spindles and front end rebuild next..........it never ends!

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/P2161874.jpg

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/P2161878.jpg

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The engine bay before:

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greencadillacmatt
02-16-11, 09:44 PM
^Bitchin'

ga_etc
02-16-11, 09:54 PM
Looks great now that it's all back together! Get some beauty shots to really show her off. A video letting us hear her new heart wouldn't be bad either.

Stingroo
02-16-11, 09:56 PM
Yeah uh... I want this car. Badly.

billc83
02-16-11, 10:14 PM
Destroyer, it looks great! You'll have plenty of fun during the spring and summer (and Floridian autumn and winter, for that matter).

Are those aftermarket seats?

Destroyer
02-16-11, 10:18 PM
Destroyer, it looks great! You'll have plenty of fun during the spring and summer (and Floridian autumn and winter, for that matter).

Are those aftermarket seats?
The seats are from an '87 Mercedes 300E. I thought they'd go well with the car. They are powered as well. Much comfier than the stock seats that didn't even recline.

orconn
02-16-11, 11:16 PM
I thought those seats looked familiar. The Olds looks great!

Playdrv4me
02-17-11, 01:08 AM
Wow that came together really nicely.

billc83
02-17-11, 07:54 AM
The seats are from an '87 Mercedes 300E. I thought they'd go well with the car. They are powered as well. Much comfier than the stock seats that didn't even recline.

I hear you there. I just ordered a pair of Corbeau seats two weeks ago; the Bricklin seats were damn uncomfortable and didn't recline either. The Mercedes seats don't go bad with the car, but they just looked off to me (I could definently tell they weren't stock).

Destroyer
02-17-11, 08:27 AM
I hear you there. I just ordered a pair of Corbeau seats two weeks ago; the Bricklin seats were damn uncomfortable and didn't recline either. The Mercedes seats don't go bad with the car, but they just looked off to me (I could definently tell they weren't stock). The stock seats in this car were terrible. They didn't go back nearly far enough and to make matters worse the original steering wheel was huge. No matter what I did my knees would hit the steering. Had to take care of that. I went with the MB seats because they are vinyl (MB Tex) like the rest of the interior and are spring seats like the rears. I think they look pretty good in there. They are a bit higher that the stock seats and I didn't pay attention to that before putting them in, still not bad though. Here is a pic of the stock interior. Aside from the dash cluster, front seats and carpet, it still has that whole interior. I just repainted it with SEM paint.

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z251/AstrocreepVIII/CarLinterior.jpg

Stingroo
02-17-11, 08:34 AM
Gotta love SEM. That's my spring break project. I have a center console ready to go into the wagon and a few other goodies that need to be sprayed to match.

I really love the new dash.

Destroyer
02-17-11, 08:45 PM
Gotta love SEM. That's my spring break project. I have a center console ready to go into the wagon and a few other goodies that need to be sprayed to match.

I really love the new dash.I am definitely a fan of SEM products. One would never think the end result was a rattle can job. The seats feel and look like factory dyed material. I swear by this stuff. Make sure to use the correct SEM vinyl prep before using. :thumbsup:

Aron9000
02-19-11, 01:10 AM
I like the Benz seats, they look really nice in there. Although I'm more of a bench seat and column shift sort of guy, makes date nights a lot more fun.:eyebrow:

greencadillacmatt
02-20-11, 01:12 AM
although i'm more of a bench seat and column shift sort of guy, makes date nights a lot more fun.:eyebrow:

^this ;)

Destroyer
02-20-11, 10:53 PM
I like the Benz seats, they look really nice in there. Although I'm more of a bench seat and column shift sort of guy, makes date nights a lot more fun.:eyebrow:Heh, I'm married with children. "Date night" ended a long time ago..............:mad::thumbsup: