: Let's talk Lincoln LSC's!



HAZZARDJOHN
09-06-10, 12:23 AM
I am thinking about buying this car for a fun sleeper/track car.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b55/Johnny1107/lsc.jpg

1988 Lincoln LSC ********** NATIONAL SHOW WINNER ********** (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/wsh/ctd/1934353980.html)

^ These pics are crappy. This car is clean and looks menacing in person.
I've always had a thing for LSC's. They are sporty, yet elegent. I prefer the LSC SE which are even more bad ass in there monochromeness<--- yeah I just made that up!

http://media.motortopia.com/files/4269/vehicle/46b66a63d6518/Mark05.jpg

But the car in the craigslist ad above is for sale right by my parents house. I stopped and looked it over tonight and it is clean and sexy. I think he is a little high on the price, but not too bad. I am thinking about buying this car, ditching the air ride for a good suspension, upgrade the brakes and have a fun little car for track and street.

What do you think?

~HJ

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-06-10, 12:55 AM
Go for it. The LSC is a car highly revered by many. It's as close as you can get to an American 635Ci or 560SEC and really set the bar for personal luxury coupes in the '80s. None of the GM competitors were as sporty as the LSC, but the 79-85 Eldorado was the better looker IMO. I drove JD's in February and really thought it was a fun car, that 302 sounded great, it was decently quick (poor bottom end though, it seemed to have more power in the upper RPM range for some weird reason) and it handled pretty well. They're a pretty good looking car too, many would say it's design is superior to the Mark VIII's...

They're generally a pretty reliable car as well, their major issue being the air springs, but you're gonna swap that out anyways... I'd go for it.

V-Eight
09-06-10, 01:00 AM
Saw one with a cowl hood earlier in the summer, looked beast.

Destroyer
09-06-10, 02:51 PM
that 302 sounded great, it was decently quick (poor bottom end though, it seemed to have more power in the upper RPM range for some weird reason) and it handled pretty well. It's the transmission. The AOD used in the Mark VII and Mustangs was exactly like the one found in a stock Crown Victoria of the same year. No modifications at all to put it in an H.O. car. I drove a few automatic 5.0 Mustangs back in the day and could not believe how much slower they were than the 5 spd models (like the one I had). Night and day difference. I drove a 5 speed '91 Mark VII LSC (custom installation). Much quicker than an automatic version but it was a real sloppy installation and the car needed to much work for me.

drewsdeville
09-06-10, 10:31 PM
It's the transmission. The AOD used in the Mark VII and Mustangs was exactly like the one found in a stock Crown Victoria of the same year. No modifications at all to put it in an H.O. car. I drove a few automatic 5.0 Mustangs back in the day and could not believe how much slower they were than the 5 spd models (like the one I had). Night and day difference. I drove a 5 speed '91 Mark VII LSC (custom installation). Much quicker than an automatic version but it was a real sloppy installation and the car needed to much work for me.

^^^

The AOD was pathetic. Full throttle shifts took what seemed like forever. It affected performance and longevity. The 4R70W was supposed to be an improvement to the AOD, but they all did the same damn thing.

Check out the 1-2 shift on this 78k mile Vic, this is exactly how the AODs were:


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I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-06-10, 10:39 PM
Was the AOD a reliable transmission overall? I know they tend to knock out overdrive, but other than that are they decent?

drewsdeville
09-06-10, 11:54 PM
It was decent in low performance applications. For instance, a old man driving a Lincoln Town car was fine. However, subject an AOD to routine spirited driving or high performance and it's lifespan will be shortened greatly.

The AOD was controlled only by a TV cable, who's linkage looked like it was designed by a 1st grader. When the TV bushing wore out, it caused erratic shifting and really took it's toll on the trans quickly if it wasn't repaired. This was a common problem across ALL models that used the AOD.

The forward clutch packs were a concern. Those were upgraded in later years.

As you mention, OD was a common failure as well. The OD band was too small (enlarged in later AOD-E years) and burned up rather easily.

In a nutshell, it's a VERY fussy trans. It accepts nothing less than a light foot and precise maintenance. I personally think it was garbage but I'm sure there were others out there who ran AOD cars without any troubles.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-07-10, 12:04 AM
Well my buddy that has all the Town Cars has had no issues with them, but then again he drives it like an old man (and seriously, with 150 hp, what's the point of driving it hard??), but another friend of ours had a '91 Grand Marquis, and he drives his stuff a lot harder, and the O/D in his went out.

Night Wolf
09-07-10, 02:50 AM
^^^

The AOD was pathetic. Full throttle shifts took what seemed like forever. It affected performance and longevity. The 4R70W was supposed to be an improvement to the AOD, but they all did the same damn thing.

Check out the 1-2 shift on this 78k mile Vic, this is exactly how the AODs were:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xrgjbMplqU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xrgjbMplqU

My experience with Ford's automatic transmissions is that they are just not as good as GM's - which IMO really does produce some of the best out there.

From my experience, the 4R70W is much improved over the AOD. The one in my '96 Town Car never shifted exactly as I'd like, but for the application it was good. I replaced the 1-2 shift accumulator in mine as the early design was prone to wear. I also replaced the Output Shaft Speed sensor as that will degrade overtime causing poor shifting as well. Other then that it got routine fluid/filter changes.

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The Tony Show
09-07-10, 02:10 PM
My DD is a '97 Mark VIII LSC. I bought it with 68k, and it needed the 4R70W rebuilt badly- OD was burned up, and it "fell" from 2nd right into 4th. Bought a rebuild kit from SCP and had a Certified Lincoln tech at the dealership replace all the bearings, clutches and bands, but it still doesn't feel real snappy. Most of the time it shifts into 3rd right about 45mph, which is the speed limit around here, and as a result it goes into third and then right into OD and falls on its face- feels sloppy.

Great car, but either the characteristics of this trans are not to my liking or it isn't geared right from the factory.

Lord Cadillac
09-08-10, 12:22 PM
I love the LSC's.. I always wanted an SE but never got one.. If you get one of these things, be sure to let the guys know at http://www.lincolnowners.com :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-08-10, 12:49 PM
I agree, Ford's transmissions just don't shift as well as GM's do. I've never really been satisfied with how a Ford four speed automatic shifts.

ga_etc
09-14-10, 11:46 PM
http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/cto/1954122458.html

If you're still looking.

ThumperPup
09-15-10, 12:09 AM
Lincolns where my favorit cars up untill 2002 when they stoped making the last true lincoln to what i consider a lincoln the Continental
I was first thinking of leaving Lincoln in the dust when they stoped prod of the Mark VIII
then the Continetnal was the last straw I owned 3 LSC Models Mark 8s
and 1 LSC Mark 7 they rock

Slithering_Joe
09-16-10, 02:30 PM
I love the Mark VII LSC's. A friend of mine has over 200,000 miles on his - original trans and engine.
A guy that used to live near me has a T-5 manual transmission in his with Mustang LX (FOX) chrome pipes out the rear. Looks stock, looks amazing.

HAZZARDJOHN
10-13-10, 02:06 PM
I am going to look at this car this weekend. He dropped the price and I jsut can't resist looking now! Hopefully it all works out.

~HJ

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-14-10, 12:18 AM
Post the link again John, I can't find it on CL.

Koooop
10-14-10, 02:12 AM
The later the LSC the better.

Nice cars, easy to do light mods on. It doesn't take to much to wake one up.

HAZZARDJOHN
10-14-10, 11:00 AM
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/ctd/1996961074.html