: I have a goal for 2011.



I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-06-10, 01:55 AM
Well, almost all of my friends have two (or more) vehicles, so I figure I should follow the trend and add to my collection. I was at a car show today with my buddy Brandon, who currently owns four full sized luxury sedans, and he was explaining to me that for just under $5,000 I could buy three '80s era luxury vehicles in great shape currently for sale on the local craigsfist. There's an '87 Fifth Avenue with 36,000 original miles for $2200, then we saw a nice '85 Riviera with 108k on it for $2,000, and there's a kinda rusty '83 Delta Eighty Eight Royale Brougham for sale for $795. So for the price of a mediocre late model used car, I could have three '80s era full sized luxury cars at my beck and call.

Keeping that in mind, It's my "duty" to spend roughly $3,000 on a very nice, original, low mile 77-92 Brougham, 86-89 Town Car, 80-83 Mark VI, 80-84 Electra, 80-84 Ninety Eight, 77-84 deVille or lastly a 79-85 Eldorado/Riviera/Toronado.

I owe it to myself! :D :D









Now, for the hard part....saving the money.

Stingroo
09-06-10, 02:00 AM
Nice. :)

My 2011 goal is to get the wagon painted.

Jesda
09-06-10, 02:01 AM
http://www.welikefashion.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/mandy_moore.jpg

GOAL: Upgrade Mandy Moore from current stalking victim to current wife.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-06-10, 02:02 AM
I guess I can thank Obama's vehicular policies, the current economic recession and high gas prices for the low values of such sweet classic luxury cars.

hueterm
09-06-10, 02:03 AM
If I were going Brougham/Deville, then go 77-80 or 90-92 5.7L. Those are far superior to the 80s Devilles, Any Town Car, or the Electras/Ninety Eights.

However, of what you list above, I'd go Riviera or Toronado and get the nicest one you can find. Skip the HT4100 Eldo, definitely. A 79 or 80 would be OK, but you'd probably pay more for the Eldo than the other two all things being equal. They are all three almost identical. For you, I'd go Riv and have a Buick stable...

hueterm
09-06-10, 02:10 AM
I am strangely drawn to these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-Buick-Riviera-/170536472736?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b4c410a0#v4-41

However, the CDV I posted yesterday takes the cake:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PRISTINE-1978-Cadillac-Coupe-Ville-36K-ORIG-MILES-/140447572081?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item20b353e071

These are awesome too:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LUXURY-SURVIVOR1978-Oldsmobile-Toronado-44K-ORIG-MILES-/180555041730?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a09eb4bc2

My parents had a blue/blue one of these -- I loved it:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Oldsmobile-Toronado-1985-Brougham-/230521654855?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item35ac294e47

Aron9000
09-06-10, 02:21 AM
Chad, why don't you just go for broke and buy a late 70's Mark V. You've always wanted one, and I'm sure a decent example can be aquired for $3000.

hueterm
09-06-10, 02:23 AM
+1 to that idea

Let me clarify, based on how much you've talked about them in the past.

After looking at them, I'd rather have a '78 Toronado if you're going to go enormous like that.....

CTSV_Rob
09-06-10, 02:43 AM
I was at a car show today with my buddy Brandon, who currently owns four full sized luxury sedans, and he was explaining to me that for just under $5,000 I could buy three '80s era luxury vehicles in great shape currently for sale on the local craigsfist.
Well I have never heard it called that before.

Playdrv4me
09-06-10, 04:43 AM
Well I have never heard it called that before.

Unfortunately that part is censored now.

Jesda
09-06-10, 07:19 AM
Unfortunately that part is censored now.

Its night time, you're in Vegas, and you're posting on the Cadillac forum.

:hmm:

CIWS
09-06-10, 08:44 AM
Every person should have a goal.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-06-10, 09:51 AM
If I were going Brougham/Deville, then go 77-80 or 90-92 5.7L. Those are far superior to the 80s Devilles, Any Town Car, or the Electras/Ninety Eights. For you, I'd go Riv and have a Buick stable...

In my area, I don't think you can find a nice, lower mileage 90-92 Brougham for less than $4,000. You can find lots of mint, low mileage 307 models for less than $3,000. Funny you mention the Rivieras.....I saw a really nice '85 Riviera coupe in a dark blue metallic with the dark blue velour interior, sunroof, auto climate control and 108k miles on it yesterday for $2,000. The wire wheels were impeccable, so it wasn't a winter driven car. Seeing that car, in that condition, really hit home for me that I need one of these and don't have to spend an arm and a leg to do so.


I am strangely drawn to these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-Buick-Riviera-/170536472736?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b4c410a0#v4-41

However, the CDV I posted yesterday takes the cake:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PRISTINE-1978-Cadillac-Coupe-Ville-36K-ORIG-MILES-/140447572081?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item20b353e071

These are awesome too:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LUXURY-SURVIVOR1978-Oldsmobile-Toronado-44K-ORIG-MILES-/180555041730?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a09eb4bc2

My parents had a blue/blue one of these -- I loved it:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Oldsmobile-Toronado-1985-Brougham-/230521654855?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item35ac294e47

The only '70s era Rivs I like are the 1971-72 and 1979. The rest of them are really "blah" to me, however I do like the insane amount of fake wood trim in that '78. That Coupe deVille is gorgeous but wayyyy more than I want to spend, and those Toronados never really did much for me. I drove a '78 a few years ago and wasn't that impressed. If I wanted to go that route, I'd just go for the Eldorado, but I've driven my buddy's '78 Eldorado Biarritz a few months back and wasn't as impressed with that as I am his Broughams and '80s era Town Cars. I do really however like the 79-85 E-Bodies, and that's one of the few instances where I find the Oldsmobile and Buick products to be of a higher quality than the Cadillac product. That generation of Eldorado was always beautiful, but plagued with horrific engines. The Riviera always was the best looker, but the Toronado was a great car too, and there are more Rivieras out there for the picking...


Chad, why don't you just go for broke and buy a late 70's Mark V. You've always wanted one, and I'm sure a decent example can be aquired for $3000.

I thought they would be too expensive, but there are a few Mark IV's and V's on craigslist in the price range I'm looking at. Granted most of the V's have that anemic 400, but hey, it's better than no Mark V. The only hard part about those is finding the funds to keep them fueled. :lol:


+1 to that idea

Let me clarify, based on how much you've talked about them in the past.

After looking at them, I'd rather have a '78 Toronado if you're going to go enormous like that.....

Why do you like the Toronados more? I see no benefit to those over the Lincolns.....or the Cadillac.

hueterm
09-06-10, 10:05 AM
I looked at one of the MkVs on eBay, and it was primarily the interior for me. They all look dated, obviously (except strangely for the 77-79 Deville...), but I like the Toro interior better.

That '78 CDV that I posted, was just about perfect.....

But in the price range you're looking, I think the '79+ Toro or Riv is your best buy. They even have one w/buckets and a half console if you look hard enough. For '79 and 80 though, what engine did the Eldo have?

BTW:

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=270742480&dealer_id=1059910&car_year=1985&rdm=1283778509422&lastStartYear=1981&model=RIV&num_records=25&systime=&make3=&make2=OLDS&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=300&marketZipError=false&model2=TORO&search_lang=en&sownerid=581567&showZipError=y&make=BUICK&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=55402&advanced=&end_year=1985&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=297&standard=false

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=278443744&dealer_id=65227577&car_year=1981&rdm=1283778509422&lastStartYear=1981&model=RIV&num_records=25&systime=&make3=&make2=OLDS&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=300&marketZipError=false&model2=TORO&search_lang=en&sownerid=581567&showZipError=y&make=BUICK&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=55402&advanced=&end_year=1985&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=242&standard=false

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=280759569&dealer_id=34688141&car_year=1985&rdm=1283778509422&lastStartYear=1981&model=RIV&num_records=25&systime=&make3=&make2=OLDS&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=300&marketZipError=false&model2=TORO&search_lang=en&sownerid=581567&showZipError=y&make=BUICK&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=55402&advanced=&end_year=1985&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=349&standard=false

AND -- far and away the one I would buy:

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=284550464&dealer_id=65573635&car_year=1984&rdm=1283778509422&lastStartYear=1981&model=RIV&num_records=25&systime=&make3=&make2=OLDS&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=300&marketZipError=false&model2=TORO&search_lang=en&sownerid=581567&showZipError=y&make=BUICK&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=55402&advanced=&end_year=1985&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=321&standard=false

Happy hunting! I love these threads :-)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-06-10, 10:43 AM
The 1979 Eldorado had the Oldsmobile 350, the 1980 Eldorado had the 368, and the '81 Eldorado had the 368 V-8-6-4. I like the Riviera more than the Toronado because it's a Buick, and it's got a more fluid style that flows smoother. I really like how they have that uber-formal roofline, which contrasts nicely with the rounded rear fenders and tapers off nicely to the trunklid. So sexy. The Eldorados looked way more formal, with their kicked up beltline, and the Toronados were a nice mixture of both. The Buick was by far the best looker of the three though, Eldorado is #2 and the Toronado is last. The Toronados never looked as smooth or as fluid as the other two, and for many years the front clip didn't flow together real well and looked ham fisted.

OffThaHorseCEO
09-06-10, 12:04 PM
i know im biased, but i vote Allante!
http://www.cadillacallanteclub.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=434240&module_id=1625
http://www.murrayco.com/car_collection/cadillac_allante_1987.html
http://www.cadillacforums.com/cadillac-models/allante2.jpg
http://www.pinnaclems.com/images/90_allante_03.JPG
http://www.cadillacwallpapers.com/bulkupload//alle//Cadillac%20Allante/Cadillac%20Allante%20HD.jpg
http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/cad1990/1990/90allante7.jpg
However, depending on the condition its in, you might be back in the same boat as you were with the Benz

hueterm
09-06-10, 12:29 PM
I don't think you could get one for $3000, and if you could, you probably wouldn't want it...

OffThaHorseCEO
09-06-10, 12:38 PM
I don't think you could get one for $3000, and if you could, you probably wouldn't want it...

i got mine for 3500, the usual allante stuff wrong with it. simple fixes if youre handy. 77k mi. Granted i got really lucky and i dont think the guy knew what he had but still, im sure there are more people out there selling allantes in good shape for cheap, especially in this economy.

Bro-Ham
09-06-10, 12:42 PM
Chad, I almost can't believe it! :) :) :) Good for you!!! Focus like a laser, I know you can do it! :)

Wait until you see the 92 Roadmaster Limited I picked up for $400 + $99.50 doc fee = $499.50. :) Car deals exist and the trick is not buying half a car - get one that is truly good, if it's cheap then all the better. Your friend Brandon seems to have an eye for picking up nice stuff, and between the two of you a nice car can and should be yours. It's great that you have a wide variety of cars that will make you happy. I predict the hunt should be as much fun as making the deal and owning it. :)

From my experience, if you're looking for the biggest bang for your buck, a 77-80 Cad will never let you down or make you go broke. :) They are super tough workhorses that you can use as little or as much as you like and they will always perform. As much as I like 77-79 Fleetwood Broughams for the extra eye candy, the deVille is more simple with the lack of rear leveling system. I also like the 77-80 because they are super ridiculously simple: no computers/check engine light, bullet proof real Cadillac engine, THM400 transmission, less complex mostly indestructible climate control, no wonky digital dash, and parts are sooooo cheap that you'll never believe it. Just keep an extra $9 blower relay on hand for the annual occasion when it poops out. If you like to dink around tinkering then consider the others on your list and you'll keep the forums busy with all the questions when the extra stuff breaks. :)

Best of luck and I'm so excited for you!

:)

Dave

hueterm
09-06-10, 01:22 PM
The '77-80 Deville will definitely be cheaper to repair than the Riv/Toro/Eldo -- FWD, more complex suspension, etc. And they are timeless designs......

Go to LA, meet 77CDV, and buy this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1977-CADILLAC-SEDAN-DEVILLE-EXTRA-CLEAN-LOW-MILEAGE-/170536652473?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b4c6ceb9#v4-33

Or Alabama and buy this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1977-Cadillac-DeVille-dElegance-/250692316786?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a5e6d2e72

Bro-Ham
09-06-10, 01:31 PM
That 77 in CA is awesome! THAT would be the car to have! :)

Stingroo
09-06-10, 01:33 PM
Plan A = win.

Craig is a cool guy too.

orconn
09-06-10, 02:44 PM
Chad, are you still living at home?

Night Wolf
09-06-10, 02:44 PM
When I first read the thread title, I thought you were going to talk about moving out and getting your own place. Personally that would be more of a goal then acquiring a 2nd vehicle just for the fact that most my friends have one, and a 2nd vehicle that really dosen't serve a purpose other then something to cruise around in.

OffThaHorseCEO
09-06-10, 02:50 PM
When I first read the thread title, I thought you were going to talk about moving out and getting your own place. Personally that would be more of a goal then acquiring a 2nd vehicle just for the fact that most my friends have one, and a 2nd vehicle that really dosen't serve a purpose other then something to cruise around in.

wise words. VERY wise words.

However, Chad may have a plan. My uncle lived with his mom until he was 28, he bought cars here and there, not huge expensive ones but like chad he kept them cheap and interesting.

when he moved out he put a huge down payment on a VERY nice house. he also had a nice amount of money in the bank so he was pretty much set. He didnt mooch off his parents either he definitely helped out.

Chad if thats your situation by all means go for it, but if not then i agree with Rick.

orconn
09-06-10, 04:28 PM
Chad if you really serious about adding a collector's car to your "garage?" then you really do have to satisfy your urning for a Mark IV-V Continental. While the 77-80 Cadillacs are superior cars in every aspect, the acquisition of a "collector" car is really about the way the car looks "to you" and it seems those Continentals have you hooked. Truth is none of the cars you have in mind drive well at all compared with your Regal, so you are really talking about period style! The smaller engine in the Continentals mean that you will be able to enjoy driving the cars more; i.e. a few WOTs with the bigger engine and you've just bought lunch. And remember the '70s Continentals were never anything but squishy big personnal luxo wagons ... if in doubt get some of the old "Cannon" television shows where Nick Cannon, private eye, would slide and wallow all over the road in his Mark IV in pursuit of the bad guys!

Ay any rate, if you've got room in the garage (I can't see that Minnesota Winters would help you preserve you pride and joy) and can afford to keep all you other balls in the air ... then look for the '70s Conti of your dreams!

Bro-Ham
09-06-10, 04:30 PM
Don't worry about Chad. I like to prod him, but one thing I know about him is that he's sharp. I predict he'll land with someone who will trip his trigger and, because this always happens to guys with passion and intellect, there will be a ton of $$$ involved somehow. Don't doubt me. :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-06-10, 05:42 PM
Worse case scenario is a buy a car for cheap, find out I don't like it, clean it/fix it up a bit and sell it for profit. But, I've wanted something along these lines for so long, and aside from the '70s era Lincolns, I like the way they drive, so it's not gonna be like I'm just parking it somewhere so I can look at it.

I probably wouldn't buy something from the '70s, as they're just too large and really don't drive well at all. The '80s models, while they lack the flash of the '70s models are a lot smaller, drive more like a modern car and are cheaper to get into, and they also drink less gas.

I'm in no real rush to move out. Money will get really tight when that happens, and I'm just not ready to cut down on all of my fun money just to make rent. The key here is to find a GREAT DEAL on a car. There are lots of old ladies and gentlemen around here selling their old cars for ridiculously low prices. The market is gone for these because they're not socially friendly, they drink gas and many think they're ugly. But not us! We're enlightened, we have taste!

hueterm
09-06-10, 06:17 PM
Chad, don't be in any hurry to move -- if your living with your parents works for the both of you, then don't worry about it. Just one thing, though -- don't get too used to not paying rent. Because when you do eventually move out -- it will be a real hit to the wallet that will take a long time to adjust to.

If you're not already, you should take $500/mo or some significant number that somewhat approximates (although would not realistically be the whole cost) a starting rent. In a short amount of time you will have a significant amount of money saved up. Even if you use that to buy your toy car, then it will be paid -- and you'll have the money for the upkeep. You can use that money to then furnish a place, use it for deposits, or possibly a down payment on a place down the road if that's what you want. But if you're putting away $5000-6000 a year -- at your age, it won't take long to have enough for a down payment on a starter house. And in those years, your income will likely increase as well.

The other thing about the toy car is storing it. Do you have room for it at your parents' house? How big of a garage do they have, etc.?

ga_etc
09-06-10, 07:52 PM
AND -- far and away the one I would buy:

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=284550464&dealer_id=65573635&car_year=1984&rdm=1283778509422&lastStartYear=1981&model=RIV&num_records=25&systime=&make3=&make2=OLDS&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=300&marketZipError=false&model2=TORO&search_lang=en&sownerid=581567&showZipError=y&make=BUICK&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=55402&advanced=&end_year=1985&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=321&standard=false



I saw that one night playing around and fell in love. I've always liked the '79-'85 Riviera.

Chad, you mentioned the '86-'89 Brougham with the 307, have you considered one of them? Granted they're not very exciting, but they're really solid cars. Spacious, quiet, comfortable, and extremely reliable. Or even another Roadmaster? I'm still getting acquainted with ours, but I really like it.

hueterm
09-06-10, 07:56 PM
I really like that Riv turbo......I've never seen that interior color and love it w/the charcoal exterior. And I LOVE those wheels...... I am kind of a Riviera whore, though..... If my dad ever wants to get rid of my old one, I want it back....

ga_etc
09-06-10, 08:02 PM
That car is stunning. What model Riv did you have?

hueterm
09-06-10, 08:06 PM
Last gen. A champagne '97 supercharged. My mom and dad bought it from me when I got the ETC. For what I've paid in repairs to the ETC -- I could have foregone the money I got for my Riv AND bought that '84 Turbo above..... Yeah...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-06-10, 09:01 PM
Chad, you mentioned the '86-'89 Brougham with the 307, have you considered one of them? Granted they're not very exciting, but they're really solid cars. Spacious, quiet, comfortable, and extremely reliable. Or even another Roadmaster? I'm still getting acquainted with ours, but I really like it.

I do like the 86-89 Broughams, not as much as the 90-92's, but I just plain like Broughams so I'd like with it either way. I don't care that they don't handle, and are slower than heck and use a carburator...I've got my GS for the speed, handling and "fun to drive" portion. They're probably cheaper, more reliable and easier to own than a Riviera/Toronado, but there's something about those Rivs and Toros that I always loved. Roadmasters are nice, but I don't want to buy something I've already had.



If you're not already, you should take $500/mo or some significant number that somewhat approximates (although would not realistically be the whole cost) a starting rent. In a short amount of time you will have a significant amount of money saved up. Even if you use that to buy your toy car, then it will be paid -- and you'll have the money for the upkeep. You can use that money to then furnish a place, use it for deposits, or possibly a down payment on a place down the road if that's what you want. But if you're putting away $5000-6000 a year -- at your age, it won't take long to have enough for a down payment on a starter house. And in those years, your income will likely increase as well.

The other thing about the toy car is storing it. Do you have room for it at your parents' house? How big of a garage do they have, etc.?

That's a good idea Mike! Save up enough money per month so it'd feel like you're paying rent, so when you move out and acclimate to the "real world", it won't hit you so hard.

I don't use my parent's garage for the GS, I park in my neighbor's driveway, so I'd have to find a storage facility to park the toy car at now too.

Aron9000
09-06-10, 09:05 PM
I do like the 86-89 Broughams, not as much as the 90-92's, but I just plain like Broughams so I'd like with it either way. I don't care that they don't handle, and are slower than heck and use a carburator...I've got my GS for the speed, handling and "fun to drive" portion. They're probably cheaper, more reliable and easier to own than a Riviera/Toronado, but there's something about those Rivs and Toros that I always loved. Roadmasters are nice, but I don't want to buy something I've already had.



That's a good idea Mike! Save up enough money per month so it'd feel like you're paying rent, so when you move out and acclimate to the "real world", it won't hit you so hard.

I don't use my parent's garage for the GS, I park in my neighbor's driveway, so I'd have to find a storage facility to park the toy car at now too.

I'll sell you my Brougham tommorrow if you've got $4,000 lying around.

hueterm
09-06-10, 09:27 PM
Well, guess on $100/month storage. You might find a little less, but it would be a hellhole. It might be more in a major city. I live in a small town and have 4 and pay less -- but if I walked in off the street to rent one, it would be $100/mo.

Insurance, at your age/sex/marital status is anyone's guess...

ga_etc
09-06-10, 09:32 PM
I'll sell you my Brougham tommorrow if you've got $4,000 lying around.

You'll regret it if you sell it.

ga_etc
09-06-10, 09:49 PM
Last gen. A champagne '97 supercharged. My mom and dad bought it from me when I got the ETC. For what I've paid in repairs to the ETC -- I could have foregone the money I got for my Riv AND bought that '84 Turbo above..... Yeah...

A '90s S/C Riv is on my must drive list. I've heard they are quite nice. Got any pics of it?

hueterm
09-06-10, 09:57 PM
No, I had some on my old computer that crashed. I'll get some pictures of it when I'm next at my dad's.

gdwriter
09-06-10, 10:04 PM
I like the '77-'79 DeVille or '79-'85 Riviera. Of that generation E-Body, the Riv was definitely the best looker, and while the 307 isn't going to set the world on fire, it's going to be better than an HT4100 in an Eldorado.

If you're OK living at your parents house and they're OK with you living there, there's really no hurry to move out. The thing with buying a classic car is you never know when the right one will come along. I was lucky that my sister found Betty right after I had done a big freelance job, so I had the money to buy her. So start saving up and keep your eyes open.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-06-10, 10:21 PM
Yeah, and it's best to do it now before values increase and before I have a house/girlfriend/kids to spend my money on.

77CDV
09-06-10, 10:30 PM
Chad, why don't you just go for broke and buy a late 70's Mark V. You've always wanted one, and I'm sure a decent example can be aquired for $3000.


i know im biased, but i vote Allante!
http://www.cadillacallanteclub.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=434240&module_id=1625
http://www.murrayco.com/car_collection/cadillac_allante_1987.html
http://www.cadillacforums.com/cadillac-models/allante2.jpg
http://www.pinnaclems.com/images/90_allante_03.JPG
http://www.cadillacwallpapers.com/bulkupload//alle//Cadillac%20Allante/Cadillac%20Allante%20HD.jpg
http://www.motorera.com/cadillac/cad1990/1990/90allante7.jpg
However, depending on the condition its in, you might be back in the same boat as you were with the Benz

NOOOOOO!!!!!!! I thought I wanted an Allante at one point. Then I saw the clusterf*ck that is the top mechanism. Allantes are like white tigers: very pretty and best admired from afar.


The '77-80 Deville will definitely be cheaper to repair than the Riv/Toro/Eldo -- FWD, more complex suspension, etc. And they are timeless designs......

Go to LA, meet 77CDV, and buy this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1977-CADILLAC-SEDAN-DEVILLE-EXTRA-CLEAN-LOW-MILEAGE-/170536652473?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b4c6ceb9#v4-33

Or Alabama and buy this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1977-Cadillac-DeVille-dElegance-/250692316786?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a5e6d2e72


That 77 in CA is awesome! THAT would be the car to have! :)

By all means, come to CA! Lots of rust-free cars on your wish list to choose from, plus you get a road trip home into the bargain. I saw that 77 SDV in person the other day, just crusin' around town. It's in very good condition and he's had it for sale for a couple months, so I suspect he's ready to talk price. Guest room at your disposal, sir! :thumbsup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-06-10, 10:40 PM
There's a reason I said "I have a goal for 2011", not "I have a goal for September 2010" :p

Bro-Ham
09-06-10, 11:21 PM
Ask Brandon for a loan - tell him he gets a field trip out of it that involves a fabulous RWD Cadillac... :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-07-10, 12:03 AM
Oh I'll most definitely be using his help in the acquisition of this new car. What's really funny is that I was with him when he looked at the last three cars he bought....the '91 Brougham D'Elegance, and then a few weeks later I found him the '85 Caprice he bought, and when he first looked at that '86 Town Car a few weeks ago, I was with him then too. Guess I'm good luck or something. :D

This is what I'm talking about!! :D :D

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1982-CADILLAC-COUPE-DeVILLE-1-OWNER-LOW-MILES-/180557350383?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a0a0e85ef#ht_500wt_1182

FULL METAL ROOF '81 Coupe deVille?? Odd color combo too...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1981-Cadillac-Coupe-Deville-Texas-VIDEOS-Clean-Example-/270628106886?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f02b13286#ht_30906wt_1167

I saw this exact car at the lot on Saturday with Brandon & Ryan. It's such a nice Sedan deVille, too bad it's that awful yellow color with the diesel. Dave you should buy this!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1982-CADILLAC-SEDAN-VILLE-DIESEL-BEAUTIFUL-CAR-/130427655252?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1e5e181454#ht_500wt_1182

ga_etc
09-07-10, 12:23 AM
That only holds true if they continue to be good cars. If they turn out to be turds, then the blame will be placed on you seeing as you coerced him into buying them. :D

orconn
09-07-10, 12:35 AM
When I think of all the 77-80 Cadillacs I've seen come up for sale as their elderly owners cease driving or cease breathing, I figure there still must be plenty of nice ones coming down the line for young chaps to pick up and enjoy. As I commented to my wife as we pulled into her church's parking lot, "Looks like a good place to find a real nice Caddy when we need a new one!"

Aron9000
09-07-10, 01:05 AM
FULL METAL ROOF '81 Coupe deVille?? Odd color combo too...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1981-Cadillac-Coupe-Deville-Texas-VIDEOS-Clean-Example-/270628106886?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f02b13286#ht_30906wt_1167



I just want to know what sort of person special ordered a navy blue car with the whore house red leather interior:suspect:

Still an awesome color combo though, never would've thought that it would look good until I saw that car. I also like the hubcaps and no vinyl roof, and that its a good year(big block Cadillac, no HT4100)

orconn
09-07-10, 01:13 AM
Not that unusual exterior/interior color combination during those years. I rember seeing even Rolls with that combination. Today anything with a red interior is really rare!

Bro-Ham
09-07-10, 08:53 AM
Chadillac, It gives me a headache even looking at ads for V8-6-4 or HT4100 cars. :) I don't think there are many HT4100 car owners on our forum, and the few who do participate are all trying to fix a problem engine or swap out a fried one. The 1981 V8-6-4 cars were quite rare due to recession and low production, yet the forums are regularly abuzz with confused and frustrated owners attempting to sort them out. I hope you remember my 81 Fleetwood Brougham Coupe that you saw and drove that I spent an arm, leg, and major organ trying to figure out how to get it to run right. Beautiful car, but it drove me crazy. I paid $500 for it and now I know why, but that didn't stop me from pumping in another $2 or $3 grand. I gave up. Makes me shiver remembering it. :)

That's a pretty 82 deVille diesel. For me to pull the trigger on a diesel I'd need to be intoxicated and the car would need to be the perfect package: pleasing color, low mileage, mint condition. At this point in my life I'm not willing to torture myself with anything less. :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-07-10, 09:04 AM
What amazed me about that '81 Brougham Coupe is that even with 236k on it, the cylinder deactivation feature still worked.

Bro-Ham
09-07-10, 09:04 AM
Not that unusual exterior/interior color combination during those years. I rember seeing even Rolls with that combination. Today anything with a red interior is really rare!

I don't think I've seen one in person but I've seen plenty of this color combo Cad for sale over the years. I agree, Orr, most were produced in the late 70's and early 80's. I'm quite sure I've seen RR's in this color combo too - - but I've seen RR's in all sorts of crazy color combos that even Cad owners wouldn't be daring enough to try. :) I love the over the top-ness of it all. :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-07-10, 09:05 AM
I once saw an '82 Buick Electra in a pale yellow with the dark blue velour interior.

Bro-Ham
09-07-10, 09:12 AM
What amazed me about that '81 Brougham Coupe is that even with 236k on it, the cylinder deactivation feature still worked.

It was the nicest 236k mile car ever cosmetically, original owner drove the car almost all highway miles and kept it so very nice, it was still a disaster mechanically. :)

Chad, do yourself a favor and avoid these known bad reputation Cadillacs as though they were herpes. Otherwise you may as well buy another S-Class if you want to have the headache of spending time and money chasing problems instead of having the joy of owning and driving it. :)

Stingroo
09-07-10, 09:50 AM
I would say draw inspiration from your friend and find a nice big '95 FWB. :cloud9:


I want another. :(

gdwriter
09-07-10, 04:12 PM
AND -- far and away the one I would buy (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=284550464&dealer_id=65573635&car_year=1984&rdm=1283778509422&lastStartYear=1981&model=RIV&num_records=25&systime=&make3=&make2=OLDS&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=300&marketZipError=false&model2=TORO&search_lang=en&sownerid=581567&showZipError=y&make=BUICK&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=55402&advanced=&end_year=1985&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=321&standard=false):Hot, damn! That Riviera T-Type is sweet!

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/8/12/284/550/17021303586.284550464.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.j pg

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/8/12/284/550/17021303587.284550464.IM1.02.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/8/12/284/550/17021303589.284550464.IM1.04.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/8/12/284/550/17021303590.284550464.IM1.05.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/8/12/284/550/17021303598.284550464.IM1.13.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

Are those suede inserts?

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/8/12/284/550/17021303600.284550464.IM1.15.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

Because those Turbo Rivieras are fairly rare, this is a car that could increase in value or will at least hold its value better than a garden-variety E-Body.

Hell, if I have $5,500 lying around, I might want to buy this thing myself.

orconn
09-07-10, 04:29 PM
It is amazing the difference the alloy wheels make in showing that this is really a performance car and not just a badged up "luxo cruiser." I quess this is when Detroit figured out that putting a higher grade wheel on the car really gave it a perception of quality at relatively low cost. I really like the the two tone interior treatment also.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-07-10, 07:09 PM
Yes, that's suede. That was an option throughout the run on both the Toronado & Riviera. Most of the ones that were made with the suede interior were special edition models, such as the Toronado XSR & Grande (both were the sporty models) and the Riviera T-Types and 1983 20th "XX" anniversary.

RE: V8-6-4,

I thought that 8-6-4 issue was the only big issue with the '81s? I thought that issue was fixed as simply as cutting a few wires, thereby disabling that system, so you've then got one rock solid 368 cid V8 and turbo hydramatic three speed automatic.

Bro-Ham
09-07-10, 07:55 PM
Chad, I ran my V8-6-4 with the variable displacement both connected and disconnected and still had the same driveability problems. Don't fool yourself on 1981 computer cars. :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-07-10, 08:05 PM
So 1981 is bad overall? Roger that.

ga_etc
09-07-10, 08:25 PM
A friend of mine had an '81 Fleetwood with the V8-6-4 system. It actually still worked and the running gear was solid, ran great. Unfortunately the rest of the car and wiring issues.

77CDV
09-08-10, 03:41 AM
The major problem with these early computer applications in cars is you were asking a lot from those old analog systems. They just weren't fast enough to keep up and the engineers didn't yet know how to deal with the heat issues inherent in automotive applications. Heat plays havoc with even the most sound computer equipment, and it's hard enough to dissipate the heat when it's not laboring under the hood next to an internal combustion engine running at 200+ F. It sounded great in theory, but it all just wasn't ready for prime time. Now add the fact that all these chips and circuits are 30 years old and totally obsolete, and you can see why keeping one as a collector car (in original form) is a cash-intensive exercise. Of course, all cars will develop electrical issues as they age, because the wiring ages. Electrical issues are easily dealt with. Electronic issues, not so much.

If you want a collectible you can keep running for a reasonable amount, 1979 is about the limit.

Night Wolf
09-08-10, 03:47 AM
So 1981 is bad overall? Roger that.

I understand your 1981 and raise you 1984

OYecfV3ubP8

Aron9000
09-08-10, 03:56 AM
I've had excellent luck with the TBI 350 in my Caddy, and I know several people who have old 80's TBI pickup trucks with 200k+ miles that still run great with no issues, still pass emissions. I can see finding parts for a late 70's/early 80's TBI Caddy being much harder though.

Bro-Ham
09-08-10, 11:11 AM
Aron, try a 1981 Cad and you can experience all the fun for yourself. Good luck. ;)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-08-10, 12:32 PM
This really stinks because I find the 1981 Cadillacs to be the best looking of the early '80s. I love that fine eggcrate grille used on everything aside from the Seville. I also like the fact that '81 was the first year they had the digital climate control and trip computer, and it's the last year before they went to the awful HT4100 and the last year the Cadillac line was "pure", as the Cimarron was an '82.

hueterm
09-08-10, 01:31 PM
Astroroof, 2 tone paint, 2 tone bucket seats, rear reading lamps, digital dash, delco/bose, turbo, looks great, awesome color combo....

If I weren't space challenged, this would be the I-D-E-A-L toy car........unless you were to put a ton of miles on it, Gary is right -- it would probably hold its value or appreciate....

DO WANT!




Hot, damn! That Riviera T-Type is sweet!

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/8/12/284/550/17021303586.284550464.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.j pg

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/8/12/284/550/17021303587.284550464.IM1.02.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/8/12/284/550/17021303589.284550464.IM1.04.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/8/12/284/550/17021303590.284550464.IM1.05.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/8/12/284/550/17021303598.284550464.IM1.13.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

Are those suede inserts?

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/8/12/284/550/17021303600.284550464.IM1.15.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

Because those Turbo Rivieras are fairly rare, this is a car that could increase in value or will at least hold its value better than a garden-variety E-Body.

Hell, if I have $5,500 lying around, I might want to buy this thing myself.

Bro-Ham
09-08-10, 02:01 PM
Chad,

If you're not looking for the car to be every day transportation then it may not matter as much for your purposes. Read the RWD forums, 1981 Cads can be a handfull, whether V8-6-4 or even V6, no one talks about diesels... 1981 was not Cad's finest year, but if you don't need the car for every day use and can wait for money or time for repairs then you may want to consider taking your chances. Personally, the 1981 cars are undesireable to me because of the electronic climate control, check engine light, primitive computers, electronic fuel injection, etc.

I use my 79 Cadillac every day in a tropical climate so reliability and longevity are critical to me. I've had virtually no problems, and the few times it's needed help the fixes have been very simple, quick, and quite cheap - plus no one is afraid to work on it. I will get sick of my car before it will give up serving me. :)

Night Wolf
09-08-10, 02:13 PM
Grilles can be changed easily between the model years. I wouldn't care what else was in the Cadillac line, and if an HT4100 made it this far - the chance of it blowing up tomorrow is slim.

Bro-Ham
09-08-10, 03:40 PM
Every HT4100 is a ticking time bomb - don't deceive yourself. :)

hueterm
09-08-10, 08:41 PM
With as many '77-80 428s out there as there are in AWESOME condition -- there is no way I'd go V864 or 4100..... Why take the chance?

drewsdeville
09-08-10, 08:45 PM
With as many '77-80 428s out there as there are in AWESOME condition -- there is no way I'd go V864 or 4100..... Why take the chance?

428s = 425s?

hueterm
09-08-10, 08:49 PM
428s = 425s?

Sure, why not...

drewsdeville = douchedeville?

Sure, why not...

hueterm
09-08-10, 09:44 PM
Gary...how about we each put down $2250 on that Riv and you keep it for 6 months and I keep it for 6 months.....?

77CDV
09-08-10, 10:52 PM
This really stinks because I find the 1981 Cadillacs to be the best looking of the early '80s. I love that fine eggcrate grille used on everything aside from the Seville. I also like the fact that '81 was the first year they had the digital climate control and trip computer, and it's the last year before they went to the awful HT4100 and the last year the Cadillac line was "pure", as the Cimarron was an '82.

There are still plenty of 81s out there in decent shape, and as Dave points out, since it won't be your primary car, there's less pressure if something should happen. All I can advise is that you research the cars thoroughly before you commit to one. Also, if the variable displacement system is still intact and functional, be prepared for the unwonted harshness that occurs as the car passes through V6 mode. Other than that, buy the very best one you can afford, as it will be cheaper in the long term than trying to drag one back from the brink. Beware the plastic valve covers!

Oh, and as for it being your 2011 goal rather than a Sept., 2010, goal, you should know by know that if you even mention, nay, hint to your fellow enthusiasts that you're possibly someday vaguely contemplating in an off-handed way buying another car, you'll be innundated with advice and prospective purchase opportunities. To which I can only say:

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1960cadillac07.jpg

hueterm
09-08-10, 11:42 PM
Isn't there some wire you can cut that deactivates the V864 and it turns into a regular 425 or whatever it was?

ga_etc
09-08-10, 11:51 PM
368 cu in

gdwriter
09-08-10, 11:56 PM
Gary...how about we each put down $2250 on that Riv and you keep it for 6 months and I keep it for 6 months.....?:histeric::histeric::histeric::histeri c:

Too bad we're on opposite ends of the country. It would eat up all my vacation time just to shuttle the Riviera back and forth.

Bro-Ham
09-09-10, 01:13 AM
1981 Cads with V8-6-4 are a can of worms. There is no such thing as snipping a wire and your problems disappear. The early electronic era Cadillacs are not as easy to live with as some may fantasize. :)

greencadillacmatt
09-09-10, 02:29 AM
^I've heard that they are after the wire is cut. JayOldSchool's car has the fuelie system and it seems to run just fine. Anyone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's just the ONE wire to the trans.

77CDV
09-09-10, 08:49 AM
Cutting the one wire to the tranny deactivates the variable displacement system, that's true. It's the rest of the 30 year old electronics and those plastic valve covers you'll be left to deal with that could be a continuing source of angst to the funds-challenged.

Jesda
09-09-10, 10:48 AM
Even a healthy repair budget cant guarantee you wont get stranded or leak fluids all over town.

Night Wolf
09-09-10, 12:16 PM
Preventative maintenace is key.

Then there just comes a time when a car ages and there is only so much rubber seals and hoses can take. Instead of chasing one problem after the next, it's really best to attack it all at once - replace all the heavy wear items. That is what happened with my BMW - but not all people have the means, time or money. The end result is having a somewhat brand new older car that, for all practical reasons, will last as long as a new car.

Bro-Ham
09-09-10, 12:41 PM
^I've heard that they are after the wire is cut. JayOldSchool's car has the fuelie system and it seems to run just fine. Anyone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's just the ONE wire to the trans.

Matt, Jay almost never drives his car, if he did then we'd be hearing about the ups and downs of the 81 Cads like all the other frustrated and confused 81 Cad owners who post on our forum regularly.

It is amazing how many 81 Cad owners find our forum, especially considering how few 1981 Cads were made in a model year of deep recession and super high gas prices.

That's how I landed here at the Cadillac Forum here online - I had an 81 V8-6-4 Fleetwood Brougham Coupe five years ago. If you could find my earliest postings you'd know what these 81 cars are all about. I tried every trick in the book offered up by the forum experts, plus had an experienced and talented professional mechanic armed with all the Cad manuals - and that car still had undiagnosable driveability problems that drove me crazy.

Remember, I actually drive my old Cads every day, and I tried to do just that with my 81 coupe, and even hoped it would be my MN to FL cruiser, but there was no way. After trying and hoping beyond hope, I had to send it to a new home, otherwise I predicted I'd need a liver transplant. That's when I went shopping for what I know is true and good: a 77-79 425 Cad, and found my 79 that I still have today and, like snipping a wire should be, my problems really did disappear. :)

Stingroo
09-09-10, 01:09 PM
Now, now Dave. No need to be so harsh. Jay HAS driven his car.....








once?

:thumbsup:

gdwriter
09-09-10, 01:19 PM
Then there just comes a time when a car ages and there is only so much rubber seals and hoses can take. Instead of chasing one problem after the next, it's really best to attack it all at once - replace all the heavy wear items. That is what happened with my BMW - but not all people have the means, time or money. The end result is having a somewhat brand new older car that, for all practical reasons, will last as long as a new car.I did that with Betty's engine rebuild 10 years ago. Also replaced the fuel pump, alternator (replaced again recently), belts and hoses, water pump, harmonic balancer, flywheel, universal joints and center carrier bearing (it's a two-piece driveshaft). And I've had virtually no problems with the engine since.

I've had issues with power steering leaks, even after replacing the pump and all the hoses, but enough fluid with stop leak seems to have finally fixed that. The cork valve cover gaskets were leaking, so I replaced them with rubber ones last summer.

Another important thing with an old car is to drive it regularly. That keeps the fluids circulating and helps prevent gaskets and seals from drying out. And I think they tend to run better. At least that was the case between my sister's Firebird and Betty.

orconn
09-09-10, 01:27 PM
Old Jags must be driven on a regular schedule too; all that mixing of different metals one against the other really reeks havock if not driven regularly. I imagine this is true of other old European cars too.

So far my 1995 Seville STS, which is driven once or twice a week seems to be hold ing up fine. With just two people, two cars and not alot of places to go I have to keep in mind to use my car regaularly!

Bro-Ham
09-09-10, 01:28 PM
I agree gdwriter, every car needs exercise regularly. :)

Bro-Ham
09-09-10, 01:41 PM
I should report, I met Chad last night here at my northern home base. The last time I saw him was about 5 years ago. He brought his two total car nut buddies Brandon and Andrew - both have quite a collection of neat RWD cars that I hope to see very soon. Anyway, we took my 79 Cad on a short field trip, Chad at the wheel blowing out all the carbon I left in there from my very slow driving, and it was fun to watch Chad and his buddies as they experimented with the car and put it through its paces. :)

Chad's buddy Brandon has both a 1985 and 1996 Caprice, a 91 Brougham d'Elegance, and a 1986 Town Car, all are reportedly detailed to the hilt. I sold Brandon a mint condition low mileage 1988 Caprice about 4 years ago, before Brandon and Chad knew each other, and it was incredible that they met through their car passion, and that we all know each other still.

Chad's other friend, Andrew, has a 2002 Crown Victoria LX, a 1995 (or was it 1996?) Buick Roadmaster with some kind of high performance modifications, and also a 1977 (or 78??) Dodge Royal Monaco with only 37k miles!

Later we took my 92 Roadmaster out for a spin. I did see Chad's Regal GS, but we were all consumed with the RWD cars so next time I'll try to remember to take a look at it. :) Chad is dead serious about making a cool unique old car happen in his life asap.

Needless to say, we had some alcoholic beverages over dinner and some very fun car conversations. Car enthusiasts are the greatest and these guys are not only as passionate about cars as ever could be but also fun to have a drink with. Thank GOD Chad's not a big drinker and drove us all home safely. :)

ga_etc
09-09-10, 02:32 PM
I should report, I met Chad last night here at my northern home base. The last time I saw him was about 5 years ago. He brought his two total car nut buddies Brandon and Andrew - both have quite a collection of neat RWD cars that I hope to see very soon. Anyway, we took my 79 Cad on a short field trip, Chad at the wheel blowing out all the carbon I left in there from my very slow driving, and it was fun to watch Chad and his buddies as they experimented with the car and put it through its paces. :)

Chad's buddy Brandon has both a 1985 and 1996 Caprice, a 91 Brougham d'Elegance, and a 1986 Town Car, all are reportedly detailed to the hilt. I sold Brandon a mint condition low mileage 1988 Caprice about 4 years ago, before Brandon and Chad knew each other, and it was incredible that they met through their car passion, and that we all know each other still.

Chad's other friend, Andrew, has a 2002 Crown Victoria LX, a 1995 (or was it 1996?) Buick Roadmaster with some kind of high performance modifications, and also a 1977 (or 78??) Dodge Royal Monaco with only 37k miles!

Later we took my 92 Roadmaster out for a spin. I did see Chad's Regal GS, but we were all consumed with the RWD cars so next time I'll try to remember to take a look at it. :) Chad is dead serious about making a cool unique old car happen in his life asap.

Needless to say, we had some alcoholic beverages over dinner and some very fun car conversations. Car enthusiasts are the greatest and these guys are not only as passionate about cars as ever could be but also fun to have a drink with. Thank GOD Chad's not a big drinker and drove us all home safely. :)

I want pictures of all cars listed. :D

Bro-Ham
09-09-10, 02:42 PM
The only cars in last night's program were my 79 Cad and 92 Roadmaster plus Chad's Buick Regal Super. :) I think Chad took some shots...

ga_etc
09-09-10, 03:25 PM
Cool. I haven't seen a shot of your Deville in a while. PAGING CHAD!

gdwriter
09-09-10, 03:29 PM
I...we took my 79 Cad on a short field trip, Chad at the wheel blowing out all the carbon I left in there from my very slow driving, and it was fun to watch Chad and his buddies as they experimented with the car and put it through its paces. :)

Needless to say, we had some alcoholic beverages over dinner and some very fun car conversations. Car enthusiasts are the greatest and these guys are not only as passionate about cars as ever could be but also fun to have a drink with. Thank GOD Chad's not a big drinker and drove us all home safely. :)I look forward to one of Chad's thorough reviews, and I hope, pictures of your car. It's well known around here that I'm a big fan of the '77-'79 DeVille and Fleetwood and wouldn't mind having one if I had the money and space. I was pretty impressed with the '78 Sedan de Ville d'Elegance I test drove for kicks last year. Other than the pinky twirling, no-feel steering, I thought it drove beautifully. And I thought GM ruined the looks of the B, C and D bodies with the 1980 re-style, especially Cadillac. The '77-'79s have a very crisp, lean look to them.

And I agree; it's great fun to get together with fellow car enthusiasts, which is why I travel to so many meets.

Bro-Ham
09-09-10, 03:35 PM
Preview - I think Chad was impressed that the steering on my 79 Cad was relatively responsive....let's see what he reports. :)

ga_etc
09-09-10, 03:36 PM
Gary, want to come to GA? I'm thinking about trying to get something together for this winter or spring, probably in Atlanta.

gdwriter
09-09-10, 04:31 PM
Gary, want to come to GA? I'm thinking about trying to get something together for this winter or spring, probably in Atlanta.Possibly. My little sister and her family are now near Montgomery, AL, so I might be able to work in a visit to them as well.

ga_etc
09-09-10, 04:39 PM
Cool. I mentioned it to Sal on FB Tuesday and he said his wife has friends in ATL so he might be able to make a meet there. Hmmmmm...

Stingroo
09-09-10, 04:44 PM
Feeling left out, Roo is. :(

ga_etc
09-09-10, 04:48 PM
WRT! (wagon road trip)

Stingroo
09-09-10, 04:50 PM
Possible bad timing though if it's not in the Spring or Summer. :(

ga_etc
09-09-10, 04:53 PM
Don't pay much attention to or conversations on MSN do you? lol Instead of stalking Dave around Sarasota and planning a meet around that for the spring, why not move it north to Atlanta. Then you, Sal, and Dave have an excuse to get out from amongst the old people for a few days.

greencadillacmatt
09-09-10, 11:02 PM
And I'd only have to go half the distance to get to this meet. :thumbsup:

ga_etc
09-09-10, 11:09 PM
Exactly. :P

Bro-Ham
09-10-10, 12:36 AM
Don't pay much attention to or conversations on MSN do you? lol Instead of stalking Dave around Sarasota and planning a meet around that for the spring, why not move it north to Atlanta. Then you, Sal, and Dave have an excuse to get out from amongst the old people for a few days.

Maybe Sting will find a new object of his stalking in Atlanta. :) Don't worry, I wasn't about to let him foist a meet on me in Sarasota. :)

Atlanta in winter and spring is cccccold though...you probably need to plan for maximum cocktail parties if you expect to lure Floridians to come that far north. :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-10-10, 12:39 AM
I should note that this is the $2,000 '84 Riviera that started my plan.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/38321665.jpg

Not bad eh?

ga_etc
09-10-10, 12:47 AM
Chad, very nize. :thumbsup:

Dave, it's Georgia not Michigan. Only one state up. You can make that. I have faith in you. :D

Bro-Ham
09-10-10, 12:54 AM
Northern Florida is in the cold zone for me in the winter, north of the border feels like Minnesota. We had a cold snap in FL last winter and I had my MN winter coat and long underwear on! :) My blood has totally thinned out. :)

Chad, there will always be just the right car when you're ready - unfortunately when you're not ready too. :)

ga_etc
09-10-10, 01:11 AM
Northern Florida is in the cold zone for me in the winter, north of the border feels like Minnesota. We had a cold snap in FL last winter and I had my MN winter coat and long underwear on! :) My blood has totally thinned out. :)

Cold snaps feel colder in Fl because of all the air off the ocean. But cold snaps aside, I think the cocktails have more to do with the thin blood than the Fl heat. :hide:

Besides, GA in the spring is beautiful. Especially when you catch the week or two where the temps stay around 70 for the high.

greencadillacmatt
09-10-10, 03:46 AM
Dave, it's Georgia not Michigan. Only one state up. You can make that. I have faith in you. :D

If I can make it from Michigan to Florida in a CAVALIER then Dave can make it to Georgia in his rolling sofa. :stirpot:

Stingroo
09-10-10, 12:09 PM
^ Agreed.

And bah, I'm a native Floridian and I survived five years in MAINE and MASSACHUSETTS.

You can make a weekend in Atlanta, especially for us. :thumbsup:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-12-10, 09:43 AM
Well my parents curtailed this one. They're going to start charging me $100 rent, and taking that money and putting it into a seperate savings account that I don't have access to. The point of this is to have enough saved up so I can afford rent and the first month's safety deposit. Following that plan, I'll be able to move out into a decent apartment after 9-10 months.

They didn't even know about the car plan. At first, I was pissed, but I was talking to some friends, and they said if they could go back in time and not buy so many cars and blow so much money on fun stuff and buy a house/ rent a condo instead, they'd be much happier. After that I felt a little better about it. I guess it's probably all for the best. Plus, after I move out, I can buy and sell whatever cars I want to. :D

drewsdeville
09-12-10, 10:15 AM
I can attest to that.

I didn't have parents like that to "hold my hand". I have parents that are big on self reliance. They let me make my mistakes that I will, waiting for me to learn from them. They still support when needed but, for the most part, keep it quite "laissez-faire".

That said, I agree that your parents are absolutely right. This is the time in our lives that we should be getting ahead of the game rather than worrying about having nice things. That's what retirement is for, right?

And, I made the same mistakes you have. I spent far too much money on cars and other stupid crap that I really never saw any return on. Cars are such a poor investment...you almost always lose money on them and when it comes down to their basic function, which is all we should be worried about right now, they all do the same thing.

At least you are getting your rent money back eventually. When I started going to college years ago, I didn't take it seriously and was messing up. After a while I quit and took a job driving semi truck. At that point my parents gave me the option to leave that day or pay rent and charged me full rent (which they still said was a good deal because I was getting fed/taken care of). I never saw that money again. It ended up teaching me a lesson that I didn't want to live on truck drivers pay and gave me the incentive to go back and finish up school.

As far as spending my money on useless crap nowadays, it's pretty hard while I'm finishing up school as I'm paying for tuition and such in full, in cash. The idea is to make it out graduated with no debt whatsoever, including no school loans...

johnny kannapo
09-12-10, 10:40 AM
This may be possible for $5000

http://palmsprings.reachoo.com/free-video-classifieds/for-sale/cars-boats-vehicles-parts/ads/110813397

Night Wolf
09-12-10, 10:43 AM
You haven't been paying them room/board?

only $100? damn....

But, once you have your own place - especially where you can store cars, it is so much easier. I had the 3-vehicle thing and it was just too much for me. Luckily there is no HOA where I live so I can have project cars on the property. I told myself that I am not going to set a limit of cars to have per say, but I can only have 1 project car at a time... and it has stopped me from already buying up various old clunkers to have fun with. Once Noelle is driving again it's no holds barred though.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-12-10, 10:53 AM
I mean yeah, cars are fun and all, but you can't live in your car, and you can't pick up chicks, and bang them in the back of your....oh wait nevermind.

hueterm
09-12-10, 11:07 AM
Of course now, when you move out -- make sure you have adequate parking for a toy car...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-12-10, 11:37 AM
Of course now, when you move out -- make sure you have adequate parking for a toy car...

Yes, that. Whether I'm living at home or out alone, I'll need a second car. Everyone else has one, so I should too! :)

Forward progression is key for 2011. 2010 was a fun year, but I didn't further myself in any real way. I mean yeah, I made a lot of new friends, added a LOT of brochures to my collection, same with my album collection, but I'm not making a lot more money, I'm not moving out and I'm not owning a toy car. Those are my goals for 2011. Spend less, save more, progress myself.

Sound familiar? :lol:

Night Wolf
09-12-10, 12:05 PM
This year was "supposed" to be the year I enjoyed my BMW. But I was late to that.

Instead 2010 is the "working a lot of OT to pay off debt" year, along with the "get the darn car back on the road" year. 2011 is my chillin year with plenty-o-roadtrips anywhere I could think of or want to go, to enjoy my "new" 21-year old BMW. I'm excited.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-12-10, 12:15 PM
Hey, now that it's 21, you can run alcohol through it.

orconn
09-12-10, 12:20 PM
Sounds like a plan .... althouh given the set up I'd up the monthly payment to $300. so I'd have more options earlier and a less transition later!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-12-10, 12:24 PM
Sounds like a plan .... althouh given the set up I'd up the monthly payment to $300. so I'd have more options earlier and a less transition later!

Oh I could do that. $100 for them, then $200 for the toy car, in a separate account that THEY don't know about. :lol:

Night Wolf
09-12-10, 02:04 PM
Hey, now that it's 21, you can run alcohol through it.

There is a local Mobil station that is out of my way, but it is now the only gas station I use around here for my vehicles and lawn equipment. It is ethanol free - no alcohol, pure gas :cool:

Stingroo
09-12-10, 02:08 PM
Really? I thought all gas in the US was required to use ethanol.

Night Wolf
09-12-10, 02:27 PM
Having multiple vehicles while living in an apartment complex isn't the best idea. More hassle, more to worry about, more liability. I did it - had two vehicles at various times. About the main benefit is that if you work on your own vehicles, it is nice to have another to be able to go pick up parts etc... At an apartment complex I had to be fairly quick/discrete with my work so it was handy.

If I was living in some sort of a complex with others, I would really not want to have a 2nd car, especially if that 2nd car is just some classic car to cruise around in. If you are renting a house or something else with a dedicated driveway, away from other people - then it is different.

My '93 Coupe DeVille was stolen from the apartment complex I lived at. It wasn't a dump either.

As far as living at home.... if I was still living home at my age, and working full time vs going to school full time, then I would feel obligated to do my share of helping out around the house - my part in room/board, yard work/things around the house and if my parents were cooking me meals I would be supplying groceries.

$100/month is not going to do much to "prepare" you for living on your own. My apartment was $660/month. The 3br house I rented here for the 1st year was $625/month. The mortgage on my house started at $618 but due to tax and insurance being escrowed in to my monthly payment (both of which increase each year - principle and interest remains the same), now it's around $700/month. While I was going through tech school I worked part time, but my step-father helped me financially to pay the bills, since then (when I first moved to GA) I have been totally on my own.

When I rented the apartment my bills were: rent, electric, cable (internet and TV). With the house now it is: Mortgage(includes tax and insurance), electric, cable (internet only - $32/mo) and city utility bill (water, sewer, garbage - only $30/month). Then in both situations personal things like cell phone, car insurance etc...

The apartment was 750sq ft, 1br. My house is 1200sq ft 3br 2ba and the electric bills were about the same - both have central heat/air. My electric bill was $160/mo this Summer with A/C crankin when it was 100+ out. In the winter with the heat it'll be around $120/mo and during the spring/fall for 1-2 months when I don't run A/C or heat it goes down to about $30/mo.

I was looking for ways to cut back on monthly bills. I was paying $90/mo for my cell phone. I had a blackberry through t-mobil with unlimited talk, text and real internet. I now have a straight talk phone for $45/mo with unlimited talk, text and crappy internet. Saving $45/mo ...... cutting one of my main bills in half was a big thing. It's not that money is tight it's just that I realized I could save a good chunk of money which can be applied to various small debts I have, then the Jeep and finally the house.

Night Wolf
09-12-10, 02:31 PM
Really? I thought all gas in the US was required to use ethanol.

Nope. It is not a gov't regulation. It can be a state/city reg though. Atlanta and the surrounding counties require it. The max right now is 10% and just because the sticker saying contains 10% or less is not on the pump, that dosen't mean there is no ethanol as they are not required by law to post it. To know for sure you can go in, talk to the person at the counter and ask to see the paperwork for the gasoline. Obama is trying to raise the minimum to 15%. Older vehicles do not like it, newer vehicles can deal with it better but don't like it. Lawn equipment hates it as do boats. The FAA is no longer allowing the STC that allowed people to run certain small aircraft engines on auto gas because of the ethanol.

There are websites you can go to, to find a local ethanol free gas station, just do a google search.

orconn
09-12-10, 02:32 PM
If I remember correctly, from when you got your new job, your monthly income is in excess of $3000. Living at home (do you help pay for meals at home?) and with relatively inexpensive car payments how come you don't have much left over at the end of the month?

Stingroo
09-12-10, 02:42 PM
That's awesome. I've noticed some places I fill up at the wagon eats gas horribly. I'm talking like 15mpg bad. Normal for me is 19-20.

I may have to start hunting for ethanol free gas stations.

Bro-Ham
09-12-10, 02:45 PM
If I remember correctly, from when you got your new job, your monthly income is in excess of $3000. Living at home (do you help pay for meals at home?) and with relatively inexpensive car payments how come you don't have much left over at the end of the month?

Great question Orr, I can only imagine it goes towards gambling, drinking, and prostitutes. :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-12-10, 02:47 PM
I don't bring home nearly $3,000 a month. Somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 that much. My job doesn't pay well.

hueterm
09-12-10, 03:21 PM
Chad, if you're really wanting to get prepared for moving out, it's going to take a lot more than $100/month -- which wouldn't even cover utilities. I would start out w/an apartment -- you're going to have to get used to living on your own for a while before you can take on the 2nd car -- unless you get a big bump in pay next year.

I would say $750/mo at the absolute minimum -- and that would depend on what rents are in your area. (I'm guessing $500/mo for a passable 1 br. apartment and $250 for utilities, groceries and other misc. expenses.) However, depending on how all of those turn out, you could easily be pushing $1000/mo.

You and your car nut buddies ought to rent a 3 br house somewhere that has a big ass driveway........

Stingroo
09-12-10, 03:27 PM
You and your car nut buddies ought to rent a 3 br house somewhere that has a big ass driveway........

Best idea evar.

drewsdeville
09-12-10, 03:33 PM
I was looking for ways to cut back on monthly bills. I was paying $90/mo for my cell phone. I had a blackberry through t-mobil with unlimited talk, text and real internet. I now have a straight talk phone for $45/mo with unlimited talk, text and crappy internet. Saving $45/mo ...... cutting one of my main bills in half was a big thing. It's not that money is tight it's just that I realized I could save a good chunk of money which can be applied to various small debts I have, then the Jeep and finally the house.

This is where people can really get themselves into trouble, especially with the flashy-but-pointless smartphones on the market. Think you need the GPS on your smartphone? Buy a map for the fraction of the cost. Think you need you need social websites like Myface on your phone? Think again.

I'm doing the same, got some basic flip phone with a $40/mo policy. It's 450 minutes with no texting and no extras. Texting is a waste of time/money when leaving voicemails and/or talking can end a conversation much quicker.

However, quite a few people I know are so attached to their smartphones that , if they have to, they will sacrafice finances in other areas of importance just to protect the phone.

Retarded.

hueterm
09-12-10, 03:39 PM
Do you drive your car to work and then take the Astro out, or do you commute in the Astro? If you take the Astro home, then there's one more car that will have to be parked...

Assume $100/mo for a storage bay big enough for one of these toys that you want, also...if you had to go that route...

Jesda
09-12-10, 03:42 PM
Texting is great because you don't have to talk to people, and you can easily ignore them.

Sprint also charges nothing for it.

drewsdeville
09-12-10, 03:45 PM
Texting is great because you don't have to talk to people, and you can easily ignore them.

Sprint also charges nothing for it.

Isn't screening calls just as easy? If I'm busy, I don't run for my phone when it rings. If it's an important call, they will leave a message which I will get when I'm ready.

If it's someone I don't want to talk to, I just don't answer. Easy as pie.

hueterm
09-12-10, 03:46 PM
Chad, if I remember the list of cars your buddies had correctly -- none of them were as new and none were probably as expensive (except for maybe that '96 Brougham) as your GS is. This frees up some $$ for them to buy multiple cars. An 80s Brougham and TC and Caprice combined is probably what you paid for your GS....and the insurance is probably a lot cheaper. You're getting dinged for the supercharger (or at least I did on the GTP and I was 28 when I bought it) to some extent.

brougham96
09-12-10, 03:48 PM
Chad,
When I look at you, I can clearly see a man who needs a Dodge St. Regis.
http://www.allpar.com/photos/chrysler/R-bodies/st-regis.jpg

hueterm
09-12-10, 03:48 PM
Texting is great because you don't have to talk to people, and you can easily ignore them.

Sprint also charges nothing for it.

Love texting for those quick need to know things -- hate voicemail unless it's a dire emergency.

drewsdeville
09-12-10, 03:49 PM
Chad, if I remember the list of cars your buddies had correctly -- none of them were as new and none were probably as expensive (except for maybe that '96 Brougham) as your GS is. This frees up some $$ for them to buy multiple cars. An 80s Brougham and TC and Caprice combined is probably what you paid for your GS....and the insurance is probably a lot cheaper. You're getting dinged for the supercharger (or at least I did on the GTP and I was 28 when I bought it) to some extent.

Excellent point. Many forget to include insurance costs into the operating cost of a vehicle.

I have a buddy with a purple/gray GS. I have another buddy with a black LSS. They both stick a lot of their extra money into keeping those cars on the road. Nice cars, but I don't think it's worth it at this age. Money is more useful elsewhere at this time.

Personally, I'm paying $147 every 6 months to keep my '90 insured. I own it with no payments to make (car payments is one thing I'm positive I will never accept) and it's a really nice car to drive. I think I can handle that. Gets the job done reliably too.

gdwriter
09-12-10, 04:10 PM
In the long run, your parents have done you a favor, and I like that they're going to set aside the money you pay in rent to help you get a place of your own. But it still wouldn't hurt for you to put aside some money each month on your own.

I didn't get Betty until I was 33, and I had already owned my house for six years. When the time and the car is right, it'll happen.

orconn
09-12-10, 04:12 PM
I don't know if you have a lot of communication equipment and use cost, or if you use texting and other electronic entertainment. Do your parents supply your cable? Cause that's another perceived necessary cost.

I quess you really need to itemize your current (living at home expenses) and make a list of projected to cost to living on your own .... and see how the two sums compare. Then get real as to what you will have to cut to be able to live on your own. It sounds as though your parents are thinking you need to get a little real world experience .. I'd take the hint and start getting prepared for a life changing (for the better) experience!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-12-10, 04:25 PM
This would have all been so much easier if I didn't buy the cars on loan and especially that damned Mercedes. It was so nice with the Roadmaster and deVille to have a car paid for with cash and no monthly payment. The GS is $254 a month (it was about $10,200 with the warranty), but that's $254 I didn't spend with the RM or the SDV and I could have bought a lot of repairs for $254 a month. BUT, with the payment, you can schedule it and easily count on it every month at the same time each month. Plus, being a newer car with a lot less miles, it's not as susceptible to repairs. Still needs good maintenance though, and I treat it well. I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't, considering what I do for work.

The thing that makes the GS more expensive than I thought was my heavy right foot and cocky attitude with that car. Two speeding tickets in the last nine months, and none with the previous three cars I've owned. The first ticket was for doing 79/60 (cop caught me doing 94 but since I was nice to him I got it down), that was purely idiotic on my part, and I slowed down a lot since then, but the second ticket was sort of an accident...I was driving home from a friends house late one night and I was basically about to fall asleep behind the wheel, so once I got off the freeway, I was approaching a yellow light, so I snapped down on the throttle to beat the light, but I was doing about 60 in a 45, so the cop got me, but I talked it down again to 55/45, which is the lowest speeding ticket in MN.

Not to mention seeing as how the since the GS is on a loan, I need full coverage insurance. With the earlier cars, I only needed liability, save more money there too.

Obviously buying that Mercedes cost me a lot of damage financially. I could go into this ad nauseam, but in an effort to save time and energy, I won't. It was fun though, live and learn and have fun while doing so. :)

See though, if I owned '80s luxury cars since day one I wouldn't be in this trouble. I could buy them on cash, I don't need full coverage (even though I'd still buy it), and they're too slow to get any speeding tickets with! :) The only issue with those would be them wearing out over time, and gas, but that's WAY cheaper than insurance, speeding tickets and car payments. But noooooo.....mom and dad wouldn't have me in some big, smelly gas guzzler. How outdated and tacky! Let's make sure he buys an expensive newer car!

Love my smartphone, no way I'm getting rid of those. I'll cut out other things so I can keep that. It's all a matter of priorities.

Oh and someone said that my buddies could have bought four cars for the price of my GS. Yep, that's exactly right. He paid about the same for three of them as I did just mine. How pathetic on my part.

drewsdeville
09-12-10, 04:38 PM
See though, if I owned '80s luxury cars since day one I wouldn't be in this trouble. I could buy them on cash, I don't need full coverage (even though I'd still buy it)


That's absurd. Why would you do that?

Do the math. Full coverage insurance is SIGNIFICANTLY more than just liability.

You used an '80's luxury car as an example. What's the insurance company gonna give you for it if you wreck it under full coverage, $2k at max?

So, if you calculate how much extra you'll pay in full coverage premium over the course of your ownership, it would probably be plenty more than the money you'd get back from full coverage in a wreck. $2k in full coverage insurance payment goes quick. You'll end up being in the red before long.

When the car isn't worth anything, it's just not worth your money to put full coverage on it.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-12-10, 04:43 PM
Liability doesn't cover thefts, vandalism or storm damage does it? That's something to think about....lots of these old boats are stolen, especially if they're in good shape.

Better safe than sorry....

Night Wolf
09-12-10, 04:49 PM
I am guilty of a heavy txter..... I guess it's part of a modern-day long term relationship. We talk on the phone, but many times a quick txt is easier as we have our own schedules, or with down time at work etc...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-12-10, 04:53 PM
I text way more than I do call. A phone call is great when you want to discuss plans or business or catch up over lost time with a distant friend or relative, but to answer a quick question, I'll just text. Also, when I get a girl's number, I'll text first to get the ball rolling, then after we're off and running then I'll start to call from time to time.

My buddy Kevin's girlfriend, Sara sends and receives about 3300 text messages a month! I think I might do 600 a month...

drewsdeville
09-12-10, 05:03 PM
Liability doesn't cover thefts, vandalism or storm damage does it? That's something to think about....lots of these old boats are stolen, especially if they're in good shape.

Better safe than sorry....

Right, and that would be something to consider if the car was worth more in the insurance companies books, but it's not. After a predetermined fraction (not 100%) of teh cars value is exceeded, that's it, you don't get any more return. Your full coverage premiums will exceed that value real quick.

You are probably better off paying for a broken window and lock cylinder out of your pocket rather than paying thousands in insurance premiums.

Don't waste your money on fear of what could happen to a $2k car.

hueterm
09-12-10, 05:04 PM
OK, so then I'm going to say the unmentionable -- why don't you get rid of the GS? You may be upside down on it, so it might take a while....but if you found a decent 3800 or RM on a lot, you might be able to trade your way out of the loan and for a little bit extra get your cash car.

This may be a bit much for a cash car, but it's just over half of what you paid for the GS.... And it is Jaguar-lite...

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=283799432&dealer_id=565585&car_year=1996&engine=&fuel=&lastStartYear=1981&sort_type=priceDESC&systime=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&drive=&style_flag=1&body_code=0&sownerid=581567&seller_type=b&min_price=&color=&model=BUICKROAD&keywords_display=&advanced=y&distance=200&doors=&keywordsrep=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&awsp=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&rdm=1284321737393&marketZipError=false&keywordsfyc=&search_type=both&transmission=&model3=RIV&model2=PARK&max_price=&max_mileage=100000&end_year=1998&make=BUICK&start_year=1992&certified=&num_records=25&make3=BUICK&make2=BUICK&address=55401&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&cardist=184&standard=false

Night Wolf
09-12-10, 05:13 PM
Liability doesn't cover thefts, vandalism or storm damage does it? That's something to think about....lots of these old boats are stolen, especially if they're in good shape.

Better safe than sorry....

That's why on my vehicles I carry comprehensive but no collision. Comp covers fire/theft/acts of nature etc... It dosen't cost all that much extra and I carry a $500 deductible IIRC. Although because at the time money was so tight, I did not carry comp on my '93 DeVille so when it was stolen - it was a total loss.

Collision is what really adds in cost - and that covers if you personally wreck your own vehicle - thats it. If I wreck my own vehicle, it's probably because I was doing something to cause it, in which case it would be my fault and I would either repair it or use the parts on another vehicle.

I have full coverage on the Jeep, as it is financed. First vehicle I have payments on when I said I wasn't going to do that. I'm glad I bought an almost 4 year old vehicle though and not brand new. I paid exactly half what it went for brand new and already put more miles on it then the original owner did. I was able to justify it with the Jeep because they hold their value so darn well, even now I am not upside down on it.


This would have all been so much easier if I didn't buy the cars on loan and especially that damned Mercedes. It was so nice with the Roadmaster and deVille to have a car paid for with cash and no monthly payment. The GS is $254 a month (it was about $10,200 with the warranty), but that's $254 I didn't spend with the RM or the SDV and I could have bought a lot of repairs for $254 a month......

Not to mention seeing as how the since the GS is on a loan, I need full coverage insurance. With the earlier cars, I only needed liability, save more money there too.

Obviously buying that Mercedes cost me a lot of damage financially

See though, if I owned '80s luxury cars since day one I wouldn't be in this trouble. I could buy them on cash, I don't need full coverage (even though I'd still buy it), and they're too slow to get any speeding tickets with!



Now I'm not going to say that I (and many others) told ya so....

....but I will say something about the Benz. Looking back I realized I went about it the wrong way - in a way that was putting down the car when you first got it. That is not what I was trying to do.

At the time I remember you were looking at '95-'97 Town Cars. That is around the same time I bought my '96 Town Car Signature Series. All of the comparing of the cars (styling aside, which is subjective) in my mind was done to try to get you to realize that the Lincoln offered you a whole lot of the car you wanted for a fraction of the up front cost and cost of ownership.

I know through that whole deal I got a bad rep - no doubt egged on by a certain member(s), who, years later, still feel the need to instigate. Whatever the case, I'm not all that concerned about how someone on an internet car site may feel towards me. I know I said it once before, but I would like to say it again: I wasn't trying to put down your specific car or say my blah blah is better than your blah blah. I was trying to say that it would not be the right move at all to buy such a car - perhaps it was taken a different way then intended and I apologize for that.

As far as fixing things now. I'd say simply put - get out of debt, stay out of debt. If the car is your main/only form of debt, pay the thing off. If you think it is difficult to pay it now then wait until you have rent, utilities and food etc... to pay for. I would even go as far to say that if your current job is not making enough money, then while living at home with much less expense and responsibilities - to pick up a 2nd job, nights or weekends etc... It dosen't have to be anything fancy or high paying, but then put all the money you make from that job onto paying off your car. Between that and your normal payment, it could be paid off in a year. Sure you won't have as much time to hang out with friends.... it would be a matter of what's most important to you.

drewsdeville
09-12-10, 05:19 PM
OK, so then I'm going to say the unmentionable -- why don't you get rid of the GS? You may be upside down on it, so it might take a while....but if you found a decent 3800 or RM on a lot, you might be able to trade your way out of the loan and for a little bit extra get your cash car.


It's never good to give up once you took the dive. No need to unnecessarily accumulate more debt than you already have. Once your are in, you are always better off working through it, when possible, till the end. Ricks advice is perfect for this situation. With such little overhead, there's no need to give up on it and lose your ass. Do whatever it takes to ay it off as quick as you can...you have plenty of resources available to you at this point and there will be no better time to do this. Pay it off and move on.

hueterm
09-12-10, 05:28 PM
Huh?

To my knowledge, he hasn't dumped a ton of money into repairs -- so all he's dealing with is a car, a loan, mileage, and depreciation. If he's close to even on the car, or even somewhat behind, if he can get another car w/cash and get rid of a $250/mo loan, then why not?

Now, if like me, who has dumped many thousands of dollars into repairs on your many vehicles.....then short selling them may not make the most financial sense.....

Also, Chad -- if you could stand it...Rick's suggestion of a second job could help level the playing field a little. It would help w/recovering some of the $$$ you had to put into the S, plus it would keep you from going out as much w/your friends and spending $$$.

Night Wolf
09-12-10, 05:30 PM
OK, so then I'm going to say the unmentionable -- why don't you get rid of the GS? You may be upside down on it, so it might take a while....but if you found a decent 3800 or RM on a lot, you might be able to trade your way out of the loan and for a little bit extra get your cash car.

This may be a bit much for a cash car, but it's just over half of what you paid for the GS.... And it is Jaguar-lite...

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=283799432&dealer_id=565585&car_year=1996&engine=&fuel=&lastStartYear=1981&sort_type=priceDESC&systime=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&drive=&style_flag=1&body_code=0&sownerid=581567&seller_type=b&min_price=&color=&model=BUICKROAD&keywords_display=&advanced=y&distance=200&doors=&keywordsrep=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&awsp=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&rdm=1284321737393&marketZipError=false&keywordsfyc=&search_type=both&transmission=&model3=RIV&model2=PARK&max_price=&max_mileage=100000&end_year=1998&make=BUICK&start_year=1992&certified=&num_records=25&make3=BUICK&make2=BUICK&address=55401&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&cardist=184&standard=false

Mercedes-Benz round 2.

I say keep the car. It's a good reliable car with a known history at this point. Cost to repair isn't drastically inflated as the Benz was. For what it would be to sell the GS just to buy an older, basically same car for less money, I think would be more trouble then it's worth. Yes, I would leave it as a possibility. But if it was me, while living at home with my only/main debt being my car - I'd be workin my butt off to pay it off.

Get out of debt, stay out of debt. Sometimes it is difficult such as when buying a house etc... but many things in todays world people feel they "need" or have a "right" to own.... and many times those things are acquired via debt.

My house is full of second hand, hand me down or free stuff. Pretty much nothing matches and many of the things I've had since I was first on my own in Florida in my apartment 5 years ago. It dosen't matter to me. It dosen't mean the place is a dump or a mess to be in... it's just a matter of living within ones' means. Personally, I don't care about flashy furnature or the latest and greatest home technology (TVs surround sound etc...) Many of those things people pay a premium for to get new and they loose value just like a new car. Furnature is one of them - you can find mint newish stuff for cheap because someone else got tired of the color or pattern on their couch.

If someone were to break into my house - there really isn't a lot dollar wise to take. Of the most expensive, besides the original 1992 appliances would be the queen tempurpedic mattress that my parents got me as a gift when I bought the house. Other then that some old stereo equipment that means a lot to me, but isn't worth much. My TV is still the 25" Sanyo (mono, only coaxial imput) TV my mom bought me in 1997 or so. The laptop is now a 3-year old HP showing its age etc...

I used to collect and keep stuff.... not just stuff... but junk.

there were BOXES of stuff that I just "HAD" to have. They went from NY to my apartment in FL then up to the rented house in GA and finally from that house to my house. Well before things went from the rented house to my house I told myself to go through it and see what was there. It was junk! Boxes of magazines, things of no value... just junk. I ended up moving a bunch of stuff anyway - that filled up one of my outside sheds. About a year later I went through that and saw that again, most of it was junk.

Anything of use that I didn't want went to Goodwill, otherwise it went in the trash. I am (slowly) doing this to the other half of my now workshop shed, along with one of the spare bedrooms which has been a storage area.

Through all of this, I really learned less is more. If you don't use something, and haven't used it within a year - you really don't need it.

hueterm
09-12-10, 05:35 PM
No more than the Regal could potentially be, since it's out of warranty -- and at twice the price.

Chad did bring up how the car payment is an issue. Every month he doesn't have it, is $250. I can't believe that if you're worried about $45/month on your cell phone bill, that a $250/month auto loan wouldn't send you into panic mode....

Night Wolf
09-12-10, 05:38 PM
Huh?

To my knowledge, he hasn't dumped a ton of money into repairs -- so all he's dealing with is a car, a loan, mileage, and depreciation. If he's close to even on the car, or even somewhat behind, if he can get another car w/cash and get rid of a $250/mo loan, then why not?

Now, if like me, who has dumped many thousands of dollars into repairs on your many vehicles.....then short selling them may not make the most financial sense.....

Also, Chad -- if you could stand it...Rick's suggestion of a second job could help level the playing field a little. It would help w/recovering some of the $$$ you had to put into the S, plus it would keep you from going out as much w/your friends and spending $$$.

I don't think anyone is implying that he is paying a lot for repairs.

But ultimately it all comes down to "CAR FUND" for keeping a vehicle on the road in safe and reliable condition. If a car is paid off or financed, new or old etc... dosen't matter. $300 car payment or an average of $300/mo in repairs is still $300. I personally feel it is much more cost effective to keep an older car on the road. In the case of the ~$260 GS payment, if it was an older car one could make those "payments" to themself and store it in a "car fund" - don't touch it, because if a car was financed, it would go to the bank and not be of any use.

After any initial work an older car may need, it should be good for a while. Just 4 months of those "payments" to yourself would be $1,000 - short of an entire replacement engine or trans rebuilt, that should be enough for any major "older car" repair, heck it'd even buy a nice set of tires. Do that another 4 months and now after just 8 months of owning the old car there will be $2,000 saved up - so even if the transmission does crap out you can get it rebuilt. All while using the money you would have been giving to the bank... and instead of being charged interest you would be making (little) interest in a savings account.

As I do all my own work on my vehicles, repairs are not costly and can be seen ahead of time (mostly) due to my strict preventative maintenance, but for someone that relies on others to fix their car - this is an excellent solution.

That was a tangent, but it had to do with, overall, what was being said. No the GS may not be requiring expensive repairs, but there is still a large chunk of the income being spent on it one way or another.

hueterm
09-12-10, 05:44 PM
We're pretty much on the same page -- but if he's out of warranty, he could end up paying it just as much as on a car that was half or less of the price.

Banking the $250 and owning a cash daily driver would be much smarter financially -- if the right car was available and the GS could be gotten out of.

Night Wolf
09-12-10, 05:44 PM
No more than the Regal could potentially be, since it's out of warranty -- and at twice the price.

Chad did bring up how the car payment is an issue. Every month he doesn't have it, is $250. I can't believe that if you're worried about $45/month on your cell phone bill, that a $250/month auto loan wouldn't send you into panic mode....

..... worried about $45/mo cell phone bill.... in reference to me?

No, I am not worried about it. I could just as easily been paying it. But when I found out that I could get basically the same service for half the price, I jumped on it. I am not frugal, but I am not going to just shell out lots of money for something I don't need - the same reason why I don't even bother with cable or sat TV. I could afford any TV package I want, but I don't even feel the need to watch TV because when I had it, I usually didn't watch it.

FWIW my Jeep payment is $360/mo, I usually put $400-$420/mo on it to pay it off faster. That is ontop of all the other bills I have. So no, I am not "worried" about the $45 difference in cell phone bill.

Is the issue really having trouble paying a $250/mo car payment while living at home when the parents just now, after years decided to start collecting $100 rent? I don't think that was the issue... but I could be mistaken....

drewsdeville
09-12-10, 05:53 PM
After any initial work an older car may need, it should be good for a while. Just 4 months of those "payments" to yourself would be $1,000 - short of an entire replacement engine or trans rebuilt, that should be enough for any major "older car" repair, heck it'd even buy a nice set of tires. Do that another 4 months and now after just 8 months of owning the old car there will be $2,000 saved up - so even if the transmission does crap out you can get it rebuilt. All while using the money you would have been giving to the bank... and instead of being charged interest you would be making (little) interest in a savings account.
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I like this.

I try explaining this to my friends who question why I drive such old vehicles. I try to explain this and they just don't get it. It's simple math...

Night Wolf
09-12-10, 05:59 PM
On second thought, this whole thread is about picking up a 2nd car, not a required work vehicle etc... but a classic car as just a cruiser.... while still living at home, when money is already tight.

Screw the second car. Pay off the GS and be done with it. If there was room in the budget to even allow the thought of purchasing a ~$2,500 car and then the required upkeep and maintenace, then there is obviosuly enough money left over that could be applied ontop of the regular GS payments to get it paid off sooner.

I hate to say it.... but it really sounds like collecting more cars at this point should not be a priority... much less a plan. Living a home - damn, help the parents out (IMO more then $100/mo) and try to get the heck outta there and find your own place. Cars should not even be compared to housing in terms of priority or even which gets more money.

Then again you can drive thru many trailer parks and see a blinged out Escalade in front of the junkiest mobile home....

drewsdeville
09-12-10, 06:16 PM
Wait, I thought everyone kind of mutually suggested no second car a few pages back...

I've been posting under the impression that second car was ruled out already, moving on to more efficient uses of money.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-12-10, 06:21 PM
It's funny how many of my threads about (possibly) buying a new car turn into epically long novels of the troubles of life in modern america.

I owe about $7500 on the Regal. It's worth about $3800 on trade, so it's not smart to trade it off. It's worth about $5100 on private party, so I'm kinda stuck with it. But, not the end of the world, I do still like the car. So it's not like I'm driving a Daewoo that I owe $7500 on or something. I'll just pay it off sooner than is due to keep my credit up, and seeing as how I don't have much other debt than my Visa, it shouldn't be that hard.

However, I'll keep putting away a few hundred a month into my savings account aside from what I'll be giving to my parents so I can get this up and rolling quicker and buy my next car on cash not credit. It's time to stop buying so many possessions and change my mindset so it's not "happiness is how much stuff I have" but instead to "happiness is how much I've got in my savings account".


I've thought seriously about a second job, but with the way my schedule is at this job, it's hard to say when exactly I'll be home from work and ready to go back to work, so unless I got a job working on the weekends, it'd never work out, but at that point it's almost not worth anything because I'll give up my social life and I don't want to do that.

drewsdeville
09-12-10, 06:27 PM
I've thought seriously about a second job, but with the way my schedule is at this job, it's hard to say when exactly I'll be home from work and ready to go back to work, so unless I got a job working on the weekends, it'd never work out, but at that point it's almost not worth anything because I'll give up my social life and I don't want to do that.

If you keep going on living in the present, your future will suffer in one way or another.

It's hard, but you gotta do what you gotta do. You don't want to handicap such a vital turning point that could really define how easy or hard the next 10 years of your life will be just so you can hang out with a couple of buds more often.

You don't have to completely give up your social life but you might have to trim it back.

When I'm not in school, I work opposite shifted part time jobs to help ease the scheduling difficulty. My main bread winning job is 3rd shift, making it super easy to work around. My other job is whatever I can find, first or second shift. Also, in recent years, I've been doing a lot of freelance computer and auto repair, advertised locally.

I'ts rough, but at the end of each day, I own everything I have paying for it all in straight cash, and I don't owe a single person on this planet a dime. It's a really rewarding feeling that doesn't take long to appreciate once you incur more and more responsibility.

Graduation is coming up real quick here...hopefully I won't have to juggle jobs anymore :/

orconn
09-12-10, 06:29 PM
OK, so then I'm going to say the unmentionable -- why don't you get rid of the GS? You may be upside down on it, so it might take a while....but if you found a decent 3800 or RM on a lot, you might be able to trade your way out of the loan and for a little bit extra get your cash car.

This may be a bit much for a cash car, but it's just over half of what you paid for the GS.... And it is Jaguar-lite...

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=283799432&dealer_id=565585&car_year=1996&engine=&fuel=&lastStartYear=1981&sort_type=priceDESC&systime=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&drive=&style_flag=1&body_code=0&sownerid=581567&seller_type=b&min_price=&color=&model=BUICKROAD&keywords_display=&advanced=y&distance=200&doors=&keywordsrep=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&awsp=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&rdm=1284321737393&marketZipError=false&keywordsfyc=&search_type=both&transmission=&model3=RIV&model2=PARK&max_price=&max_mileage=100000&end_year=1998&make=BUICK&start_year=1992&certified=&num_records=25&make3=BUICK&make2=BUICK&address=55401&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&cardist=184&standard=false

Aside from a few fender line there is nothing like Jaguar XJ about a Buick PA of that vintage. I uesed to rent mid nineties Buick PAs to go to horse shows when one of my other cars was laid up and I can teel you for a fact that Chad's Regal GS is mor Jaguar-like than the PA!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-12-10, 06:33 PM
I thought about saving up a bunch of money, buying that $2000 '83 Riviera I like and selling my GS too, but I don't think that would work out so well financially...

orconn
09-12-10, 06:53 PM
First let me say, Chad, you are not in financial trouble ..... you have just pre-made decisons as to what you are able to do until you've paid off some of your debt. I wouldn't make a change in the Regal. If I rmember correctly you still have a warranty on the Regal for a while longer and while you may have over paid for the car, it is in good condition and serviceable. Your current job doesn't cost you anything for transportation, so aside from the $100. your parents are requiring you have some discretion over how you spend the remander of your monthly income. So that is where you have to make adjustments to make the financial objectives you are trying to achieve.

The other obvious move is to look for a better job, or a job that allows the flexibility to have two jobs or whatever. If you are making what you have said then their should be, even in these times, a job out there for a well spoken young man who can get to work on time. Ofcourse, this also comes back to formal education when you are looking longer term at possible employment opportunities for future income growth. You obviously have several skills, writing being one of the many, but to have the opportunity to put these skills to use most employers are only willing to pay decent wage to those who hold a degree, or a skill that is in really short supply.

So your problem isn't surviving in the here and now, but what can I do now to improve my life in the future.

Night Wolf
09-12-10, 07:47 PM
..... It's time to stop buying so many possessions and change my mindset so it's not "happiness is how much stuff I have" but instead to "happiness is how much I've got in my savings account".


That can be just as bad.

I would try to change the motto to something like "Happiness is being content with what you have"

People want something that they don't have, then when they get it, it becomes old and they want something else. Chasing the fancy car/house/boat or chasing the dollar.... all ends up in the same place. People thik to themselves "if I just made a little bit more money I would be happy" Next thing ya know, they are making more money and feel the same way. Someone making $30k a year can say that and someone making $80k a year can say it. The less you own the less can be taken away.

ted tcb
09-12-10, 08:46 PM
Agreed ... its not how much you make, but rather, how much you keep.
There's something to be said for living in moderation, within your means.
You certainly sleep more peacefully at night.

77CDV
09-12-10, 09:49 PM
There's much to be said for moderation in all things, but that really does mean all things, including frugality. Yes, live within your means. Yes, prioritize your goals. Yes, always have a backup plan. But, if there's something out there that you really want, and you have the basics all covered, I see no earthly reason to deny yourself the pleasure. Money is a tool, a means to an end, never an end in itself. When it becomes so, you have become a miser, and life becomes quite grim in short order.

I suggest you sit down, sort out your incomings and outgoings, then apportion a budget that will allow you to live independently within your current income. Once you have that, then you can make plans for the occasional indulgence.

Prepare for your future, certainly, but live as though you'll die today, for the future is promised to no one.

hueterm
09-12-10, 10:03 PM
Oh no, Chad...you don't want to lose that much on the GS... I also wouldn't pay it off sooner with accelerated payments. Save the extra so you control it and then pay it off early if you want.

Bro-Ham
09-12-10, 10:15 PM
Chad, you have the best support group ever. :) Decide what you want, how you want it, when you want it, and make a plan. Nothing ever works out as you think it should but having some kind of a foundation will focus and guide you. The key is to get yourself in a position where life is in balance. The basics are must, the luxuries are a reward. Goals are the motivation to focus on your plans, which are your map to the future you want, regardless of what that is. You can do anything you set your mind to and you're at the point in life where anything is possible. Shoot for the moon, you're a smart and shrewd guy, and I predict you'll go far once you allow yourself to imagine the possibilities and want to make them happen, whatever it takes! :)

77CDV
09-13-10, 12:22 AM
^What he said. :)

gdwriter
09-13-10, 02:30 AM
Money is a tool, a means to an end, never an end in itself. When it becomes so, you have become a miser, and life becomes quite grim in short order.I agree. There's a reason why I teach online classes and do freelance PR and e-mail marketing. My 9-to-5 job at OSU pays the mortgage and the other bills. The extra work I take on pays for things I want or want to do.

Speaking of which, I have one more student assignment to grade tonight.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-18-10, 03:37 PM
Well, I don't want to count my eggs before they hatch, but things look to be shaping up....

A month ago, my uncle approached me, told me that he had a friend that ran an automotive brokerage/transportation planning firm and he wanted to hire some help because he had some other projects he wanted to work on. Well I met up with his friend about two months back, and we talked for a bit, and what his business entailed sounded good, but I didn't hear back from him for a while, so I called him out of the blue about two weeks ago, and he said he saw a lot of potential in me for this business, so he'd like to get together and talk some more about it. Well we met up for breakfast this morning, and he explained to me a bit more of what goes on in the business, showed me some of his clients' files and invited me out to work on a potential client, that had emailed him looking for a car, and now once this client calls the man back, I'll go out with him and he'll start showing me the ropes.

Basically, what transportation planning is basically being a consultant to someone who's buying a car, and guiding them along the way, as opposed to just selling them what's on your lot. Think of it as a realtor v. a salesperson. A realtor is going to show you the houses you want, after you sit down and talk numbers and what you want in a house. They'll scour the market for what you want and take the time to show them to you, no matter who's listing the house. That's what we'll do, except for cars & trucks. Looks like fun!

orconn
09-18-10, 04:43 PM
Sounds like an opportunity, hope all goes well! With the economy the way it is things can only improve for this service. As far as compensation for your services are you on a retainer or do you work on commission only? Could be quite interesting if there is enough business. Would you be dealing with both private and commercial accounts?

77CDV
09-18-10, 04:55 PM
Coolness! Best of luck, Chad!

ryannel2003
09-18-10, 05:29 PM
I'm in a similar boat to you Chad; the Cadillac has hurt me financially over the past year or so and I've considered selling it, but since it's trade in is about $4000 and the Private Party value is only $5500, I decided to keep it and just fix it if anything goes wrong (unless the transmission or motor craps out on me of course). Luckily, my car is paid off but even still it's hard to keep something that requires such expensive work running. You're luck in that you have a Regal, a car that I considered many times before (and even after) buying the Seville. I'm glad you got out from under the Benz before it started requiring more expensive work... otherwise you'd probably be in over your head.

I just moved out myself since i'm going to school and it's expensive. Luckily I had financial aid help me but it's expensive living on your own. My parents have also been helping me but live with your parents as long as you possibly can before moving out. My really only expense besides the apartment is groceries and a cell phone bill, which is right around $80 a month. My parents have gotten on me alot for having such an expensive phone (iPhone) but I figured I owed it to myself considering I've been wanting one since they came out. Just keep on going along and hopefully you'll get that job where you can have more money to spend. Good luck!

93DevilleUSMC
09-18-10, 05:57 PM
I hope you get the job, Chad. Maybe you can go buy yourself a well-deserved `94-96 Fleetwood Brougham like the one you looked at.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-19-10, 01:43 PM
I saw this on the way down to my meeting about the job. Fate?
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/2010-09-18_11-20-11_818.jpg

hueterm
09-19-10, 07:28 PM
I like that color...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-20-10, 12:33 AM
Yeah, it wasn't bad. The car it's self was in poor condition though.

I was cruising the CL yesterday afternoon, and found a nice '77 Mark V for sale at a Park n' Sell across town, so I picked up my buddy Brandon and cruised on up there. Well the Mark V was gone, but they did have an '85 Seville Elegante in almost mint condition, so I got to thinking, those aren't so bad. Obviously they're not as desirable as a Toro/Riv/Eldo, but they can probably be had much cheaper and like it or not, they're a classic Cadillac design that really sticks out and won't be confused for anything else. I like the way they look, but it's obviously going to attract a lot of negative attention as well.
http://www.autobase.com/photos/00640/1074/10746369_004.jpg
http://www.autobase.com/photos/00640/1074/10746369_005.jpg
I could do that. If I got a nice '80-'81 with low miles, preferably with the Elegante package, and for a low, LOW price.

Night Wolf
09-20-10, 01:02 AM
I like that steering wheel design... I grew up with it. The two spoke with jeweled crest in the middle is one of the better Cadillac wheels.

orconn
09-20-10, 01:10 AM
What can I say, you either like the "bustleback" Sevilles or you don't. There was a time when they were all over L.A. and to be honest I could never warm up to them, but like the 1959 Cadillac these bustlebacks may oneday develope a real following.

If you like the design, I would imagine there are plenty still around in nice condition that ca be had for reasonable prices. California and Florida should yield a good selection. Best of luck if you decide to go that direction. If memory serves they drive pretty much like the Eldorados of the eighties.

Actually a very good friend of mine had a early eighties 8-6-4 Seville Elegante exactly like the one you have pictured. If you could one as clean and low mileage as the one my friend had it should be a nice hobby car.

ga_etc
09-20-10, 01:24 AM
I could go for that style Seville so long as it didn't have the 4100 in it. Bustleback+N*= SLEEPER!

77CDV
09-20-10, 01:30 AM
Yeah, it wasn't bad. The car it's self was in poor condition though.

I was cruising the CL yesterday afternoon, and found a nice '77 Mark V for sale at a Park n' Sell across town, so I picked up my buddy Brandon and cruised on up there. Well the Mark V was gone, but they did have an '85 Seville Elegante in almost mint condition, so I got to thinking, those aren't so bad. Obviously they're not as desirable as a Toro/Riv/Eldo, but they can probably be had much cheaper and like it or not, they're a classic Cadillac design that really sticks out and won't be confused for anything else. I like the way they look, but it's obviously going to attract a lot of negative attention as well.
http://www.autobase.com/photos/00640/1074/10746369_004.jpg
http://www.autobase.com/photos/00640/1074/10746369_005.jpg
I could do that. If I got a nice '80-'81 with low miles, preferably with the Elegante package, and for a low, LOW price.

That Seville is a sweet looking car. I've really come to appreciate them as time's gone by. Of course, with the 4100, it'll be dead slow, but as you'll be casually cruising along on those glorious MN summer days, perhaps you won't mind so much.

Night Wolf
09-20-10, 01:56 AM
Maybe it is just me.... but at this point, is the downfall of the HT4100 even worth mentioning?

I mean, the cars are approaching 30 years old. If it didn't blow up yet, then chances are it'll last. Do routine maintenace, enjoy not having to fuss with a carburator and drive the car. Especially as any sort of a "classic" or "cruiser" that is not relied upon daily - maintenace will be kept up and problems should be able to be detected before anything major happens.

It's low on power, but whatever, it'll still accelerate the car and maintain speed that will keep with the flow of traffic for any public road in the US.... and the whole point of such a car like this "cruiser" is to enjoy laid back driving. Plus it still makes the cool V8 sounds.

ga_etc
09-20-10, 02:23 AM
If not Chad's, I know this car is calling someone's name on here...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-SEVILLE-RARE-ELEGANTE-MODEL-GORGEOUS-NO-RUST-AZ-/160475987737?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item255d1d3f19

Aron9000
09-20-10, 03:11 AM
If not Chad's, I know this car is calling someone's name on here...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-SEVILLE-RARE-ELEGANTE-MODEL-GORGEOUS-NO-RUST-AZ-/160475987737?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item255d1d3f19

Oh you mean the Cadillac Nova???? Its got all the luxury and technical sophistication(for the 70's) to make it a real Cadillac IMO. The styling looks like any other 70's car of that era though, even in pimped out treatment like that example.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-20-10, 09:02 AM
Like many others could never warm up to the bustleback Sevilles, I never could warm up to the first generation Sevilles.

Bro-Ham
09-20-10, 11:59 AM
I like the 80-85 Seville too. A 1980 Elegante would be quite an interesting car to have. I also like the 84-85 models with the Eldo Biarritz interior, I'd do one of those with a diesel if it were me doing the choosing. Chad, regardless of what you decide on it will be fun. :)

Chad, good luck with the car biz. I was a new vehicle broker and used car dealer for 17 years in MN. The business of locating used vehicles for customers sounds like a great idea although it can be a challenge to meet the expectations of your customer (quality, price, timing) so get a big deposit from your clients, make sure you're making plenty of money to offset the cost of your time, and be prepared to have some fun since if cars are your hobby you'll love it even more when you do it as your business - it's like you're not even working! Best of luck! :)

Jesda
09-20-10, 06:18 PM
It takes a unique personality to love a bustleback Seville. They're interesting and strange, and I'm glad that people are taking care of them.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-20-10, 09:18 PM
Maybe it is just me.... but at this point, is the downfall of the HT4100 even worth mentioning?

I mean, the cars are approaching 30 years old. If it didn't blow up yet, then chances are it'll last. Do routine maintenace, enjoy not having to fuss with a carburator and drive the car. Especially as any sort of a "classic" or "cruiser" that is not relied upon daily - maintenace will be kept up and problems should be able to be detected before anything major happens.

It's low on power, but whatever, it'll still accelerate the car and maintain speed that will keep with the flow of traffic for any public road in the US.... and the whole point of such a car like this "cruiser" is to enjoy laid back driving. Plus it still makes the cool V8 sounds.

I was thinking about that today, and you're right. Any of the HT4100 cars that I like are atleast 25 years old, but if they're still running now, chances are they still will be. They were a motor that had a lot of early failures and they would have been all fixed by now. They are slow, but what wasn't from the early '80s? I bet they're not a whole lot slower than your new 528E, and driving that slow, heavy Astro 1000 miles a week has made me a lot much more laid back when it comes to slow cars. I've timed the 0-60 on the van and it was like 14.8 seconds, and I'm fairly sure an HT4100 car (atleast the Seville/Eldorado) would be quicker than that.

hueterm
09-20-10, 10:01 PM
Yeah, the 4100 would have to be better than 15 sec, and it's not like you should gun that thing anyway -- that's why you have the Regal.

I'd still go Toro, Riv, or Eldo, though -- however, if you want to cruise around w/your friends the 4 doors will help.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-20-10, 10:58 PM
Exactly. With the Astro, I've realized that I can drive a very slow vehicle and not die of boredom, as long as it's got good low end torque and feels reasonably powerful it'll be OK. I mean it's still a small OHV V-8, with a torque curve made for down low power and a reasonably steep final drive ratio.

The Toro/Riv/Eldorado would still be above it on my list of desirable vehicles, but a nice Seville with a good history for the right price would work too. Sure would stick out and get lots of attention as well.

orconn
09-21-10, 12:50 AM
Oh you mean the Cadillac Nova???? Its got all the luxury and technical sophistication(for the 70's) to make it a real Cadillac IMO. The styling looks like any other 70's car of that era though, even in pimped out treatment like that example.

I always get a kick when I hear the ignorant refer to the '76-'79 Seville as the "Cadillac Nova," meaning it was somehow a poor imitation of a real Cadillac. While the Seville did use a modified Nova chassis, that is where the similarities ended. Cadillac spent a fortune re-engineering the Nova's chassis to make it the best handling, quietest and arguably most elegant American luxury car of the decade. Sophisticated luxury car buyers on either coast had been defecting to European sedans when Cadillac decided to offer a line topping model that would blend more compact size with some of the American luxury cars best features and some of the European competition's quality and handling. The seventies Seville was a major success for Cadillac and quickly joined Mercedes and Jaguars in the parking lots of prestigious country clubs and restaurants in major cities around the U.S.

As the most expensive model in the Cadillac line up from 1976 to 1979 the car justified its' stiff price tag by incorporating model exclusive chassis refinements, higher grade paints and interior materials and appointemnts which resulted in a car that far outstripped what Cadillac had been offering earlier in the seventies, which had compared very poorly with the higher grade European cars. The new Cadillac De Villes and Fleetwoods which came out in 1977 were also upgraded over previous Cadillacs, although their still large size and relative poor handling when compared to their European competition still limited their appeal in prestige markets.

Sometime, take the time to research the technology that went into the 1976 Seville and you will see how very comparable it was in its' day to the 1993 Seville STS N*. Both cars broke new ground and found new markets among buyers of luxury cars.

Aron9000
09-21-10, 01:52 AM
I always get a kick when I hear the ignorant refer to the '76-'79 Seville as the "Cadillac Nova," meaning it was somehow a poor imitation of a real Cadillac. While the Seville did use a modified Nova chassis, that is where the similarities ended. Cadillac spent a fortune re-engineering the Nova's chassis to make it the best handling, quietest and arguably most elegant American luxury car of the decade. Sophisticated luxury car buyers on either coast had been defecting to European sedans when Cadillac decided to offer a line topping model that would blend more compact size with some of the American luxury cars best features and some of the European competition's quality and handling. The seventies Seville was a major success for Cadillac and quickly joined Mercedes and Jaguars in the parking lots of prestigious country clubs and restaurants in major cities around the U.S.

As the most expensive model in the Cadillac line up from 1976 to 1979 the car justified its' stiff price tag by incorporating model exclusive chassis refinements, higher grade paints and interior materials and appointemnts which resulted in a car that far outstripped what Cadillac had been offering earlier in the seventies, which had compared very poorly with the higher grade European cars. The new Cadillac De Villes and Fleetwoods which came out in 1977 were also upgraded over previous Cadillacs, although their still large size and relative poor handling when compared to their European competition still limited their appeal in prestige markets.

Sometime, take the time to research the technology that went into the 1976 Seville and you will see how very comparable it was in its' day to the 1993 Seville STS N*. Both cars broke new ground and found new markets among buyers of luxury cars.

No doubt that the 76 Seville ushered in a lot of new technology and better quality for Cadillac, but I just cannot get past its styling. It just looks like a lot of other late 70's detroit iron, and the size is just too small for a Cadillac of that era, IMO. Cadillac got it right(or horribly wrong depending on your tastes) with the bustleback Seville, now that was a unique and much more properly sized Cadillac

Aron9000
09-21-10, 01:53 AM
I always get a kick when I hear the ignorant refer to the '76-'79 Seville as the "Cadillac Nova," meaning it was somehow a poor imitation of a real Cadillac. While the Seville did use a modified Nova chassis, that is where the similarities ended. Cadillac spent a fortune re-engineering the Nova's chassis to make it the best handling, quietest and arguably most elegant American luxury car of the decade. Sophisticated luxury car buyers on either coast had been defecting to European sedans when Cadillac decided to offer a line topping model that would blend more compact size with some of the American luxury cars best features and some of the European competition's quality and handling. The seventies Seville was a major success for Cadillac and quickly joined Mercedes and Jaguars in the parking lots of prestigious country clubs and restaurants in major cities around the U.S.

As the most expensive model in the Cadillac line up from 1976 to 1979 the car justified its' stiff price tag by incorporating model exclusive chassis refinements, higher grade paints and interior materials and appointemnts which resulted in a car that far outstripped what Cadillac had been offering earlier in the seventies, which had compared very poorly with the higher grade European cars. The new Cadillac De Villes and Fleetwoods which came out in 1977 were also upgraded over previous Cadillacs, although their still large size and relative poor handling when compared to their European competition still limited their appeal in prestige markets.

Sometime, take the time to research the technology that went into the 1976 Seville and you will see how very comparable it was in its' day to the 1993 Seville STS N*. Both cars broke new ground and found new markets among buyers of luxury cars.

No doubt that the 76 Seville ushered in a lot of new technology and better quality for Cadillac, but I just cannot get past its styling. It just looks like a lot of other late 70's detroit iron, and the size is just too small for a Cadillac of that era, IMO. Cadillac got it right(or horribly wrong depending on your tastes) with the bustleback Seville, now that was a unique and much more properly sized Cadillac. Too bad quality went to pot and it got stuck with seriously sucky engines.

Bro-Ham
09-21-10, 03:35 PM
In 1975 when the Seville was introduced there was nothing else like it in terms of styling, size, luxury features, etc. Within five years the pioneering style of the Seville became the styling that was copied throughout the domestic auto industry.

As for discussion of the HT4100, lull yourself into a false sense of security if you wish to drink the kool-aid, they are still junk. Not many stories come about because not many 4100 cars are actually still driven, much less on a regular basis. If you're intent on trying one then be prepared for the inevitable engine failure and either chopping up the car for parts or doing an engine swap. All part of the fun, I'm busy that day. :)

77CDV
09-22-10, 03:11 AM
I hate to tell you, Chad, but the 4100 Cadillacs have about the same 0-60 times +/- a second as your venerable Bangbus. Any low end torque they have is all used up by about 20mph. After that, they just sort of gradually acumulate speed rather than accelerate. As a DD, teh suck. As a weekend cruiser, not bad.

The second-gen Seville is still cool.

93DevilleUSMC
09-22-10, 10:03 AM
4100!?! Don't do it, for the love of God, man!

Aron9000
09-22-10, 02:27 PM
4100!?! Don't do it, for the love of God, man!

If you want to know how bad the 4100 sucked, in 1982 GM offered a 4.1 V6 made by Buick in the Deville. It was a "economy" option that actually gave you a $165 credit. The Buick V6 was cast iron, carburated, and made 125hp/205lb-ft torque. The HT4100 made 125hp/190lb-ft tq, with fuel injection and all the "latest" technology.

So the fuel economy v6 made more horsepower than the Cadillac V8 that year. And it didn't self destruct. Cadillac's fall from grace wasn't the Cimmarion IMO, it was that god awful 4100 V8, which was used in their entire lineup for several years. The only way not to get one was to order the diesel option, which was even worse, or just not buy a Cadillac, which a lot of people did.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-22-10, 08:35 PM
Well, I will admit that the HT4100 sounded good, had that authoritative V8 sound that the 4.5 and 4.9 did too, but I suppose that makes logical sense as they were designed off the HT4100 platform. I seem to recall the HT4100 having a more definitive, muscular sound than the 425 did in Dave's '79 FWB. The 472/500/425/368 were very quiet, low revving engines. I don't remember them making much in the way of noise in any cars I drove.

But yeah, pretty pathetic, especially when compared to any of the small block Chevys or Fords from that time. The 302/305 made more power and torque, even with a carburetor.

drewsdeville
09-22-10, 08:39 PM
Well, I will admit that the HT4100 sounded good, had that authoritative V8 sound that the 4.5 and 4.9 did too, but I suppose that makes logical sense as they were designed off the HT4100 platform. I seem to recall the HT4100 having a more definitive, muscular sound than the 425 did in Dave's '79 FWB. The 472/500/425/368 were very quiet, low revving engines. I don't remember them making much in the way of noise in any cars I drove.

But yeah, pretty pathetic, especially when compared to any of the small block Chevys or Fords from that time. The 302/305 made more power and torque, even with a carburetor.


It really wasn't that bad when you look at it from a displacement/hp efficiency standpoint. What did a non-Mustang Ford 302 make in the mid-80's...140hp maybe? HT4100 debuted with 135 if I remember correctly... It was just a little short on torque for being placed in the big boats before the mid-80's downsize, which it wasn't designed for. It was just used in the wrong application, early on. Performance wasn't nearly as bad in the '86 and '87 Eldo's, Seville's and Devilles.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-22-10, 09:00 PM
Yeah, let's take a look at this:

1983:

Buick, 307: 140hp and 240 lb/ft
Chevrolet, 305: 150hp and 240 lb/ft
Monte Carlo SS: 175hp and 235 lb/ft
Chrysler, 318: 130hp and 230 lb/ft
Imperial fuel injection: 140hp and 245 lb/ft
Ford, 302: 130hp and 240 lb/ft
351 police package: 165hp and 290 lb/ft
Mustang 302: 175hp and 245 lb/ft


Come to think of it, looking back at the numbers, Buick's turbocharged 3.8L made more power than anything in 1983, atleast for the domestic market.

hueterm
09-22-10, 09:05 PM
Mmm Hmm....that T-Type is still on Autotrader....

drewsdeville
09-22-10, 09:14 PM
Yeah, let's take a look at this:

1983:

Buick, 307: 140hp and 240 lb/ft
Chevrolet, 305: 150hp and 240 lb/ft
Monte Carlo SS: 175hp and 235 lb/ft
Chrysler, 318: 130hp and 230 lb/ft
Imperial fuel injection: 140hp and 245 lb/ft
Ford, 302: 130hp and 240 lb/ft
351 police package: 165hp and 290 lb/ft
Mustang 302: 175hp and 245 lb/ft


Come to think of it, looking back at the numbers, Buick's turbocharged 3.8L made more power than anything in 1983, atleast for the domestic market.

The 307 was an Olds motor. Don't dis the 307 by putting "Buick" next to it :thepan:

:p

Stingroo
09-22-10, 09:25 PM
The 3.8 turbo made more power than almost anything for quite awhile in the mid 80's. It was even faster than the Corvette in '87 IIRC.

Night Wolf
09-23-10, 12:50 AM
damn.... all of a sudden the BMW M20 eta engine sounds powerful... 121hp/170tq from 2.7L I6 in 1982

Jesda
09-23-10, 01:00 AM
damn.... all of a sudden the BMW M20 eta engine sounds powerful... 121hp/170tq from 2.7L I6 in 1982

And installed in lighter and smaller cars, which certainly helps.

Sometimes I wonder if all traffic in the early 80s moved at a snail's pace.

orconn
09-23-10, 01:21 AM
Jesda, all traffic did not move at a snails pace in the '80s. The saving grace for those of use who wanted something a litttle more lively to drive were manual transmissions. While now world beater by today's standards, my '83 Scirocco with its 75 HP (?) and 5 speed, and light weight was a peppy fun car to drive. But if you wanted real get up and go a sixties E-type Jag or a Cobra would definitely reacquaint you with what we had lost in performance!

Stingroo
09-23-10, 02:16 AM
Snails got angry at 80s traffic for going too slow.

77CDV
09-23-10, 03:50 AM
You all forget we were still living with the national double nickel at the time, and were just emerging from the second gas crisis. People wanted fuel efficient more than power. Nominee for grand silliness: that Buick V6 Cadillac offered as an option in all its cars (save the Cimmaron, Series 75 and commercial chassis) returned only 1 extra mpg vs. the 4100. :doh:

Stingroo
09-23-10, 09:44 AM
So, Chad, what's the story on the job? (Unless maybe I missed it in the thread?)

hueterm
09-23-10, 10:12 AM
At least it didn't have to be replaced every 6 months...