: Nav/radio ipod hook-up help



LazyPaddyB
10-25-10, 09:46 PM
Ok, so I have another question, and this forum is very helpful. So I want to hook-up my Ipod and or android evo to my radio. Its not very common, but i can find the composite cable with the 3.5 mm jack hook up. When i hook this up, will it display the song and artist? and will it play and vidoes or movies through this opion as well. Or any ideas or tips on how to incorperate my phone or ipod for better overall experience. Thanks again

RippyPartsDept
10-25-10, 09:57 PM
when using an aux input (the headphone jack) no data is transmitted, only audio
you'll have to hook up via usb to get the track info... and that isn't so easy - unless you have a nav unit w/ usb (which i doubt since you're asking this question)

LazyPaddyB
10-26-10, 02:56 AM
ok..thanks

EChas3
10-26-10, 12:08 PM
The Aux inputs will support 480i video. To get displays, you need an add-in module. There are some out there but none that also support video (I think they all take control of the XM interface.)

RippyPartsDept
10-26-10, 06:18 PM
and fyi
now that i think about this a tad bit more i do recall a usb enabled radio that wasn't nav

i know it probably doesn't help, but just so that there's no confusion if figured i would post this (slight) correction to my earlier statement

LazyPaddyB
10-26-10, 09:28 PM
ok...so basically i can only hook-up my ipod (red and white composite) since i dont have the model with the usb, and get the music, but no vidio or song/artist display on the monitor(head unit)..and once again thanks for your guys(and gals if thats the case) info.

EChas3
10-27-10, 09:56 PM
To get song/artist/track display you'd need an add-in module like Pacific Accessories Corp. uPAC-STS. It (and similar from other sources) includes a docking cable that charges your iPod and will do it all except play ideo.

RippyPartsDept
10-27-10, 11:48 PM
thanks EChas3, i'm not good with aftermarket stuff

EChas3
10-28-10, 11:43 PM
thanks EChas3, i'm not good with aftermarket stuff

Thanks, but I'm a terrible typest (or my letters keep disappearing). (V)ideo!

rzambrano
10-28-10, 11:50 PM
Thanks, but I'm a terrible typest (or my letters keep disappearing). (V)ideo!

:rofl:

roblinds
12-16-10, 12:33 PM
hey RIPPY PARTs....... i still cant get an awnser on this --- how do you hook up an ipod directly to the stock radio--- NO NAVIGATION....... it does have XM so isnt there an interface some where i can tap in with a cable? i dont car about info just want direct audio ....( fm transmitter sucks) please adivise.... thank you ! Rob......

roblinds
12-16-10, 12:39 PM
Neo Gateway - ISGM574
2007 CADILLAC STS looks like that is what i need

RippyPartsDept
12-16-10, 02:17 PM
I'm not really sure ... we don't do that stuff in-house (actually we don't really do that stuff very much at all)

i'm going to have to refer you to the rest of the forum on this one

TIGERTOY
12-21-10, 09:23 AM
iSimple makes an interface for the STS radios w/or w/o NAV. It is model # ISGM574. Sells for $189 and I am thinking of trying it myself.

Frikiton
12-26-10, 07:26 AM
iSimple makes an interface for the STS radios w/or w/o NAV. It is model # ISGM574. Sells for $189 and I am thinking of trying it myself.

Let me know how it works out for you, I have the 06 STS w/ Nav and am looking for a full integration as well

txbest1980
12-26-10, 11:50 AM
my question on this topic is this, will just a lock pick work if you have the RCA connections in the arm rest so you can see song title and artist? also, would you be able to control the ipod through the radio with the lock pick with this same set up? or do i need something else?

EChas3
12-27-10, 01:25 AM
A Lockpick enables viewing the analog video (yellow RCA jack when Nav Aux input selected) with the car in motion. I am not aware of any integration add-in that provides control of an iPod from the radio knobs or Nav screen while in Aux input mode.

I'd have to get a better explaination of how it works to be interested in buying it.

txbest1980
12-27-10, 11:03 AM
maybe tomm will log in and can explain this a little better

sba300
12-30-10, 12:14 AM
If you want to control your ipod/iphone from the stereo, use the uPac-STS. If you want to view videos from ipod/iphone on stock nav screen "in-motion", you will need the lockpick.

However, if you have RCA connections in the storage bin under the armrest, then just get an apple composite cable or equivalent, and go from there. The apple composite cable breaks from a dock connector into yellow (video), red and white (audio) RCA connectors and a usb cable for charging. I use a 2.1amp (for ipad charging) ultra-slim usb charger in the storage bin to charge my iphone through the composite cable while it plays music over the auxiliary RCA ports. Also, if you want to take this route, be sure to get a ground-loop isolator between the RCA connectors of the composite cable and the RCA inputs in the storage bin. This will get rid of the annoying hissing background noise that comes up when you're trying to play music from a CHARGING ipod/iphone.

If you have the RCA connectors in the storage bin under the armrest, it is highly likely that you have the nav unit (I might be wrong), and consequently bluetooth. If you're using an iPhone 3G or later with this setup, simply switch to aux (Audio/Video In) to play music from your iphone, and subsequently to bluetooth, and leave it at that. If you want to play a particular playlist, songs by an artist, or simply dial out, press and hold the home button on the iphone to bring up the voice control. If your phone is connected to the bluetooth system in the car, the voice prompt will be heard over the mono speaker, and the built-in mic in the car will pick up your command (so you don't have to speak into your phone). Say "Play artist Linkin Park", "Play playlist Hybrid Theory", or "Call Jessica Alba". Voice dialing like this using your iphone's phonebook will essentially negate usage of the phonebook feature in the nav system, and you won't have to stop the car to dial using the keypad on the screen (nav or iphone screen). Enjoy.

Frikiton
12-30-10, 03:11 PM
If you want to control your ipod/iphone from the stereo, use the uPac-STS. If you want to view videos from ipod/iphone on stock nav screen "in-motion", you will need the lockpick.

However, if you have RCA connections in the storage bin under the armrest, then just get an apple composite cable or equivalent, and go from there. The apple composite cable breaks from a dock connector into yellow (video), red and white (audio) RCA connectors and a usb cable for charging. I use a 2.1amp (for ipad charging) ultra-slim usb charger in the storage bin to charge my iphone through the composite cable while it plays music over the auxiliary RCA ports. Also, if you want to take this route, be sure to get a ground-loop isolator between the RCA connectors of the composite cable and the RCA inputs in the storage bin. This will get rid of the annoying hissing background noise that comes up when you're trying to play music from a CHARGING ipod/iphone.

If you have the RCA connectors in the storage bin under the armrest, it is highly likely that you have the nav unit (I might be wrong), and consequently bluetooth. If you're using an iPhone 3G or later with this setup, simply switch to aux (Audio/Video In) to play music from your iphone, and subsequently to bluetooth, and leave it at that. If you want to play a particular playlist, songs by an artist, or simply dial out, press and hold the home button on the iphone to bring up the voice control. If your phone is connected to the bluetooth system in the car, the voice prompt will be heard over the mono speaker, and the built-in mic in the car will pick up your command (so you don't have to speak into your phone). Say "Play artist Linkin Park", "Play playlist Hybrid Theory", or "Call Jessica Alba". Voice dialing like this using your iphone's phonebook will essentially negate usage of the phonebook feature in the nav system, and you won't have to stop the car to dial using the keypad on the screen (nav or iphone screen). Enjoy.

wow thanks for the info, im lucky to have navigation on mine guess im getting that uPac-STS with the yellow, white cable

sba300
12-30-10, 03:38 PM
The one problem I foresee with integrated units is with compatibility once you upgrade your device. I had installed a similar unit several years back in my 2000 ford focus, and sadly it was not compatible with anything that came after the iphone 2g. This may not even be a problem to the rest of you guys though.

In terms of cost, the uPAC-sts will run around 100 bucks (yes?), and my current setup cost me 20 bucks for a non-apple composite cable, 15 bucks for the ground loop isolator, and 10 bucks for the 2.1amp usb charger. For under 50 bucks, I can get video and audio on my stock nav screen from both my charging iphone and ipad (probably won't need video out from ipad to nav screen). The quality is great.

If you do not have a nav unit in your car, your only option will be to get the uPAC-sts. Good luck.

Frikiton
12-30-10, 03:51 PM
The one problem I foresee with integrated units is with compatibility once you upgrade your device. I had installed a similar unit several years back in my 2000 ford focus, and sadly it was not compatible with anything that came after the iphone 2g. This may not even be a problem to the rest of you guys though.

In terms of cost, the uPAC-sts will run around 100 bucks (yes?), and my current setup cost me 20 bucks for a non-apple composite cable, 15 bucks for the ground loop isolator, and 10 bucks for the 2.1amp usb charger. For under 50 bucks, I can get video and audio on my stock nav screen from both my charging iphone and ipad (probably won't need video out from ipad to nav screen). The quality is great.

If you do not have a nav unit in your car, your only option will be to get the uPAC-sts. Good luck.

I just checked the uPac-STS thats def for folks without Nav .. so yes I want to control my iPod/iPhone3G via my radio controls .. and connect it via the RCA storage under my armrest but you listed so many different things that I have no idea of or how to install. I thought it was a simple red, white yellow cable connected and then one to power for usb.

sba300
12-30-10, 04:04 PM
Oops sorry. Well first of all, if you connect the ipod/iphone through RCA, you won't be able to control it with your radio controls. You can only use volume controls on your radio. However, you can still control your ipod/iphone manually to select for music. Also if you have a compatible iphone, you can use voice control over BT to navigate through your music or make calls.

The parts I used for my RCA hook-up:
Apple composite cable (http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Apple-Composite-AV-Cable-Model-MB129LL-/320635273212?pt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item4aa759fffc#ht_500wt_951)
Radioshack ground loop isolator (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062214)
Kensington slim 2.1amp usb charger (http://www.macconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=11219497&cm_mmc=Base-_-11219497-_-New-_-WN64&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=11219497)

You can cable tie the wires neatly into the storage bin, and have a dock connector hanging out. Just plug the dock connector into your iphone/ipod for musical nirvana (oh and press play).

Frikiton
12-30-10, 04:37 PM
Oops sorry. Well first of all, if you connect the ipod/iphone through RCA, you won't be able to control it with your radio controls. You can only use volume controls on your radio. However, you can still control your ipod/iphone manually to select for music. Also if you have a compatible iphone, you can use voice control over BT to navigate through your music or make calls.

The parts I used for my RCA hook-up:
Apple composite cable (http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Apple-Composite-AV-Cable-Model-MB129LL-/320635273212?pt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item4aa759fffc#ht_500wt_951)
Radioshack ground loop isolator (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062214)
Kensington slim 2.1amp usb charger (http://www.macconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=11219497&cm_mmc=Base-_-11219497-_-New-_-WN64&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=11219497)

You can cable tie the wires neatly into the storage bin, and have a dock connector hanging out. Just plug the dock connector into your iphone/ipod for musical nirvana (oh and press play).

Sweet thanks for the links =)

EChas3
12-30-10, 09:24 PM
SBA300 - Is this theory or have you done it? I've been on the forum for over two years and never read of anyone able to access a bluetooth phone's voice recognition features.

I have my iTouch connected via a uPAC-STS. I don't think it has bluetooth. I have friends with iPhones, though. If I could get video integration, I might go that route.

Anyone ever get an iPhone to work with no screech?

sba300
12-30-10, 09:32 PM
I use the voice control feature on my iphone over the nav's BT connection everyday. It works like a charm, atleast on my iphone 4. And no screech when using the iphone 4 either. The catch is to press and hold the home button on the iphone to activate the voice control feature. Then the voice prompt comes over the mono speaker in the car, and the commands can be issued over the bluetooth mic in the car. Think of the nav's BT feature as one big bluetooth headset... iphone voice control works with most bluetooth headsets.

Also, I believe you will be able to play videos from your ipod touch on the nav screen using the apple composite cable I linked. You won't need to get an iPhone just for the video.

EChas3
12-30-10, 10:54 PM
Also, I believe you will be able to play videos from your ipod touch on the nav screen using the apple composite cable I linked. You won't need to get an iPhone just for the video.

I don't think my iTouch has Bluetooth. I'll check it out. I don't mind controlling it through the screen. Can I plug in both a composite cable & the uPAC_STS docking cable?

sba300
12-30-10, 11:23 PM
Echas3,

Check out this article: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/iPod-Touch-Bluetooth,news-3642.html.

Alas the iphone/ipod only has one dock connector, so you will not be able to plug in both the upac-sts dock cable and the composite cable. I think I didn't make a few things clear. Using the composite video from the iphone does not allow for control of the device from the nav headunit. It merely lets you view your movies/pictures on the nav screen and if you have a jailbroken device, screen mirroring. All control of the iphone/ipod will have to be done on the device itself, not the headunit.

With the upac-sts, you will get limited control of the iphone through the headunit (e.g. next song, previous song, playlist selection , etc.). I've been told that you can view the song/artist information on the nav screen too. However, you cannot use your touchscreen to open, for instance, the Youtube app on your ipod touch. That kind of integration is not here yet.

EChas3
12-30-10, 11:54 PM
Thanks for the link. I had understood the limitations to be as you describe. The 'news' is that I could control the iTouch via voice command should I choose to do so. I'll hunt up cable and play with it sometime.

In all honesty, I don't use the iTouch much. When I do, I start it up and just listen. XM is my usual source; CD's & DVD's next. The iPod hookup is handy for trips with friends, too.

sba300
12-31-10, 12:09 AM
I understand. But consider this, if you do end up getting an iphone, download your entire collection to your iphone, and essentially play all your CD/DVD music like I described through the iphone. For instance, say I have 3 CDs - Meteora, Hybrid Theory, and Reanimation. I will burn these CDs into iTunes and sync the songs in their corresponding playlists (one playlist per CD) into my iPhone. Then in the STS, I simply hook up my iPhone, select aux-in as my source, switch to BT, and control my iphone using voice control. When I am driving, I will simply press and hold the iphone's home button. I will hear 2 beeps over the car's mono speaker, following which, I will say "play playlist Meteora", and the iphone (over the BT system) responds with 2 additional beeps and a female voice that says "playing playlist Meteora", and the playlist starts. Oh by the way, this voice recognition is far superior to the nav's. It's pretty good about picking up the commands correctly.

Also, with an iPhone, get the free PANDORA app and enjoy satellite radio quality music without paying for an XM subscription. If you're like me and prefer to listen to talk shows, just download podcasts and listen to them on-the-go in your car. I have the latest versions of anderson cooper 360, npr talk of the nation, and bbc global news on my iphone at all times. Also, there's apps that you can download to pretty much listen to any international radio station that broadcasts over the internet as well. Most of the better ones do. Enjoy.

RippyPartsDept
12-31-10, 03:26 PM
re: pandora -- for xmas i asked santa to buy my a pandora one subscription (and he did... that jolly old fella!)

i can definitely tell the difference between the audio quality as i've been listening to the free pandora for a couple years now through my stereo
... it isn't a ton better but it is definitely noticeable (plus no ads w/ pandora one)

and for $36/year it's a really good deal (imho)

sba300
12-31-10, 06:29 PM
Also if you use the Pandora app on an iPhone, you have the option to choose "Higher quality audio" under the settings menu in-app. The quality is significantly better this way. Yes, it will probably put more drain on your battery, and will require better 3G reception. If your iphone is plugged in and charging in your car, it's all good. As far as reception goes, I can get decent streaming with even 1 bar here in the bay area. Cheers.

RippyPartsDept
12-31-10, 06:41 PM
when you have a pandora one subscription the higher quality audio is 196kbps i think without the 'one' subscription you get 128kbps as the high quality

I 'think' that on the iphone they up the bitrates also, but i guess i could be wrong...

Frikiton
01-03-11, 06:19 AM
Oops sorry. Well first of all, if you connect the ipod/iphone through RCA, you won't be able to control it with your radio controls. You can only use volume controls on your radio. However, you can still control your ipod/iphone manually to select for music. Also if you have a compatible iphone, you can use voice control over BT to navigate through your music or make calls.

The parts I used for my RCA hook-up:
Apple composite cable (http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Apple-Composite-AV-Cable-Model-MB129LL-/320635273212?pt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item4aa759fffc#ht_500wt_951)
Radioshack ground loop isolator (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062214)
Kensington slim 2.1amp usb charger (http://www.macconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=11219497&cm_mmc=Base-_-11219497-_-New-_-WN64&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=11219497)

You can cable tie the wires neatly into the storage bin, and have a dock connector hanging out. Just plug the dock connector into your iphone/ipod for musical nirvana (oh and press play).

So I am using a generic radioshack composite cable and I haven't noticed any noise =) but not staying with this for too long since I want the uPac-STS for full integration asap
I found a few uPAC-STS on ebay but none of them list or say for cadillac sts.

sba300
01-03-11, 10:31 AM
You won't notice any hissing until you start charging. Atleast that is what I have noticed. I think one would have to assume that the uPAC-STS is meant for the STS. ;) Most of them indicate that they are for 2007-2008 STSes, but I think there is a thread on this forum about using one in a 2006 STS with some success.

Frikiton
01-03-11, 11:21 AM
You won't notice any hissing until you start charging. Atleast that is what I have noticed. I think one would have to assume that the uPAC-STS is meant for the STS. ;) Most of them indicate that they are for 2007-2008 STSes, but I think there is a thread on this forum about using one in a 2006 STS with some success.

I guess since i have an ipod video 5th gen 30gb, ipod touch 1st gen 8gb, iphone 3G 16gb, and only use them for music my battery doesn't die as if you had an iphone i suppose.

sba300
01-03-11, 12:39 PM
well the battery will be fine. i just like to keep it charged. when I arrive at my destination I would like a full 100% charge. :)

That and pandora streaming can be a lil more taxing on your battery. Or video podcasts...

Frikiton
01-05-11, 07:14 AM
Hey sba..

whats the difference with the iSimple Gateway ISGM574 and the uPac-STS other than the isimple being more expensive?

sba300
01-06-11, 03:30 AM
looks the same to me. but be careful and double check if either of these units are compatible with iOS 4.2.1 (current). I've heard stories about how these car integration units stopped working after applying the update to the idevice.

Frikiton
01-09-11, 08:47 PM
looks the same to me. but be careful and double check if either of these units are compatible with iOS 4.2.1 (current). I've heard stories about how these car integration units stopped working after applying the update to the idevice.

Well maybe the iOS 4.2.1 is the problem lol

I noticed in my dads car with the ipod cable he has i was able to use my ipod touch first generation, ipod video 5th generation, and iphone 3g, but when i connected the ipad it wouldn't play.

06 STS Rob
02-18-11, 12:54 AM
I've checked out Apple's site as well as HTC. i-pod makes a plug for the touch and nano that plugs in to the large plug (can't remember what they call that plug), and has standard audio/video (red,white,yellow) for pluging into your tv. I'm guessing, this will work in the aux video imput in the center storage. HTC has a similar cable available for the EVO. The cables are around $60 each. This should allow you to see track titles, artist, and even watch any movies downloaded to your device. I just purchased an EVO myself so if I end up getting the cord, I will post.

sba300
02-18-11, 10:09 PM
data such as the track and artist info is not possible over RCA buddy. unless you jailbreak your iphone, and mirror the screen on the nav screen, you won't be able to see track and artist info on the screen with a dock -> RCA cable.

06 STS Rob
02-19-11, 04:05 AM
sba300, Your right... I did more research since you said that. I was also checking out the cable from HTC and it's not for the EVO...only hdmi. They make a full mirror a/v to micro usb for the other model androids but not the EVO.