: Just marking a sad occasion - Read This !



Sandy
10-01-10, 11:54 AM
Yesterday, Friday, Sept. 30th 2010, the very last MERCURY went down the assembly line. Mercury is done!
It joins from Chrysler Corporation, Imperial & Plymouth,
from General Motors Corporation, Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Saturn, and from
Ford Motor Company, now ... Mercury.

America brands are now down to 8

Chrysler, Dodge & Jeep
Ford = Lincoln & Ford
GM = Cadillac, Buick & Chevrolet.

Soon our vacant American plants will be building Japanesse and Koren cars for FOREIGN corporations, here, in the USA and the profits thereof will be flying back into those countries, as they get stronger & we get weaker and weaker !

8 brands -VS- over 28 brands.....who's gonna win ???

hueterm
10-01-10, 12:03 PM
Well, actually, the foreign companies will probably just build their own plants... There are 5 million sq. ft. of old Chrysler plant outside of STL that has been sitting there quite a while.... The however many million sq. ft. of old Ford plant was razed years ago...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-01-10, 12:55 PM
Mercury never really made anything appealing to me, but it's sad to see another American brand die.

Ranger
10-01-10, 01:38 PM
Anyone remember American made televisions (Admiral, Motorola, RCA, Zenith, Curtis Mathes, Philco)?

Fast forward

Anyone remember American made cars (Chrysler, Imperial & Plymouth, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Mercury, Dodge, Jeep, Ford , Lincoln, Cadillac, Buick, Chevrolet)? :nono:

ben.gators
10-01-10, 01:49 PM
Mercury.... that is not my favorite model. It never had independent character beyond Ford made cars, at least during recent years. However still that is sad to see death of a brand.

Submariner409
10-01-10, 02:29 PM
Mercury never really made anything appealing to me, but it's sad to see another American brand die.

I had 2 '67 Cougars - a 289 4-spd HiPo and a 289 3sp auto. Nice cars, fast, trouble free - drove both to 150,000+ with no problems (even the vacuum headlights worked).

creeker
10-01-10, 02:45 PM
The first two cars I owned while growing up were a 1940 merc. coupe and a 1947 mercury convertible,
my 47 was black with baby moons, whitewalls and a white top, nice and clean.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-01-10, 02:46 PM
Oh yeah, I guess I forgot those early Cougars, they were pretty cool too. I kinda like the 94-97 models with the V8 as well, and the fox body mustang based Capri wasn't too bad either.

Stingroo
10-01-10, 03:53 PM
I remember American made TV's. <_<

orconn
10-01-10, 04:50 PM
Anyone remember American made televisions (Admiral, Motorola, RCA, Zenith, Curtis Mathes, Philco)?

Fast forward

Anyone remember American made cars (Chrysler, Imperial & Plymouth, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Mercury, Dodge, Jeep, Ford , Lincoln, Cadillac, Buick, Chevrolet)? :nono:

You would of have to have been born before 1970 to remember any of those TVs, except Zenith, when they were made in the U.S. RCA started producing almost all the television sets for the U.S. market in Taiwan in the mid sixties. Their are a lot of products which have been made overseas (shifting production from one low labor cost site to an even cheaper on), the biggest benefit to the consumer came from the dirt cheap clothing that was produced everywhere from Sri Lanka to Mozambique with Haiti thrown in or good measure. Part of the reason that the American middle class standard of living remained somewhat high was the shift of production of American market goods to cheaper and cheaper sources of labor. Since the turn of the century (2000) the only thing keeping the standard of living up was cheap labor from overseas and cheap credit from Asia. Without those two factors the American middle class would have become aware much earlier that their standard of living had been deeply eroded. The federal government has to quit giving incentives to manufacrurers to move production overseas, this goes for service industries too, if we are to hope American middle class workers (white and blue collar) will have decent paying jobs in the future.

orconn
10-01-10, 04:51 PM
I remember American made TV's. <_<

Mayb in your former life, Stingroo!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-01-10, 05:21 PM
I vaguely remember seeing some Zenith TV's in the late '80s and early '90s. But, an uncle & aunt of mine had a 13" Curtis Mathes TV that they bought in 1982 (it still had rotary dials) and it was fully operational until a few years ago.

drewsdeville
10-01-10, 05:31 PM
Good riddance to Merc. For the past 30 years there hasn't been much distinctive from them. Merc had no identity, sandwiched between Ford and Lincoln. Ford's comparable models could be optioned just like a Merc but for less price, and Merc was always outclassed by Lincoln, which was priced only slightly above Mercs top models.

The only product I would have considered purchasing is the Grand Marquis, since most Vics are stripped down "vomit comets" (CV LX's are rare) and Town Cars are a ripoff, selling for far too much money for what you get. Even then, I never would have purchased a NEW Grand Marquis.

gdwriter
10-01-10, 05:39 PM
I had 2 '67 Cougars - a 289 4-spd HiPo and a 289 3sp auto. Nice cars, fast, trouble free - drove both to 150,000+ with no problems (even the vacuum headlights worked).I love the original Cougar. Probably the best looking Mercurys ever. Those sequential turn signals were so cool.

gary88
10-01-10, 05:41 PM
I only remember Zenith. I remember always seeing a huge Zenith sign on the highway near O'Hare as a kid.

Stingroo
10-01-10, 05:50 PM
We had a Curtis Mathis TV when I was little, and they had a store in my town until about the mid 90's.

orconn
10-01-10, 06:22 PM
I only remember Zenith. I remember always seeing a huge Zenith sign on the highway near O'Hare as a kid.

Even good ol' Zenith moved their manufacturing overseas, I think in the late eighties. They were the last of volume selling TV sets to be built here, The Curtis-Mathis was a specialty niche brand, I really don't where they were assembled but I bet they used components from Japan. The Japanese made the highest qualtiy TV components, along with the Taiwanese, from the sixties on throught the '90s. Many of the early off brand TV sets, like Hoffman, were really just RCA chassis housed in special unique to the off brand cabinets. With a few exceptions all the major brands were built overseas for the U.S. market. Ofcourse radion and stereo hi-fi equipment had long gone to overseas manufacture by the late sixties, and by then the Japanese brands had achieved "pretige"status in the that marketplace.

77CDV
10-01-10, 11:36 PM
The only Mercurys that really caught my fancy were the Sun Valleys and Turnpike Cruisers from the 1950s, and some of the 60s Colony Park station wagons. For at least the past 40 years, Mercury hasn't had anything that wasn't a thinly rebadged Ford. It was a brand created by Ford to fill a perceived need some 70 years ago, and it's creators decided it had outlived its usefulness.

orconn
10-02-10, 12:21 AM
But once there were 1955 Mercury Sun Valleys and '57 Turnpike Cruisers and, ofcourse '49 Merc coupes ... without them the fabric of our car history would be less colorful than it is today. Plymouths, Oldsmobiles, Pontiacs and Mercurys may have lost the significance and purpose in the American marketplace but for those of us who remember their days in the sun we mourn their fading from the scene and with it a bit of our youth.

I was never a fancier of the Mercury mark, feeling like others here that the brand was merely a refuge for the folks who just couldn't bring themselves to buy a used Lincoln ....or saw themselves unworthy of moving to a higher automotive plain than a gussied up Ford. But I know there will be those who will miss their stodgy presence on their Lincoln dealer's showroom floor. Personally, I miss not having Oldsmobile's experimenting with new technology a lot more than I will miss Mercury's "old maid of the auto biz" persona in the American car world.

gdwriter
10-02-10, 01:27 AM
I agree; Pontiac and Oldsmobile are more of a loss, especially since both were making some decent cars when they were axed. Considering Pontiac was the #3 nameplate in the Sixties and Oldsmobile was #3 in the Seventies, their downfall is even more sad. Other than the Cougar, I never saw much that was distinctive from Mercury (OK, the original Sable was pretty sharp, too). But other than the Road Runner and the '57-'58 Fury, I've always thought Plymouths were the epitome of frumpy.

Jesda
10-02-10, 04:02 AM
The only Mercury I'd buy is Jill Wagner.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-02-10, 08:53 AM
The only Mercury I'd buy is Jill Wagner.

I'll park my Grand Marquis in her garage anytime.

billc83
10-02-10, 11:32 AM
Perhaps we shouldn't view the loss of Mercury as a bad thing - they have only produced gussied up Fords since...well, just about their entire existence. The last exclusive Mercury product was the last generation Cougar. Everything else has just been like a Ford ordered with the Mercury package - slightly different styling and changes in trim. Besides superficial changes, they are the same product.

Instead of viewing it as the loss of a legitimate American brand, look at it as an amputation that will make its parent company (FoMoCo) stronger!

gdwriter
10-02-10, 11:43 AM
I'll park my Grand Marquis in her garage anytime.:histeric::histeric::histeric::histeric:

Man-whore

77CDV
10-02-10, 06:30 PM
I'll park my Tracer in her garage anytime.

Fixed. :duck: :lol:

orconn
10-02-10, 06:35 PM
Good fix, Craig, I would have tried to fix it myself but couldn't remember any of the "small" Mercurys!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-02-10, 07:30 PM
Fixed. :duck: :lol:

That's funny Craig. I didn't think that the Tracer was an adequate symbol for explosive virility.

77CDV
10-02-10, 08:12 PM
Sorry, Chad. Couldn't help myself. :halo:

hueterm
10-02-10, 08:18 PM
http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad279/hueterm/freddiemercury_promo.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-02-10, 08:29 PM
http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/01/20/17/20/1991_mercury_capri_2_dr_xr2_turbo_convertible-pic-47854.jpeg

orconn
10-02-10, 08:39 PM
^^^ What would Jill have to say about that? Even for money!

gdwriter
10-02-10, 09:53 PM
Fixed. :duck: :lol::zing:

I think Chad's more of a Lynx:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSRzTMjgVLxRq2VLsqrd4H3iPIkQUM1b TbV0ewdAiw9BxTD-EQ&t=1&usg=__XZm7TCuG981TkcpeNCrISs72Xs8=

The-Dullahan
10-03-10, 12:41 AM
Damn it. I hate to see American cars go, whether or not I like them.

An associate who does in fact drive a foreign car proposed an interesting yet ridiculous thesis to me recently.

To improve the American Economy, all owners of foreign cars must pay an annual "******* Tax" on each foreign car they have registered to them equal to one fourth of the car's value, but not to be less than $200 and failure to pay this tax will result in revoking the individual's license. The earnings of this tax, subtracting a small percent, would automatically be donated evenly to all American Car manufacturers.

I know it is an insane law and it would never pass, nonetheless would it be rather cruel...but I'd like to see it.

My car is American, naturally my television sets, all nine of them, though varying brands are American too.

77CDV
10-03-10, 01:41 AM
http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/01/20/17/20/1991_mercury_capri_2_dr_xr2_turbo_convertible-pic-47854.jpeg

If you're looking for Mercury's explosive small car, think Bobcat (aka Pinto).

77CDV
10-03-10, 01:44 AM
:zing:

I think Chad's more of a Lynx:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSRzTMjgVLxRq2VLsqrd4H3iPIkQUM1b TbV0ewdAiw9BxTD-EQ&t=1&usg=__XZm7TCuG981TkcpeNCrISs72Xs8=

As the Lynx is an undercover Escort, that would explain a lot, not least, all that money Chad's trying to hide. ;)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-03-10, 02:15 AM
If you're looking for Mercury's explosive small car, think Bobcat (aka Pinto).

Nah I was simply stating that the early '90s Mercury Capri was Mercury's equivalent of Freddie Mercury.

hueterm
10-03-10, 02:30 AM
One Mercury was too low budget for the other...I think you can guess the order... Freddie is more in line w/one of those designer Mark Vs...not that teal one...

77CDV
10-03-10, 03:28 PM
Nah I was simply stating that the early '90s Mercury Capri was Mercury's equivalent of Freddie Mercury.

Can a car be heteroflexible?

orconn
10-03-10, 04:36 PM
^^^ ofcourse, just look at the Mazda Miata ... beloved by man and woman and various others that drive!

EChas3
10-03-10, 08:22 PM
35 years ago in business school, we studied GM and Ford as contrasting corporate structures. GM acquired horizontally, forming a group of mostly independent car companies (at least back then). Ford acquired its suppliers and their suppliers; forming a more vertical corporate structure. Both were successful.

Chrysler was less successful, in large part because they were so heavily financed with debt (versus equity) that large economic swings were exagerated. Cost for debt (interest) is fixed when compared to equity (stock i.e. dividends). But when sales are soft, you still have to meet your payments. Equity could be more easily managed.

Since then, they stole each others bad ideas while cheap labor and better designs won their customers.

Bro-Ham
10-03-10, 08:47 PM
Chad, I'll help you and your manhood out:

http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/mercury/67mercury/bilder/3.jpg

:)

Bro-Ham
10-03-10, 08:51 PM
I particularly liked the big Mercs from the early 70's - some of the coolest looking cars and gorgeous interiors.

http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/mercury/72merc/bilder/5.jpg

PLUS, Steve McGarrett, always drove a Merc in Hawaii Five-O! :)

orconn
10-03-10, 09:04 PM
The only people I ever knew who drove those early Cougars were women .... usually girls', I knew, mothers!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-03-10, 09:24 PM
Yeah, when I was in high school, the FWD V6 Cougar was a total chick car. I knew a few cool dudes that drove the '90s era V8 Cougars.

Destroyer
10-03-10, 10:26 PM
Nah I was simply stating that the early '90s Mercury Capri was Mercury's equivalent of Freddie Mercury.That went over my head. Freddie Mercury was one of the greatest singers of our time and in the industry as a whole. Are you saying that the early '90's Capri was one of the greatest cars of our time and in the automotive industry? If so, it's cool as everyone is entitled to their opinion but it is a surprise. :thumbsup:

Jesda
10-03-10, 10:28 PM
I'll park my Grand Marquis in her garage anytime.

Nice :histeric:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-03-10, 10:35 PM
That went over my head. Freddie Mercury was one of the greatest singers of our time and in the industry as a whole. Are you saying that the early '90's Capri was one of the greatest cars of our time and in the automotive industry? If so, it's cool as everyone is entitled to their opinion but it is a surprise. :thumbsup:

Well then in that case, Freddie would be the Mercury equivalent of a '69 Cougar Eliminator. Freddie had an amazing voice.

hueterm
10-03-10, 11:08 PM
That '72 Marquis de Sade coupe looked pretty cool -- I'd drive that today....

My uncle has one, maybe a '76 or '77 coupe -- dark blue w/grey velour. Gorgeous, fender skirts, I think a moonroof...He's like 85 years old and still babies it. It sits next to an '89 TC.

hueterm
10-03-10, 11:19 PM
Well then in that case, Freddie would be the Mercury equivalent of a '69 Cougar Eliminator. Freddie had an amazing voice.


My point exactly....

Destroyer
10-03-10, 11:20 PM
Well then in that case, Freddie would be the Mercury equivalent of a '69 Cougar Eliminator. Freddie had an amazing voice.
..........a '69 Cougar Eliminator in pink!!!:lildevil:l . He did have an amazing voice! :highfive:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-03-10, 11:23 PM
Listening to him on "Somebody To Love" is amazing. Especially that part from 1:31 to 1:38 when he holds the "somebody to loooooooOOOOooooooOOOve" line.

Destroyer
10-03-10, 11:41 PM
Listening to him on "Somebody To Love" is amazing. Especially that part from 1:31 to 1:38 when he holds the "somebody to loooooooOOOOooooooOOOve" line.Good song but do you know this one?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_1IMZmJe-U

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-03-10, 11:51 PM
Not gonna lie, I'm not a Queen fan by and large, their music was too operatic and complicated for me. I do however think Freddie had an amazing voice.

hueterm
10-04-10, 11:50 PM
I prefer this "Mercury" thread now that I inadvertently jacked it from the original "Mercury" thread...(sorry to the thread starter...)

One Vision (better yet, Extended Vision) is completely awesome...however...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpys1c3jCNs

IMO beats it... Think of it as 'Bohemian Rhapsody' 1991...

And speaking of 'One Vision' -- its album "A Kind of Magic" contained the songs used in "Highlander" -- and apparently the rights have been secured for the new "Highlander" reboot :cool2:

orconn
10-05-10, 12:23 AM
Meanwhile, back at the auto cemetery.....

Stingroo
10-05-10, 12:41 AM
^^ Chrysler says hello.

Oh, sorry. Too early.

77CDV
10-06-10, 04:17 AM
Somehow, Chrysler seems to keep cheating the death it's so richly earned time and again. How many lives does that company have?

gdwriter
10-06-10, 02:30 PM
^^ Chrysler says hello.

Oh, sorry. Too early.:histeric: :histeric: :histeric:

POTD, Roo.

greencadillacmatt
10-07-10, 02:12 AM
I bought my first TV from a yard sale. It was a MONSTER of an old Zenith. It worked perfectly, except for the fact that it made everyone on TV purple...

Stingroo
10-07-10, 02:14 AM
:histeric: :histeric: :histeric:

POTD, Roo.

Thank you, sir. :thumbsup:

77CDV
10-07-10, 03:54 AM
I bought my first TV from a yard sale. It was a MONSTER of an old Zenith. It worked perfectly, except for the fact that it made everyone on TV purple...

We called that "living color". :lol:

Sandy
10-08-10, 06:32 PM
In an area (lets say within a county) if there was a Lincoln-Mercury dealer - but no Ford Dealership, he is okay. He can get a Ford dealership INTO his existing Lincoln dealership. BUT..... If there allread is a FORD dealership nearby, and the owner does not want to sell...... what will become of the left Lincoln dealership?
Can a Lincoln Solo make $$$$ enough $$$$$$ to continue?
Will this be the beginning of Lincoln Exclusive outlets? Or, might it be the beginning of the end of Lincoln ? DO ANY OF YOU PRESENTLY KNOW OF ANY LINCOLN-ONLY DEALERS ?

drewsdeville
10-08-10, 06:37 PM
I'm not sure about a Lincoln exclusive dealer, but in the last few years the Lincoln has been successfully moving away from it's rebadged Ford stigma and becoming it's own identity, finally. That's a good thing, makes Lincoln look more exclusive rather than just a poor mans luxury car like it has been for the last 20 years. Maybe the dealers are trying to use that as leverage.

Aren't Caddy dealers supposed to be exclusively Caddy now too? Now that I think about it, I only have two nearby where I occasionally get a parts search from, they are Caddy-only.

drewsdeville
10-08-10, 06:38 PM
I'm not sure about a Lincoln exclusive dealer, but in the last few years the Lincoln has been successfully moving away from it's rebadged Ford-with-leather-seats stigma and becoming it's own identity, finally. That's a good thing, makes Lincoln look more exclusive rather than just a poor mans luxury car like it has been for the last 20 years. Maybe the dealers are trying to use that as leverage.

Aren't Caddy dealers supposed to be exclusively Caddy now too? Now that I think about it, I only have two nearby where I occasionally get a parts search from, they are Caddy-only.

Jesda
10-09-10, 01:43 AM
Aren't Caddy dealers supposed to be exclusively Caddy now too? Now that I think about it, I only have two nearby where I occasionally get a parts search from, they are Caddy-only.

The Pontiac-Cadillac dealer I briefly worked for closed down a couple years ago and the Chevy dealer down the road is now Chevy-Cadillac.

Definitely not a luxury experience. A wide mix of people came into that dealership, from young girls looking for used Sunfires to older folks with some money buying DTSs.

dkozloski
10-09-10, 03:30 PM
To me, a Mercury was always a Canadian Ford pickup.

SDCaddyLacky
10-09-10, 04:42 PM
Mercury has been sucking for years, actually the only cool mercs that I have ever liked was the 49-50 and the 61-63 Meteor.

Mercury was always a less of a brand, even to Buick and Pontiac. It was like Fords redheaded step child that nobody gave a damn about. This is the best for Ford, I dont understand why they didn't just cut the brand years and years ago. If anything it was more of an embarrassment and waste of money on their part.

Now lets see what they do for Lincoln, and how this relief can hopefully improve Lincoln, from design, styling to performance that can keep up with Cadillac and all the other European luxury cars.

If Lincoln thinks that they can get away by building sub par cars that lacks an identity and performance is below the standards of today, they will also be headed in the Mercury direction if the leadership and management is not willing to change to take the steps that might be risky, but if they don't do anything and stay with the status Que, the end could be near.

creeker
10-09-10, 05:56 PM
[QUOTE=dkozloski;2384641]To me, a Mercury was always a Canadian Ford pickup.[/QUOTE

Yes, I think your right, and the monarch was the canadian mercury.

creeker
10-09-10, 06:02 PM
[QUOTE=dkozloski;2384641]To me, a Mercury was always a Canadian Ford pickup.[/QUOTE

Yes, I think your right, and the monarch was the canadian mercury.


I should have said the the canadian car version of the american mercury
was called a monarch.

CadillacCastle
10-11-10, 05:42 AM
Even good ol' Zenith moved their manufacturing overseas, I think in the late eighties. They were the last of volume selling TV sets to be built here, The Curtis-Mathis was a specialty niche brand, I really don't where they were assembled but I bet they used components from Japan. The Japanese made the highest qualtiy TV components, along with the Taiwanese, from the sixties on throught the '90s. Many of the early off brand TV sets, like Hoffman, were really just RCA chassis housed in special unique to the off brand cabinets. With a few exceptions all the major brands were built overseas for the U.S. market. Ofcourse radion and stereo hi-fi equipment had long gone to overseas manufacture by the late sixties, and by then the Japanese brands had achieved "pretige"status in the that marketplace. Curtis Mathis TVS were made in Athens Texas in 1983. I bought a 26" then for 1300.00. 1 year ago on black Friday I bought a Samsung 46" LED for 1600.00. Surprisingly I got a lot better TV for close to the same cost.