: Used car questions/opinions...



ga_etc
08-31-10, 07:31 PM
No, not for me this time. I swear.

My grandmother got her tax rebate check in from buying the house and I think I have her talked into buying a cheap used car to get them around town while I'm at work and school. I've been looking around on Craigslist, dangerous I know, and I think I have found a couple of candidates.

#1 1999 Ford Taurus SE. Silver with grey cloth. All power of course. Alloy wheels, 3.0 V6 with 145K on it. It's posted for $1,595 + $99 doc fee. Of course we are talking about dealing with cash here, so I'm thinking we could get the car for $1,500 out the door.
http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/ctd/1920776151.html

#2 1995 Subaru Legacy LS wagon. Green with grey cloth. All power, sunroof, AWD, alloy wheels. 2.5 flat 4, auto, 190K. It's posted for $1,895. It's on a car lot too. I think it could be possible to get it for $1,600. Just guesses.
http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/ctd/1929359706.html

My grandmother has NEVER had a driver's license so me or mom would be driving her in whatever gets bought, though it's her money. I think either would be a good choice for them. Anyone have any insights into the reliability of these two cars?

drewsdeville
08-31-10, 07:38 PM
No, not for me this time. I swear.

My grandmother got her tax rebate check in from buying the house and I think I have her talked into buying a cheap used car to get them around town while I'm at work and school. I've been looking around on Craigslist, dangerous I know, and I think I have found a couple of candidates.

#1 1999 Ford Taurus SE. Silver with grey cloth. All power of course. Alloy wheels, 3.0 V6 with 145K on it. It's posted for $1,595 + $99 doc fee. Of course we are talking about dealing with cash here, so I'm thinking we could get the car for $1,500 out the door.
http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/ctd/1920776151.html

#2 1995 Subaru Legacy LS wagon. Green with grey cloth. All power, sunroof, AWD, alloy wheels. 2.5 flat 4, auto, 190K. It's posted for $1,895. It's on a car lot too. I think it could be possible to get it for $1,600. Just guesses.
http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/ctd/1929359706.html

My grandmother has NEVER had a driver's license so me or mom would be driving her in whatever gets bought, though it's her money. I think either would be a good choice for them. Anyone have any insights into the reliability of these two cars?

I don't know anyone that's had one, but I hear older Subies aren't light on maintenance. From what I remember, they had a lot of gasket troubles.

The Ford 3.0 was a solid motor reliability-wise, but was really hard on gas for it's size/power. The AXOD-E wasn't very durable and had clutch wear/slippage problems in the early '90's models (ask me how I know!), but that may have been remedied later on. I'm not sure. Otherwise, as a whole, the Taurus rode on a pretty good platform and really didn't make too much of a fuss, even when neglected.

If the trans feels like it is in good shape when you test drive, the Taurus should be a fairly reliable car.

creeker
08-31-10, 07:45 PM
No, not for me this time. I swear.

My grandmother got her tax rebate check in from buying the house and I think I have her talked into buying a cheap used car to get them around town while I'm at work and school. I've been looking around on Craigslist, dangerous I know, and I think I have found a couple of candidates.

#1 1999 Ford Taurus SE. Silver with grey cloth. All power of course. Alloy wheels, 3.0 V6 with 145K on it. It's posted for $1,595 + $99 doc fee. Of course we are talking about dealing with cash here, so I'm thinking we could get the car for $1,500 out the door.
http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/ctd/1920776151.html

#2 1995 Subaru Legacy LS wagon. Green with grey cloth. All power, sunroof, AWD, alloy wheels. 2.5 flat 4, auto, 190K. It's posted for $1,895. It's on a car lot too. I think it could be possible to get it for $1,600. Just guesses.
http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/ctd/1929359706.html

My grandmother has NEVER had a driver's license so me or mom would be driving her in whatever gets bought, though it's her money. I think either would be a good choice for them. Anyone have any insights into the reliability of these two cars?



Check out carsurvey.org good source of actual car owner comments..

orconn
08-31-10, 08:12 PM
Everyone that I know that had a '97 to 2004 Taurus had to have the transmission overhauled or replaced at around 80,000. miles. Not an inexpensive proposition if done by a dealer. I don't know how well this replacement of the trans held up, but it would certainly be something to look into if you were considering buying a Taurus.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
08-31-10, 08:36 PM
I don't think either of them are really that great and or desirable in the realm of cheap daily drivers. How much money are you looking at spending?

Out of those two, I'd go for the Taurus. It's a car that's much more straightforward, cheaper to own, easier to work on and more reliable. My uncle had an '99-02ish Subaru Outback when he moved here from England a few years back and his headgaskets went on that car. Keep in mind, being that it's a boxer, even though it's a four cylinder, you're gonna have to replace two headgaskets on it, and they're not cheap.

How about something with a 3800? I don't even need to go into why that's a smart choice.

creeker
08-31-10, 08:57 PM
Look up honda civic on carsurvey.org, they get a great review.

creeker
08-31-10, 09:00 PM
Look up honda civic on carsurvey.org, they get a great report.

Playdrv4me
08-31-10, 09:03 PM
You need a car with a 3800 V6, of any generation. You can completely neglect those cars and they'll continue to run forever. DO NOT make the mistake of getting a 3.1 or 3.4 as those are not nearly as reliable as the 3800.

There is a list of cars as long as you can imagine with that solid drivetrain dating back to the 1980s (I see more old and beat up Park Avenues and LeSabres than just about any other "old" car on the road) and any of them are a good pick.

Avoid Crap-ruses, orconn is right about the transmissions and one of my exes had numerous Sables and Tauruses all with trans troubles. Strangely, the Taurus based Continentals from '95 onward seem to fare much better.

ga_etc
08-31-10, 09:39 PM
I'm looking for something with the 3800 under hood. Haven't found anything yet. I would love to find them a mid '90s Park Avenue. I think that would be perfect for them to run around town in. And something perfect for me to steal if it was a PAU, but I don't see finding one of them for under two grand.

drewsdeville
08-31-10, 09:40 PM
Blasphemy!

I've had numerous vehicles in the family with the 2.8L and 3.1L. Fantastic engines. From what I've read (but not witnessed), there was the occasional intake gasket failure. But then again, the 3800's weakness was intake gaskets as well...especially after they switched to composite intakes that added the possiblity of cracking.

hueterm
08-31-10, 09:59 PM
You could look back into the pre-92 redesign of 88/98, LeSabre/PA, Bonneville. The only downside to those are those goofy door mounted seatbelts, but they have 3800s and would probably be a couple of grand. And of course, don't forget old Crown Vics and Grand Marquis....

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=266896875&dealer_id=1360208&car_year=1989&rdm=1283305524663&lastStartYear=1981&model=LESA&num_records=25&systime=&make3=OLDS&make2=BUICK&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1988&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=100&marketZipError=false&model3=98&model2=PARK&search_lang=en&showZipError=y&make=BUICK&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=30719&advanced=y&end_year=1991&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=115&standard=false

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=278135924&dealer_id=624223&car_year=1992&rdm=1283306112352&lastStartYear=1981&model=LESA&num_records=25&systime=&make3=FORD&make2=BUICK&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1990&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=100&marketZipError=false&model3=CROWNVIC&model2=PARK&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&make=BUICK&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=30719&advanced=y&end_year=1995&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=98&standard=false

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=251639447&dealer_id=77696&car_year=1993&rdm=1283306112352&lastStartYear=1981&model=LESA&num_records=25&systime=&make3=FORD&make2=BUICK&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1990&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=100&marketZipError=false&model3=CROWNVIC&model2=PARK&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&make=BUICK&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=30719&advanced=y&end_year=1995&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=111&standard=false

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=284084129&dealer_id=100024404&car_year=1995&rdm=1283306112352&lastStartYear=1981&model=LESA&num_records=25&systime=&make3=FORD&make2=BUICK&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1990&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=100&marketZipError=false&model3=CROWNVIC&model2=PARK&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&make=BUICK&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=30719&advanced=y&end_year=1995&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=72&standard=false

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=284931408&dealer_id=57708603&car_year=1993&rdm=1283306295945&lastStartYear=1981&model=MERCGRAND&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=1990&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=100&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&make=MERC&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=newsortbyprice_DESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=30719&advanced=y&end_year=1995&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=114&standard=false

ga_etc
08-31-10, 10:11 PM
There was a '97 Crown Vic on CL that I called about. It was on a lot here in town and by the time I called it was gone. Must have sold yesterday. I found THE car that's perfect for what they're looking for. http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/cto/1917411448.html It's a '97-'98ish Oldsmobile 88 LS like the one Matt just got.

ted tcb
08-31-10, 10:21 PM
Strangely, the Taurus based Continentals from '95 onward seem to fare much better.

Of course, stuck blend doors and leaking air bags make the Continental a terrible choice.

Destroyer
08-31-10, 10:23 PM
Both have awfully high mileage. I'd look into maybe spending a bit more and getting something nicer.

hueterm
08-31-10, 10:28 PM
There was a '97 Crown Vic on CL that I called about. It was on a lot here in town and by the time I called it was gone. Must have sold yesterday. I found THE car that's perfect for what they're looking for. http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/cto/1917411448.html It's a '97-'98ish Oldsmobile 88 LS like the one Matt just got.


For $2000, I bet that thing has 200,000 miles to be that year...

Playdrv4me
08-31-10, 10:28 PM
Of course, stuck blend doors and leaking air bags make the Continental a terrible choice.

I did not mean that in respect to this particular vehicle search, Ted. Also, my '96 Connie (my first car) was flawless except for the airbags you mentioned, a bad door sensor (a Ford thing) and a broken door handle. As for the air springs, there are plenty of aftermarket replacements and coilover conversions that make that a non issue.

Oh, and it had that shitty 1990s Ford black paint. Beautiful car ruined by clearcoat problems.

Playdrv4me
08-31-10, 10:31 PM
Blasphemy!

I've had numerous vehicles in the family with the 2.8L and 3.1L. Fantastic engines. From what I've read (but not witnessed), there was the occasional intake gasket failure. But then again, the 3800's weakness was intake gaskets as well...especially after they switched to composite intakes that added the possiblity of cracking.

We had a 1997 Century 3.1 that not only blew the intake gasket, but also had premature catastrophic engine failure. 140k was WAAY too soon for that. Sure, that can happen to any car at any time but why bother with anything else when the 3800 is ubiquitous and available in everything this side of Mars. As an aside, that 3.1 was also completely devoid of life in that Century.

ga_etc
08-31-10, 10:38 PM
For $2000, I bet that thing has 200,000 miles to be that year...

That's not all that bad on that engine. I'll call tomorrow and check into it. For some strange reason it's getting hard to find a 3800 car around here except for Camaros and Firebirds.

greencadillacmatt
08-31-10, 10:41 PM
For $2000, I bet that thing has 200,000 miles to be that year...

Mine has 207,000 on it, and runs and drives perfectly. I paid similar to that price. Although the guy I bought it from had owned it since 20,000 miles and LOVED it to death.

hueterm
08-31-10, 10:43 PM
Atlanta:
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/1929940802.html

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/ctd/1929041067.html

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/1928823029.html

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/1921110968.html

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/cto/1920835727.html

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/ctd/1928862491.html

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/1927881146.html

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/wat/cto/1867261604.html

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/1927756316.html

Here's your PAU: http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/ctd/1926944724.html

Playdrv4me
08-31-10, 10:44 PM
Here's your PAU: http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/ctd/1926944724.html

Whoa!

creeker
08-31-10, 10:45 PM
Look up honda civic on carsurvey.org, they get a great report.

I didn't know you were looking for a 3.8, two cars I've owned before were a
90 olds regency 98, and a 90 olds. touring sedan, both were great cars, try and find a touring sedan, their beautiful cars.

Jesda
09-01-10, 03:18 AM
Leaky bags are cheap to convert to springs, but those blend doors are a PITA.

ted tcb
09-01-10, 03:51 AM
I did not mean that in respect to this particular vehicle search, Ted. Also, my '96 Connie (my first car) was flawless except for the airbags you mentioned, a bad door sensor (a Ford thing) and a broken door handle. As for the air springs, there are plenty of aftermarket replacements and coilover conversions that make that a non issue.

Oh, and it had that shitty 1990s Ford black paint. Beautiful car ruined by clearcoat problems.

Oh, I knew you were well aware of the Continental's problems:)
I had the same issues as you did, but with a 89 LSC.
My car was two years old, and Ford head office told me to pound salt when I tried a warranty claim
on the peeling clear coat .... funny thing, over sixty cars later, and I've never given Ford another dollar.

I second everyone's vote for a GM 3.8.
Worse case scenario my mechanic can do an intake gasket repair for about $600.
Of course, by now, these cars have likely had the repair performed.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-01-10, 08:02 AM
Yeah, either you repair that intake gasket for $600, or you buy one where it's already been done, or you buy one that's older than 1995 before they revised the intake manifold and you don't have to worry about it.

The 3800 is miles better than the 2.8 & 3.1 in pretty much every respect. The 2.8/3.1 was a good motor no doubt, but the 3800 is a great motor. My dad had a 3.1 in his '97 Lumina that he had for 11 years and it was a dog compared to a naturally aspirated 3800, and he put new intake gaskets in it twice (80k and when he sold it at 139k), and the mileage wasn't much better than the 3800. On the highway, he could pull 31 with his, and I can pull 28 with mine. In town, he'd get 23-24 mpg, I get 21-22. If I didn't have the supercharger, I could pull 23 city and 32 highway. If the 3100 and 3800 exhibit the same problems and get the same mileage, but the 3800 has a lot more power and is easier to work on, why bother with the 3100?

drewsdeville
09-01-10, 09:06 AM
Yeah, either you repair that intake gasket for $600, or you buy one where it's already been done, or you buy one that's older than 1995 before they revised the intake manifold and you don't have to worry about it.

The 3800 is miles better than the 2.8 & 3.1 in pretty much every respect. The 2.8/3.1 was a good motor no doubt, but the 3800 is a great motor. My dad had a 3.1 in his '97 Lumina that he had for 11 years and it was a dog compared to a naturally aspirated 3800, and he put new intake gaskets in it twice (80k and when he sold it at 139k), and the mileage wasn't much better than the 3800. On the highway, he could pull 31 with his, and I can pull 28 with mine. In town, he'd get 23-24 mpg, I get 21-22. If I didn't have the supercharger, I could pull 23 city and 32 highway. If the 3100 and 3800 exhibit the same problems and get the same mileage, but the 3800 has a lot more power and is easier to work on, why bother with the 3100?

This I can agree to.


Something else I think is worth mentioning though...everyone's focusing on the engine choice. Engines rarely total a car though. especially after the early '90's, you almost can't go wrong as far as reliability, save for a few Chrysler V6's. When they do have problems, engines are generally one of the cheaper areas of the car when it comes to repair. Where you really need to research, especially when looking at higher mileage vehicles, is the integrity of the chassis. When you get above 100k, the chassis starts to show it's true colors. There are quite a few cars out there that will fall apart around their bulletproof engines anyway, entering the local junkyard running sweet but being barely drivable... making the "great engine" point moot.

Not that any of the cars mentioned in this thread exhibit this, I just thought it was something to mention since most of the thread discusses engines, which are only a fraction of the equation.

Stingroo
09-01-10, 11:14 AM
That's true, but less of a concern in southern cars thankfully (in Austin's area, anyway, since he's nowhere near the ocean salt).

ga_etc
09-01-10, 02:08 PM
What about this? http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/cto/1931024105.html

gdwriter
09-01-10, 02:36 PM
No Slant Six Plymouth Valiants available? If there was ever a quintessential grandma car, that's it (my grandmother had a '72):

http://www.chooseyouritem.com/classics/photos/106000/106001.1968.Plymouth.Valiant.jpg

I'll add my vote for a 3800-powered Buick, especially a Park Avenue or LeSabre. I was searching an early 90s Buick or Cadillac when I found Cruella five years ago. Besides being very, very reliable, even if neglected, the 3800 is good on gas. Also, the main demographic for those Buicks are old people; they tend to take good care of their cars, unlike say an old Honda Civic (that's what I was originally looking for when I needed a cheap cash car, and they were all trashed. Which is why I changed my search to a blue-hair car).

gdwriter
09-01-10, 02:45 PM
'98 Park Avenue (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/1931304244.html) in Norcross for $1,700
'93 Park Avenue (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/cto/1930864227.html) in Lithonia for $1,300
'95 LeSabre (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/cto/1930852489.html) in Atlanta for $2,200
'95 LeSabre (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/1929940802.html) in Atlanta for $2,300
'97 LeSabre Limited (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/1928146080.html) in Carrollton for $2500

Stingroo
09-01-10, 03:59 PM
:( that '93 PA brings back memories.

ga_etc
09-01-10, 04:01 PM
As nice as some of those are, I don't see my grandmother wanting to go to Atlanta to buy a car.

drewsdeville
09-01-10, 04:18 PM
I guess it really doesn't apply to this thread since a lot of you are southerners, but around here in teh northern states you really have to be careful with those '90's LeSabres and Park Ave's. Them things have hardcore corrosion issues, even if taken care of. I'm not talking about some rust on the rockers or on the bottoms of the doors (which 95% of them have here)...they get some severe rust in key structural areas, mainly the mounts for the front subframe (the part of the body that the subframe bolts to), the subframe bolts themselves, and the subframe itself.

It really baffles me because many of the GM FWD subframes are remarkably similar across platforms, yet those Buicks are the problematic ones.

Coincidentally, that platform really applies to what I was saying earlier about picking a good chassis vs seeking a good engine. In the northern states, I'd recommend staying away from those in general. Rusted fuel lines, brake lines, gas tanks, exhaust, body, subframe...you name it. Those cars rust worse and faster than anything else made in the last 20 years.

I absolutely despise working on them...everything needs the fire wrench or a BFH :ill:

ben.gators
09-01-10, 04:28 PM
I guess it really doesn't apply to this thread since a lot of you are southerners, but around here in teh northern states you really have to be careful with those '90's LeSabres and Park Ave's. Them things have hardcore corrosion issues, even if taken care of. I'm not talking about some rust on the rockers or on the bottoms of the doors (which 95% of them have here)...they get some severe rust in key structural areas, mainly the mounts for the front subframe (the part of the body that the subframe bolts to), the subframe bolts themselves, and the subframe itself.

It really baffles me because many of the GM FWD subframes are remarkably similar across platforms, yet those Buicks are the problematic ones.

Coincidentally, that platform really applies to what I was saying earlier about picking a good chassis vs seeking a good engine. In the northern states, I'd recommend staying away from those in general. Rusted fuel lines, brake lines, gas tanks, exhaust, body, subframe...you name it. Those cars rust worse and faster than anything else made in the last 20 years.

I absolutely despise working on them...everything needs the fire wrench or a BFH :ill:

This is this first time I am hearing something like this.... and need to say I always have been in southern states. I have owned a Buick before and have done a lot of research about it as well... but never heard about this too. It seems that you guys in north have a lot of problems and cold whether is just one them.. :D

drewsdeville
09-01-10, 04:46 PM
This is this first time I am hearing something like this.... and need to say I always have been in southern states. I have owned a Buick before and have done a lot of research about it as well... but never heard about this too. It seems that you guys in north have a lot of problems and cold whether is just one them.. :D

In more recent years, manufacturers have been doing a MUCH better job of controlling stuff like this. Problems like this are significantly reduced on the newer vehicles with aluminum undercarriages, not to mention the better paint with and galvanized hardware.

I googled a few links for you southerners who don't experience this, and ran into this youtube video that really opens your eyes has to how bad the problem really was...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zoQ5DETRXE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zoQ5DETRXE

Stingroo
09-01-10, 05:14 PM
Wasn't there someone on here who had a C-body DeVille and the whole front subframe rotted out? I think it was Rodya234, actually...

Night Wolf
09-01-10, 09:00 PM
When the subframe falls, it takes the steering linkage with it - then you get no steering.

My '89 Oldsmobile 88 was the same way. It was a NY car its whole life. At 135k the drivetrain was solid but the car had rot all over and I had to sell it.

I found a picture. When I bought the car, the rear brake lines were rusted out, those were repalced. The fuel lines to the fuel filter were rusted. Under the rear seat was rotted out along with the lower porttions of the A-pillars. The exhaust broke off in front of the cat and was patched up (can see the clamps in the pic) The fluid leaking up front was rusted power steering cooler lines. The inner fenders were also rusted.

I like that car alot too. It was first just the winter beater, but then I started driving it more and more. I drove it from NY to FL and that was when the '93 Coupe DeVille was stolen, then the Olds was my only vehicle, which is why I sold it (and was honest about the rust) and bought the Isuzu.

It's a shame too, because it was such a great car. 3800 was a great engine and would bring 32mpg with cruise set at 70 and A/C crankin. I liked the car a lot in that it was a "car" I could use as a "car" and not get all paranoid about.

The picture below is 1 of 6 subframe mounting locations. This was the worst. I could push on the area and it would flex. The other side wasn't as bad but it was rotted out.

After hearing about the subframe that fell on the DeVille from the guy here on the site, I was no longer comfortable driving the car. It was my only car and I routinely drove 70mph+ on Floridas interstates, which consist of roadwork that never ends, so many roads were 2-lane each way with concrete walls on both sides. I really wasn't that thrilled about loosing steering at a time like that.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachments/cadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions/22660d1156173409-isuzu-amigo-rusty.jpg

There really is something to be said about Southern rust free vehicles. Rust is just a huge deal in the North. That is why I am willing to put so much time and money into my 1990 BMW. The body may have cosmetic flaws, but that is not a big deal as to the structural integrity of the car and is cheap to fix in comparison. Looking underneath my 1990 BMW shows a car in better condition then many 2005 model cars in NY. After a few years you can see the rust forming at the seams on frames and stuff.

drewsdeville
09-01-10, 09:25 PM
When the subframe falls, it takes the steering linkage with it - then you get no steering.


That's if the rear of the subframe tears away from the body and rips the steering shaft out of the rack. The front, which you show in this picture, doesn't have such catastrophic consequences.

I had a car brought to me once where one of the front mounts broke away, like the one pictured for the '89 Olds. It handled...rubbery, and clunked away on bumps from the loose subframe slapping against the body but still drove.

But either way, front, back, or the whole damn thing, it's not safe.

I personally don't miss my '88 Olds. It was hell to work on and it ALWAYS needed to be worked on. Every week it was something else...blown brake lines, fuel lines, exhaust leaks, timing chain tensioner and camshaft position sensor (problematic and needs replaced at some point on EVERY series 1 3800, usually around 130k miles)... After the stabilizer links rusted away and broke, and the gas tank developed a rust hole, I was done. The car only had 140k on it. I was disappointed. I expect more mileage than that out of my vehicles.

hueterm
09-01-10, 09:37 PM
Austin, you might want to suggest going to Atlanta to her -- you can be to the northern (nicer) suburbs in like an hour from Dalton. You'll have a lot more selection there than you will in 'Nooga.

ga_etc
09-01-10, 10:21 PM
I know. I'm been looking on the ATL CL and found this: http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/ctd/1930630183.html. :drool::drool::drool: I really like that car. If it were my money, that would be in the driveway this time tomorrow. I'm going to try to get them to go look at it Friday if they still have it at the lot.

RippyPartsDept
09-01-10, 10:40 PM
do you have a good relationship with your local caddy dealer?
they might be able to hook you up with one of their wholesalers, or one of their recent trades that they are going to wholesale
that's how i got my 1999 DeVille - i work at the dealership though too, so i've got more than a foot in the door

ga_etc
09-01-10, 10:48 PM
do you have a good relationship with your local caddy dealer?
they might be able to hook you up with one of their wholesalers, or one of their recent trades that they are going to wholesale
that's how i got my 1999 DeVille - i work at the dealership though too, so i've got more than a foot in the door

I wish I did. I know a couple of guys at the local Chevy dealer but I don't know if that would do many any good or not.

RippyPartsDept
09-01-10, 11:02 PM
ask them to ask for you, or at least ask what they think... they probably have some idea of how their shop handles these situations
it may be 'verboten' but it also may be cool

good luck

ga_etc
09-01-10, 11:15 PM
Thanks. I'm going to try to drag them to Atlanta Friday or Saturday to look at the '93 PAU. I showed them the pictures and they both seemed to like it. I also have someone who's supposed to send me some pictures tomorrow of a 1988 Oldsmobile 98. It has 220k on it but says it runs good and only wants $500 for it.

RippyPartsDept
09-01-10, 11:41 PM
how much is that one from Cobalt? i didn't see a price on their ad?

gdwriter
09-01-10, 11:48 PM
I've always liked that generation of the Park Avenue. I think it's more elegant looking than the one that came next.

ga_etc
09-02-10, 12:28 AM
$1,995. And I completely agree Gary.

hueterm
09-02-10, 12:35 AM
It was very Jaguar....the next gen was Jaguar...if her name was Oprah...

ga_etc
09-02-10, 12:38 AM
Maybe the Jaguar that ate Oprah?

Night Wolf
09-02-10, 02:33 AM
That's if the rear of the subframe tears away from the body and rips the steering shaft out of the rack. The front, which you show in this picture, doesn't have such catastrophic consequences.

I had a car brought to me once where one of the front mounts broke away, like the one pictured for the '89 Olds. It handled...rubbery, and clunked away on bumps from the loose subframe slapping against the body but still drove.

But either way, front, back, or the whole damn thing, it's not safe.

I personally don't miss my '88 Olds. It was hell to work on and it ALWAYS needed to be worked on. Every week it was something else...blown brake lines, fuel lines, exhaust leaks, timing chain tensioner and camshaft position sensor (problematic and needs replaced at some point on EVERY series 1 3800, usually around 130k miles)... After the stabilizer links rusted away and broke, and the gas tank developed a rust hole, I was done. The car only had 140k on it. I was disappointed. I expect more mileage than that out of my vehicles.

I thought the car was quite easy to work on. There was plenty of room in the engine bay as the same/similar chassis was fitted with V8's (Cadillacs)

My car handled well too. It had the firm ride and handling package. I replaced the struts with basic Monroes, it had the same air struts in the rear for ride height adjustment. I went to a junkyard and added a factory strut bar (same one used on my '93 DeVille) which improved handling alot. Tires were nothing special - Goodyear Weather Handler LS, yet the thing was a total beast in the snow.

I was goofing off the first winter I had it and side swiped a telephone poll, hit the driver side fender/door. The car then was hit by a van in a parking lot and insurance gave me like $1200 for repairs and didn't total out the car (even with the damage on the drivers side) I later dropped it off at the vo-tech I was going to and the body shop used it as a project. Put a new fender and door I supplied on, repaired the damage to the back and repainted the whole car (it was silver, but the clearcoat was shot) for $500.

I learned how to tighten up the older GM tilt steering columns on that car, as well as the joys of drum brakes - in the snow, on a gravel driveway. The water pump went out and I also learned that GM sucks when it comes to mixing SAE/Metric/Torx hardware on the same darn component.

I bought it with 116,316 miles and sold it with ~136k. Put 20k miles on it in 2.5yrs.

The rust was a shame. Oh yeah, I forgot 1 of 4 mounting locations for the drivers seat was rotted away, my father fixed it by welding in a patch.

I liked the styling of the '89 too. It didn't have the chrome strip down the hood or a hood ornament but had the composite headlights. Still to today, that car had the best factory headlights I've driven.

Heh, I found some old pictures of it on the cardomain site I no longer use. This is when I first got it. In the background is my '93 Coupe DeVille that was stolen and behind that my moms '89 Brougham that she later gave to me that was then sold to Ben here on the site.

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1471/2781/3676390051_large.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1471/2781/3676390052_large.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1471/2781/3676390053_large.jpg

My mad tyte drivin skillz!!11!!1. I was stomping the parking brake around turns on an empty back road. All was well actually until I hit ice underneath snow.... car didn't want to turn anymore and kept going straight. It was first heading directly into the telephone poll but I managed to mostly miss it... anymore right and I would have hit the support cable anchored to the ground for said telephone poll. this was when I was 16. It happened really fast actually, I just remember looking sorta ahead and out the drivers door and within a split second seeing the mirror pretty much blow up. The car setteled into a large snowbank with the telephone poll resting against the door. I popped it in reverse and hit the gas and the car just backed right out - dragging the poll along the car. I then stopped and did a damage report - nothing major, got back in and drove home. The drivers door opened and closed that one time and then the fender was jamed into the door so for the next week I got in/out of the car through the passenger door, that was until fender modz were prefromed along with a junkyard mirror and door handle, BFM, crow bar and can of spray primer made it good as new! I remeber going back to that spot a year or two later and found various bits of Oldsmobile on the ground next to the poll.

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1471/2781/3676390062_large.jpg

I used to drive around trying to get it stuck in snow.... darn thing was a little tank

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1471/2781/3676390050_large.jpg

We were having a bunch of people over, so I went to move my car to the edge of the driveway. I misjudged just where the drainage ditch was under all the snow and found it rather quickly. I had to go to work so I took my moms Brougham, she called AAA and the car was towed out. I dunno what the tow truck driver did but the driverside sway bar link was trashed and the next morning the driverside CV axle broke.

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1471/2781/3676390057_large.jpg

All said and done, I paid $500 for it and sold it for $500 (with various new parts, paint job, cd player, good tires, A/C that worked). I sold it to a friend of someone on this site. In a thread I mentioned about selling it and was PM'ed asking about it. I told them the extent of the rusting issues but the friend just wanted a car to putt around town in. This was when I was living in Florida, so I drove it to them a couple hours away and they gave me a ride back. Last time I bought an unlimited autocheck subscription I checked the VIN and it has me as the last registered owner, so I don't know if it was ever driven much again after that.

Oh yeah, in NY the vaccum modulator on the transmission went out and it wouldn't upshift until engine hit redline, no matter what. Not if I manually shifted it or accelerated slowly, engine had to reach redline, then it would upshift. I thought the trans was shot but was glad to find that a $10 part fixed it.

Oh...... another good one, I was turning onto a 55mph highway and hit the gas, I heard a snap, the throttle went to the floor and engine to idle. Thinking it was something about the thottle cable I quickly turned cruise on and hit accelerate. I was going to drive home like this but no route would have been direct, I would have had to stop and then not be able to accelerate until cruise control could take over. I was able to drive the car using cruise control to get to a large parking lot where I left the car. I was picked up and returned the next day with a spool of thick twine. I tied the twine around the throttle body and routed it along the engine bay, out the hood and along the driver side door, so throttle was now pulling back on the twine with my left arm out the window. Got it home and installed a new throttle cable I bought from the dealer.

the joys of being 16, lol

*edit - this was also the first car I ever experienced with a turn signal reminder.... drive for a mile or so with the turn signal on and the chime would go off, I thought that was cool.

*edit #2 - I took the Olds to the dragstrip for fun and ran a 16.9 @ 79mph. In comparison the '93 DeVille ran a 15.9 @ 85mph and '79 SDV ran 17.5 @ 78mph. The '93 had 2.73 fdr IIRC, the Olds had the optional 2.97 iirc.

edit #3, what the heck I'll just whore the car out even more. I found these 3 pictures..... probably some of the last I had of the car. These were taken at my apartment in Clearwater, FL (where the '93 Coupe was stolen from). This was after the new door/fender and paint job. For what it was the paint was ok, but you could tell it was something students learned to train on. All in all it looked well for an "old" car and I would have never sold it if it wasn't for the major rust/rot issues.... heck I'd probably still have the thing. It was a strong runner.

The rusted/leaking power steering lines. I am so glad I no longer own/work on vehicles that look like this:

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachments/cadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions/22402d1155050108-possible-stolen-car-pdr_0309-2.jpg

The strut bar was only like $10 and really firmed up the car nice. That 3800 was just a gem of an engine, it did everything right. '89 was the last year for the cast intake manifold as 1990 went to the plastic Tuned Port Injection manifold that introduced cracks/leaks. My engine was 165hp/220tq IIRC. The '90 TPI manifold was said to add 5hp/tq and 1mpg.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachments/cadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions/22401d1155050108-possible-stolen-car-pdr_0308-2.jpg

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachments/cadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions/22403d1155050108-possible-stolen-car-pdr_0310-2.jpg

I have been thinking from time to time about picking up an older cheap commuter car, something basic that gets really good gas mileage.... My mind was going to various late 90's econoboxes, but damn, I may as well just get another one of these. I really liked them. I'm kinda partial to the boxy ones before the 90's restyling designs too.

Night Wolf
09-02-10, 02:36 AM
Thanks. I'm going to try to drag them to Atlanta Friday or Saturday to look at the '93 PAU. I showed them the pictures and they both seemed to like it. I also have someone who's supposed to send me some pictures tomorrow of a 1988 Oldsmobile 98. It has 220k on it but says it runs good and only wants $500 for it.

$500 '88 Olds 98 you say?....... Rick hears voices.... no more cars....no more cars!!!

Aron9000
09-02-10, 05:23 AM
My Granny had a navy blue on navy blue velour 88 of that late 80's vintage, she traded it in on the then new 1992 Olds 88. Before that she had a mid 70's Nova, 4 door, maroon interior, grandpa had an early 80's vintage Silverado, long box, 1/2 ton, 2wd IRCC. I remember riding around in that truck as a little kid, it was pretty damn nice, power everything, two tone silver on grey, velour bench seat, they used that as their primary car until they bought that 1st Olds.

Anyways, I don't remember that late 80's Olds 88 being any better than her 1992 88, other than the newer car looking more conteporary and less boxy. Same comparison for my 1st car, a 1991 Regal 3.8 v6, vs my best friends 1989 Park Avenue. I thought he had the better car, it was a lot better optioned than my spartan Regal, and had more space to boot.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-02-10, 08:00 AM
For the Eighty Eights, I actually prefer the 1986-91's as opposed to the early 1992-94(?), when they initially looked kinda goofy with the early style grille and overly square dashboard. 1989 was a great year because it had the older style grille, in '90 they revised the grille and it didn't have the vertical bars anymore. I was at an account of mine yesterday, and there was an '89 Eighty Eight Royale Brougham there with those button tufted velour seats....my god those things were comfortable, but oddly enough, it didn't have the optional trip computer or automatic climate control.

ga_etc
09-02-10, 05:15 PM
I'm having quite the issue right now. I have found a couple of good looking cars at a good price. Right now the leader of the pack is a 1992 Buick RM with 135k, silver with blue velor interior and dark tinted windows for $1900. The '89 Olds 98 is very clean and in nice shape. It's got 220k for $500. Then there's an '89 Grand Marquis that looks to be exceptionally clean on a lot in Cleveland for $1900 as well. I think I'm going to look at the RM either tonight or tomorrow.

ben.gators
09-02-10, 05:29 PM
I'm having quite the issue right now. I have found a couple of good looking cars at a good price. Right now the leader of the pack is a 1992 Buick RM with 135k, silver with blue velor interior and dark tinted windows for $1900. The '89 Olds 98 is very clean and in nice shape. It's got 220k for $500. Then there's an '89 Grand Marquis that looks to be exceptionally clean on a lot in Cleveland for $1900 as well. I think I'm going to look at the RM either tonight or tomorrow.

Yes, one of my hobbies is searching Craigslist to see the cars listed online, and I always see a lot of nice mid and early 90s American cars for less than 2000$, and to be honest I always prefer to drive one of these cars instead of current clown-car, stupid-looking compact cars.....

Good luck with your shopping and be patient to find the best deal... And by the way, I feel that you prefer to buy cars from dealers instead of owners, as most of the links you sent are from dealers. There is nothing wrong with purchasing a car from private owner, and even you can save money and buy better cars than you can purchase from dealers. But make sure you are buying from the main owner! So always ask for neutralized title. For this price range, dealers are not going to recondition the car or give any warranty, so there will be no difference between buying from owner and buying from dealer, except dealer will charge you for tax, some other fees and last but not the least his own profit.... The other option is looking for wholesale dealers, you can find great deals there too..

drewsdeville
09-02-10, 05:46 PM
The RM and GM might be hard on fuel.

If I had to choose between the two, I'd suggest the GM just because I prefer the panther platform over the b/d body. I think they rode and handled better, even if a little low on power. Besides, the GM's before the '92 redesign are SUPER comfortable and look classier than the RM.

That's a lot of miles on the 98. While the engine might be in good shape, the trans could be a concern. Why is it only $500? Around here, anything that runs goes for nothing lower than $1,000, let alone something that's "very clean and in nice shape".

EDIT: Can't be picky on used vehicles, not that it should be a deciding factor but re-reading that post it occured to me that the silver/blue on that RM sounds like a really goofy color combo

Entertain all of us by bringing a camera with you :)

ga_etc
09-02-10, 06:21 PM
Ben, the RM and Olds 98 are both private party sales. The Grand Marquis is on a lot.

Drew, silver with blue interior was really common on GM cars in the 80's and early 90's. It's not as goofy looking as you might think. There's also supposed to be nothing wrong with the 98.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-02-10, 06:28 PM
I like all the choices. The '89 Grand Marquis because it's classic '80s era Americana at it's best, the Roadmaster because it's a Roadmaster, and that Ninety Eight because it's roomier than the GM or RM, and probably just as quick (not that it matters), way more fuel efficent, and powered by one of the best V6's of all time.

ga_etc
09-02-10, 09:49 PM
The '89 Olds 98
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/austin99etc/car.jpg
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/austin99etc/0902101659c.jpg
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/austin99etc/0902101659b.jpg

The '92 Roadmaster: http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/cto/1933287327.html

The '89 Grand Marquis: http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/ctd/1932560857.html

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-02-10, 10:01 PM
#1- Grand Marquis. The mileage is low, it's a nice color combo, and it's an LS, meaning it's top of the line.
#2- Ninety Eight- cheap cheap cheap, but it looks nice for the mileage
#3- Roadmaster. I don't like those wheels, makes me think he abused it or perhaps modded it, especially how he says it's "fast".

ga_etc
09-02-10, 10:05 PM
He just added the wheels because it had the factory hub caps on it and apparently wasn't too fond of them. However, he still has the original wheels and caps that will go with it.

Stingroo
09-02-10, 10:07 PM
I like the wheels.

Birthday's comin' up and what not. :hide:

ga_etc
09-02-10, 10:15 PM
I can't deconstruct my grandmother's car that isn't even her's yet.

hueterm
09-02-10, 10:27 PM
I wouldn't even consider the 98 among those three. It would come down to the condition of both the GM and the RM. The RM will get around 15 in town and 25 on the hwy....don't know about the mileage on the GM, but it would probably be similar. I don't think 10K miles is enough to worry about. The RM having ABS would put it above the GM for me, and the fact that it's a GM and a Buick -- unless it was way worse shape than the GM.

Neither are bad for $1900.

I do hate those punked out wheels on the RM....

ga_etc
09-02-10, 10:34 PM
I think the wheels look good on it actually. But I figure she would want the stock hub caps put back on. The GM looks nice but they have a rep for weak transmissions and it being on a lot they will want taxes and all that good stuff. I think I have her sold on the RM. I'm going to look at it about lunch time tomorrow.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-02-10, 10:39 PM
Yeah, the transmissions on those Panther platforms aren't as quite as solid as the 4L60-E, and they shift kinda weird! I don't know how to explain it, but with my buddy's Town Cars, it's like it SLAMS into overdrive whenever it goes in, no matter if you're just cruising or going WOT. I think the RM is a solid choice, and a better car overall, but I do like those 87-90 GM's and CV's, before they got that lame looking revised dashboard that hung through until 1994 or 95.

ga_etc
09-02-10, 10:43 PM
Did you get the video I sent you earlier?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-02-10, 10:50 PM
No, didn't receive any video.

hueterm
09-02-10, 10:53 PM
You're going to have to pay the tax when you register it, unless you're going to falsify the title/bill of sale w/the private party.

ga_etc
09-02-10, 10:53 PM
Well crap. I tried. I really like the RM. And it will be easy for me to take care of and keep clean. I think the thing she likes most about it is it has been garage kept all of it's life.

Stingroo
09-02-10, 10:55 PM
Pfft, everyone writes false bills of sale for cars for cheap used cars. :lol: The one for my wagon said $500. Tax was only $32.50

Not going to break the bank.

hueterm
09-02-10, 10:56 PM
Well crap. I tried. I really like the RM. And it will be easy for me to take care of and keep clean. I think the thing she likes most about it is it has been garage kept all of it's life.

So she does want it, or not?

ga_etc
09-02-10, 11:00 PM
Yes, she does. It's big, comfortable, been well taken care of, low miles, solid as a tank, new brakes, muffler, cat. converter, tinted windows... and I talked it up a little because I want it. :D

Stingroo
09-02-10, 11:08 PM
Score. :)

ga_etc
09-02-10, 11:11 PM
Indeed. I just hope I don't drive to Chatt and it's a let down.

RippyPartsDept
09-02-10, 11:14 PM
have you considered A-bodies? like the cutlass cierra?

hueterm
09-02-10, 11:19 PM
OMG, why???

ga_etc
09-02-10, 11:21 PM
Yes, but most around here (when you can find them) are rusted to hell and trashed. I think everyone would be really happy with the RM.

RippyPartsDept
09-02-10, 11:22 PM
lol, our top N* guy has two N* vehicles, an old Chevy truck (83?) and a cutlass cierra - he usually drives the olds to work and back and he has a long trip - that thing must have over 200k on the odo - it just has always seemed like a good 3800 car (and gotta be cheap now to buy and repair)

ga_etc
09-02-10, 11:32 PM
I've never seen a Ciera with a 3800 in it. Most had the 3.3 in it.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-03-10, 07:33 AM
They made a 3800 powered Ciera from like 1987 or 1988 to 1990. It was the optional V6 that came before the 3300.

drewsdeville
09-03-10, 09:42 AM
I never saw a 3800 in the Ciera but I have seen 3.8L. The Cutlass Ciera got the FWD 3.8L before it was a 3800... the original 3.8L and the 3800 are quite different, including the bore spacing (for example, you can't put 3800 heads on a 3.8L) so the 3800 was really a big rediesign. Before 3800, the 3.8 was a knocking, smoking, unreliable turd, at least when compared to GM's other workhorses of the era including the Olds 307.

It wasn't until the REAL 3800 was introduced (1988?) that the engine began building it's reliability reputation. They fixed a lot of the original rotating assembly flaws by adding a balance shaft and I think a different oil pump.

If he had an original 3.8L Ciera, I doubt it would have lasted this long :(

RippyPartsDept
09-03-10, 09:51 AM
yeah, that's it... you learn something everyday

Stingroo
09-03-10, 10:09 AM
Wouldn't the 3800's roots be in '87? I seem to recall the intercooled GN had it?

ga_etc
09-03-10, 11:49 AM
The GN and GNX had 3.8s, but they weren't 3800s. They were still carbed/TBI.

Stingroo
09-03-10, 11:58 AM
They were SFI.

ga_etc
09-03-10, 12:03 PM
The original GN in '78 wasn't. But most people forgot they started that long ago. They didn't become turbo until '83ish.

Stingroo
09-03-10, 12:15 PM
Oh, well, I know the originals weren't, but I was talking about the fact that the 3800 (possibly) debuted in the SFI GN of the mid-eighties. lol

ga_etc
09-03-10, 12:21 PM
Ok. :P

Stingroo
09-03-10, 12:41 PM
So anywho, Roadmaster update?

ga_etc
09-03-10, 01:06 PM
Waiting on him to call me or text me and let me know he's home. I sent him a text earlier when I got out of the shower to see when would be good time. Said it would be about an hour, and that was like an hour and a half ago.

gdwriter
09-03-10, 01:28 PM
The original GN in '78 wasn't. But most people forgot they started that long ago. They didn't become turbo until '83ish.Not to get all automotive trivia on you guys, but it's one of my specialties. :sneaky:

Buick's turbo V6 (http://www.gnregistry.org/turbo.htm) first appeared in 1978, available in the Regal, and LeSabre, both of which were designated Sport Coupe. In 1979, it became available in the new Riviera S-Type and a Turbo Sport Coupe was added to the Century line. All came with a 4-barrel carburetor, most likely a Rochester Quadrajet.

The first Grand National was a limited production Regal that came out in 1982, commemorating the success of the newly aerodynamic Regal on the NASCAR circuit. The T-Type designation replaced Sport Coupe on the Regal in 1983.

In 1984, Buick added sequential fuel injection to the turbo V6 and the menacing black Grand National we know and love was introduced. In its final year, there was a high-end GNX option that had even more performance.

Buick introduced the 3800 for front-drive applications in 1988; I think there were at least two major upgrades before it was discontinued in 2008. For it's longevity and reliability, I've long considered the Buick V6 the B-52 of engines.

ga_etc
09-03-10, 01:35 PM
Thanks for the insight Gary. :thumbsup: Off to inquire about the Buick. He finally called.

hueterm
09-03-10, 01:48 PM
That original '78 LeSabre Turbo is AWESOME! I would want to buy one if I saw it -- if I had room.....

Stingroo
09-03-10, 03:31 PM
Woohoo! Pics!

ga_etc
09-03-10, 06:19 PM
THE ROADMASTER HAS BEEN PURCHASED! And I'm in love. I think I'm going to have to fight my grandmother for it.... Without further ado, PICS!

http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/austin99etc/0903101745.jpg
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/austin99etc/0903101746.jpg
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/austin99etc/0903101746b.jpg
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http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/austin99etc/0903101749a.jpg

hueterm
09-03-10, 06:25 PM
Looks great, Austin -- the interior is spotless. It will go another 100,000 miles easy (well, you might need a new tranny before then...).

ga_etc
09-03-10, 06:39 PM
I don't think the trans will be an issue any time soon. Low throttle shifts are smooth and near seamless. Under more of a load the shifts get much firmer and quick. The running gear is sold as a rock. The interior has VERY little wear, nice and clean. And there's not a spot of rust on the car anywhere. It's an original Tennessee car. He bought the car from an estate sale of the original owners in January. The owner's son changed the oil and gave the car a full tune up. Since he bought it he's put new brakes on the front (rotors and pads), new shocks on the front, new sway bar bushings, put the Weld Racing wheels on it, new Magnaflow high flow cat, new Flowmaster single outlet muffler, and tinted the windows.

hueterm
09-03-10, 06:42 PM
The trans on my '93 went out at 110K, so maybe yours will be fine.

ga_etc
09-03-10, 06:47 PM
I hope so. Current mileage:
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/austin99etc/0903101749.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-03-10, 06:52 PM
VERY nice! Those seats are as awesome as they look, and you got one hell of a deal for the price!

ga_etc
09-03-10, 07:18 PM
Yes they are. It's like cruising around in your favorite easy chair. :D

Playdrv4me
09-03-10, 07:55 PM
Holy CRAP that thing is pristine and its got miniscule miles! What did you end up paying for it?! (I must have missed that).

Jesda
09-03-10, 07:59 PM
Looks barely driven in. The metal roof is a rare find.

ga_etc
09-03-10, 08:59 PM
It's a metal roof because it's not a Limited. Purchase price was $1800 cash. My grandmother put it in my name so I could put my tag from the Camaro on it and added it and mom to my insurance. So technically it's hers, she paid for it, but as far as the state of Georgia is concerned the car legally belongs to me. Everything is already done and the car is legal.

hueterm
09-03-10, 08:59 PM
Not on base models.....Limiteds were the ones w/the vinyl half roofs...

ga_etc
09-03-10, 10:14 PM
I just used the VIN decoder for it, and according to it, it is a Limited. That's odd though because it's a metal roof and had hub caps.

hueterm
09-03-10, 10:31 PM
No way it was a Limited unless it was completely stripped and redone. The badging is wrong, it doesn't have Limited seats, it doesn't have the roof... The Limited seats did not have the vertical stripes, they had 4 way headrests, and had those infernal power pods on the outboard side that always break. SO glad my wagons are NOT Limiteds.

ga_etc
09-03-10, 11:03 PM
I guess it's just in the system wrong then. There's no Limited badging on it so I didn't think it was. I'm glad it doesn't have the leather too. The cloth/velor is so soft and comfortable. Surprisingly, though, it has the factory keyless entry. Know anyone who might be interested in buying a nice set of factory Buick hub caps Mike?

Playdrv4me
09-03-10, 11:24 PM
It's a metal roof because it's not a Limited. Purchase price was $1800 cash. My grandmother put it in my name so I could put my tag from the Camaro on it and added it and mom to my insurance. So technically it's hers, she paid for it, but as far as the state of Georgia is concerned the car legally belongs to me. Everything is already done and the car is legal.

Amazing... just an amazing buy. Well done sir.

Playdrv4me
09-03-10, 11:26 PM
I guess it's just in the system wrong then. There's no Limited badging on it so I didn't think it was. I'm glad it doesn't have the leather too. The cloth/velor is so soft and comfortable. Surprisingly, though, it has the factory keyless entry. Know anyone who might be interested in buying a nice set of factory Buick hub caps Mike?

I was going to say, no leather is a REAL bonus because odds are, by now the leather would have been cracked, ripped or otherwise damaged (most people don't care for their leather properly). That velour interior will last as long as the car.

gdwriter
09-03-10, 11:29 PM
Those seats looks sooooooo comfy. You are going to ditch the aftermarket wheels, right? They don't look right on that car.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-03-10, 11:34 PM
Funny thing, when I bought my Roadmaster, it had those awful black "rally style" wheels and redline tires on it, much like those, but the owner had the original wheel covers and white wall tires as well.

hueterm
09-03-10, 11:43 PM
I guess it's just in the system wrong then. There's no Limited badging on it so I didn't think it was. I'm glad it doesn't have the leather too. The cloth/velor is so soft and comfortable. Surprisingly, though, it has the factory keyless entry. Know anyone who might be interested in buying a nice set of factory Buick hub caps Mike?


Send me some pics -- you can get my email address off of FB.

I'm thinking about some anyway -- I'm going to put snow tires on the RMWs.

hueterm
09-03-10, 11:45 PM
I was going to say, no leather is a REAL bonus because odds are, by now the leather would have been cracked, ripped or otherwise damaged (most people don't care for their leather properly). That velour interior will last as long as the car.


Neither of mine looked tremendously well cared for, and my leather cleans up to look just like new. However, I think the burgundy would hide flaws the best, because when it's conditioned it shines like a Marine's dress uniform boots...

hueterm
09-03-10, 11:46 PM
Those seats looks sooooooo comfy. You are going to ditch the aftermarket wheels, right? They don't look right on that car.


While I agree with you, I think youth is calling and he's going to keep them on...

ga_etc
09-03-10, 11:47 PM
Those seats looks sooooooo comfy. You are going to ditch the aftermarket wheels, right? They don't look right on that car.

Actually my grandmother likes how it looks with the wheels on it, as do I. So I guess they will be staying on it. I told her we could put the others back on it and she protested, LOL. I think they make it look more muscular. And the seats are very nice.

hueterm
09-03-10, 11:55 PM
Since you have the windows tinted, it does definitely help w/the wheels. Keep in mind -- these things are the SUCK in bad weather...so take it easy...

ga_etc
09-04-10, 12:01 AM
I don't plan on driving it hard anyway. Neither does mom. My grandmother doesn't drive. She's 72 and NEVER had a license. So the Buick is perfect as a car to be driven in.

ga_etc
09-04-10, 12:03 AM
Amazing... just an amazing buy. Well done sir.

Gracias. I think I found a good one.

V-Eight
09-04-10, 12:57 AM
I agree about the wheels, they look like they belong on a dragster. Other than that, looks like a good buy. Congrats man.

ga_etc
09-06-10, 08:38 PM
I tried to take a few better pictures this evening of the RM with my digital camera. A few didn't turn out as good as I had hoped.
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/austin99etc/P5300406.jpg
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/austin99etc/0906101956a.jpg
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/austin99etc/P5300408.jpg
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/austin99etc/P5300411.jpg

hueterm
09-06-10, 08:42 PM
Looks great Austin!

ga_etc
09-06-10, 08:46 PM
Thanks Mike. I really wish that first one hadn't turned out so fuzzy. It's okay, but could have been much better.

orconn
09-06-10, 11:17 PM
Very nice pictures Ga.etc ! Don't think I've actuall ever I've ever scene a "Gin Mill" before (I always thought it was a place to drink!). My knowledge of the Deep South is limited to what I've picked up from some of the great Southern writers.

The wheels aren't bad, but I think I might prefer the stock wheels and hub caps.

ga_etc
09-07-10, 12:11 AM
Thanks orconn. I'm not sure if that structure was a really a gin mill or if that was just put on there. That picture was taken at Prater's Mill. I guess I could look it up and see if there was a gin mill on the land. I think Prater's is one of the last water powered grain mills in this part of the country. It's not still operational, but I believe most of the parts are still there.

I don't think I would have chosen those exact wheels for that car, but I think they suite it well enough. The original hub caps are in nice shape and may look good on it, but apparently they clattered a little for some reason and that's why they were replaced. If that's the case, they would drive me crazy listening to them going down the road.

orconn
09-07-10, 12:21 AM
By "Gin Mill" I meant as in cotton gin.

If the original hubcaps were the similuated wire wheel caps they probably did rattle. This was also a problem with the simulated wires that Cadillac used. Also the crest and wreath that Cadillac had on their standard wheel in the seventies also rattled as the emblems became loose as the spring clips that held them in place shifted or became loose with use.

ga_etc
09-07-10, 12:30 AM
They are the wire wheels caps. I think it would be nice to find a set of factory chrome wheels for it, but I dare say they are nearly impossible to find.

RippyPartsDept
09-07-10, 12:30 AM
the wheels on it look pretty cool to me

ga_etc
09-07-10, 12:35 AM
Thanks, I like 'em. Might do the "standard" swap one day and get a set of Impala SS wheels to go on it. I'm in no rush though.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
09-07-10, 06:16 PM
Oh god if I had a Roadmaster I'd be all about going back to the standard wire wheel covers. Everything else either looks tacky or is overdone IMO.

ga_etc
09-07-10, 07:22 PM
I could, just don't want to lol. I like the look of the SS wheels. I think they suit the RM/Caprice/SS/FWB.

Aron9000
09-08-10, 01:37 AM
I'll tell you what would look good on that Roadmaster would be a set of Buick road wheels from a late 70's Electra, with whitewall tires.

hueterm
09-08-10, 12:37 PM
Yes, Buick Rally wheels are AWESOME!

hueterm
09-08-10, 12:39 PM
Remember, if he goes back to the wires, then he's going to have to get WW tires, which is another what $500 ish? Blackwalls and wires look like ass.

That's like a big chunk of what he paid for the car...

hueterm
09-08-10, 12:40 PM
They are the wire wheels caps. I think it would be nice to find a set of factory chrome wheels for it, but I dare say they are nearly impossible to find.


They didn't make chrome wheels for RMs, just locking covers. '91 and '92 had different wires than '93+, BTW...

ga_etc
09-08-10, 02:43 PM
I realized that after making that post. I went back and looked at the picture I saw, that looked like chrome wheels, and realized they were caps. Still think the SS wheels would look good.

hueterm
09-08-10, 07:34 PM
They would look really good on yours w/the blacked out windows.

ga_etc
09-08-10, 07:51 PM
Finally, someone agrees with me lol.

hueterm
09-08-10, 07:55 PM
No, SS wheels are a different animal from the ones on yours now. As I said earlier though, w/the blacked out windows SSs are a great look (w/the Buick center caps, obviously).

Unless you're going to get new tires, I'd just keep what you have on there. Those tires will look terrible w/wire wheel covers -- you have to have WWs.

ga_etc
09-08-10, 09:05 PM
It will remain as it sits for, probably, quite a while. It is mainly for my mom and grandmother to travel in. They like it how it is, so that's how it'll stay. However, if at some point they get something different and I can tinker with the Roadmaster, I will adjust it more to my liking.

ga_etc
09-09-10, 01:35 PM
This is almost exactly how I want "my" Roadmaster to look...:drool:

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q98/pimpin88_photos/Buick%20Roadmaster/P7110029.jpg

Bro-Ham
09-09-10, 02:08 PM
I just picked up a 92 Roadmaster Limited Sedan a month ago. Navy on navy cloth. 238k miles when I got it, now at 242k!! :) They are nice cars! :)

Bro-Ham
09-09-10, 02:10 PM
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Here is a picture of my old tank. :)

ga_etc
09-09-10, 02:23 PM
That's still a good looking car Dave. Did you ever take interior pics?

ben.gators
09-09-10, 03:50 PM
This is almost exactly how I want "my" Roadmaster to look...:drool:


dude, you have an strong sense of ownership!:D

ga_etc
09-09-10, 03:57 PM
The quotes are there for a reason lol. Technically the car is my grandmother's because she paid for it. However, the car is legally in my name, as is the tag and insurance.