: Of all the cars you've owned which ones were your favorites?



orconn
10-05-10, 04:08 PM
Of the many cars I have owned my most favorite one was my '92 Alfa Romeo
164S. It was the very best "all round" car I have owned. A great daily commuter in the city and also a comfortable, quiet and non-tiring long distance cruiser. It looked great, was assembled to a high European car standard and while(with 195 hp) was not a "barn stormer" it was quick for its' day and adequate for all round driving. Surprisingly, this Alfa was the most trouble free car I have ever owned and even with its' 100% bumper to bumper warranty rarely required repair or service other than regular maintenance. I understand subsequent Alfa models have not been able to come up to the standard (judged superior in all areas to the BMW 5 series, which it equalled in size, by the European press) set by the 164 during its' six years of production (1989-1997).

Second most favorite car would have to be the '95 Seville STS which again is a great all round daily driver. Not bad on the twisites (not even close to the Alfa, but cetainly acceptable) and great on the interstates. A stylish design of which I never seem to get tired. Although the 2002 Seville SLS handles more like a European sports sedan, I like the way the '95 handles as more in keeping with its' status as an American personal luxury car. More than adequate get up and go, good quality assembly and materials and a truly classic "long hood, short rear deck" design amke this car an enjoyable and stylish for most occasions.

For shear fun for the buck the 1983 VW Scirocco takes the prize. A really fun car with its 75 hp and 5 sped manual, no power steering and great Recaro style seats. This car was a fun addition to our garage during the eight years we owned.

While I enjoyed the four new Jaguar XJ6s I owned and used as business cars in the eighties, they just didn't measure up to the others for the pure enjoyment of driving and while not requiring a lot of remedial repair during their warranty period they were less reliable than the other cars mentioned. Over the period of the 1970's on through to the 1990's Jaguar service way outpaced inflation in the economy as far as dealer service was concerned. So keeping the cars past their manufacturer's warranty period was not advisable.

My 2002 Mercedes CLK convertible was a decent car, but not worth the price of admission and certainly not worth Mercedes service and repair prices .... at least not to me!

Playdrv4me
10-05-10, 05:23 PM
My 2003 Range Rover takes first place, followed by a tie for second between my 2001 White Diamond STS and my 2001 BMW 330i Sedan. My 1998 LS400 brings in third. Among those four, every aspect of what I love in cars is represented in some form or another.

ryannel2003
10-05-10, 05:52 PM
I've owned a Toyota Camry and the Seville... so you can take a guess at which is my favorite.

BTW, I see Ian purchasing a Sterling Silver STS in the near future... and it ain't mine. Just saying :thumbsup:

drewsdeville
10-05-10, 05:59 PM
Mines a tie between the '90 Eldo and the '92 Escort.

Playdrv4me
10-05-10, 06:18 PM
I've owned a Toyota Camry and the Seville... so you can take a guess at which is my favorite.

BTW, I see Ian purchasing a Sterling Silver STS in the near future... and it ain't mine. Just saying :thumbsup:

LOL! Discussions in progress... That is all I will say about this subject.

gdwriter
10-05-10, 06:24 PM
It was the very best "all round" car I have owned. A great daily commuter in the city and also a comfortable, quiet and non-tiring long distance cruiser.

Second most favorite car would have to be the '95 Seville STS which again is a great all round daily driver. Not bad on the twisites (not even close to the Alfa, but cetainly acceptable) and great on the interstates. A stylish design of which I never seem to get tired. Although the 2002 Seville SLS handles more like a European sports sedan, I like the way the '95 handles as more in keeping with its' status as an American personal luxury car. More than adequate get up and go, good quality assembly and materials and a truly classic "long hood, short rear deck" design amke this car an enjoyable and stylish for most occasions.What Orconn said about his Alfa (and Seville), I could say about mine. Besides being beautiful inside and out, I love that the car is both entertaining/involving to drive (yes, even with FWD and an automatic) or utterly effortless depending on your mood. It is by far my favorite of all the daily drivers I've owned (Betty doesn't count; she'll always be #1 in my heart).

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Number 2 is a tie between Cruella and Pugsley, my '99 Honda Accord EX coupe that now belongs to my eldest niece. It's funny that my last two cars have gone to my nieces. Maybe my 6-year-old niece or nephew will get Sabrina when they learn to drive.

I loved Cruella because she had so much character, and you have to respect a car that runs, drives and looks so good at 200,000+ miles:

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I know it wouldn't look right on Sabrina, but I miss my hoodie:

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Cruella was my introduction to Cadillac, a brand I've always liked (not counting the 80s), and now I'm hooked.

Pugsley was a really good looking car, great on gas, trouble-free and a lot of fun to drive. I hated having to sell him to my sister when I was going through my divorce, but it all worked out nicely in the end.

My niece just moved to Oregon to restart college, so Pugsley is back at my house temporarily. I drove him yesterday when we went out to lunch, and it felt like I was sitting on the ground. Still a nice car to drive, but it's no Cadillac.

These were taken right before I sold him in 2005:

http://www.gdwriter.com/P5290003

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Unfortunately, the paint has not held up well, as I could see after taking him through the car wash yesterday.

drewsdeville
10-05-10, 06:27 PM
Was that Deville hit on the front and right side at some point? The color between the front and rear doors doesn't match and a lot of the front end doesn't line up correctly.

ThumperPup
10-05-10, 06:49 PM
id have to pook my favorit 3

2000 Cadddy sevilel SLS - yup thats the one why my favorit i have no idea with all the money its been sucking out of my bank lol

my 1998 Lincoln Mark VIII CE edition -- Sandy i know your not to fond of this car because of the seat breaking out of the floor on you

and my 1995 Lincoln Continetla - it made it cross the US and Mexico problably 10 times in the 3 years i had it never broke down ones whylli i was on the road
but when it did go it cost lol

gdwriter
10-05-10, 06:55 PM
Was that Deville hit on the front and right side at some point? The color between the front and rear doors doesn't match and a lot of the front end doesn't line up correctly.I believe so. When I bought the car, the rear bumper had a big dent in it, and I swapped it out with one from a junkyard:

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I think that left rear quarter was repainted at some point in the car's life because the color was always a bit off from the rest of the car. After I bought Sabrina and Cruella lost her spot in the garage, the sun exposure made the difference more pronounced. I thought about having it repainted before I gave the car to my niece, but I spent enough money getting her ready to hand off mechanically (including repairing a leaking front main seal and tune up). I never noticed that much difference in the color on the passenger side, but it is there.

The grille was cracked on the corner of the passenger side, so I replaced it with one I found on eBay:

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When I pulled the old grille off, I found the leading edge of the hood was bent; tried hitting it a few times with a mallet, but it wouldn't budge, and I didn't want to do any damage, so I left it alone.

http://www.gdwriter.com/P2240012.jpg

Keep in mind, I only paid $999 for this car. I did replace the bumper, grille and all the faded exterior emblems, but otherwise, the exterior is how it was when I bought her.

Jesda
10-05-10, 07:02 PM
Good pick on the Scirocco! Never driven one, but rode in the back of one a couple times (I was skinnier in my late teens) and loved how solid it felt for such a small, affordable car.

I'd love to own an Alfa. Italian cars are foreign to me, having grown up in an era where they were quickly disappearing from the US market.

The 98-02 Accord coupe is one of my favorite midsize sporty cars. Best detail is the NSX-influenced rear tail light cluster. My stepbrother just got an '01. The fluid on the transmission has been changed 3 times in 120k, so hopefully his H5 automatic lasts him a couple years.

orconn
10-05-10, 07:47 PM
I always liked the '98-02 Accord coupe, good looking, decent handling and affordable. That adds up to a winner in my book!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-05-10, 07:48 PM
A guy I knew a few years ago had an '01 Accord EX-V6 Coupe. Silver with the black leather interior. Nice midsize coupe. It's SOHC 3.0L V6 made good power, was very smooth and sounded great for a V-6. Build quality was great, and it offered good room and reasonably comfortable seats. Looked nice too, very smooth lines that flowed well together and I loved that NSX-inspired tail lamp assembly.

My favorite car was the S320. The W140 was a high point for M-B, unparalleled build quality and quality of materials were amazing. It's large, long, flat exterior surfaces were a high point of German design in the '90s. Aside from the lower, longer W126 SEL sedans, M-B has never built a car better looking than the W140s. It had the neatest features (self closing doors, double paned glass) and was always fun to cruise around in with friends and always impressed people. Made great useage of it's size too, considering it was shorter than my deVille and Roadmaster, it had a much larger cabin in every aspect, and even though it's 3.2L I-6 made only 228hp, it would still do 135mph.

ben.gators
10-05-10, 08:03 PM
My current STS, and to be honest she has put the bar so high that I will have serious problems in future when I want to buy another car....

orconn
10-05-10, 08:07 PM
The W140 may have been a high point for Mercedes' technology, but for sophisticated beauty and quality that has stood the test of time the Mercedes 300S cabriolet abd coupe of the mid 1950's take first place in my book, follwed closely by 300SL roadsters and the 190SL roadsters of the late fifties and early sixties. The 280SE cabriolet of the late sixties is also one my top ten favorites. In some cases they were under powered in other over complicated and finicky to keep running well, but they were all beautiful designs that were coveted by onlookers and kept by their owners long after their normal service period.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-05-10, 08:11 PM
I appreciate the styling of those classic '50s models, but I've always preferred the executive saloons to anything else. It's kinda like comparing a '92 Brougham to a '53 Eldorado.

gdwriter
10-05-10, 08:16 PM
The 98-02 Accord coupe is one of my favorite midsize sporty cars. Best detail is the NSX-influenced rear tail light cluster. My stepbrother just got an '01. The fluid on the transmission has been changed 3 times in 120k, so hopefully his H5 automatic lasts him a couple years.


I always liked the '98-02 Accord coupe, good looking, decent handling and affordable. That adds up to a winner in my book!


A guy I knew a few years ago had an '01 Accord EX-V6 Coupe. Silver with the black leather interior. Nice midsize coupe. It's SOHC 3.0L V6 made good power, was very smooth and sounded great for a V-6. Build quality was great, and it offered good room and reasonably comfortable seats. Looked nice too, very smooth lines that flowed well together and I loved that NSX-inspired tail lamp assembly.Yeah, I loved the rear-end styling of those Accords, as well. The whole car was just very sleek and tidy. Honda messed it up with the '03 redesign, and then made it even words in '08. Although the '08+ Accord couple doesn't look bad in profile, it's got an ass the size of Albuquerque. I was once behind a '98-'02 Accord coupe with an '08+ in front of it, and I couldn't believe the difference. Honda has really lost its way since it's late 90s peak.

Mine was a 4, and it was fun to hear the V-TEC kick in when you goosed it on the highway. Never felt underpowered, but I did get tired of that 4-cylinder drone when accelerating. I drove a friend's V6 Accord, and it sounded like a turbine, it was so smooth.

Pugsley is now at 118,000 miles (~75,000 when I sold him), but I don't know if the transmission fluid has ever been changed.

Destroyer
10-05-10, 08:24 PM
This list is based simply on enjoyment. I lost track of how many cars I've had but it's near 150. I'm only listing the top 5.

1. 1985 Porsche 928s: black on black with black BBS wheels and only 8k miles when I got it. So clearly ahead of it's time that it could be mistaken for a 2011 model car if someone did not know of it.

2. 1967 Cutlass 442 clone: Candy Burgandy/Black. A car I owned 11 years ago equipped with a modded 461 (.30 over 455) cubic inch Olds motor. A N/A 12 second ride that was extremely streetable and reliable. I miss that car but have plans for my current '67 Cutlass 'vert.

3. 1987 Mustang GT convertible: Black/Gray. Back in '91 this was the first fuel injected car I modded. Got it to do 12 seconds flat on the N/A motor and had a lot of fun with it. Also had a '99 Cobra 'vert with a Mach 1 motor which was a better car than my '87 but not as fun.

4. 1988 Iroc convertible: red/black. Installed a 383 stroker with nitrous. Ran high 11's. Lots of fun beating those 5.0 Mustangs!

5. 1997 Mercedes W140 S320 LWB. The perfect car.

creeker
10-05-10, 09:31 PM
- 1947 mercury convertible black with white top,baby moons and w/w tires.

-1959 pontiac convertible

-1964 chevy s.s.

-1992 caddy eldorado.

drewsdeville
10-05-10, 09:50 PM
Yeah, I loved the rear-end styling of those Accords, as well. The whole car was just very sleek and tidy. Honda messed it up with the '03 redesign, and then made it even words in '08. Although the '08+ Accord couple doesn't look bad in profile, it's got an ass the size of Albuquerque. I was once behind a '98-'02 Accord coupe with an '08+ in front of it, and I couldn't believe the difference. Honda has really lost its way since it's late 90s peak.

Mine was a 4, and it was fun to hear the V-TEC kick in when you goosed it on the highway. Never felt underpowered, but I did get tired of that 4-cylinder drone when accelerating. I drove a friend's V6 Accord, and it sounded like a turbine, it was so smooth.

Pugsley is now at 118,000 miles (~75,000 when I sold him), but I don't know if the transmission fluid has ever been changed.

I'm actually genuinely surprised to hear this, as far as power and noise. I maintain my friends wifes 2002 4cyl Accord. It's an SE, coupe, black, 116k on last service, looks exactly like your pictures minus the tinted windows. I must say, it's an absolute DOG. I'd really like to say that I'm exaggerating a bit, but I find it to be unbearably slow, perhaps one of the slowest cars I've driven outside of the 1988 Chevy Nova. I'm pretty sure it's even slower than my '92 Escort, which was also no speed demon. But I think it was relatively quiet compared to other 4cyl's I've driven.

Like I said, I'm quite surprised at our conflicting experiences.

I do agree, however, that the V6 versions were quite smooth and actually pretty quick compared to what else was out there around 2000.

I guess I wouldn't mind a V6 variant if the seats weren't as hard as rocks like in the said SE coupe. Not sure if the Special Edition got different seats or if they are all like that.

gdwriter
10-05-10, 10:35 PM
There must have been something wrong your friend's wife's Accord. It's a 150-hp engine, and the car is light. I never felt mine was underpowered. The engine wasn't loud, but any four, even a good one, makes a droning noise on acceleration. I haven't driven one that doesn't.

drewsdeville
10-05-10, 10:38 PM
There must have been something wrong your friend's wife's Accord. It's a 150-hp engine, and the car is light. I never felt mine was underpowered. The engine wasn't loud, but any four, even a good one, makes a droning noise on acceleration. I haven't driven one that doesn't.

Yeah I don't know, run great otherwise. Good fuel mileage, smooth. Just did a tune-up on it last year, replacing the plugs, filters, trans fluid, etc. Felt the same before and after.

Maybe I just remember it wrong. Admittedly, I never took it out on the highway...maybe it's highway power is more impressive than the short sprints I took it on. All of my experiences with the car were city driving near my home, just running it around a few minutes after a job.

Bro-Ham
10-05-10, 10:48 PM
My all time favorite: 84 RR Silver Spirit. Tudor red with beige leather, red carpets. Delicious. I owned it for 6 years, drove it 70k or so miles, it cost an arm, leg, and major organ to keep up properly, but it drove like a magic carpet and it was the talk of the town. No car ever tickled me more, ever.

Honorable mentions were my 80 RR Silver Shadow II in 2-tone claret over garnet with tan leather, got it about 10 years ago with 16k miles, it was a showboat, nice driving, a total classic last year of the traditional rounded RR body style, like driving a personal parade float.

Two others that rated highly were 76 Fleetwood Brougham, what a GRAND car, I would drive another in a minute, got it about 8 years ago with only 9,700 miles, sold it shortly after and have regretted my desire for profit over my emotional need for an exquisite one of a kind American masterpiece in my garage that cost less than a new Civic.

Last, my old 75 Buick Electra 225 hardtop sedan. Loved to roll the windows down and have the pillarless look and feel in a truly classic boat that had a look that meant business and prestige back in the day. Color was ranch green with white top and green interior, a color combo that was totally fitting for the era and I wish the automakers would have the cajones to be so adventurous today.

:)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-05-10, 11:16 PM
A few years ago, I actually kinda considered buying a 98-02 Accord EX-V6 Coupe. I was really impressed with my friend's '01, and I liked how well built and well thought out they were. Honda always seemed to be great at building cars that while good looking, weren't overdone, but very logically laid out and easy to live with.

I really wanted one in the Milano Red with the tan interior, just like this:
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I couldn't pull the trigger on it because while I liked and respected it, I didn't LOVE it. It wasn't me.

LS1Mike
10-05-10, 11:36 PM
My favorite would be the Trans Am as it is right now.
#2 would be this.
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It was just a plain beast and a complete convertible in the summer.
I miss it the most.

blue07cts
10-05-10, 11:44 PM
I would have to say, that despite all of the issues my 08 cts was my favorite all around vehicle, the RX-8 is def my best handling car.

Jesda
10-06-10, 12:51 AM
Mazda 929, both of them were great cars, despite their flaws. Pure 80s goodness.
Infiniti Q45, the first one, the dark green one with all the expensive repairs. For some reason, I loved it much more than the nearly perfect gold one that I bought later on.

And Ducky! I mean come on, its weird and its a Saab. What's not to love?

Seems like my once-favorite BMW E46 convertible has fallen out of my top 3. Its still awesome, but its not "me" the way some of these other offbeat cars are.

The '92 STS endured a lot of abuse and earned my respect.

Aron9000
10-06-10, 01:18 AM
My 1998 Z28 Camaro drop top was one of my favorites. Just an absolute hoot to drive, and it got you lots of stares. I can't tell you how many people told me "I didn't know they made those in a convertible". Loved the 6 speed manual/LS1 combo, it was definetly man's car that required a strong left leg, a firm right hand, and a lot of finesse to launch it without excessive wheelspin. Refined it was not, but that was part of its charm/appeal, it wore its shirt with the top two buttons undone and hairy chest for all to see. I also came out without a scratch when I wrapped it around a telephone pole.

My 1999 Z28 Camaro, t-top was a lot more stealth, in its navy blue color. You really couldn't see the black Z-28 badges on it, and the automatic made all the high school kids think it was slow. Driving it was a rather brainless affair, unlike the 6 speed car, you just rolled into the throttle and took off, no wheelspin, no fuss, no muss.


My 1991 Cadillac Brougham is probably my favorite car to just look at though. Its not nearly as clean as those two Camaros I owned, but that is part of its appeal. I don't get all freaked out if it gets rained on, I drive it in the snow, it gets parked next to other cars, etc. I take good care of it though, it hasn't let me down once in the 2 years and 25k miles I've put on it. I love all the space, the cushy seats, the big trunk, it makes a very practical driver IMO.

gdwriter
10-06-10, 02:03 AM
A few years ago, I actually kinda considered buying a 98-02 Accord EX-V6 Coupe. I was really impressed with my friend's '01, and I liked how well built and well thought out they were. Honda always seemed to be great at building cars that while good looking, weren't overdone, but very logically laid out and easy to live with.

I couldn't pull the trigger on it because while I liked and respected it, I didn't LOVE it. It wasn't me.It's not me anymore, either. I still like the car, but I don't miss owning it anymore. I much prefer the Seville.

gdwriter
10-06-10, 02:07 AM
And Ducky! I mean come on, its weird and its a Saab. What's not to love?I love Ducky, too. So much character and so you. I think Ducky is your Betty.


The '92 STS endured a lot of abuse and earned my respect.I have a lot of respect for survivors like your STS. I don't know what kind of care Cruella had before I got her, but since she was my daily driver for several years when I couldn't afford to buy another car, that she turned out to be a very reliable — and enjoyable — car earned both my respect and affection. I'm glad that my niece loves the old girl, too. I hope Cruella serves Laura as well as she served me.

77CDV
10-06-10, 02:18 AM
All three 77 Cads I've owned have been just the best cars. They do everything I want and feel wonderful while doing it. I've even flirted with the idea of ditching my ETC for a 77-79 C-body as a DD. It's such a rewarding feeling to get out of work and see this big, beautiful car beckoning you with the promise of an equally cushy interior.

Aron9000
10-06-10, 02:41 AM
All three 77 Cads I've owned have been just the best cars. They do everything I want and feel wonderful while doing it. I've even flirted with the idea of ditching my ETC for a 77-79 C-body as a DD. It's such a rewarding feeling to get out of work and see this big, beautiful car beckoning you with the promise of an equally cushy interior.

That's why I love my 1991 Caddy. You just get in, sit on the cushy leather sofa, it fires right up, and once you manuver it out of the tight parking garage, it requires no effort or thought to drive on home. Its great to just get in and relax on the way home after a long ass day.

Night Wolf
10-06-10, 04:05 AM
My favorite would really have to be my '93 Coupe DeVille.... maybe because it was my first car - I was attached to it and spent 3yrs/40k with it.

Other than that, it would be a tie between my Jeep and Noelle (e30 convertible).... both are just so "me" and dispite being polar opposites - share many of the same things I like in a vehicle.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-06-10, 07:39 AM
All my best friends from my hometown always preferred the Sedan deVille to any of my other cars. They liked it's cushy, deep seats, expansive room and authoritative V8 rumble and power. They say it's more "me" than the S320 was, which I'll agree with, but that S320 was really something else.

ted tcb
10-06-10, 09:31 AM
I'm actually genuinely surprised to hear this, as far as power and noise. I maintain my friends wifes 2002 4cyl Accord. It's an SE, coupe, black, 116k on last service, looks exactly like your pictures minus the tinted windows. I must say, it's an absolute DOG. I'd really like to say that I'm exaggerating a bit, but I find it to be unbearably slow, perhaps one of the slowest cars I've driven outside of the 1988 Chevy Nova. I'm pretty sure it's even slower than my '92 Escort, which was also no speed demon. But I think it was relatively quiet compared to other 4cyl's I've driven.

Like I said, I'm quite surprised at our conflicting experiences.

.

I agree with Drew's assessment.
I've owned pretty much every series of Honda, including many Preludes.
I had two of these Accords at the same time.
My wife had a 2002 SE, 4cyl auto, while I had the 4cyl EXL, 5spd and leather.

The auto tran/4cyl made every Honda I owned a basic grocery getter, an automotive sleeping pill. Everything about the car was average at best.
The handling was ok, the acceleration was loud and unrewarding, the fuel economy was ok, the NVH levels were acceptable, the interior luxuries were
adequate, and so on.
The area where the auto excelled was in ergonomics. A very simple car, but
everything fell right into place, and the typical low beltline and thin pillars
gave excellent views. A thoroughly practical car.
Surprisingly, I had many little reliability issues with both Accords.
Lots of CEL lights, wheel bearings, factory alarm issues, and even piston slap
on one of the Accords.
Now, my 5 speed was a different car entirely. Nice light clutch, it engaged at just the right point, good gear box, and it opens up the little motor and rewards you with a nice boost over 4000 rpms.
I smiled whenever I grabbed the keys to my manual Accord, and I only drove the automatic car when I absolutely had to.

The slushbox really strangles these cars, IMHO.

My favourite car is my 91 Miata. Its a simple car that totally involves the owner with the driving experience. Its also incredibly reliable.
For much the same reasons, I have a soft spot for my 1986 red Prelude SE,
and my 1989 4ws Black on camel Prelude.
Sporty, light, and amazing 5spd gearboxes, and no mechanical issues.

For luxury cars, I really enjoyed driving my LS400 and LS430.
I'm kind of in agreement with Chad on luxo cars ... I want them soft and silent,
but insist on total reliability.
The Lexus flagships did all that I asked, but I agree that driver involvement is pretty much non existant.
As a long distance commuter, I've never driven a more relaxing car than the LS400. Around town, it wasn't my first choice, but I loved tuning out the world
on occasion in my LS isolation chamber. Kind of like a poor man's Rolls Royce, without the pedigree.
The reason I dumped the LS400 and 430 was simple economics ... the cars held amazing resale values ... the LS430 actually went up in value, and I cashed out.
Paid $21k, sold 6 months later for $23. Timing, the used market went crazy in July of 2008, in my favour.

I enjoyed my 5 Cadillac STS', but I'm afraid that my cars suffered pretty much every nuisance failure that are well documented here, with the notable exception of Hg's or transmission solenoids. It was a love/hate relationship.
Replacing seat heaters, intermediate steering shafts, window regulators, coil packs, HID ballasts, yaw sensors, and overpriced shocks got the better of me.
I also spent thousands on different tires/wheels and RFB's trying to eliminate the shimmy on my 99/01/03 cars.
The niggling issues gave the STS's a quirky personality, but I eventually tired of it and finally sold my current 03 STS.

If I turned my own wrenches, then it would be a different story.
What kept me coming back to these cars was emotion ... still the absolute best
looking 4 door sedan I've ever seen. The lines are proportionate, set in perfect
balance. I just wish Cadillac had improved the car between 1998 and 2003.
Many of the issues I had on my 1999 existed on my 2003, which was a shame on GM's flagship vehicle.

ThumperPup
10-06-10, 09:35 AM
All my best friends from my hometown always preferred the Sedan deVille to any of my other cars. They liked it's cushy, deep seats, expansive room and authoritative V8 rumble and power. They say it's more "me" than the S320 was, which I'll agree with, but that S320 was really something else.

the S classes where awesome i drove a S55 for about a 9 months it wasnt mine it belonged to my old man but when he left for overseas i kind of took it over never got me out of it lol
it was a 2002 model
i loved the paddle shifters those things where awesome
he left and it had 32k on it still under warranty he got got back and it had 81k no warranty left he was pissed lol i drove that year NYC to Idaho back to NYC and FL to Idaho and back to FL and Ohio to texas and back to Ohio probalby 2 or 3 times each in that 9 months and then there where also the weekly 2 trips abck and forth from Detroit to Ohio when ever i was home

he got the 500 AMG model because he liked the power and it was all they had in stock at the dealership without having to wait a week for a regulare 500 to come in they had lots of the S420s i think it was but he didnt like it because he didnt want the big hudge car with the small v6 enigne for some reason

ThumperPup
10-06-10, 09:37 AM
im thinking next summer im going to get a new toy if i can find the money and get a job to have the money for a down payment and only take out a 12 month loan and pay it off erly and find soemthing for the wright price id like to get into a mid 80s to erly 90s Corvette Convertible

but also i enjoy the Honda Prelude Ero right hand side drive but i think they all came in Manuals and that would not be easy on my ankle

drewsdeville
10-06-10, 09:43 AM
I agree with Drew's assessment.
I've owned pretty much every series of Honda, including many Preludes.
I had two of these Accords at the same time.
My wife had a 2002 SE, 4cyl auto, while I had the 4cyl EXL, 5spd and leather.

The auto tran/4cyl made every Honda I owned a basic grocery getter, an automotive sleeping pill. Everything about the car was average at best.
The handling was ok, the acceleration was loud and unrewarding, the fuel economy was ok, the NVH levels were acceptable, the interior luxuries were
adequate, and so on.
The area where the auto excelled was in ergonomics. A very simple car, but
everything fell right into place, and the typical low beltline and thin pillars
gave excellent views. A thoroughly practical car.
Surprisingly, I had many little reliability issues with both Accords.
Lots of CEL lights, wheel bearings, factory alarm issues, and even piston slap
on one of the Accords.
Now, my 5 speed was a different car entirely. Nice light clutch, it engaged at just the right point, good gear box, and it opens up the little motor and rewards you with a nice boost over 4000 rpms.
I smiled whenever I grabbed the keys to my manual Accord, and I only drove the automatic car when I absolutely had to.

The slushbox really strangles these cars, IMHO.



Maybe it's just the trans then...poor ratios or something. Gary, was yours a manual or an auto?

Bro-Ham
10-06-10, 09:45 AM
All three 77 Cads I've owned have been just the best cars. They do everything I want and feel wonderful while doing it. I've even flirted with the idea of ditching my ETC for a 77-79 C-body as a DD. It's such a rewarding feeling to get out of work and see this big, beautiful car beckoning you with the promise of an equally cushy interior.

Craig, you should do it! deVille or Fleetwood Brougham? :)

jedhead
10-06-10, 11:42 AM
My favorite car is the 2006 STS-V I am currently driving. The best mix of high performance and luxury. The LC3 Supercharged Northstar V8 delivers smooth and very strong power. The Dräxlmaier who designed the interior of the Maybach was enlisted to design the interior of the STS-V. The CTS-V has more power, but I like the looks of the STS-V better and the car is so rare and special, I have only seen a couple on the road.

Bob

gdwriter
10-06-10, 01:59 PM
Maybe it's just the trans then...poor ratios or something. Gary, was yours a manual or an auto?It was an automatic. Maybe I was just used to it after having a '95 4-cylinder Accord. And the '91 Corsica I had before that had a 150-hp 3.1 V6, so all three cars were similar in power (though the Corsica had more torque, and you could tell the difference).

The '95 did not have VTEC, but the '99 did. When the tach passed 4,000 RPM, you could hear the hotter cam kick in, and it was fun to use that, particularly when passing on the highway.

I've driven it a couple of times recently, and while I can definitely tell it doesn't have nearly the power of the Northstar, it still doesn't feel pokey. But I definitely don't like that 4-cylinder drone.

A 5-speed would have probably been quicker, and Honda makes wonderful stick shifts. But I lived in Phoenix at the time, and in stop-and-go rush hour traffic, that would have gotten old quick. I've also had some trouble with my right shoulder, and with my last stick-shift car that I traded for the Corsica in 1991, it was causing me some pain in said traffic.

I enjoy a stick on occasion and would insist on one in a Miata or if I found a first-generation Celica like the car I drove through high school and college. But not as a daily driver.

Playdrv4me
10-06-10, 02:47 PM
I enjoyed my 5 Cadillac STS', but I'm afraid that my cars suffered pretty much every nuisance failure that are well documented here, with the notable exception of Hg's or transmission solenoids. It was a love/hate relationship.
Replacing seat heaters, intermediate steering shafts, window regulators, coil packs, HID ballasts, yaw sensors, and overpriced shocks got the better of me.
I also spent thousands on different tires/wheels and RFB's trying to eliminate the shimmy on my 99/01/03 cars.
The niggling issues gave the STS's a quirky personality, but I eventually tired of it and finally sold my current 03 STS.

If I turned my own wrenches, then it would be a different story.
What kept me coming back to these cars was emotion ... still the absolute best
looking 4 door sedan I've ever seen. The lines are proportionate, set in perfect
balance. I just wish Cadillac had improved the car between 1998 and 2003.
Many of the issues I had on my 1999 existed on my 2003, which was a shame on GM's flagship vehicle.

Me and Jesda do not typically agree on issues of vehicle condition, but when it comes to this generation of Sevilles, I think he has figured out the right approach. Basically, the only way to truly enjoy that car (and kind of an entertaining challenge) is to buy the most you possibly can for under 3 or 4 grand. Then, you work on whatever cosmetic needs the car has, drive the shit out of it, and only fix critical Seville issues as they relate to mechanics... headgaskets, power steering, A/C etc. Its the only car where for most of the errors that show up on the display, you just learn to hit reset so they'll go away. This one we have occasionally shows a check tire monitor or the classic service stability sys message once in a while and really, I just don't care about fixing that like I used to. Curiously, the intermediate steering shaft and crankshaft position sensors seem to be issue-free on this car.

You have to "out-Seville" the Seville!

77CDV
10-06-10, 03:00 PM
Craig, you should do it! deVille or Fleetwood Brougham? :)

Either, but it would have to be a d'Elegance. :cloud9:

gdwriter
10-06-10, 04:18 PM
Either, but it would have to be a d'Elegance. :cloud9::yeah: Those pillowy seats are divine.

gdwriter
10-06-10, 04:33 PM
Its the only car where for most of the errors that show up on the display, you just learn to hit reset so they'll go away. This one we have occasionally shows a check tire monitor or the classic service stability sys message once in a while and really, I just don't care about fixing that like I used to. Curiously, the intermediate steering shaft and crankshaft position sensors seem to be issue-free on this car.

You have to "out-Seville" the Seville!I had the crankshaft position sensors replaced last fall; my mechanic was finally able to convince the warranty company that it made more sense to replace all four rather than wait for another to fail. It was like health insurance. You have to get pre-approval for certain procedures, then they'll pay whatever portion they want to of the repair, minus your deductible. Still, $100 is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

I've gotten the stability control message a couple of times, once after making a sudden stop. But no issues with it. And I know it works because I've triggered it a couple of times on some of the winding roads near my house. :burn:

How many miles are on Jesda's STS? I don't remember seeing that in his thread.

Playdrv4me
10-06-10, 04:46 PM
I had the crankshaft position sensors replaced last fall; my mechanic was finally able to convince the warranty company that it made more sense to replace all four rather than wait for another to fail. It was like health insurance. You have to get pre-approval for certain procedures, then they'll pay whatever portion they want to of the repair, minus your deductible. Still, $100 is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

I've gotten the stability control message a couple of times, once after making a sudden stop. But no issues with it. And I know it works because I've triggered it a couple of times on some of the winding roads near my house. :burn:

How many miles are on Jesda's STS? I don't remember seeing that in his thread.

113k Gary.

Jesda
10-06-10, 04:46 PM
I didn't drive my car for more than 10 minutes until yesterday. Looks like it has 113k.

ryannel2003
10-06-10, 05:14 PM
My problem is that I've tried to make my Seville as perfect as I possibly can... and when I fix something on the car it's always another thing that goes out. However, I've kinda stopped doing that because I haven't had the cash and there really isn't a point anymore as the car approaches 100k. Luckily, the car already had the HG's done so I'm not worried about that at this point. Car still looks and drives great. Right now the only thing bugging me is the partially burnt out 3rd LED brake light. Gonna get that replaced eventually; and need to re-glue the dash soon but again... I'm not too concerned about that now. Still love my car.

Playdrv4me
10-06-10, 05:42 PM
My problem is that I've tried to make my Seville as perfect as I possibly can... and when I fix something on the car it's always another thing that goes out. However, I've kinda stopped doing that because I haven't had the cash and there really isn't a point anymore as the car approaches 100k. Luckily, the car already had the HG's done so I'm not worried about that at this point. Car still looks and drives great. Right now the only thing bugging me is the partially burnt out 3rd LED brake light. Gonna get that replaced eventually; and need to re-glue the dash soon but again... I'm not too concerned about that now. Still love my car.

Leaving out cosmetic things induced by outside forces, this one needs the dash-pad reglued, the front center speaker replaced, and the headlights lightly sanded. There is a small exhaust leak in the back after the cat as well. All in all for a completely sight unseen bargain Seville, a pretty small list... for now anyway.

ryannel2003
10-06-10, 05:53 PM
Hows the suspension? I know at or around 100k miles they tend to wear out... mine will need struts/shocks within the next 20k miles. Not sure what route I'm going to take... maybe by that time i'll buy my '03 STS I want.

Playdrv4me
10-06-10, 06:02 PM
Hows the suspension? I know at or around 100k miles they tend to wear out... mine will need struts/shocks within the next 20k miles. Not sure what route I'm going to take... maybe by that time i'll buy my '03 STS I want.

The suspension is remarkably tight and supple. In fact, I would not be surprised if it has already been replaced, ESPECIALLY coming from the Northeast.

ted tcb
10-06-10, 06:36 PM
Me and Jesda do not typically agree on issues of vehicle condition, but when it comes to this generation of Sevilles, I think he has figured out the right approach. Basically, the only way to truly enjoy that car (and kind of an entertaining challenge) is to buy the most you possibly can for under 3 or 4 grand. Then, you work on whatever cosmetic needs the car has, drive the shit out of it, and only fix critical Seville issues as they relate to mechanics... headgaskets, power steering, A/C etc. Its the only car where for most of the errors that show up on the display, you just learn to hit reset so they'll go away. This one we have occasionally shows a check tire monitor or the classic service stability sys message once in a while and really, I just don't care about fixing that like I used to. Curiously, the intermediate steering shaft and crankshaft position sensors seem to be issue-free on this car.

You have to "out-Seville" the Seville!

Everytime I've purchased an STS (5x), I've searched for the best example I could find, telling myself that I will ignore all issues other than a major mechanical breakdown.
Problem is, once I start driving them, I want the cars to be perfect, and any little annoyance drives me nuts. So, I spent many hours chasing down gremlins that I should certainly just ignore.
On my 03 STS, I figured I could live with the suspension message.
I did, for awhile.
Unfortunately, clearing the DIC message doesn't change the fact that the car had
defaulted to the super soft mode. Any dip in the road, and two tons of Cadillac would bottom out. Really embarassing when passengers ask, WTF was that?
I could no longer live with the floating ride, and I wasn't holding my breath for Jake to follow through on new shocks, so I sold my 03 for $7k with about 85k on her. I paid around $8k for her, and put tires, RFB, coil packs and plugs into it.

I also had the warped dash pad, and my steering wheel was starting to creak.
This car has had the steering shaft fixed twice, CP sensors all changed, HID ballasts changed, wp changed, HVAC blend door fixed, yaw sensor changed, new factory Nav head unit changed, broken seat elements, plus tons of other stuff under warranty.
My GM dealer printed out about 5 pages of single spaced warranty repairs, likely totalling over $20k in the first 3 years of ownership.
When I reviewed the warranty history, I figured at least these problem areas had already been addressed. None of them failed during my ownership, so I was grateful for that.

The major powertrain mechanicals were solid as a rock.
The super soft shocks became more than I was able to live with, and a $4 solution wasn't going to happen. Getting $7k, as is, with a suspension code on
the DIC was pretty good money. The body of the car was flawless, which basically
sold the car.

Will I purchase a 6th STS?
Likely not, but I catch myself admiring them everytime I see the older fwd editions.
Thankfully, the newer RWD STS' do nothing for me.
Hate the CTS derived styling, and the ride is way too firm.

My Cadillac of choice now would be the restyled CTS.
Have to start watching their depreciation curve:)

Jesda
10-06-10, 07:17 PM
Seville is definitely not the car for a perfectionist... unless you have a generous warranty and some patience. It would drive a details person absolutely mad.

I'm in favor of the big picture. Errors and noises and other stuff dont bug me as long as the car feels solid and starts and runs well. I'm a "cover it with black tape" kind of guy as long as it feels good when I steer, brake, or accelerate. I think I might want to own a Caterham.
http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/13913/caterham_seven-L.jpg
I already have a scarf and hat picked out.

Playdrv4me
10-06-10, 07:25 PM
Speaking of details, those K-Body cars have the worst factory panel gaps of just about anything I've ever driven, including my Jeep TJ. I thought this silver one had been in a frontal collision because the hood to fender gap on the driver side is twice as wide as the nearly non-existant panel gap on the passenger side. However, after investigating pretty thoroughly, I can tell its never even had any paintwork... that's pretty well just how it came from the factory. I noticed a lot of these Sevilles, including this one, tend to have rather bulbous gaps between either of the front fenders and the doors, on one, or both sides.

orconn
10-06-10, 07:48 PM
Speaking of details, those K-Body cars have the worst factory panel gaps of just about anything I've ever driven, including my Jeep TJ. I thought this silver one had been in a frontal collision because the hood to fender gap on the driver side is twice as wide as the nearly non-existant panel gap on the passenger side. However, after investigating pretty thoroughly, I can tell its never even had any paintwork... that's pretty well just how it came from the factory. I noticed a lot of these Sevilles, including this one, tend to have rather bulbous gaps between either of the front fenders and the doors, on one, or both sides.

What do you mean by "bulbous gap?" I am not following you on this discription.

ted tcb
10-06-10, 08:02 PM
Bulbous gaps .... uneven spacing?

Jesda
10-06-10, 08:22 PM
Fenders and doors not lining up. Its funny how many of them are like that. You cant tell from the side but when you approach the car from the rear you can see the fender sticking out a quarter or half inch. Its quite hideous, and its visible on several Sevilles. Most don't have this problem, and some have this problem only on one side.

I swear, they were all drunk at Hamtramck. I'll get a picture.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-06-10, 08:31 PM
Sounds just like the corrupt UAW days of the early '70s.

drewsdeville
10-06-10, 08:34 PM
Fenders and doors not lining up. Its funny how many of them are like that. You cant tell from the side but when you approach the car from the rear you can see the fender sticking out a quarter or half inch. Its quite hideous, and its visible on several Sevilles. Most don't have this problem, and some have this problem only on one side.

I swear, they were all drunk at Hamtramck. I'll get a picture.

1/4-1/2"??? No...really? Are the slots even big enough to allow that much misalignment? Or, is the rad support that far off?

Jesda
10-06-10, 08:49 PM
Conversely, the 92-97 Sevilles and Devilles from the same plant were very well made, but in the absence of six sigma standards or advanced manufacturing techniques, GM simply slowed the production line down.

On the other hand, the K-body 2006+ DTS built in Hamtramck is the highest-rated full size car for initial quality, and its now one of GM's best plants, which is where the Volt will be built.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-06-10, 08:51 PM
Hamtramck is in Michigan, right?

Jesda
10-06-10, 08:51 PM
1/4-1/2"??? No...really? Are the slots even big enough to allow that much misalignment? Or, is the rad support that far off?

Its the back of the fender where it meets the door that usually sticks out.

77CDV
10-06-10, 08:52 PM
Hamtramck is in Michigan, right?

Used to be called Poletown in the pre-PC days.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-06-10, 08:57 PM
hahahaha Poletown hahaha

77CDV
10-06-10, 08:58 PM
Get your mind out of the gutter, Rawson! It was because of it's ethnic makeup! :lol:

Jesda
10-06-10, 09:09 PM
GM is famous for razing a well-known Polish community to build Cadillacs at Hamtramck.

LOL, my car is a product of cultural destruction. Feels good-bad.

ted tcb
10-06-10, 10:00 PM
Jesda, every 92-97 STS I've seen has a different body panel issue.

When you look at the rear wheel arches, where the bumper joins the arch, its always misaligned from
owner misuse.
When you tap the rear or front bumper on this design, it pushes forward into the wheel arch.

First thing I look at on an older STS, followed by wear and tear on the driver's seat bolster, steering wheel,
leather shifter, and arm rest console. Also, the driver's interior door handles tend to crack.

gdwriter
10-07-10, 12:48 PM
I noticed the front tires on Pugsley were low last night, so I went to the gas station to air them up. While there I took advantage of the bright gas station lights to try to pinpoint the rattle that was bugging the crap out of me. Turns out the jack wasn't properly secured in its storage bracket as were the tire changing tools. Put everything back in nice and snug and no more rattle. Glad it wasn't something loose in the rear suspension or a worn-out bushing.

Drove back over one of the back roads I take on may daily commute where there are three 90-degree turns, and I was reminded of the advantage of a lightweight car. It's much more tossable than the Seville, which weights about 1,400 lbs. more. I could just whip through those curves, even though I take them at a pretty good clip in the Seville. Very neutral as well. Goosed it after the last turn where there's a mile-long straightaway, and got the VTEC to kick in. I'm still surprised others have found the 4-cylinder Accord to be slow; it's probably the most responsive 4-cylinder car I've driven, other than a Miata.

Jesda
10-07-10, 01:39 PM
Jesda, every 92-97 STS I've seen has a different body panel issue.


My '92 did too, but it was in several impacts.

I mean from the factory... 98+ rolled off the trucks and on to dealer lots with this bizarre gap. I dont know if it was an inconsistency in how the holes for the bolts lined up or if some step in the process was missed. Its so bizarre because nothing actually looks bent.

orconn
10-07-10, 04:32 PM
My wife's 2002 SLS is near perfect as far as panel gaps and interior assembly items. But the design of the the dash and surround of the steering column just looks cheap. After much "hoop blah" about how the '98 Sevilles were supposed to re-establish Cadillac as a "world" car, one would think they would at least paid attention to those car's build quality!

ted tcb
10-07-10, 07:42 PM
I agree.
I like the teardrop style of the dash and the zebrano wood treatment, but the poor assembly quality and
cheap, hard plastics hamper the overall enjoyment of the interior.

For a flagship model, I always felt Cadillac should've improved the interior materals between 1998 and 2003.
By 2003, I feel that BMW, Audi, and Lexus had far surpassed Cadillac with interior designs.
In 1998, the STS was pretty cool ... but it definitely needed a mid model refresher.

orconn
10-07-10, 07:55 PM
Used to be called Poletown in the pre-PC days.

Actually I think, Hamtramck (pronounced Ham Tram Ick by the locals) used to be called Polacktown and was the the home of some of the best Kilbase (sausage) sauerkraut and potatoes, not to mention polka bands, vodka and beautiful Polish women in the United States. And to think GM and the Cadillac Motor Division screwed all that up!

Stingroo
10-07-10, 11:01 PM
Mm... kielbasa....

Damn I'm hungry.

77CDV
10-07-10, 11:07 PM
Mit sauerkraut! :drool:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-07-10, 11:21 PM
I noticed the front tires on Pugsley were low last night, so I went to the gas station to air them up. While there I took advantage of the bright gas station lights to try to pinpoint the rattle that was bugging the crap out of me. Turns out the jack wasn't properly secured in its storage bracket as were the tire changing tools. Put everything back in nice and snug and no more rattle. Glad it wasn't something loose in the rear suspension or a worn-out bushing.

Drove back over one of the back roads I take on may daily commute where there are three 90-degree turns, and I was reminded of the advantage of a lightweight car. It's much more tossable than the Seville, which weights about 1,400 lbs. more. I could just whip through those curves, even though I take them at a pretty good clip in the Seville. Very neutral as well. Goosed it after the last turn where there's a mile-long straightaway, and got the VTEC to kick in. I'm still surprised others have found the 4-cylinder Accord to be slow; it's probably the most responsive 4-cylinder car I've driven, other than a Miata.

When did your Honda come back into the picture? Did I miss out on something here?

Stingroo
10-07-10, 11:22 PM
In another thread, yeah Chad, you did. His niece who he sold the car to is in town.

gdwriter
10-08-10, 01:39 AM
Chelsea is living with me temporarily. She has moved to Oregon to restart college, first at a community college in Salem, than transferring to OSU once she's established Oregon residency. She'll likely be living at my house until the end of the year.

Koooop
10-08-10, 01:43 AM
1984 Maserati Quatro Porte Royale. 5 spd stick, SS motor, 4 double throat down draft webers, headers, 10 inch glass packs, DOHC V8 and lowered from the factory. This car was custom made by Maserati, very little was similar to what was sold in this country. The leather was like sinking into a well worn glove, the burlwood was beautiful. This thing was a rocket sled on rails.

Boing!

orconn
10-08-10, 07:54 PM
I don't know if I ever saw one like yours, but there were a few to be seen around my neighborhood in the 1980's. This Maserati Quattro Porte sold quite well (for a Maser) in Europe, but hardly made a ripple in the U.S. I drove one at a dealership once in the early '80's and was very impresssed, beautifully appointed, Italian leather at its' best! I personally would have preferred this Maser over any of the S class Mercedes selling new at the time, but it wouldn't have been practical for trips out of town as Maserati service is virtually non-existant oustside the L.A. and S.F. areas so I stuck with Jags.

How come you got rid of it? Can't be because you wanted something more unique!

Koooop
10-08-10, 08:24 PM
I got rid of it because a 23 year old drove it like a madman for 70,000 miles, the prior owner drove it just as hard for 20,000 miles. Imagine, you've got a heavily modified Ghibli SS motor shoe horned into a street car and you're 23. Every shift the exhaust screamed like you were tearing down a back stretch. I couldn't stay out the high RPMs because of the sound of the pipes, the car sounded like a 1960's Italian race car.

This one made something like 450HP with a 5spd and topped out past 170MPH, where the US version you drove likely made about 270HP, had an automatic and a top end around 130MPH.

The leather was special order in this car as well, the standard interior was incredible soft leather in a 4porte. The leather in this was like a well worn baseball glove, the thick stuff.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-09-10, 09:10 AM
Well, now I've gotta go find one of those and do as much "research" on it as I possibly can.... :)

Bro-Ham
10-09-10, 02:25 PM
What a great car - the Quattroporte! I'd drive one in a minute!!! Talk about exotic yet extraordinarily fabulous! :)

The Quattroporte in the 1980's was infamous for always leading the list when the "gas guzzler" tax was initiated. If I remember correctly, the EPA rated it at 8 city/10 hwy for gas mileage. The RR Silver Spirit/Spur were rated at 9 city/10 hwy, second on the list. I loved both cars, especially since they were put on a black list by some government wonks who wanted to tell the people what is PC or not.

A neighbor of my aunt and uncle in northern Minnesota had a series of two Quattroportes that he purchased new back in the early 1980's. Talk about far away from the nearest dealer - about 250 miles away! The guy drove the cars like a rocket ship! I remember how cool those cars were, one was a gorgeous dark brown, he traded the last one on a red 1985 Ferrari GTO which I bet he wishes he still owned, later he got a 1988 BMW 750iL, also a pretty dark brown. That guy is in his 80's now and drives - a Lexus LS! How times change. :) It's a funny little lakeshore country club community up there in the middle of nowhere. :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-09-10, 03:16 PM
Is that somewhere near Walker MN, Dave?

How could the Quattorporte get such bad mileage? 8/10 MPG is dismal, I mean like V-12 Lamborghini dismal or a 500 powered Coupe deVille with a misfire and a clogged catalytic converter dismal.

Bro-Ham
10-09-10, 03:50 PM
Is that somewhere near Walker MN, Dave?

How could the Quattorporte get such bad mileage? 8/10 MPG is dismal, I mean like V-12 Lamborghini dismal or a 500 powered Coupe deVille with a misfire and a clogged catalytic converter dismal.

Chad, on the iron range, near Gilbert on Lake Esquagama, which is near Biwabik/Eveleth/Virginia.

Yes, the Quattroporte, and RR's of the time, were complete guzzlers. All the RR's I owned consistently got 10 or 11 mpg no matter how I drove them. :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-09-10, 06:44 PM
I can see how the RR would be a guzzler, with a 6.75L V8 and a three speed automatic, but didn't the Quattroporte have a smaller V8?

Koooop
10-09-10, 08:37 PM
With the modified engine topped with 4 double throat webers (effectively 8 - 1 bbls), along with my heavy foot the car got 4-5 MPG. I think the beast tipped the scale at well over 5,000lbs.

The US 4porte models didn't make much torque, so you had to stand on 'em get that POS Chrysler Automatic to move one. Horrible MPG.

Koooop
10-09-10, 08:40 PM
I can see how the RR would be a guzzler, with a 6.75L V8 and a three speed automatic, but didn't the Quattroporte have a smaller V8?


The Rolls is no worse MPG than a 1977-1979 SDV. Same TH400 trans, similar displacement, carbureted... Moo.

the recluse
10-09-10, 09:49 PM
I've owned a lot of cars and driven a lot of others. My favorite would have to be my '88 Monte Carlo SS, unfortunately I haven't been able to work on it in about 7 years so it is slowly becoming my least favorite also.

The most fun I ever had driving a vehicle was one similar to this one:
http://www.holdengemini.net/images/feature/isuzu/daniel/daniel_pf60zzr01.jpg
http://www.holdengemini.net/images/feature/isuzu/daniel/daniel_pf60zzr03.jpg
1981 Isuzu I-Mark. THE most fun I ever had on 4 wheels. Mine was similar, other than the mirrors were on the doors and all the handles were shaved. I had redone the motor, drivetrain, and suspension 6 ways to Sunday and for a 1.8 liter 4 cylinder the thing was FAST. You could enter a highway cloverleaf at about 80 and the thing would just stick. Could keep up with a 5.0 mustang off the line for a good 100 feet and topped out at about 125 mph all while getting 25 mpg highway.

Unfortunately it's number one nemesis was stupidity as some moron ran out in front of me in traffic. To avoid t-boning the guy and killing him, I slid the car into on-coming traffic and wiped the nose off the car. The parts for these cars are extremely hard to come by so I had to junk the thing. PISSED me off to no end to let it go, but,:noidea:what can you do...

Jesda
10-09-10, 10:52 PM
I'd love to have a G-body! Truly the last of their kind, not counting the Mark VIII and Thunderbird.

Did your Isuzu have the fender-mounted Japanese-spec rear view mirrors?

Stingroo
10-09-10, 11:01 PM
Jesda you need an Aerocoupe!

Or the Pontiac equivalent for even more quirkiness.

the recluse
10-09-10, 11:15 PM
Did your Isuzu have the fender-mounted Japanese-spec rear view mirrors?

Let's see....


1981 Isuzu I-Mark. THE most fun I ever had on 4 wheels. Mine was similar, other than the mirrors were on the doors and all the handles were shaved.

My Monte has basically been on blocks for 7 years and disgusts me for the fact I've got 75% of what I need to finish it, I just don't have any place to do it....

Jesda
10-09-10, 11:22 PM
Whoops! I stopped reading here:
"The most fun I ever had driving a vehicle was one similar to this one:"

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/4931/4001/24827000026_large.jpg
I'm partial to the Regal, but the SS had cool fenders.

Stingroo
10-09-10, 11:27 PM
Jesda, this is what I would picture you in:

http://www.faster340.com/tom/87mcss-2.jpg

The awesomeness cannot be contained. It simply refuses.

the recluse
10-09-10, 11:35 PM
I'm partial to the Regal, but the SS had cool fenders.

I love the '87 GNX, but since it is IMPOSSIBLE to acquire one of the 547 ever produced (one of which was traded in for C4C :rant2:) I settle for the Monte. The other G-bodies I've had were an '87 Cutlass, a '79 Monte, an '81 Monte, and another '86 Monte SS beater I've got in the back yard....

I would love an Aerocoupe, but hard to come by on my budget...

Stingroo
10-09-10, 11:38 PM
Hard to come by period, I would imagine. I've only seen TWO in real life. One my uncle owns, and the other was at the car museum we visited during the FL meet.

the recluse
10-09-10, 11:52 PM
Most rare is 1986 Aerocoupe. Only 200 ever made to get the car to qualify as a NASCAR contender....

Stingroo
10-09-10, 11:55 PM
Yeah, same story with the Pontiac version. That's the whole reason they were ever even built.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-10-10, 10:49 AM
I'd love to have a G-body! Truly the last of their kind, not counting the Mark VIII and Thunderbird.

Pick one up than! They're really easy to find around here anyways, because there were SO MANY made. I'm partial most to the 1981+ (after the facelift) coupes, and the Cutlass Supreme Brougham is my first choice, then the Regal Limited, then the Grand Prix LJ/LE then the Monte Carlo SS.

Obviously the Grand National/GNX is top dog on my list, but since those are so hard to come by and so expensive, I don't really even count them with the other G Bodies.

G Body sedans suck. Never looked as sexy or as cool as the coupes, they just looked staid.

Sandy
10-10-10, 09:35 PM
1. My 1975 Imperial LeBaron Crown St. Regis Coupe`
2. My 1968 Imperial Crown Convertible w/Bucket Seats & Console
3. My 1993 Cadillac Sixty Special
4. My 2003 Lincoln Town Car "Springtime Feature Car" ""The Limited""
5. My 1986 Lincoln Mark VI
5. My 1974 Imperial LeBaron 2-Door Hardtop
Car(s) I bought and hated:
1 & 2 & 3 & 4 - My 1998 Lincoln Mark VIII LSC Collector's edition---
http://thm-a03.yimg.com/nimage/9a1d92a2abcb1940
http://planetsmilies.net/vomit-smiley-31.gif

Jesda
10-10-10, 09:45 PM
If I found a clean and well cared for Mazda 929 (88-91) I'd buy it. Lots of fond memories, though I suspect the fun I had with it in my teens and early 20s clouds reality a bit. One had an oil pan rust out on me.


'92 Escort.

An underrated toss-able car

Stingroo
10-10-10, 09:47 PM
Not a fan of the 92-95 style, Jesda?

Jesda
10-10-10, 09:52 PM
Not a fan of the 92-95 style, Jesda?

Always loved but never owned one.

Stingroo
10-10-10, 10:14 PM
Ours has been... a love-hate relationship of sorts. Parts are IMPOSSIBLE to acquire.

SDCaddyLacky
10-11-10, 02:18 AM
My Favs

1. 61 Lincoln Continental
2. 68 Coupe Deville
3 94 FWB
4. 93 Town Car



My favorite car currently, is my 94 FW, I just love it. But if could drive it everyday to and from work, it would be my 61 Lincoln Continental, and the 68 Coupe Deville I previously owned. Both are great cars, the Caddy being bigger and having a lot of interior space, while the Lincoln is more compact, smaller on the inside, but rides and handles like a sports car, and built extremely well.

I haven't owned a bunch of cars over the years, since I haven't really needed to. My mom owned a 94 Honda Accord I used to drive around a lot in, it was stolen last year, that was such a great car. Nothing ever when wrong with it, everything still worked like new, and the engine and original trans had a 175,000 miles on the odo before it got stolen.

The 94-97 gen Honda's are one of, if not the most reliable best built Honda's ever made, even the 98+ models, weren't built as well and had more mechanical issues than the older models. It seems like the ones made in the US, had more problems. They also used cheaper quality materials and plastics in the 98+ years. I know, because she now owns a 98 Accord 3.0 V-Tec Coupe, and the interior isn't as nice as the 94, lower quality vinyl and plastics, plus the body makes creaking noises and rides really harsh compared to the old Honda. The best thing about the car though, is the V6, and how the car feels so sporty to drive. My biggest gripe are the trannys during these years, they are known to be notoriously unreliable, and her car is already experiencing hard down shifts, and non accurate shift points, especially from first to second gear, it revs up to 3000 RPM's when barley touching the gas, and you go nowhere. You literally have to tap the gas pedal for it the shift correctly, it shouldn't have to be that way.

Bro-Ham
10-11-10, 10:53 AM
The Rolls is no worse MPG than a 1977-1979 SDV. Same TH400 trans, similar displacement, carbureted... Moo.

In my experience there is a 4-5 MPG difference between a 77-79 deVille and a Rolls-Royce of the same model years. You're right, same basic engine size and exact same tranny, but the Cad weighs over 500+ pounds less.

I've owned five RR's, two 1980 Silver Shadow II's, a 1986 Silver Spirit, 1984 Silver Spirit, and a 1991 Silver Spur II - - they were all 11 MPG cars no matter how I drove them, and I drove the wheels off of them. By contrast, my 79 Sedan deVille is a consistent 15 MPG.

orconn
10-11-10, 12:41 PM
My Favs

1. 61 Lincoln Continental
2. 68 Coupe Deville
3 94 FWB
4. 93 Town Car



My favorite car currently, is my 94 FW, I just love it. But if could drive it everyday to and from work, it would be my 61 Lincoln Continental, and the 68 Coupe Deville I previously owned. Both are great cars, the Caddy being bigger and having a lot of interior space, while the Lincoln is more compact, smaller on the inside, but rides and handles like a sports car, and built extremely well.

I haven't owned a bunch of cars over the years, since I haven't really needed to. My mom owned a 94 Honda Accord I used to drive around a lot in, it was stolen last year, that was such a great car. Nothing ever when wrong with it, everything still worked like new, and the engine and original trans had a 175,000 miles on the odo before it got stolen.

The 94-97 gen Honda's are one of, if not the most reliable best built Honda's ever made, even the 98+ models, weren't built as well and had more mechanical issues than the older models. It seems like the ones made in the US, had more problems. They also used cheaper quality materials and plastics in the 98+ years. I know, because she now owns a 98 Accord 3.0 V-Tec Coupe, and the interior isn't as nice as the 94, lower quality vinyl and plastics, plus the body makes creaking noises and rides really harsh compared to the old Honda. The best thing about the car though, is the V6, and how the car feels so sporty to drive. My biggest gripe are the trannys during these years, they are known to be notoriously unreliable, and her car is already experiencing hard down shifts, and non accurate shift points, especially from first to second gear, it revs up to 3000 RPM's when barley touching the gas, and you go nowhere. You literally have to tap the gas pedal for it the shift correctly, it shouldn't have to be that way.

I agree that '61 Continental were well built, but please tell what you did to your car to "ride and handle"mlike a sportscar!!? I drove these cars when they were new and while they were powerful enough for their day, the very last thing I would say about them is that they handled well. Compared to Cadillacs, or even Chevys, of their day they drove like loosely suspended bricks, truly along with other Ford premium products to follow among the very worst handling cars I have ever driven!

SDCaddyLacky
10-11-10, 01:29 PM
I agree that '61 Continental were well built, but please tell what you did to your car to "ride and handle"mlike a sportscar!!? I drove these cars when they were new and while they were powerful enough for their day, the very last thing I would say about them is that they handled well. Compared to Cadillacs, or even Chevys, of their day they drove like loosely suspended bricks, truly along with other Ford premium products to follow among the very worst handling cars I have ever driven!


Well I put new shocks in the car, which really made a difference, let me just say, these cars are easier to drive than my Cad's. Compared to my 68 Coupe Deville and 72 Deville, the Lincoln has a smaller interior, with a short deck. This gives a sense of a much smaller car, but when I had my Caddy and the Continental side by side to one another, the Lincoln wasn't that much shorter than the Caddy, it's the way the roof line is designed, and overall styling of the Lincoln which makes it feels like a sporty car than a huge boat on wheels. Yes the steering is numb, but the car has a low amount of body lean when I take turns, and doesn't feel hard to drive. I cater this to it's low profile, I swear these cars are factory lowriders! Haha.

How would you compare the 60's Lincolns to the 60's Cadillac's? I know the performance goes to Caddy, but what about interior design, ride quality and quality of materials used. One Thing I can say about these Continentals, is they are over engineered and over built. Even though the body has no frame, (Uni-Body) it feels extremely tight- solid, like a tank. Nothing rattles in my car, even though it's about 50 years old.

orconn
10-11-10, 03:00 PM
I definitely agree that the '61 forward Lincoln Continentals seemed higher quality in materials and workmanship than equivalent Cadillacs. I also prefer the deisgn of this vintage Lincoln over their Cadillac counterparts. I just could never get over the "numb" steering and Jello on a saucer handling. I drove several of these Lincolns that relatives had and also owned a '67 Thunderbird coupe (which was also, while not up to Continental standards, still a well built car with decent materials ...... but it was the worst handling car I ever owned, and that includes some 50's Cads and Olds that my parents owned.

Of sixties American collector cars the Lincoln Continental convertibles rank among the most desirable, IMO.

OffThaHorseCEO
10-11-10, 03:45 PM
1) 1989 Cadillac Allanté
2) 2001 Cadillac DTS
3) 1993 Buick Roadmaster Limited

the Roadmaster was my first actual car, i had cars before then but they ran like crap and didnt stay on the road more than two weeks at a time. The TBI350 had plenty of power for me, the seats were comfy and the cabin was very roomy. It turned me on to luxury cars, even if you would only classify it as a semi-luxury car. The only pics i have i took after i had to change my tires, and couldnt find a hub cap key. i had to destroy the hubcaps unfortunately
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/Offthahorseceo/Roadmaster/caddymod/43630027.jpg


I also had a 2001 DeVille, it was a NICE car but i could never love it, because i always lusted after the DTS. Maybe it was just the color i chose, but the Deville looked like an old people car, in a way that the DTS didnt. On the other hand, maybe the DTS turbine 17's made that much of a difference
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/Offthahorseceo/Caddy/P4050016.jpg


Once i got the DTS it was the ultimate cruiser. It was quiet and smooth, and if i had the radio turned slightly up the bass hit hard but clean. I credit this as much to my installation skills as to the way the car was built. This car SPOILED me! Twilight Sentinel, Rainsense wipers, auto-memory-heated-massaging driver seat and heated front and rear seats, power-auto-memory tilt column, night vision, rear park assist, auto rear dipping passenger mirror, meant all i had to do was get in and DRIVE. 300hp N* was plenty powerful for me, the DTS interior didnt FEEL as roomy as the roadmaster, but it was more than i needed anyway. I also loved the way the car handled, much more sporty than the deville AND roadmaster but not still calm and collected when cruising. After just putting these words down, im gonna have to re-designate this one as my #1 Favorite car ive owned haha
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/Offthahorseceo/Caddy/P8260090.jpg

Next came the 1996 ETC, wow. i fell in love with the styling of this car, and i admit it felt even sportier than the DTS. But it was a pain in the ass. First the trans crapped out on me repeatedly, then the sunroof started leaking, then the car started overheating, then, from the sunroof leaking, the interior started falling apart, then the sunroof itself started falling apart. I liked the car, it was just a huge pain. I dont have any pics of it, it was green with neutral interior.

Traded in the ETC for an SRX. 04 V8N* AWD with MRC and Ultraview. WOW. This thing is solid. It doesnt evoke as many emotions or grins as the DTS did, but cleaned up it does look very nice IMO. The v8 has gobs of power and combined with AWD this thing flies effortlessly. I recently had it in the shop for accident repair, drove the allante for a month then hopped in the SRX, I love my Allante but the comfort in the SRX is on a whole other level. Some of the things I was disappointed with was the lack of Rainsense wipers, lack of underhood light, and lack of power steering column. I still love our SRX though
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/Offthahorseceo/utf-8BSU1HMDAxNjgtMjAxMDA4MTctMDE0OS5qcGc.jpg

Last but not least, the 89 Allanté. This car is mechanically sound, and i love it. being a 22 year old car, some things need reconditioning but nothing major. i never new a convertible could be such a cool car. i never thought id own a 2 seater either haha. You can tell this car was built well, maybe not the best of its time, but good quality nonetheless. I havent detailed it yet because i want to get everything put back together and do a full detail. but ill post a pic of it as soon as i do.

Koooop
10-11-10, 08:02 PM
In my experience there is a 4-5 MPG difference between a 77-79 deVille and a Rolls-Royce of the same model years. You're right, same basic engine size and exact same tranny, but the Cad weighs over 500+ pounds less.

I've owned five RR's, two 1980 Silver Shadow II's, a 1986 Silver Spirit, 1984 Silver Spirit, and a 1991 Silver Spur II - - they were all 11 MPG cars no matter how I drove them, and I drove the wheels off of them. By contrast, my 79 Sedan deVille is a consistent 15 MPG.

All of my 77-80 SDV's pretty much got the same MPG no matter what, 11-12MPG city, highway, uphill, downhill, towing my boat it didn't matter, even the 368 in the 80 SDV got 11. You probably have a lighter foot than I do.

My parents always had a Rolls, they still have one it's an 85 Spirit in Vermillion over Light Creme. It gets 11MPG as well. I may have christened a couple of them on dates back in high school.

ga_etc
10-11-10, 10:45 PM
Everytime I've purchased an STS (5x), I've searched for the best example I could find, telling myself that I will ignore all issues other than a major mechanical breakdown.
Problem is, once I start driving them, I want the cars to be perfect, and any little annoyance drives me nuts. So, I spent many hours chasing down gremlins that I should certainly just ignore.
On my 03 STS, I figured I could live with the suspension message.
I did, for awhile.
Unfortunately, clearing the DIC message doesn't change the fact that the car had
defaulted to the super soft mode. Any dip in the road, and two tons of Cadillac would bottom out. Really embarassing when passengers ask, WTF was that?
I could no longer live with the floating ride, and I wasn't holding my breath for Jake to follow through on new shocks, so I sold my 03 for $7k with about 85k on her. I paid around $8k for her, and put tires, RFB, coil packs and plugs into it.

I also had the warped dash pad, and my steering wheel was starting to creak.
This car has had the steering shaft fixed twice, CP sensors all changed, HID ballasts changed, wp changed, HVAC blend door fixed, yaw sensor changed, new factory Nav head unit changed, broken seat elements, plus tons of other stuff under warranty.
My GM dealer printed out about 5 pages of single spaced warranty repairs, likely totalling over $20k in the first 3 years of ownership.
When I reviewed the warranty history, I figured at least these problem areas had already been addressed. None of them failed during my ownership, so I was grateful for that.

The major powertrain mechanicals were solid as a rock.
The super soft shocks became more than I was able to live with, and a $4 solution wasn't going to happen. Getting $7k, as is, with a suspension code on
the DIC was pretty good money. The body of the car was flawless, which basically
sold the car.

Will I purchase a 6th STS?
Likely not, but I catch myself admiring them everytime I see the older fwd editions.
Thankfully, the newer RWD STS' do nothing for me.
Hate the CTS derived styling, and the ride is way too firm.

My Cadillac of choice now would be the restyled CTS.
Have to start watching their depreciation curve:)

Wow. :bonkers: Every once in a while I think about trading the ETC in for an '02-'03 STS with MagneRide... I think I'll keep Kathy in the driveway.

Jesda
10-11-10, 10:54 PM
I always thought Magneride was much cheaper to repair than CVRSS? And I thought it was supposed to be good for 200k due to the simplicity of the system.

Playdrv4me
10-11-10, 10:57 PM
Those N* SRXs were sorely overpriced when they came out but are such a fantastic bargain now for that category of vehicle. I sat in one after the interior makeover a few years ago and was amazed by the quality and fit and finish in there.

ga_etc
10-11-10, 11:09 PM
I have loved just about every vehicle that I've had, but the ETC is my favorite to this point. I affectionately refer to her as Kathy. She's named so, after Kathy Griffin, because she's red headed and has a mind of her own at times. She just tripped 134,000 miles this morning on my way to work. I've enjoyed 2 years 3 months and 36,000 miles behind the wheel. There are 2 maintenance issues that need to be addressed right now, but nothing major. She hasn't let me down yet.

Bro-Ham
10-11-10, 11:47 PM
All of my 77-80 SDV's pretty much got the same MPG no matter what, 11-12MPG city, highway, uphill, downhill, towing my boat it didn't matter, even the 368 in the 80 SDV got 11. You probably have a lighter foot than I do.

My parents always had a Rolls, they still have one it's an 85 Spirit in Vermillion over Light Creme. It gets 11MPG as well. I may have christened a couple of them on dates back in high school.

I don't have a heavy foot with my cars, they live an easy life with no beatings. :)

My favorite RR was my 84 Spirit which was Tudor Red with beige leather piped in red contrasted with red carpets bound in beige. So sexy. :)

ted tcb
10-12-10, 12:19 AM
I always thought Magneride was much cheaper to repair than CVRSS? And I thought it was supposed to be good for 200k due to the simplicity of the system.

Its hard to tell if the shocks were the problem.

The wires/connectors had basically rusted away with our climate, and the dealer's code reader mentioned
something about open circuits.
They were no guarantees on how much it would take to cure the shock issues.
To be honest, the car came to me with the suspension issue.
I was aware of it, and overlooked it because of the superb condition ... not a single stone chip or ding.
Thought I could live with the car, because my test ride was on the hwy, focusing on wheel shimmy.
Unfortunately, my actual driving is strictly in town, and the soft default suspension drove me nuts.
A more dedicated enthusiast would've chased down the wiring issues ... it looked like someone had removed
any wires that should've been there.
Had to be a reason for removing the electronics, but who knows what the original issue was?

I had just spent $1485 on coil packs and plugs to cure a misfire, and $800 on tires and RFB balancing.
I hated the default soft ride .... not the cars fault, I know, but I didn't have the heart/inclination to chase down the
suspension issues.

The car still looked fabulous, and drove nicely at reasonable speeds.
Little things started to annoy me, like the squeaking center armrest and warped dash pad.

It might've been a great car for someone else ... I tired of it much quicker than I thought I would.
It happens.

Reading the warranty repair checklist was sobering, to say the least.
The service writer was amazed when she pulled the file off her printer.
GM sure lost money on the warranty payouts with this one .... maybe it was just the proverbial lemon?

Koooop
10-12-10, 12:31 AM
Dad's RR next to my Vette at a show. Pops bought the Vette new in 68, I just kept the Vette for some reason. I keep kidding him that I'm going to take that Rolly away in a few years, slap on some Dubs, Flame it out and put on some Glass packs. Funny thing is he know's I'm not kidding.

Jesda
10-12-10, 01:26 AM
Reading the warranty repair checklist was sobering, to say the least.
The service writer was amazed when she pulled the file off her printer.
GM sure lost money on the warranty payouts with this one .... maybe it was just the proverbial lemon?

Aww, that's a darn shame. :(

The history of my 1990 Q45 was similar. The previous owner who bought the car at less than 2 years old in 1992 spent tens of thousands not on maintenance, but on things that broke. The transmission blew at about 70k, and in his records he even included a receipt for the airfare he purchased to get home. It went through nearly two dozen fuel injectors and a couple pumps over 16 years and was continuing to eat through more under my ownership. It didn't help that Infiniti NA decided to jack up prices on older parts by 20% in 2006.

Despite being a sparkling clean California car, I let it go. All those years of California's corrosive fuel additives were taking their toll on the fuel system.

http://www.q45.org/uploads/90Q45/100_2706.JPG

Its funny, despite being in great shape, the last owner let it go because it was making his property look cheap. :)

ted tcb
10-12-10, 09:56 AM
I've only driven a Q45 once.
In 1993, I met up with my godfather in Sarasota ... he had a used, all black Q .... I'm guessing a 1990 or 91.

I had driven down from Ontario in a 1988 LSC, and remember thinking the Q was much faster and handled/tracked
much nicer.
Favourite feature was an adjustable center armrest.

Very nice car .... I notice over at the Nico forums the Q section is pretty much dead.
Conversely, the older LS400 forums are thriving with interest over at Club Lexus.
My take on it is more LS' survived because more were sold, driven more conservatively, and
the drivetrains were ridiculously overbuilt.
No question, though, that Q I drove was more fun to drive than my 2000 LS400.

Koooop
10-12-10, 02:12 PM
I had a loaded to the nutz 1995 Q45t for a few years, I sold it to my assitant at 90,000 miles. She still drives it, must have 140,000 by now. The only thing I ever used the warranty for was a turbine sensor, cleaning the throttle body a few times and a few set of front shocks. (I blew the front shocks, I can't blame the car). Incredible, bullet proof car I loved it! My assistant had to do a transmission and a couple of electrical things, but pretty minor considering the miles and age. One of the guys here at work has a 91 with something over 200,000 on it.

Fast, great handling car for the day. I loved that car, it was a tough act to follow.

Jesda
10-12-10, 02:52 PM
Conversely, the older LS400 forums are thriving with interest over at Club Lexus.
My take on it is more LS' survived because more were sold, driven more conservatively, and
the drivetrains were ridiculously overbuilt.
No question, though, that Q I drove was more fun to drive than my 2000 LS400.

Plastic timing chain guides on 90-92 probably killed several of those. Some have guides that failed under warranty and received new engines, or like my green '92 had guides that failed in such a way that it didn't do any noticeable damage, just coughed bits of plastic into the oil pan.

Then there's the 90-93 transmissions and their lack of sufficient cooling.

The only examples I still see on the road are typically in Georgia. T3 Automotive handles a LOT of Lexus and Infiniti service in Marietta, with several parts cars on their lot.

I used to get several emails and phone calls from people who visited q45.org, but that's died down a lot in the past few years.

I miss the sound of the VH45, but after diving into every nook and cranny of the car I finally got burned out. It also doesn't help that Nissan stopped building the model range -- the previous cars will be quietly forgotten.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZNPsBa2Ddk

Koooop
10-12-10, 04:58 PM
This probably would have made my favorite list if I could have gotten the supercharger installed. The shop had so many cars in front of me I got bored with the car waiting. Nice car, sweet little V8.

Stingroo
10-12-10, 05:12 PM
I love the looks of the LS. I really wanted one as a first car, but they were still too much money. Great looking car.

jedhead
10-12-10, 05:40 PM
My favorite car is my first car 1974 Jensen-Healey. For the time the type 907 Lotus DOHC engine was very advanced. The car rode and handled very well and it served its main purpose attracting girls very well.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/239846/fullsize/jensenhealey2.jpg

I love my current daily driver STS-V. I wish I could afford to buy a couple more just so I would have a ready replacement when I wear the current driver out. I do wish the the car was little more reliable.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/757522/original/dsc_0054.jpg

Bob

Playdrv4me
10-12-10, 06:13 PM
This probably would have made my favorite list if I could have gotten the supercharger installed. The shop had so many cars in front of me I got bored with the car waiting. Nice car, sweet little V8.

It's probably just as well, if I was going to drop the coin to supercharge an LS, it would definitely be a 2003+ model and especially the LSE with THX Nav, heated and cooled seats and HIDs... These were such an incremental yet drastic improvement over the 2000-'02 in so many small ways.

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss286/sabianman1/miscphotos166.jpg

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss286/sabianman1/miscphotos168.jpg

ryannel2003
10-12-10, 06:59 PM
I ADORE the LS. It's such a good looking car... and I'm not a Lincoln fan at all. I have actually considered replacing my STS with an LS but the interior feels so much more cut rate than the Seville even though it's built alot better. Plus, I've heard reliability isn't that much better than the Seville's either.

Playdrv4me
10-12-10, 07:11 PM
I ADORE the LS. It's such a good looking car... and I'm not a Lincoln fan at all. I have actually considered replacing my STS with an LS but the interior feels so much more cut rate than the Seville even though it's built alot better. Plus, I've heard reliability isn't that much better than the Seville's either.

They tend to have problems with the ignition system, but by and large the things that break on the LS are in a whole different class of cost to repair than the Seville. To my understanding, you don't have oil leaks and coolant issues with the LS, just a lot of typical Ford small annoyances. The interior isn't as nice quality as the Seville either, but its much better put together and technologically speaking, I like the available features in the later model a lot more than the Seville. It has a great Nav unit, THX sound, heated and cooled seats and other niceties. FWIW, the seat ventilation in Lincoln vehicles is one of the few I can actually FEEL... which is to say for most people it would be VERY good.

Koooop
10-12-10, 10:54 PM
My understanding of the LS is the car is just as reliable as a town car. Except the rear windows has some minor issues. The interior was pretty crappy next to an STS is an understatment, but the car as a whole makes up for that with Rear wheel drive, it's not a Northstar, the handling is excellent, the transmission works great. To bad it was nearly impossible to mod, the only guy that could put a supercharger on one and make it work is dead. Ford should've put a more powerful mill in the car, the little V8 was nice and crisp but it needed 150 more HP to make the car what it could have been.

Playdrv4me
10-13-10, 12:08 AM
They have ignition coil issues and the 2000s have serious transmission problems. Nothing else on the level of the N* Cadillacs though. For what it costs to S/C the LS, you're better off just buying a 2003 to '05 S Type R and having it done from the factory with as cheap as those have become. Not to mention the significantly improved interior.

ryannel2003
10-13-10, 12:16 AM
Ah the Jag S-Type... another car that I love. When they redesigned the interior in the '03+ models, it just took the whole car to another level IMO. Before I bought the STS I was looking at A6, 5-Series, GS400, and the S-Type. If I could go back... i think I would have ended up with the E39 5-series. I love the Seville but BMW really did an amazing job with those cars. I still need to drive one.

Koooop
10-13-10, 12:44 AM
At the time I bought the LS V8 it was around $14,000 with 15k miles in late '03. The S type R used was over $40,000 at that time. I planned to mod the LS with a roots type supercharger and a posi rear end for about $12k - $14k. $28,000 total vs. $40,000+ and no one else would have had one plus, the SVC supercharged LS would tear the nuts off the S type R. SVC made the LS insane fast.

Stingroo
10-13-10, 01:00 AM
I hate the S-type R. It looks dated and boring to me. The LS looks sporty, fresh. I love it.

Playdrv4me
10-13-10, 01:39 AM
At the time I bought the LS V8 it was around $14,000 with 15k miles in late '03. The S type R used was over $40,000 at that time. I planned to mod the LS with a roots type supercharger and a posi rear end for about $12k - $14k. $28,000 total vs. $40,000+ and no one else would have had one plus, the SVC supercharged LS would tear the nuts off the S type R. SVC made the LS insane fast.

Oh I agree, back then it would have made sense, but now the S Type R costs 14k all by *itself* and still has increasing upgrade potential. There's better "guts" to start with and a far better interior.

Of course... now you can get a 2003 LS V8 Premium Sport for 8 grand... but I don't know if I'd dump another 10-15k into that car at this point. I do like them a ton though.

Playdrv4me
10-13-10, 01:49 AM
I hate the S-type R. It looks dated and boring to me. The LS looks sporty, fresh. I love it.

Funny, I like both cars just about equally (in both of their 2003 improved forms), but I feel just the opposite between both.

Koooop
10-13-10, 04:06 PM
The finalists on my short list when dumped the LS in December of '04 were:

CTS-V
S type R
XJR (the new bodystyle at the time)

While I love the classic style of the S type R, I eliminated it because the drivers position feel claustrophobic to me. The XJR was soooo tempting at 5,000 miles, $20,000 off sticker in that bright metalic Jaguar Racing Green over creme, but some guy put a 2005 1,100 mile 6 week old CTS-V on Autotrader at a HUGE discount and it just reeled me in. I have no regrets at all.

Playdrv4me
10-13-10, 06:10 PM
The finalists on my short list when dumped the LS in December of '04 were:

CTS-V
S type R
XJR (the new bodystyle at the time)

While I love the classic style of the S type R, I eliminated it because the drivers position feel claustrophobic to me. The XJR was soooo tempting at 5,000 miles, $20,000 off sticker in that bright metalic Jaguar Racing Green over creme, but some guy put a 2005 1,100 mile 6 week old CTS-V on Autotrader at a HUGE discount and it just reeled me in. I have no regrets at all.

Man... XJR... I *always* forget about it, and every time I look the prices have dropped even more precipitously than the last time I checked. The Jaguar XJR and for me, the Super V8 powered by the same motor are some of the best absolute bargains in that class of car right now, period. Granted, they're a little short on some of the MOST modern conveniences, but who the hell cares...

http://image.automobilemag.com/f/multimedia/photo_gallery/6693521+w1024+h768+st0/0511_jaguar_portfolio_04_1024.jpg

ryannel2003
10-13-10, 06:30 PM
Yeah because I thought a headgasket or CVRSS suspension replacement was expensive... everybody I have ever talked to who owned a Jaguar said they are electrical nightmares and everything is expensive to replace. Hell at least some of the parts on my STS are from the GM parts bin. Absolutely stunning car though.

Jesda
10-13-10, 06:36 PM
I'd like a Jag. Never owned or even driven one, and theyre SO pretty. I imagine much like the Seville the headache is worth the joy.

Late 90s XK8 is at the top of my list.

Jesda
10-13-10, 06:36 PM
I'd like a Jag. Never owned or even driven one, and theyre SO pretty. I imagine much like the Seville the headache is worth the joy.

Late 90s XK8 is at the top of my list.

ryannel2003
10-13-10, 06:54 PM
I like those older, Supercharged XJR's. Don't get me wrong, I love Jaguar's. But you do have a point... much like a Seville they are probably worth all the annoyances.

Speaking of Seville's, are you still enjoying yours?

Koooop
10-13-10, 08:06 PM
I like those older, Supercharged XJR's. Don't get me wrong, I love Jaguar's. But you do have a point... much like a Seville they are probably worth all the annoyances.

Speaking of Seville's, are you still enjoying yours?

I looked at and drove a number of the earlier XJR's as they seemed like a good buy (cars prior to 2003, the older body styles). The handling is best described as a "Carnival Ride". Fast, Scary and all over the place.

orconn
10-13-10, 08:08 PM
The difference between owning an old Jag and owning an old Seville is that when you want to take a trip outside a major metropolitan area you don't hesitate with the Seville (if you have kept it in good repar) because in all likelyhood there will be a Cadillac dealer, or someone who can repair it, within 100 miles of where ever you might be. Not so with the Jag, you may find yourself in the great hinterlands where Jaguar service is non-existent. The Seville is far less likely to strand you, while the Jaguar will probably have you looking for a rental and transport for your Jag back to a place that can or will fix it. Don't get me wrong I love Jags, but I am also realistic about the car's weak points. The old addage that "it's best to own two Jags ...... one to drive while the other one is in the shop!" for many is not far off the truth. I have always had good luck with Jags, but even I wouldn't have taken a vacation drive to the High Sierras of California in one. I have done so in a Seville and not thought twice about doing it. At worst Cadillacs can limp home, with a Jag you can expect to pay daily storage till the transport company can pick it up! The best way to enjoy a Jag is while it is under warrant and close to knowledgeable, competetent and reasonable service. My experience with my vintage Jag here in Ricmond leaves me with no confidence that this is a good place to own one and we have at least three indelpendent garages catering to vintage British and other foreign cars. These shops charge hourly rates equalling our local Cadillac franchise, but without the work warrantees and with young mechanics of dubious experience .... such a deal!

Sandy
10-13-10, 09:53 PM
My 5 IMPERIALS

1968 Crown Convertible - Lite Green & Dk, Green Int. & Leather Roof.
1972 LeBaron 4-Dr. Hdt. - Triple Black
1974 LeBaron 2-Door Hdt. - Triple Black
1976 LeBaron Crown St. Regis - Black-on-Black Cranberry Velour
1982 Imperial Coupe - Bright Gold, Gold Leather.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-13-10, 11:12 PM
I've never been a fan of the LS. Bland looks, too small, not my style. I'd go for the STS if given the choice. But, if given the choice between the LS and a Catera, LS all the way.

I'd really like a 98-03 XJ Jaguar. Preferably a Vanden Plas or Super V8, but I'm more of an S-Class traditionalist and I'm not in the realm of even thinking about buying European again. :) When I had that Mercedes, I always compared the XJ to them when I got the opportunity. The XJ was much lower, much tighter inside, much more nimble and lithe feeling. The S-Class was much bigger, much more stately and elegant in an old school way. I think there was like a six inch difference between the height of both cars too.

Playdrv4me
10-13-10, 11:31 PM
I think there was like a six inch difference between the height of both cars too.

Yea, that's the only thing I don't like about the XJ. Not that I would dare change it as it is part of the car's character... but being taller is a disadvantage in that car for sure.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-13-10, 11:39 PM
I always thought that in design and execution, the W140 was a lot more like a Rolls Royce than the XJ's were. Those older Rolls Royces were always so tall, boxy and so damn stately and elegant, just like the W140. The XJ's always reminded me of a Quattroporte, so much shorter, sportier, more of a driver's car than the others.

Playdrv4me
10-13-10, 11:42 PM
I always thought that in design and execution, the W140 was a lot more like a Rolls Royce than the XJ's were. Those older Rolls Royces were always so tall, boxy and so damn stately and elegant, just like the W140. The XJ's always reminded me of a Quattroporte, so much shorter, sportier, more of a driver's car than the others.

Funny you should mention this... a similar discussion came up over on the LS forum and I've always maintained that in sheer complexity and "over-wrought"ness, the W140 is probably the closest any MAINSTREAM model ever came to being a mass produced Rolls. Every nook and cranny in the W140 reveals some new and undiscovered way in which Mercedes over-engineered that car. Unfortunately, this is ultimately what also makes them a poor choice as a used car without an EXTENSIVE extended warranty.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-13-10, 11:44 PM
Story of my life, atleast from ages 20-22. :)

77CDV
10-14-10, 11:57 PM
I love the looks of the Jag, but even for me, interior space is way too tight, and I'm not a big person.

Jesda
10-15-10, 12:11 AM
I like those older, Supercharged XJR's. Don't get me wrong, I love Jaguar's. But you do have a point... much like a Seville they are probably worth all the annoyances.

Speaking of Seville's, are you still enjoying yours?

So far, so good! Just did tie rods and the exhaust resonator. Next its getting the body cleaned up with a little paint and some sanding done on the rust spots on the rear doors.

I'm also ordering a couple tires tonight.