: Why is a Hyundai Equus on my shopping list?!



Lord Cadillac
10-17-10, 08:27 PM
I love the CTS-V - especially the coupe. But in Palm Beach County, there's nowhere to enjoy it. Around here it's very easy to see how I'm better off with a car that I can enjoy what it's good at 100% of the time while following the rules. With a CTS-V, I only get to enjoy what it's really best at when I'm breaking the law. That's what I think anyway. Around here, "spirited" driving is also considered "wreckless" driving. So forget it. I've had enough.

So what's really left? I love the looks of the DTS. Especially the exterior - and especially in Platinum form. To me, it's a hot car. But I'm not impressed with it's power and I absolutely will not deal with it's ridiculously hilarious turning radius. Lexus managed to fix the same problem in the RX in 2004. I don't know WTF Cadillac is waiting for. Maybe they figure nobody notices.

So if I want a full-size luxury sedan, what are my options? Well, there are none at Cadillac. The XTS is coming but I don't want a V6. And I won't get my hopes up that Cadillac has fixed the turning radius issue on their FWD vehicles. I never hear anybody talk about it - nobody seems to complain - so I don't see why they'd fix what they don't see as broken. And maybe I'm just crazy.

So the XTS is out. That brings me to the Hyundai Equus. It's taken a long time for this car to come - and it's just about here - but the interior is already looking a bit dated. Still, it's an upgrade from the DTS - so that's a plus. It's RWD and it has a very powerful V8 - however, it's still not fast enough for me. I want the power there when I need it - and 0-60 in 6 seconds doesn't impress me.

I'm waiting for next year's revision - which is supposed to include an 8-speed transmission and 50 more horsepower. That should bring me closer to the five to mid-five second range to 60. The Equus is also supposed to top out at around $60k. Lucky me, I get the car at dealer cost - so I'll be getting a nice discount.

If it's not a Cadillac, than I don't care what badge is on the car. I'm not a brand snob. I know what I want. I REALLY hope that this Cadillac "Omega" we're hearing about is more than just a thought in the minds of some executives at Cadillac by the time this Equus update comes to life. I want a Cadillac. But what do you do when there isn't one to be had?

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Stingroo
10-17-10, 08:30 PM
I'm really confused as to how that interior looks dated. :noidea:

Lord Cadillac
10-17-10, 08:33 PM
I'm with you there. I don't really think it looks dated. I just thought I was the only one who didn't think so. So it's just you and I, buddy. :p


I'm really confused as to how that interior looks dated. :noidea:

hueterm
10-17-10, 08:35 PM
Not at all dated...it just needs the hood ornament.....

Stingroo
10-17-10, 08:36 PM
Yeah, the hood ornament was badass.

And hey look! Sal and I agreeing on a car! Somebody take a screenshot, this might not happen again for awhile :lol:

Lord Cadillac
10-17-10, 08:38 PM
Haha! :p As for the hood ornament - it's supposed to be a dealer option...

Stingroo
10-17-10, 08:59 PM
Good. It needs it. All good luxury cars do. I'm kind of sad that MB is doing away with them, it seems.

orconn
10-17-10, 08:59 PM
I don't know why the Hyundai Equus would be on your shopping list. Unless, ofcourse, you were trying to impress your cute Korean mistress!

orconn
10-17-10, 09:05 PM
I love the CTS-V - especially the coupe. But in Palm Beach County, there's nowhere to enjoy it. Around here it's very easy to see how I'm better off with a car that I can enjoy what it's good at 100% of the time while following the rules. With a CTS-V, I only get to enjoy what it's really best at when I'm breaking the law. That's what I think anyway. Around here, "spirited" driving is also considered "wreckless" driving. So forget it. I've had enough.

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So what's really left? I love the looks of the DTS. Especially the exterior - and especially in Platinum form. To me, it's a hot car. But I'm not impressed with it's power and I absolutely will not deal with it's ridiculously hilarious turning radius. Lexus managed to fix the same problem in the RX in 2004. I don't know WTF Cadillac is waiting for. Maybe they figure nobody notices.

So if I want a full-size luxury sedan, what are my options? Well, there are none at Cadillac. The XTS is coming but I don't want a V6. And I won't get my hopes up that Cadillac has fixed the turning radius issue on their FWD vehicles. I never hear anybody talk about it - nobody seems to complain - so I don't see why they'd fix what they don't see as broken. And maybe I'm just crazy.

So the XTS is out. That brings me to the Hyundai Equus. It's taken a long time for this car to come - and it's just about here - but the interior is already looking a bit dated. Still, it's an upgrade from the DTS - so that's a plus. It's RWD and it has a very powerful V8 - however, it's still not fast enough for me. I want the power there when I need it - and 0-60 in 6 seconds doesn't impress me.

I'm waiting for next year's revision - which is supposed to include an 8-speed transmission and 50 more horsepower. That should bring me closer to the five to mid-five second range to 60. The Equus is also supposed to top out at around $60k. Lucky me, I get the car at dealer cost - so I'll be getting a nice discount.

If it's not a Cadillac, than I don't care what badge is on the car. I'm not a brand snob. I know what I want. I REALLY hope that this Cadillac "Omega" we're hearing about is more than just a thought in the minds of some executives at Cadillac by the time this Equus update comes to life. I want a Cadillac. But what do you do when there isn't one to be had?

http://photo.netcarshow.com/Hyundai-Equus_2011_photo_02.jpg
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Sorry, Sal, that front and rear accessory stack looks as if it were lifted directly from a 1990's Sony disc player system I used to own. Strickly, vintage "boombox" contemporary. But, hey, maybe that's "luxury" today!

gary88
10-17-10, 09:06 PM
I still can't get over the Chinese-knockoff looking front end on the Genesis and Equus.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-17-10, 09:16 PM
I'm DTE! (Down To Equus)

I think they're a handsome sedan that doesn't try to hard to break any new styling trends or set the world on fire. They've got more standard luxury features than it's competitors do, and it's priced significantly less than anything it competes against, even the LS460. It's got the most badass back seat next to a Maybach 62 and it's got the best warranty in the biz. Sure it may not be the fastest thing out there, nor the best handling, but neither was the Fleetwood Brougham and you loved yours.

It's got Sal written all over it. :)

Lord Cadillac
10-17-10, 10:21 PM
I don't know why the Hyundai Equus would be on your shopping list. Unless, ofcourse, you were trying to impress your cute Korean mistress!

Sorry, Sal, that front and rear accessory stack looks as if it were lifted directly from a 1990's Sony disc player system I used to own. Strickly, vintage "boombox" contemporary. But, hey, maybe that's "luxury" today!

Are you REALLY in the dark about what it is the Hyundai Equus offers that interests me? And don't forget that GM has only been making nice center stacks for a few years now. If this Equus center stack is vintage boombox to you - I can't imagine you thought much of Cadillac's best effort just a few years ago.

Playdrv4me
10-17-10, 10:38 PM
Maybe Orconn mistook the photo of the rear passenger seat controls as the center stack? The front center stack looks absolutely fine to me, and at least on par with modern Cadillacs (save for the cool pop up LCD display on those). My only concern with Korean attempts at luxury is that their leather NEVER holds up well and even in those photos it looks "thin". Normally I wouldn't make too big a deal out of this, but while you may not be a BRAND snob you ARE a leather snob just like me. I will eagerly await your verdict as to how that leather compares to say, Lexus' semi-aniline stuff. Other than that, the Equus seems to put the LS460 to shame at its price point (funny how what goes around comes around eventually!). They even copied the driver's side accessible passenger seat controls.

Jesda
10-17-10, 10:44 PM
I absolutely hate that grille. It looks like something from Geely, Chery, or BYD. If they just changed that, it would transform the appearance of the entire car. The Equus is one car that I liked in pictures but disliked in person.

I much prefer the Genesis. Even though its smaller, you can still get it with a V8 and it carries itself down the road with grace and understated presence. Its exactly what Buick should build.

Stingroo
10-17-10, 10:45 PM
The grille does look very Chinese actually... never noticed that.

Playdrv4me
10-17-10, 10:50 PM
I absolutely hate that grille. It looks like something from Geely, Chery, or BYD. If they just changed that, it would transform the appearance of the entire car. The Equus is one car that I liked in pictures but disliked in person.

I much prefer the Genesis. Even though its smaller, you can still get it with a V8 and it carries itself down the road with grace and understated presence. Its exactly what Buick should build.

I agree 100 percent about the grille (perhaps a nice aftermarket mod would be to have it painted body color).. and actually, I am not fond of those huge "gargoyle-eye" headlamps either. However, while the Genesis is a fine car, the interior still has just a few cheap feeling bits in it (a lot of that silverized plastic stuff I can't stand, and some big flat expanses of material on the dash). The interior in the Equus more than makes up for its minor exterior misgivings. I really like the Bentley Continental-esque wheels the Equus in the photo is wearing. A complete knock-off and it looks GREAT on this car.

Jesda
10-17-10, 10:54 PM
I hate the Bentley Continental. Its a f***ing Veedub.

Playdrv4me
10-17-10, 10:56 PM
I hate the Bentley Continental. Its a f***ing Veedub.

Your face is a Veedub. I said the wheels look good. You damn iPad generation kids and your short attention spans!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-17-10, 11:00 PM
I don't hate this Bentley Continental.
http://gentryla.u28.nozonenet.com/gen_site/00_bentley_r/00ben_rghtfrt.jpg

hueterm
10-17-10, 11:02 PM
Hellayeah....

Destroyer
10-17-10, 11:25 PM
I love the CTS-V - especially the coupe. But in Palm Beach County, there's nowhere to enjoy it. Around here it's very easy to see how I'm better off with a car that I can enjoy what it's good at 100% of the time while following the rules. With a CTS-V, I only get to enjoy what it's really best at when I'm breaking the law. That's what I think anyway. Around here, "spirited" driving is also considered "wreckless" driving. So forget it. I've had enough.

So what's really left? I love the looks of the DTS. Especially the exterior - and especially in Platinum form. To me, it's a hot car. But I'm not impressed with it's power and I absolutely will not deal with it's ridiculously hilarious turning radius. Lexus managed to fix the same problem in the RX in 2004. I don't know WTF Cadillac is waiting for. Maybe they figure nobody notices.

So if I want a full-size luxury sedan, what are my options? Well, there are none at Cadillac. The XTS is coming but I don't want a V6. And I won't get my hopes up that Cadillac has fixed the turning radius issue on their FWD vehicles. I never hear anybody talk about it - nobody seems to complain - so I don't see why they'd fix what they don't see as broken. And maybe I'm just crazy.

So the XTS is out. That brings me to the Hyundai Equus. It's taken a long time for this car to come - and it's just about here - but the interior is already looking a bit dated. Still, it's an upgrade from the DTS - so that's a plus. It's RWD and it has a very powerful V8 - however, it's still not fast enough for me. I want the power there when I need it - and 0-60 in 6 seconds doesn't impress me.

I'm waiting for next year's revision - which is supposed to include an 8-speed transmission and 50 more horsepower. That should bring me closer to the five to mid-five second range to 60. The Equus is also supposed to top out at around $60k. Lucky me, I get the car at dealer cost - so I'll be getting a nice discount.

If it's not a Cadillac, than I don't care what badge is on the car. I'm not a brand snob. I know what I want. I REALLY hope that this Cadillac "Omega" we're hearing about is more than just a thought in the minds of some executives at Cadillac by the time this Equus update comes to life. I want a Cadillac. But what do you do when there isn't one to be had?

http://photo.netcarshow.com/Hyundai-Equus_2011_photo_02.jpg
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Hyundai, ****ing Hyundai! Why can't Cadillac build this car? It's a sweet ride even if it is a clone of all the big hitters combined into one. Damn thing looks like Bimmer from the back, a Lexus from the sides and a Mercedes from the front. Back seats are Maybach all the way! I like it and would own it.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-17-10, 11:28 PM
Yeah, Sal makes a lot of money, I wonder why he's never gotten an S Class or even maybe a Rolls or Bentley?

Jesda
10-17-10, 11:33 PM
Your face is a Veedub. I said the wheels look good. You damn iPad generation kids and your short attention spans!


Actually, your face looks a lot like the last Jetta.

http://www.aceautogrill.com/Volkswagen_Jetta_TDI_2006_after_bottom.jpg

JUST SAYIN', DAWG

Playdrv4me
10-17-10, 11:37 PM
Yeah, Sal makes a lot of money, I wonder why he's never gotten an S Class or even maybe a Rolls or Bentley?

The S550 is not the greatest looker from the outside (though I'm warming up to it), but man it is just AMAZING inside, ESPECIALLY with the tan leather interior. It's like they went back to the drawing board from the W220 and said "lets re-do everything we f***** up last time around, and do it RIGHT". It has gobs of power and all the technology you could possibly want. Every surface feels like REAL luxury and not just a plastic representation. There's REAL metal accents and buttons throughout, the speedometer is actually a massive IPS LCD with other info sections surrounding it, the little "nub" on the arm-rest is a flip open keypad to manually dial your Bluetooth enabled cellular phone... It is as close as they'll ever come to replicating the W140 in terms of overall execution...

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200812/2009-mercedes-s550-20_800x0w.jpg

77CDV
10-18-10, 12:07 AM
Sal probably likes the Equus for the same reason I do. It's the nicest Fleetwood Cadillac never built.

ga_etc
10-18-10, 01:14 AM
I much prefer the Genesis. Even though its smaller, you can still get it with a V8 and it carries itself down the road with grace and understated presence. Its exactly what Buick should build.

Me too. I love the looks of the Genesis sedan. It's not a trend setter with style, but it's still a good looking car. Plus you can get the same Tau V8 that comes in the Equus and 75% or so of the luxury in a better looking package. Yeah, the Equus has that awesome reclining "throne" rear passenger seat, but I would never be in it as I prefer to be behind the wheel. So that just leaves the seat to be something else for the kids, or other passengers, to fight over.

The one perk the Equus has over the Genesis, is that you don't have to take the Equus in to have it serviced. Hyundai schedules an appointment time with you to come pick up the car. They leave you a loaner car (and not an Accent or Sonata) to drive while yours is being serviced, then simply come trade back with you when it's done. That's freaking sweet, but at $60-$70K for a Hyundai I better get something to brag about.

Playdrv4me
10-18-10, 01:17 AM
The one perk the Equus has over the Genesis, is that you don't have to take the Equus in to have it serviced. Hyundai schedules an appointment time with you to come pick up the car. They leave you a loaner car (and not an Accent or Sonata) to drive while yours is being serviced, then simply come trade back with you when it's done. That's freaking sweet, but at $60-$70K for a Hyundai I better get something to brag about.

Well, that's certainly a step better than anything VW did with the Phaeton (which probably would have been another good choice for Sal had it still existed).

Lord Cadillac
10-18-10, 01:27 PM
The front fascia - especially the grille - is the face of a car. It's very important to me. And I actually like the appearance of the Equus from the front...


Maybe Orconn mistook the photo of the rear passenger seat controls as the cMy only concern with Korean attempts at luxury is that their leather NEVER holds up well and even in those photos it looks "thin". Normally I wouldn't make too big a deal out of this, but while you may not be a BRAND snob you ARE a leather snob just like me. I will eagerly await your verdict as to how that leather compares to say, Lexus' semi-aniline stuff.

So you remember that about me, huh? Yes, I'm a leather maniac. I've never found leather as soft as that on the Lexus vehicles. BMW's "Individual" package comes with leather VERY close, however.. And I'm sure Mercedes has leather I've never felt before that's comparable.. The leather in the Genesis is very nice as well. And it appears to be holding up so far for owners.


Yeah, Sal makes a lot of money, I wonder why he's never gotten an S Class or even maybe a Rolls or Bentley?

I make a good living and enjoy what I do - but unless something drastically changes, I'll never own a Rolls Royce or Bentley. If I were single, I'd have already owned one. I cross-shopped the S550 when I was looking for my previous car and thought Mercedes was absolutely nuts to be charging what they were for the car. With the options I wanted, it was $110,000.00.. I doubt I'll ever pay that kind of money for a car. I'd feel stupid. It just doesn't make sense. I can have the same experience with a better warranty in a Lexus LS460 for $70k. I'd have to be nuts to spend $40k more for bearly anything.

Yes, I do really like the S550 and it IS a better car than the LS460 as far as I'm concerned. But not nearly $40k worth.


Actually, your face looks a lot like the last Jetta.

http://www.aceautogrill.com/Volkswagen_Jetta_TDI_2006_after_bottom.jpg

If that was the last Jetta, than it should have been the "last" Jetta. I hate the way new Volkswagens look..


Sal probably likes the Equus for the same reason I do. It's the nicest Fleetwood Cadillac never built.

You're right - it's the Fleetwood Brougham that Cadillac never built. As crazy as it sounds, I STILL to this day consider buying a 1996 Fleetwood Brougham and just customizing the interior. Unfortunately, I don't do that kind of work myself - and I don't have the time to even look into the possibilities. The Fleetwood is old but I love the exterior styling. That's my kind of car. It's just too "nothing" inside...


The one perk the Equus has over the Genesis, is that you don't have to take the Equus in to have it serviced. Hyundai schedules an appointment time with you to come pick up the car. They leave you a loaner car (and not an Accent or Sonata) to drive while yours is being serviced, then simply come trade back with you when it's done. That's freaking sweet, but at $60-$70K for a Hyundai I better get something to brag about.

My wife loves the sound of this. Never having to go to the dealership to service the car - and even getting your test drive at home. The owner experience sounds really nice with this car/service. There's very little reason to avoid the Equus unless you're a brand snob.


Well, that's certainly a step better than anything VW did with the Phaeton (which probably would have been another good choice for Sal had it still existed).

I like the Phaeton as well. I'd rather have the A8, though..

Playdrv4me
10-18-10, 08:48 PM
Good points about the cost of the S550. Beautiful car but NOT worth the asking price brand new. I saw a 2009 CL65 AMG... just about the best Merc you can buy this side of an SLR (and some would argue the CL65 is a better car) at a local dealer here with about 8k miles for 125k, before negotiations. That got me curious so I went on Autotrader and looked around and managed to find 2008s as "cheap" as the high 80s. This is a car that brand new costs exactly 200,000.00 and is made in VERY small quantities. Depreciation on those Mercs is absolutely murderous, and its funny to think that in the case of that Equus... the depreciation on the Merc could PAY for the whole car and THEN some... maybe 2 of them!

orconn
10-18-10, 09:44 PM
I don't hate this Bentley Continental.
http://gentryla.u28.nozonenet.com/gen_site/00_bentley_r/00ben_rghtfrt.jpg

I don't hate the Bentley Azure ... even more!

orconn
10-18-10, 09:52 PM
Good points about the cost of the S550. Beautiful car but NOT worth the asking price brand new. I saw a 2009 CL65 AMG... just about the best Merc you can buy this side of an SLR (and some would argue the CL65 is a better car) at a local dealer here with about 8k miles for 125k, before negotiations. That got me curious so I went on Autotrader and looked around and managed to find 2008s as "cheap" as the high 80s. This is a car that brand new costs exactly 200,000.00 and is made in VERY small quantities. Depreciation on those Mercs is absolutely murderous, and its funny to think that in the case of that Equus... the depreciation on the Merc could PAY for the whole car and THEN some... maybe 2 of them!

It has always been this way with the highest level cars, including Rolls. As the old saying goes, its' only worth what some one is willing to pay for it. In L.A. there are several dealers who do nothing but pick up "no longer affordable" luxury cars for peanuts and sell them off to out of towners for a good profit. Where money comes quickly and is spent freely and impulsively, there are always bargains to be had aand baths to be taken!

Lord Cadillac
10-18-10, 11:22 PM
Not worth the cost brand new and not worth the crappy warranty as a second owner either.


Good points about the cost of the S550. Beautiful car but NOT worth the asking price brand new. I saw a 2009 CL65 AMG... just about the best Merc you can buy this side of an SLR (and some would argue the CL65 is a better car) at a local dealer here with about 8k miles for 125k, before negotiations. That got me curious so I went on Autotrader and looked around and managed to find 2008s as "cheap" as the high 80s. This is a car that brand new costs exactly 200,000.00 and is made in VERY small quantities. Depreciation on those Mercs is absolutely murderous, and its funny to think that in the case of that Equus... the depreciation on the Merc could PAY for the whole car and THEN some... maybe 2 of them!

Night Wolf
10-19-10, 12:58 AM
I love the CTS-V - especially the coupe. But in Palm Beach County, there's nowhere to enjoy it. Around here it's very easy to see how I'm better off with a car that I can enjoy what it's good at 100% of the time while following the rules. With a CTS-V, I only get to enjoy what it's really best at when I'm breaking the law. That's what I think anyway. Around here, "spirited" driving is also considered "wreckless" driving. So forget it. I've had enough.

I completely agree. My taste in vehicles has really changed when I actually think of where I can use a vehicle to its full capabilities. High powered vehicles mean more speeding tickets for me... or atleast more chances for speeding tickets. I seen to be really enjoying lower powered vehicles a lot more now.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-19-10, 01:00 AM
Same here. Fast vehicles are always fun, but they're begging to be throttled hard, which almost always leads to a ticket. I've gotten two tickets this year in the GS, and none in my other three cars. It's like eating a forbidden fruit. With the big, soft cruisers I like, I can really enjoy taking them on long road trips at reasonable speeds just fine.

orconn
10-19-10, 01:15 AM
As as for owning them in the U.S., the European "supercars" are only good for bragging rights. There's no place to use their safely and sanely on the open road, and let's face bombing one of these beasts around a track gets boring pretty quick!

Lord Cadillac
10-19-10, 01:29 AM
Right. There's nowhere to safely enjoy a CTS-V. And I'm not one of those old guys that finally got his Corvette and no longer has the desire to put the pedal to the metal anymore. What really pisses me off is I was very, very, very interested in the twin turbo ATS or ATS-V. And now I'm once again coming to the conclusion that I just cannot enjoy that type of car without taking unnecessary risks.

Which brings me to "what is my next car going to be?"... If I can't have all out performance, than I want a big, comfortable luxury car that I won't be embarrassed in if I need to hit the gas. The DTS has the worst turning radius on the market (I'm just guessing) so that's out of the question. And I don't think I want another 12 mile per gallon Escalade that the local Cadillac dealership won't take back as a trade-in when I'm done with it. And besides that, I want a car - not an SUV.

Since I don't want a big heavy V6, the XTS isn't going to make any sense for me. As mentioned, I'd feel like a jackass spending $110k on an S550. The 7-Series isn't a whole lot better - but $90k isn't the end of the world. Still, I'm not sure I feel right spending that kind of money on a car. The Audi A8 is pretty impressive for about the same price. The Jaguar XJ looks pretty amazing configured the way I'd like it at $80k... Wow... ...The Lexus LS used to be at the top of my list and it's a great deal at $73k - but it's lagging behind the rest now. It's the oldest of the group.. And then you have the Hyundai Equus which should cost about $60k...

When all is said and done, I'll probably be looking at either a certified pre-owned XJ or LS - or a new Equus. Buying "new" is another one of those things I feel is a waste of money and very unimportant.

hueterm
10-19-10, 07:18 PM
You really should go and test drive a DTS Performance III, if you like everything else about the car. When does turning radius really come into play? Making an illegal U-turn? I wouldn't buy one new, but in S. Florida, you should have your pick of 1-2 year old CPOs....

V-Eight
10-19-10, 07:42 PM
Turning radius comes into play every-time you're parking the car, but if I liked everything else about the car I'm not sure that'd be a deal breaker.

ben.gators
10-19-10, 07:54 PM
The main problem of Hyundai is "Lack of Character".

Until Hyundai builds and sells economy, or basic mid sized family sedans there is no problem, since no one expect character from a basic car!

But the problem starts when Hyundai wants to step out of the basic or mid sized family sedans and enters to the luxury segment of market. When a customer pays 50+ k$ for a car, he expects a car with individual independent character, the thing that Hyundai suffers from the lack of it! You hide badge of a new model of MB and show the car to anybody that has not seen that MB model before, and they will recognize MB because of its character. The same goes for BMW, Cadillac, Porsche, Audi, even Buick, and definitely supercars like ferrari and lamborghini...

But what about a Hyundai! Show a picture of Equus or Genesis to anybody, and they will tell you that they can see MB, BMW, Lexus, in the design.... but no word about Hyundai!


Even more, if somebody stands up and says that Hyundai designers are a bunch of design thieves I will not have any objection......

ben.gators
10-19-10, 08:09 PM
And I don't think I want another 12 mile per gallon Escalade that the local Cadillac dealership won't take back as a trade-in when I'm done with it. And besides that, I want a car - not an SUV.


Why are not they taking back Escalades?!

Lord Cadillac
10-19-10, 08:21 PM
You really should go and test drive a DTS Performance III, if you like everything else about the car. When does turning radius really come into play? Making an illegal U-turn? I wouldn't buy one new, but in S. Florida, you should have your pick of 1-2 year old CPOs....

The turning radius came into play for me a number of times when turning the opposite direction on anything but a four lane highway. Parking as well.. It's not entirely a deal-breaker but I'd rather buy another car and not have to deal with a bad turning radius at all.


Why are not they taking back Escalades?!

I took my 2005 Escalade to the local Cadillac dealership a couple of years ago and they didn't want it as a trade-in because of the gas prices. They wouldn't even take it on a trade for a new Escalade. It was worthless to me. It was in mint condition and only a few years old. What a waste of money that was...

In regards to the Hyundai Equus... Hyundai released the price today. It's a little higher than I expected - and I think it's a mistake - but whatever. It starts at $58k and fully loaded costs $64k.. I can probably get it for less considering I'm a "Think Tank" member. However, I do know that Hyundai is working on their "Genesis" brand - and it'll probably cost $10k more for the same exact car without the Hyundai badge on it in a few years...

hueterm
10-19-10, 09:14 PM
If they're going to launch a new brand in a couple of years, that will hurt the resale of the Hyundai branded models even more than their normal hit.

I realize you got butt hurt when you tried to trade in your '05 when you did, but if you tried to do it now, it would probably fetch more. The DTS' turning radius sure wouldn't be a deal breaker for me -- honestly, I never really noticed it on my Concours or the ETC.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-19-10, 09:23 PM
How much worse can the turning radius on a '10 DTS be compared to a 1996 Fleetwood Brougham? The Brougham had a much longer wheelbase, and is much longer overall...

ben.gators
10-19-10, 09:37 PM
I took my 2005 Escalade to the local Cadillac dealership a couple of years ago and they didn't want it as a trade-in because of the gas prices. They wouldn't even take it on a trade for a new Escalade. It was worthless to me. It was in mint condition and only a few years old. What a waste of money that was... .

I can remember that a few years ago, to be more precise 2008, used car market was messed up because of unexpected rise of gas price. I was in Florida and 87 Octane gas was 4$/Gallon and people were saying that it will be 5$ very soon and they were really freaked out... Such a hysteria caused ridiculous effects on used car market... Cars with low MPG lost their value a lot, and the reverse went for the cars with high MPG. I was shopping a car and can remember that Craigslist was occupied with ads that the title was composed of "Gas saver" and then the name and the model of the car.... 4 cylinder rusty junk cars like Honda Civic hatchback 1990 were priced at 4000$ and more just because of their gas millage !!!

I guess you tried to sell your car at that period of time, else right now used Escalades have very good market....

Stingroo
10-19-10, 09:38 PM
It's just something you get used to. When I first got my car I dreaded parking. Now I don't care much at all.

And I don't ever remember seeing 87 hit $4. <_<

Jesda
10-19-10, 09:43 PM
This girl I knew totaled her Civic and had to buy a replacement. A decade-old Protege cost her $5300 in 2008. Nuts. Then she totaled that too.


She is a horrible, awful driver.

hueterm
10-19-10, 09:44 PM
Don't drive anywhere near her, or you'll get rear ended and pooped on again...

ben.gators
10-19-10, 09:46 PM
It's just something you get used to. When I first got my car I dreaded parking. Now I don't care much at all.

And I don't ever remember seeing 87 hit $4. <_<

As far as I remember, it did and I purchased gas for 4$ and more in Gainesville! Gas price differs from city to city. Cities near to main pipelines get the gas at cheaper price. Anyway, I did a fast internet search and came up with this:
http://zfacts.com/p/35.html

It hit and pass the 4$ at 2008... I guess the chart shows the price of cheapest type of gas, not premium.

drewsdeville
10-19-10, 09:48 PM
The main problem of Hyundai is "Lack of Character".

Until Hyundai builds and sells economy, or basic mid sized family sedans there is no problem, since no one expect character from a basic car!

But the problem starts when Hyundai wants to step out of the basic or mid sized family sedans and enters to the luxury segment of market. When a customer pays 50+ k$ for a car, he expects a car with individual independent character, the thing that Hyundai suffers from the lack of it! You hide badge of a new model of MB and show the car to anybody that has not seen that MB model before, and they will recognize MB because of its character. The same goes for BMW, Cadillac, Porsche, Audi, even Buick, and definitely supercars like ferrari and lamborghini...

But what about a Hyundai! Show a picture of Equus or Genesis to anybody, and they will tell you that they can see MB, BMW, Lexus, in the design.... but no word about Hyundai!


Even more, if somebody stands up and says that Hyundai designers are a bunch of design thieves I will not have any objection......

There's been a lot of generalization lately about what people want and what they look for in luxury cars in the past week or so here. Multiple times, Hyundai has been used as an example of what people don't want, usually referring to the styling.

The problem with all of these generalizations is that Hyundai is having no problem whatsoever selling any of their cars, including their higher end models. In fact, Hyundai is doing fantastic.

In light of that, regardless if what members of this forum want or claim others want, I'm sure some buried sales figures would tell us that Hyundai is doing a good job of supplying EXACTLY what people want, and the company's increasing success reflects that.

Remember that character, or lack thereof, is a subjective quality, not something you check off on the options list or special order; not something that's automatically inherent with a certain car. I'm sure there are thousands of Hyundai Equus, Genesis, and Azera owners who think there car is bursting with character.

hueterm
10-19-10, 10:00 PM
I don't think Hyundais necessarily have a lot of character -- but they're nice, well equipped, and attractively priced -- which is all a lot of people care about. Like Toyota drivers...

Stingroo
10-19-10, 10:06 PM
Don't drive anywhere near her, or you'll get rear ended and pooped on again...

:histeric: But Mike that thread was awesome.


And I actually like the Genesis coupe. It's like a cheaper G35. Could you get that thing with the V8 or is that sedan only?

ben.gators
10-19-10, 10:08 PM
^^^^^
I totally agree with two previous posts (Edit, Neglect Rays post! :D I meant two posts before him!). As I said in my original post they are all OK and indeed doing very well in economy and mid sized family sedan segment of market. However I am not sure about luxury segment of the market. As drewsdeville said, let's sit and wait for the real statistics of sold luxury Hyundais...

drewsdeville
10-19-10, 10:09 PM
Sedan only, unfortunately.

Stingroo
10-19-10, 10:37 PM
Now that's a shame. That would make that Coupe quite a nice little ride. It could be the Infiniti G that could have been....

Jesda
10-19-10, 11:47 PM
Meanwhile, the Infiniti G is going to be available with a 2.5L 4-banger, though I've heard that its not related to Nissan's god-awful QR25.

Stingroo
10-19-10, 11:51 PM
G25 for the loss.

Playdrv4me
10-20-10, 12:53 AM
Highest gas price I saw in the summer of 2008 was $4.99 at a gas station in northern California.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-20-10, 01:26 AM
Meanwhile, the Infiniti G is going to be available with a 2.5L 4-banger, though I've heard that its not related to Nissan's god-awful QR25.

I thought it was a 2.5L V6?


This girl I knew totaled her Civic and had to buy a replacement. A decade-old Protege cost her $5300 in 2008. Nuts. Then she totaled that too.


She is a horrible, awful driver.

Is she asian? (que Ling-Ling Drawn Together reference)

Jesda
10-20-10, 02:16 AM
I thought it was a 2.5L V6?



Is she asian? (que Ling-Ling Drawn Together reference)

Oops! You're right, its a 2.5 V6.

She's not Asian, but she dates them, LOL :D

77CDV
10-20-10, 03:21 AM
I've never noticed a problem with the turning radius on my DTS. I zip in and out of parking spaces very easily, in fact. No problem with U turns, either.

Jesda
10-20-10, 03:31 AM
On the DTS I rented, I did notice that the turning radius was large when making U-turns, but parking wasn't a noticeable challenge. I drove it to Nashville which is a reasonably spacious town -- I can't say how it would do in south Florida. The valet took it to the parking garage so I never did get to try parking it in truly tight quarters.

Playdrv4me
10-20-10, 04:32 AM
I have to say that there has been a few cars I've owned where turning radius has been a concern ('92 Seville being one of them), but the 1998-2004 Seville is certainly acceptable for a FWD sedan. I assume the Deville is no worse seeing as how its practically the same car. It's certainly no secret when a car has a truly terrible turning radius either... on the Lexus forum, the 1999-2003 RX's turning radius is much lamented as one of the worst ever for a crossover of any kind.

Aron9000
10-20-10, 04:33 AM
On the DTS I rented, I did notice that the turning radius was large when making U-turns, but parking wasn't a noticeable challenge. I drove it to Nashville which is a reasonably spacious town -- I can't say how it would do in south Florida. The valet took it to the parking garage so I never did get to try parking it in truly tight quarters.

I worked as a valet, and can tell you the DTS is easy to park. I've never noticed a wide turning radius with that car either. Its a hell of a lot easier to park than the old RWD Caddys, Lincolns, Crown Vics, or god forbid those stupid 4 door diesel trucks.

Lord Cadillac
10-20-10, 01:06 PM
How much worse can the turning radius on a '10 DTS be compared to a 1996 Fleetwood Brougham? The Brougham had a much longer wheelbase, and is much longer overall...

I replaced my 1995 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham with a 2000 Cadillac DeVille DTS. I noticed the difference...

The turning radius on my 1995 Fleetwood was 40.4 feet.
The turning radius on my 2000 DeVille was 41.4 feet.
The turning radius on my 2000 RX was 41.3 feet.
The turning radius on my 2010 RX is 37.4 feet.
The turning radius on a 2010 DTS is 42 feet. UnF'ing believable.

"On the Lexus forum, the 1999-2003 RX's turning radius is much lamented as one of the worst ever for a crossover of any kind." That doesn't say a whole lot for the Cadillac DTS being virtually the SAME... At least stupid "doesn't know how to do anything right" Toyota fixed their problem in 2004. What did Cadillac do? Got WORSE.


I can remember that a few years ago, to be more precise 2008, used car market was messed up because of unexpected rise of gas price. I was in Florida and 87 Octane gas was 4$/Gallon and people were saying that it will be 5$ very soon and they were really freaked out... Such a hysteria caused ridiculous effects on used car market... Cars with low MPG lost their value a lot, and the reverse went for the cars with high MPG. I was shopping a car and can remember that Craigslist was occupied with ads that the title was composed of "Gas saver" and then the name and the model of the car.... 4 cylinder rusty junk cars like Honda Civic hatchback 1990 were priced at 4000$ and more just because of their gas millage !!!

I guess you tried to sell your car at that period of time, else right now used Escalades have very good market....

That may be true but for a car company to turn away their own car as a trade-in - THAT is unbelievable.. Lexus and BMW didn't think twice...


And I actually like the Genesis coupe. It's like a cheaper G35. Could you get that thing with the V8 or is that sedan only?

A V8 Genesis Coupe is planned...


G25 for the loss.

Not really. Every time you see someone driving one, it's a win for Infiniti. Options. They're important...


I have to say that there has been a few cars I've owned where turning radius has been a concern ('92 Seville being one of them), but the 1998-2004 Seville is certainly acceptable for a FWD sedan. I assume the Deville is no worse seeing as how its practically the same car. It's certainly no secret when a car has a truly terrible turning radius either... on the Lexus forum, the 1999-2003 RX's turning radius is much lamented as one of the worst ever for a crossover of any kind.

See above...

Lord Cadillac
10-20-10, 02:47 PM
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicles/2011/equus/experience/

orconn
10-20-10, 04:29 PM
Let's face it, when you pass the $60,000 price mark you are really entering a territory where differences in the degree of "luxury" are pretty slim and the difference in usable performance is also pretty slim. However, the percieved quality (actual or merely claimed) and the degree of ownership prestige may vary greatly and the price of ownership may range in the tens of thousands of dollars. When one eliminates "pride of ownership" from what is satisfactory luxury transportation the price goes done considerably. So I quess the Hyundai Equus is a good deal (if all the luxury features hold up over the long term); it has decent "usable" performance, apparent quality equaling much more costly makes and features also equaling those more prestigeous makes ... so I quess a Hyundai Equus would make a good buy, but you won't see many of them where "prestige" is valued over mere value!

Lord Cadillac
10-20-10, 04:48 PM
The prestige will be there with the second generation as it will be under a new luxury badge.

Jesda
10-20-10, 05:38 PM
I really never noticed an issue with the turning radius, but the DTS is intended to be a highway car, which it is.

hueterm
10-20-10, 07:24 PM
And is gorgeous....

orconn
10-20-10, 08:20 PM
Time will tell with the"prestige" issue, but I doubt even Ettore Bugatti could have gotten away with calling his prestige car "horse!"

Lord Cadillac
10-20-10, 08:57 PM
I really never noticed an issue with the turning radius, but the DTS is intended to be a highway car, which it is.

That's great. I just want a highway car that also has an excellent turning radius. And I can find that at every brand except for Cadillac. :bigroll:


And is gorgeous....

I agree!


Time will tell with the"prestige" issue, but I doubt even Ettore Bugatti could have gotten away with calling his prestige car "horse!"

It's funny that we're talking about "Prestige" here and the Equus may very well be called the Genesis "Prestige" when the new brand launches. :p

hueterm
10-20-10, 09:31 PM
That's way worse than "Equus"...

orconn
10-20-10, 09:35 PM
That's great. I just want a highway car that also has an excellent turning radius. And I can find that at every brand except for Cadillac. :bigroll:



I agree!



It's funny that we're talking about "Prestige" here and the Equus may very well be called the Genesis "Prestige" when the new brand launches. :p

"Funny" ha! ha! or "Funny" peculiar? "Prestige" sur beats "Equus," but in Hyundai's case just kind of a cheesy garb, thry need to earn some before they claim the name! But, hey, if the name isn't already copyrighted by another car company, all's fair in love and marketing!

ga_etc
10-20-10, 10:27 PM
I replaced my 1995 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham with a 2000 Cadillac DeVille DTS. I noticed the difference...

The turning radius on my 1995 Fleetwood was 40.4 feet.
The turning radius on my 2000 DeVille was 41.4 feet.
The turning radius on my 2000 RX was 41.3 feet.
The turning radius on my 2010 RX is 37.4 feet.
The turning radius on a 20010 DTS is 42 feet. UnF'ing believable.

I think I found your problem...

By then, if cars still exist, they will be flying. Then a turning radius doesn't matter.

Lord Cadillac
10-20-10, 10:29 PM
I was just predicting the future, that's all. :p


I think I found your problem...

By then, if cars still exist, they will be flying. Then a turning radius doesn't matter.

ga_etc
10-20-10, 10:33 PM
The future according to Sal... Um, anyone else get the feeling this could end poorly? :hide: lol