: iPod playlist song sequence



kbrooks
09-19-10, 04:07 PM
When I plug in an iPod and attempt to play a playlist, the nav unit resequences the playlist alphabetically by song name. Is there a way to play the sequence in its original order?

2010sled
09-19-10, 06:40 PM
In short (no)

KevinOpp
09-19-10, 09:44 PM
yeah, this sucks.....my wife just bought me the 160GB Classic so i can have virtually my entire music collection at my disposal, and then i find out it plays it back alphabetically whether i play by album or even playlist.

if i wanted random song playing, i could have bought an iPod Shuffle!!!

even more annoyingly, much of my music is live music/recorded concerts. this is bad enough on a studio album, but when it's a live show and it's jumping all over, and songs may typically have segues into each other (think the Grateful Dead/Phish/Widespread Panic), it completely destroys the mood of the show.

for me, this is basically a dealbreaker on using the iPod. if anyone makes me a great deal on a brand new 160GB Classic in silver, make yourself known......

KevinOpp
09-19-10, 11:33 PM
kbrooks---

i have a few other comments and thoughts.

first off, i went browsing through all the iPod-related posts in all cadillac forums; virtually everyone is only exceedingly compimentary to the system, and several people have said that Apple designed the system with GM to make the best iPod-ready stereo of all manfacturers. since you and i are seeing what seems like the most basic of mistakes, there seems to be something amiss........first off, how come no one else is mentioning this? and second, there is no way Apple would have let this slip through the design cracks if they did indeed work with GM. so i just have this uneasy feeling that somehow, we're missing something.

and i had an idea in terms of a workaround. assuming you're using iTunes to control your iPod, i wonder if there's a way to make a smart playlist or something so that when the music is loaded into the iPod, it uses the basic ID3 tags rather than the song titles. so basically, if we had album names but the songs were labled as "Track 1, Track 2, etc.", it should then play in the correct order. the downside is that we would miss our song titles in the display, but i for one would give that up in a heartbeat to play the albums correctly.

do you follow my line of thinking? if you have any ideas on any of these thoughts, please pass them along. and i'm going to muck around in iTunes to see if there's any way to load up an iPod in the way that i describe. although i probably can't without removing every track name in my library, and that AIN'T gonna happen. it took me a looong time to get all 12,500 tracks that i have all prettied up.

stevec5375
09-20-10, 08:34 AM
I know it defeats the purpose of having an iPod connected so that you can control it via the radio, but if you're desperate for song order, you could always use the Aux In and control your music from the iPod itself.

KevinOpp
09-20-10, 02:28 PM
I know it defeats the purpose of having an iPod connected so that you can control it via the radio, but if you're desperate for song order, you could always use the Aux In and control your music from the iPod itself.

through the 1/8" jack? sure, i guess i can, but--

--as you said, we lose the functionality through the screen (eyes forward, people!)
--then i also don't have a charging iPod, which sucks to have to worry about.

as i mentioned, this was a gift, and i was supposed to just chuck it in the console and never see it again, just let it do it's thing. my biggest surprise is still that many people are using their iPods (gatherred by searching these forums), but this is the only thread running this issue? is everyone else that "out of tune" with their music that they don't even realize it's randomly playing at all times?

KevinOpp
09-20-10, 04:41 PM
alright, hold all the horses here---

i tried calling Cadillac cust. service; that got me nowhere and was a fairly awful experience.

BUT, i grabbed a different iPod (Touch, 2nd gen.), plugged it into the USB, and..............everything worked normally. all albums and playlists played in their proper order.

so now i have to figure out if it's the iPods themselves that are making the difference, or the way the music was loaded onto the iPods in the first place. the one that i'm having trouble with is the brand-new 7th gen. classic----maybe the hardware reads differently?

and, fwiw i tried the AUX method with a 1/8" cable. it worked as expected, but not only did i lose nav screen controls and it won't charge, but more importantly, the sound was pretty muted and miserable. i had the 1/8" cable and the USB plugged in at the same time and even jumped back and forth between selecting USB or AUX while playing the same song, and the difference was light years apart. no one should listen to their music through the AUX if they can help it, based on that.

i'll repost when i've figured this out, and i will figure it out. kbrooks and 2010sled, if you're still reading this, it would help me to know which iPods you are using so i can troubleshoot this better. and i'll give you a fix in return!

also, my apologies to all those who i slammed earlier by wondering why they weren't noticing that their songs were playing alphabetically---looks like most people aren't having our issue.

RippyPartsDept
09-20-10, 05:05 PM
from memory i seem to recall a bulletin that mentioned that certain ipods don't work with the system.

KevinOpp
09-20-10, 05:16 PM
from memory i seem to recall a bulletin that mentioned that certain ipods don't work with the system.

i wouldn't be surprised if a little Shuffle or some old models didn't work.....Cadillac didn't mention a bulletin. since the Classic is the most "basic" iPod that exists now, i couldn't imagine it not working (correctly).

i'm still guessing that it relates to the way the music is loaded onto the iPod, but haven't worked on it yet.

RippyPartsDept
09-20-10, 05:27 PM
found the bulletin - i can email it to you if you' like - it does say the classic is supported though

maybe have a dealer try and reprogram the MPIM (multimedia player input module)

definitely something not right

KevinOpp
09-24-10, 05:31 AM
alright, i have the (hopefully) final word on what's going on.

i spoke with Apple who booted me right up to a second tier specialist. he understod completely what i was saying and the troubleshooting that i did with 4 iPods (as opposed to Cadillac, which was an awful phone call). anyway, he did some research and found a GM bulletin that this is a known issue since Sept. 2009; several people calling about the same problem.

he said that when the system was designed, it was specifically designed more to the Touch Apple products, i.e. the iPhone and iPod Touch (and perhaps the new nano?). they are known to play as they should, by track number or programmed playlist order. all click/scroll wheel iPods instead default to an alphabetical order, despite what they are showing on their own screens (and despite their built-in programming to default to track order when "unsure" how to play). he said that since the issue has been known for over a year and GM has not indicated they they were going to produce a fix for it, he doubted that they would. and he was unsure if it was even fixable through a software update, or a firmware update.

so, this seems to be from the mouth of those who know, although it's pretty sad that Apple had to find this though a portal into GM's website. with this being the answer, i returned my 160G Classic and 32G Touch that i was just gifted and exchanged them for a 64G Touch. i sure will miss the idea of having ALL of my music with me, but i guess half of my music isn't too bad.

so, unless someone out there swears that they have a touch-wheel iPod that plays by track order through the USB port rather than alphabetically, this seems to close the issue, though not with a happy ending. :crying2:

stevec5375
09-24-10, 09:07 AM
alright, i have the (hopefully) final word on what's going on.

i spoke with Apple who booted me right up to a second tier specialist. he understod completely what i was saying and the troubleshooting that i did with 4 iPods (as opposed to Cadillac, which was an awful phone call). anyway, he did some research and found a GM bulletin that this is a known issue since Sept. 2009; several people calling about the same problem.

he said that when the system was designed, it was specifically designed more to the Touch Apple products, i.e. the iPhone and iPod Touch (and perhaps the new nano?). they are known to play as they should, by track number or programmed playlist order. all click/scroll wheel iPods instead default to an alphabetical order, despite what they are showing on their own screens (and despite their built-in programming to default to track order when "unsure" how to play). he said that since the issue has been known for over a year and GM has not indicated they they were going to produce a fix for it, he doubted that they would. and he was unsure if it was even fixable through a software update, or a firmware update.

so, this seems to be from the mouth of those who know, although it's pretty sad that Apple had to find this though a portal into GM's website. with this being the answer, i returned my 160G Classic and 32G Touch that i was just gifted and exchanged them for a 64G Touch. i sure will miss the idea of having ALL of my music with me, but i guess half of my music isn't too bad.

so, unless someone out there swears that they have a touch-wheel iPod that plays by track order through the USB port rather than alphabetically, this seems to close the issue, though not with a happy ending. :crying2:

A few more reasons why this will be my last Cadillac purchase.

KevinOpp
09-24-10, 11:52 AM
still looking towards the Infiniti?

stevec5375
09-24-10, 01:49 PM
still looking towards the Infiniti?

I would have probably bought an Infiniti this time except I don't care for the body styles of their crossovers (FX and EX). I looked at the Acura MDX as well but the simulated wood made it look cheap to me.

TheCaptain
09-24-10, 02:29 PM
I would have probably bought an Infiniti this time except I don't care for the body styles of their crossovers (FX and EX). I looked at the Acura MDX as well but the simulated wood made it look cheap to me.

Well then, you should get a Cadillac with the real Sapele Pommele wood trim! :D

stevec5375
09-24-10, 04:48 PM
Well then, you should get a Cadillac with the real Sapele Pommele wood trim! :D

Actually, I wouldn't mind simulated wood if somebody could make it look like the real thing instead of a cheap, repeating pattern that looks plasticy. I would rather save the trees to produce oxygen for us to breathe.

kbrooks
11-08-10, 06:55 AM
Thank you for running this down. I tried with the 160GB classic and a 30GB classic, but not with an iTouch or iPhone. I'm going to try those types of iPods to see how they work.

opuskaz
03-04-11, 10:20 PM
I tried complaining to customer care but they can not help. If I honestly knew this before I got the car I would have bought another Mercedes where it was amazing.



yeah, this sucks.....my wife just bought me the 160GB Classic so i can have virtually my entire music collection at my disposal, and then i find out it plays it back alphabetically whether i play by album or even playlist.

if i wanted random song playing, i could have bought an iPod Shuffle!!!

even more annoyingly, much of my music is live music/recorded concerts. this is bad enough on a studio album, but when it's a live show and it's jumping all over, and songs may typically have segues into each other (think the Grateful Dead/Phish/Widespread Panic), it completely destroys the mood of the show.

for me, this is basically a dealbreaker on using the iPod. if anyone makes me a great deal on a brand new 160GB Classic in silver, make yourself known......

Nancy116
03-05-11, 12:20 AM
Oh my goodness, this is a huge problem. I just checked my BMW to see how that works with my iPod 8GB Nano. I have a choice of Playlists, Artists, ALBUMS, and Songs. I like the randomness of "Songs" and I like being surprised with what's next. However, that option sorts the songs alphabetically by title. I was a couple hours into a drive to FL before I realized it -- after four songs starting with the word "Candy" played right in a row. It wasn't a big deal, but I totally understand your frustration. And this isn't the type of thing you'd check on a test-drive so by the time you realize it, it's too late.

TheCaptain
03-05-11, 06:17 AM
Put your ipod on shuffle. Though you have to manually do that after every startup in the Ipod menu.

KevinOpp
04-13-11, 08:49 PM
Well, after all of this time, i actually came up with a fix!!

i have already narrowed down the fact that the touchscreen ipods/iphones work correctly, but the classic scroll wheel ipods revert to alphabetical order rather than track number.

i had just gone on an extended trip, so i once again bought a 7th generation ipod classic 160gb to have all my music on. i've got about 13,000 songs in 256 AAC on there, and still about 20 free gigs or so. but what i did this time was go to "Doug's Applescripts for iTunes" (for Macs only as far as i know), and found an Applescript there called "Track number to song name prefix". and what that did was take all of my songs that were pretty well organized already, and had their track numbers in place, and it automatically moved the track numbers to the beginnng of the song name. so all songs became "01 Whole Lotta Love, 02 What is and What Should Never Be, etc". it took about 20 minutes to change all 13k songs, but once it did and i reloaded them onto the ipod, they are now playing the albums in the correct order since there is a numerical prefix before each track. not ideal, but now that it's done, i have all of my music with me on an ipod classic that i just keep plugged into the USB port. so it works!

if anyone's unclear about what i did, feel free to ask me anything. i do not know if there is a version of this type of script for Windows iTunes, however.

RippyPartsDept
04-13-11, 09:29 PM
great solution!

daddie2k3
04-13-11, 10:21 PM
Yea I had to add track number before title on my usb's but far as apple products only used my iPhone so I didn't know about this problem

jbsharpe
06-07-11, 12:34 PM
I think I've figured out how to get IPOD shuffle to work on my 2011 SRX Premium without dealing with the alphabetical list issue. Stumbled on it by chance while playing around with my IPad. I'm not sure if this works with the SRX's w/o the pop-up nav screen.

Lot's of button pushes, but it does work:

Step 1. In the IPOD menu of the SRX, pick the category you want to use (Playlist, Genre, Artist, Album, etc).
Step 2. After the SRX loads the category, it will be in alphabetical order either by the artist, album or song. Select the first song and let it start playing.
Step 3. Touch the "IPOD" menu on your screen which will take you back to the menu.
Step 4. Touch "Shuffle" to enable the check mark. (if the check mark is on, then touch twice to turn it on/off).
Step 5. Hit the back button to return to the song (You'll also now see the "shuffle icon" on the screen. Then you can go to the next song, and your category is now in Shuffle mode... If you want to reshuffle, just go back to Step 3.

I've tried it on my iPad, IPhone and older 1st Generation IPod. Works every time and doesn't put the shuffle list in alphabetical order, but in true shuffle mode.

Still not the best way to get shuffle to work, but it's 100% better than the existing alphabetical order.

Enjoy,
Jeff

TheCaptain
06-07-11, 09:43 PM
And you have to re hit shuffle after every startup. It won't remember that you hit shuffle.

jbsharpe
06-08-11, 12:11 AM
Once you've got it setup, no need to reset the shuffle if you turn on and off the car. It does remember. This is for the initial step. Not the greatest design, but at least I got it working.

TheCaptain
06-08-11, 12:14 PM
Oh, well. Mine doesn't remember.