: Car Craft 2010 pics!



HAZZARDJOHN
07-20-10, 09:54 PM
http://www.impalassforum.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=246686

^ Since I am too lazy to post the same thing twice here you go!

~HJ

77CDV
07-20-10, 11:07 PM
Those two lifted last-gen FWBs make me sad. :(

Your car and the maize '74 CDV make me happy! :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-20-10, 11:35 PM
Here are the ones I took.

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"They call Alabama the Crimson Tide, call me Deacon Blues"
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Beautiful '66 Toronado blew it's coolant hose.
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Early '70s New Yorker.
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'68 Riviera.
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Tastefully modified '72 Caprice.
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'71 LTD Country Squire, equipped with 2 BARREL 429.
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'69 GT500.
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71 Buick Centurion. Coolest name ever.
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God that Toronado looks nice. Probably Olds's best looking car ever.
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Very, very nice '84 Grand Prix LJ.
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I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-20-10, 11:48 PM
LOL
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Beautiful '70 Boss 302.
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Anyone remember these? '77 Pontiac "Can-AM". Apparently it's a Lemans with a fancy trim package and the Trans Am's HO 400 V8.
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One of the cleanest 5.0 fox bodies I've ever seen. They should all be this nice.
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One of my all time favorite speedometers. 69 GTX. IIRC, all the '69 Plymouth intermediates used this speedometer, and by '70, they were back to normal numbering.
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Mint, restored, numbers matching '70 LS6 Chevelle.
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My friends are obsessed with the '73-77 Monte Carlos. I like them OK, but they're OBSESSED with them.
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'71 Eldorado. One of the few Cadillacs here.
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'69 Charger R/T.
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GORGEOUS '77 K1500 Chevrolet.
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orconn
07-20-10, 11:49 PM
I second the first Toronados as the best looking Olds ever! They were pretty great personal luxury cars too. Really appealed to a lot of people.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-20-10, 11:52 PM
I have an original '66 Toronado brochure in mint condition in my collection. I figure if I can't afford the car, I can atleast afford a brochure! (Even if it was spendy....)

I've got like atleast 60 more pics I can upload. I'll do it tomorrow or something. I'm going to bed now.

Stingroo
07-21-10, 12:25 AM
The lifted FWB pics on the other forum post from HazzardJohn made me cry.

:nono:

Some people really need to be cleansed from the gene pool.

Aron9000
07-21-10, 11:17 PM
Love that 1969 Charger, probably the best looking MOPAR ever:drool:

77CDV
07-21-10, 11:20 PM
^I like the one with the hidden headlights. Was that '67, or did '69 have them, too?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-21-10, 11:31 PM
Chargers had hidden headlights until the mid '70s.

Aron9000
07-21-10, 11:36 PM
^I like the one with the hidden headlights. Was that '67, or did '69 have them, too?

All 66 through 1970 cars except Charger 500's had hidden headlights. In 71-74 they were an option.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-21-10, 11:42 PM
There was a '69 Charger 500 there with an original numbers matching Hemi there too. I didn't snag a picture though.

Destroyer
07-22-10, 10:39 PM
Anyone remember these? '77 Pontiac "Can-AM". Apparently it's a Lemans with a fancy trim package and the Trans Am's HO 400 V8.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs223.snc4/38467_642619041122_199104188_36250211_43802_n.jpg I do. I looked at one once, took it for a test drive. Liked it but found something that better suited me.



My friends are obsessed with the '73-77 Monte Carlos. I like them OK, but they're OBSESSED with them.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs031.ash2/34925_642619105992_199104188_36250217_2781160_n.jp g Obsessed? Really? I can honestly say I never met anyone obsessed with a '73-'77 Monte and you know multiple people with this obsession? Psychiatric help is in order and fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Destroyer
07-22-10, 10:40 PM
There was a '69 Charger 500 there with an original numbers matching Hemi there too. I didn't snag a picture though.
Those old Chargers are straight up SEXY! :alchi:

orconn
07-22-10, 11:26 PM
I agree the late sixties Charger were a high point in ChryCo styling. Mty father in law had a '69 bunrt orang with a black vinyl top. He kept it in beautiful shape only sold a few years back when he could no longer drive.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-23-10, 12:10 AM
Ridiculously nice '75 Coupe deVille.
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'69 Ninety Eight Convertible.
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Couple o' sporty '80s T-birds.
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My buddies' cars.
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'70 Superbee.
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I've never seen one of these before.
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Yenko Camaro.
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Original, numbers matching '68 Hemi Roadrunner. The owner says that with it's color combo, and drivetrain, it's 1/1.
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Really nice Hugger Orange '69 SS396 Camaro.
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Mint '77(?) Caprice Classic.
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77CDV
07-23-10, 01:13 AM
That '75 CDV is really stunning, but I never could get used to the wire discs on that generation Cad.

As to the Ford Fiesta, I had no idea any were still around!

Aron9000
07-23-10, 01:16 AM
I agree the late sixties Charger were a high point in ChryCo styling. Mty father in law had a '69 bunrt orang with a black vinyl top. He kept it in beautiful shape only sold a few years back when he could no longer drive.

Did your uncle happen to be an assassin for the Office of Secret Intelligence back in the late 60's/early 70's???

http://video.adultswim.com/the-venture-bros/car-rage.html

Stingroo
07-23-10, 08:14 AM
Hmm... I like the decal your friend used on his Impala wheels on that Caprice.

That Hugger Orange Camaro is to die for... :drool: Do want.

drewsdeville
07-23-10, 10:43 AM
Wasted pictures of a 90's T-Bird and a '77 Caprice but only two classic Oldsmobiles?
:mad:

HAZZARDJOHN
07-23-10, 03:15 PM
The 87-88 T-bird is a Turbo Coupe. It is a Pretty neat car. I had one when I was 16 and it was a great car for it's time. I am thinking about picking another up for to make a Road course car out of.

~HJ

drewsdeville
07-23-10, 03:36 PM
The 87-88 T-bird is a Turbo Coupe. It is a Pretty neat car. I had one when I was 16 and it was a great car for it's time. I am thinking about picking another up for to make a Road course car out of.

~HJ

It was neat, when the headgaskets weren't leaking. Those things had far worse problems than our Northstars ever will.

Turbo or not, they are still slow and ugly (especially the 90's). The '80's is somewhat tolerable. They were neat because they were different, but they really didn't excel at any one area to make them stand out.

Besides, it's no glorious 3800 powered car... :hide:

orconn
07-23-10, 03:57 PM
I really like the design of the '90's Thunderbirds ... in my opinion one of the better designs of the decade. The Caprice Classic of the late seventies was also one of the better designs of the seventies.

Personaly I have never been into cars that only delivered "straightline performance" if the car was fast in the quarter mile, but ended up in a corn field every time it encountered a corner I wasn't and am not interested. What has always impressed me is a car's total driving dynamics and the finesse with which the car carried out its function.

drewsdeville
07-23-10, 04:03 PM
I really like the design of the '90's Thunderbirds ... in my opinion one of the better designs of the decade. The Caprice Classic of the late seventies was also one of the better designs of the seventies.

Personaly I have never been into cars that only delivered "straightline performance" if the car was fast in the quarter mile, but ended up in a corn field every time it encountered a corner I wasn't and am not interested. What has always impressed me is a car's total driving dynamics and the finesse with which the car carried out its function.

You are defending a 1977 family sedan in the name of driving dynamics? For real? Are you trying to tell me that a 1977 Craprice drove as well has a 1977 Corvette?

The Craprice was never intended nor did it ever excel at driving dynamics. It may gave been good at other things, but driving dynamics it was not.

orconn
07-23-10, 04:19 PM
You are defending a 1977 family sedan in the name of driving dynamics? For real? Are you trying to tell me that a 1977 Craprice drove as well has a 1977 Corvette?

The Craprice was never intended nor did it ever excel at driving dynamics. It may gave been good at other things, but driving dynamics it was not.

I doubt that you have much experience with driving new examples of cars produced during the 1970's. The 1977 GM full sized sedans, when introduced, had far better driving dynamics the their predecessors. By today's standards these cars may not seem like good handlers, but compared with the Chevs to Cadillacs that proceeded them these fullsized cars were a major improvement. Believe it or not, sedans can display superior driving dynamics when compared with other vehicles of their same type. To compare a Corvette with a family sedan is rather ludicrous, whether by me or someone else!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-23-10, 04:35 PM
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I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-23-10, 04:41 PM
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Burnout contest:
Oh no! Is that a.......Caprice?? Can't be!
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My buddy and his '79 Regal.
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This one ended up winning.
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drewsdeville
07-23-10, 04:51 PM
Burnout contest:
Oh no! Is that a.......Caprice?? Can't be!
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Are burnouts impressive? I could do some pretty nice ones in my 1992 Ford Escort. So can my lawnmower if I work teh clutch and shit my weight just right.

I really never understood the point of burnout contests. It's neither a display for the cars nor the drivers capability. Anything can do a burnout. Whats the fun in this? What's so great about this?

Burnout contests are cock extensions for those who's cars don't excel at anything else or who are too afraid to do anything more extreme. It's the last resort to being "cool"

drewsdeville
07-23-10, 05:24 PM
The 1977 GM full sized sedans, when introduced, had far better driving dynamics the their predecessors. By today's standards these cars may not seem like good handlers, but compared with the Chevs to Cadillacs that proceeded them these fullsized cars were a major improvement.

....

V-Eight
07-23-10, 05:28 PM
Are burnouts impressive? I could do some pretty nice ones in my 1992 Ford Escort. So can my lawnmower if I work teh clutch and shit my weight just right.

I really never understood the point of burnout contests. It's neither a display for the cars nor the drivers capability. Anything can do a burnout. Whats the fun in this? What's so great about this?

Burnout contests are cock extensions for those who's cars don't excel at anything else or who are too afraid to do anything more extreme. It's the last resort to being "cool"

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/facepalm134.jpg

gdwriter
07-23-10, 05:54 PM
You are defending a 1977 family sedan in the name of driving dynamics? For real? Are you trying to tell me that a 1977 Craprice drove as well has a 1977 Corvette?If it had the F41 suspension, it probably did.

Get your know-it-all self down to a library and look up some magazines from late 1976 through 1977. Most test drivers found the '77 Caprice to be a revelation. I've been unable to find Motor Trend's Car of the Year issue online, but I remember from reading it at the time, and the Caprice was the runaway winner with its handling highly praised.

I did, however, find a review from Popular Science via Google Books (http://books.google.com/books?id=FgEAAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&lr=#v=onepage&q&f=false) comparing the Caprice to the Ford LTD and Plymouth Fury. Check out page 40, where they describe how the Caprice traveled through the handling course at the fastest speed of any full-size car they'd ever tested. And in an owner's survey in the April issue, handling was their best-liked feature. Maybe by today's standards, even an F41 Caprice might feel squishy, but not when it was new.

I think most of us enjoy seeing all the pictures from classic car shows. Even though that '79 Caprice may not be widely considered a classic like those Chevelles and Cutlasses, it's nice to see a 31-year-old car that's been so well preserved.

You're entitled to your opinions, of course, but you sure manage to be a douche about it.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-23-10, 06:13 PM
That google books thing is NEAT! Do they have all sorts of magazines archived?

gdwriter
07-23-10, 06:16 PM
:bwahaharoll4vu:

Found a quote from Car and Driver, October 1976, on page 172 of Chevrolet: A History from 1911 (http://books.google.com/books?id=zgKacEcinpIC&pg=PA172&dq=77+Chevrolet&hl=en&ei=mBFKTJaNBYi-sQOK2qWSCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false) describing the F41 option as a feature "that'll make you think your Chevy came from the Black Forest instead of Detroit."

hueterm
07-23-10, 09:18 PM
What is the big deal about posting burnout pics? Tool. And when you smartass question Orconn, it makes you look even more so. If you're going to try and bust someone's balls, try to have a little bit of perspective in your corner...

Stingroo
07-23-10, 10:12 PM
^ This.

Also, for the record the B-body sedans held high praise pretty much until they were killed. Case in point, in 1992 the Caprice was Motor Trend's Car of the Year.

But you probably already knew that, cause you know everything.

****ing super troll.

Stingroo
07-23-10, 10:13 PM
Back to the thread though: Chad you hurt me with those Cutlass pictures. I want one. :(

drewsdeville
07-23-10, 11:23 PM
What is the big deal about posting burnout pics? Tool. And when you smartass question Orconn, it makes you look even more so. If you're going to try and bust someone's balls, try to have a little bit of perspective in your corner...

I don't have a problem with burnout pics...post away if you have them. I just think the idea of making a contest out of something that's such a poor display of anything useful or impressive like a burnout is silly.

If you want to toast your tires in a burnout contest and take pictures of it to gawk at it, be my guest. You won't hurt my feelings.

I see burnout contests and laugh. You, or at least Chad, see burnout contests and are somehow impressed. I have perspective, just different than yours.

drewsdeville
07-23-10, 11:37 PM
^ This.

Also, for the record the B-body sedans held high praise pretty much until they were killed. Case in point, in 1992 the Caprice was Motor Trend's Car of the Year.

But you probably already knew that, cause you know everything.

****ing super troll.

Yeah, stupid GM killing the b-body. What were they thinking, right?

If only they kept that glorious platform, GM never would have entered the financial state they are in now and would have dominated the whole world.

V-Eight
07-23-10, 11:39 PM
I have perspective, just different than yours.

And wrong :P

orconn
07-23-10, 11:47 PM
Chad's picture of the early eighties Olds Cutlass Supreme (beautiful condition) highlughts what was the omnipresent outside sales reps car in the 1980's. Fleet sale of these coupes must have been phenomenal. Several friends from college who were outside sales reps had these cars as their company cars. Company supplied cars were very common in the 1980's for marketing and sales personnel. By the end of the eighties the big corporations had gone to monthly car allowances for the purchase of new cars every two years. By the beginning of the nineties the companies were only reimbursing actual mileage at a fixed amount per mile.

drewsdeville
07-23-10, 11:58 PM
And wrong :P

Yeah you are right, give me a chance to correct myself.

I changed my mind. Burnouts are truly impressive and really showcase what automotive enthusiasm is all about. I'm going to go tear up my tires tomorrow just to prove to everyone that I'm hardcore about my car. That'll show 'em, eh?

Better yet, I'm gonna go nuts on my lawnmower tomorrow down my street to show my neighbors that my mower is more badass than theirs.

Pretty awesome stuff. That 8hp Briggs can tear it up like nothing else. RAW HORSEPOWER BABY!

There. Now I fit in here just fine. Lets all get along and talk about how outrageously awesome and superior b-body engineering was in the past and is now.

By the way Stingroo, have you ever paid attention to the cars MT has named car of the year?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Trend_Car_of_the_Year

Not only was the Caprice not 1992's Car of the Year, but take a look at the other years:

'02 Thunderturd? '97 Malibu? '93 Probe? '95 Cirrus? LAUGHABLE!

It's amazing how many of them actually sucked as time went on. ACtually, a few of the cars that MT named car of the year ended up in our own "Most uninteresting cars" thread a week or two back. IF we are using MT as a benchmark, maybe I wasn't so far off putting the Buick Roadmaster on that list.

If you are proud that the Craprice is on that list...man, you have low expectations. The Craprice being on MT's Car of the Year list isn't a very solid case in point when you look at the others chosen.

MrBoffo
07-24-10, 12:19 AM
Are we seriously deluding ourselves into thinking a late-70's family sedan is the pinnacle of performance handling? I don't mind enjoying a car, and that it may handle well for its size, but don't throw out a statement that a suspension package is going to push it into the realm of handling with anywhere near the precision and control of a true performance vehicle.

As for burnouts, seems pretty pointless to me, its just a load of torque being put to waste. A car that hooks that power is impressive. Even though straightline speed isn't my thing either, I prefer a rounded out car, but at least a quick quarter mile is moving, whereas a burnout...is spending money to stand still.

But seriously, a Caprice?

drewsdeville
07-24-10, 12:25 AM
Are we seriously deluding ourselves into thinking a late-70's family sedan is the pinnacle of performance handling? I don't mind enjoying a car, and that it may handle well for its size, but don't throw out a statement that a suspension package is going to push it into the realm of handling with anywhere near the precision and control of a true performance vehicle.


But seriously, a Caprice?

:highfive:

Stingroo
07-24-10, 12:29 AM
It isn't worth it. Don't feed the trolls guys. :lol:

Is there a way to like, not see this douchebag's posts on the forum? Would be pretty nice.

MrBoffo
07-24-10, 12:33 AM
It isn't worth it. Don't feed the trolls guys. :lol:

Is there a way to like, not see this douchebag's posts on the forum? Would be pretty nice.

I'm not really trying to slam anybody liking a car, but claiming the Caprice as a handling wonder? Pontiac Trans Am? Corvette? Camaro? I don't see how a Caprice could possibly have same precision and throttle control swinging out around a corner compared to any of the above? The WS6 Am's were especially known for their great handling, and the Corvette's whole purpose was to be a sports car. What is wrong with being honest that a sports car handles better in performance than a family sedan? Am I going insane?

Stingroo
07-24-10, 12:38 AM
That's not what was said. Go back and read the posts, drew just likes to throw anything in about either a B-body car or a 3800 powered car because he's a super troll. He needs a cape.

Drew was just claiming the Caprice sucked just because it was a Caprice, because he's a troll. Orconn was talking about how they were an improvement over their predecessors when they were new, because he had driven them, and drew has not. He's just trolling, nothing new here.

gdwriter
07-24-10, 12:45 AM
Ultimately, the point is Drew doesn't think the '79 Caprice that was photographed is worth including in this thread. Most others disagree. It was an excellent car at the time and sold like hotcakes. My best friends Dad had one as a company car and it survived all kinds of abuse.

As a classic car owner, I respect survivors and cars like this Caprice that are still in such nice shape decades later. That includes makes and models that I don't particularly care for.

hueterm
07-24-10, 01:23 AM
Yes 'Roo, there is an ignore (tool) function to avoid Ddeville and Boffo.

Oh, and even though they're the same person, you'll have to ignore both separately.

77CDV
07-24-10, 01:49 AM
The interior on that '79 FWB is exactly like the one my aunt used to have, a big puffy cloud of light blue comfyness. Feeling nostalgic now....

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-24-10, 02:24 AM
Because we're not ALL complete shiteating redneck white trash that enjoy a good, but pointless burnout contest, there was an auto-x track setup at the show....


But, that didn't attract near the crowd that the burnout contest did.

Aron9000
07-24-10, 02:32 AM
Hey, I love burnout contests!!! Most of the fun is how the owner of the car just throws caution to the wind and says **** it, we're going to tear shit up tonight. Tires be damned, money be damned, hundreds of hours of work on the car be damned, mechanical carnage be damned, car possibly catching on fire be damned, I've got a crowd to please dammit!!!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-24-10, 02:38 AM
The guys I rode in with have gone to the burnout contest for the last 7 years. They've only seen one motor blow out, and it was a 1989 Chevrolet Suburban K2500 with the 454. Bone stock. It blew a rod, and from what they said, that truck was in real nice shape. Sad to see such a nice, unmolested Suburban do that, but we can only hope it was fixed and not trashed.

The coolest thing I saw at this contest was a '73 Cuda that got his tires to emit a thick cloud of pink smoke, and a guy in a '70 Monte Carlo blew out his left rear tire.

Stingroo
07-24-10, 07:53 AM
Yeah you can buy those tires that have colored smoke. Nitto makes them. When we graduated high school my friend and I bought four of the, two red and two yellow, because our school colors were scarlet and gold. On the last day we both got into his WRX, flew our senior T-shirts and he did AWD donuts in the school parking lot. It was pretty badass. I wish I still had photos of it, but they're on my old, old computer, which is now god knows where in a landfill somewhere.

:(

It was definitely the coolest thing anybody did to end the year though. :thumbsup:

drewsdeville
07-24-10, 10:03 AM
Orconn was talking about how they were an improvement over their predecessors when they were new, because he had driven them, and drew has not. He's just trolling, nothing new here.

All joking and "super trolling" aside, I guess I sort of found that point meaningless. I mean, isn't every new model, in SOME way, an improvement over it's predecessor? Isn't that the point of upgrading?

The 1979 LTD was a large improvement over the 1978 model. That doesn't make it some engineering marvel.

If ANY new car wasn't an improvment over it's predecessor, I'd be worried. This isn't some fabulous phenomenon that made only the Caprice special...

HAZZARDJOHN
07-24-10, 04:10 PM
It was neat, when the headgaskets weren't leaking. Those things had far worse problems than our Northstars ever will.

Turbo or not, they are still slow and ugly (especially the 90's). The '80's is somewhat tolerable. They were neat because they were different, but they really didn't excel at any one area to make them stand out.

Besides, it's no glorious 3800 powered car... :hide:

You are ignorant. The Turbo coupe especially the 1987-88 had no head gasket issues. You are thinking of a Super coupe which is a 3.8 V6 on the MN12 Chassis. The 87 Turbo coupe was the Motor trend Car of the year in '87 (maybe not notable to you, but '87 there were some very nice cars as Detroit was trying to pull itself out of the rut it was in since the early 80's), had 190 HP out of the 2.3 liter turbo (very impressive for 1987) and got 30 MPG. It was also equipped with four wheel disc brakes, an 8.8 Rear end with true trac diff (when 5.0 mustangs still had a 7.5)adjustable ride suspension, intercooler, 16" wheels (something unheard of for the time), excellent sound system (for the time) with built in equalizer, very comfortable and sport oriented seats, Digital climate control, twilight sentinel, auto dimming headlights, Fuel grade switch (go back and forth from a regular to premium tune)and IMO a great look. They had a Top speed of 145 MPH and a 0-60 time around 8.0 Seconds. (not fast by todays standards but at a time when 12 sec. 0-60 times were celebrated it was impressive. So since you obviously have no clue what you are talking about, your opinions mean very little to me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0QT7Pyme6g&feature=related

^ Turbo Coupe doing a Burnout for you too! :p

~HJ

Submariner409
07-24-10, 04:35 PM
Ooopppps.....!!!!!

Submariner409
07-24-10, 04:36 PM
:yeah:

The whole picture post section is truely, abso-friggin-lootely awesome !!! Fun days and crazy nights..............especially boulevard drives. THANKS !!!!

Takes me back to my old flathead days.............but for anyone to categorically diss the cars of yesteryear without hands-on experience is arrogance at its best - there have been pigs and there have been greats, but wrenchers love ALL cars - not just the trailer queens.

Burnouts ????? It's a mindless, fun way to destroy old tires and Car Craft never portrays them any other way. Sort of like in '58 when I won the record for driving around the Topps Big Boy Drive-In 91 times in an evening. It stood for a week..............but Suzie wore her dresses tight :yup:

V-Eight
07-24-10, 05:44 PM
. Burnouts are truly impressive and really showcase what automotive enthusiasm is all about. I'm going to go tear up my tires tomorrow just to prove to everyone that I'm hardcore about my car. That'll show 'em, eh?



What else are you going to do with old tires?

gdwriter
07-24-10, 06:05 PM
The 1979 LTD was a large improvement over the 1978 model. That doesn't make it some engineering marvel.

If ANY new car wasn't an improvment over it's predecessor, I'd be worried. This isn't some fabulous phenomenon that made only the Caprice special...We get it. You hate that Caprice. Enough already. Sheesh. :cookoo:

What made all of the 1977 GM B, C and D bodies special was a huge paradigm shift from the "bigger is better" philosophy that had been going on for 20 years. For the first time in decades, the new models were not bigger and heavier than their predecessors. Instead, they were dramatically smaller and lighter while still retaining the "big car" features people liked.

Ford and Chrysler were forced to play catch up when GM's big gamble — and in the fall of 1976, it was considered a huge gamble — paid off in a big way. The '79 LTD followed the blueprint of the '77 Caprice. It was certainly better than the previous fat pig, but it broke new ground. The Caprice and its GM stablemates already did it.

Besides, you weren't even around when all of these cars came out, so what the hell do you know anyway? Orconn was. I was (yes, I was 11, but I was already a dedicated gearhead and devoured everything I could about cars and my best friend's Dad had one that I rode in frequently). Hell, Craig still owns his '77 Coupe de Ville. We all have first-hand experience with these cars, going back to the late 70s.

You know why I laugh at you (and why you're widely considered this forum's resident douchebag)? You think you know everything and throw out your opinions like they're facts, but you're just an ill-informed loudmouth.

drewsdeville
07-24-10, 06:10 PM
We get it. You hate that Caprice. Enough already. Sheesh. :cookoo:

What made all of the 1977 GM B, C and D bodies special was a huge paradigm shift from the "bigger is better" philosophy that had been going on for 20 years. For the first time in decades, the new models were not bigger and heavier than their predecessors. Instead, they were dramatically smaller and lighter while still retaining the "big car" features people liked.

Ford and Chrysler were forced to play catch up when GM's big gamble — and in the fall of 1976, it was considered a huge gamble — paid off in a big way. The '79 LTD followed the blueprint of the '77 Caprice. It was certainly better than the previous fat pig, but it broke new ground. The Caprice and its GM stablemates already did it.

Besides, you weren't even around when all of these cars came out, so what the hell do you know anyway? Orconn was. I was (yes, I was 11, but I was already a dedicated gearhead and devoured everything I could about cars and my best friend's Dad had one that I rode in frequently). Hell, Craig still owns his '77 Coupe de Ville. We all have first-hand experience with these cars, going back to the late 70s.

You know why I laugh at you (and why you're widely considered this forum's resident douchebag)? You think you know everything and throw out your opinions like they're facts, but you're just an ill-informed loudmouth.

Again, this in bold is not something that was unique to the Caprice. Everything was being downsized in the late '70's/early '80's

Na, I don't hate the Caprice. It did what it was intended to do by GM and did it well. What I resist and "throw opinions about like they are facts" about is this boards praise of the Caprice for it's performance like it's a sports car, something it's not and something it will never compete with. If you want performance, there are far FAR better options than a b-body.

Yeah, the Caprice downsized a whole 2 years before it's competition...that magically gives it a performance image? Na.

Either you guys have no clue about what true performance really is or your expecations of performance are incredibly low. And that's fine by me. You can view performance however you'd like. I'm not trying to convert you. If you want to continue praising 4,500lb sedans and wagons with mediocre suspensions or FWD V6 Buick Century rebadges as being sweet performance cars, be my guest.

If you are all about performance and are Cadillac enthusiasts, why are you doing driving Caprices and fwd Buicks anyway?

I recycle old tires when I'm done with them. Burnouts are a waste of my time. I don't need to be replacing rims, brakes, u joints and transmissions or spend time cleaning melted rubber out of my wheelwells just so I can entertain a few fools in the audience. I'll leave that to you guys.

Stingroo
07-24-10, 06:16 PM
:histeric:

You sir, are a toolbox:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/741/unbrandedthepinktoolbox.png

hueterm
07-24-10, 06:27 PM
Now that Adam is back, I really hope he reads this thread. I'd pop some popcorn for that reply ;-)

gdwriter
07-24-10, 06:30 PM
Na, I don't hate the Caprice. It did what it was intended to do by GM and did it well. What I resist and "throw opinions about like they are facts" about is this boards praise of the Caprice for it's performance like it's a sports car, something it's not and something it will never compete with. If you want performance, there are far FAR better options than a b-body.

Either you guys have no clue about what true performance really is or your expecations of performance are incredibly low. And that's fine by me. You can view performance however you'd like. I'm not trying to convert youYou weren't around in the late 70s. Performance was practically non-existent thanks to smog controls, lower compression ratios, and other regulations like very heavy energy-absorbing bumpers. The Mustang II was a joke. The Z28 was dead (but it at least came back in mid-1977). The Corvette was down to 180 hp in most iterations, with a maximum of 210. About the only "sports" car that still had decent performance was the Trans Am.

The '77 Caprice was not a drag racer, but especially if equipped with a 4-barrel 350, it's acceleration was better than pretty much any other full-size car. Maybe not impressive today, but in the late 70s, a big improvement over the '76 models and its competition. It was more than 600 pounds lighter, so that helped both acceleration and handling. It was not a sports car, and I never said it was, but it's handling with the F41 suspension was highly praised, with even Car & Driver comparing it's handling to contemporary German sedans. I never called it a "performance" car, but it's performance was considered excellent and a significant step forward in 1977.

A '77 Caprice wouldn't outrun or out handle a '77 Trans Am, but it's not like they were cross-shopped. The Corvette was still using a suspension design from the original Sting Ray in 1963, which is why I assert that an F41 Caprice could likely handle as well. They also used the same 350 V8 and since the Corvette was pretty fat by this time, I doubt the difference in weight was all that different.

I'm well aware of what makes a performance car. I'm also well aware of context, something you certainly show no knowledge of. I have put all of my statements about the Caprice in the context of the automotive landscape of 1977, which I know first hand and you don't.

gdwriter
07-24-10, 06:36 PM
Again, this in bold is not something that was unique to the Caprice. Everything was being downsized in the late '70's/early '80'sIt was unique because along with the other GM big cars, it was done first. Nobody knew how the market would respond to downsized big cars. GM took a gamble by doing it first (and well) and won. The company that innovates and does it first usually wins in the marketplace over the copycat. See Boeing 707 vs. Douglas DC-8, Apple iPod vs. Microsoft Zune.


Why do you bother to respond to me? You clearly dislike what I have to say, yet you torture yourself by reading it and feeding me more.Because I think you're an ignorant blowhard and I enjoy blowing your opinions apart. It's fun to watch you constantly burnish your reputation as a douchebag/toolbox/asshat (take your pick).

drewsdeville
07-24-10, 06:40 PM
What I don't understand is 1977 or 2010, who really gives a rip about performance of a fleet slave/people hauler like the Caprice was? If someone really cared about performance, the last place they'd look is the Caprice. The Caprices best characteristics were that it was one of the cheapest large cars to get into. It was cheap utility. I don't know about you, but when I'm hauling my family around, F41 suspension or a 4 barrel carb are near the end of the list when it comes to important features. Practicality sells in this genre, not perfomance. Like you said, F41/4 barrel carb or not, this car wouldn't be winning any races.


If performance was a sought-after characteristic of these types of cars, vehicles like the Marauder and the Impala SS would have made it BIG TIME when they hit the showroom floors. Instead they were only truly recognized by the public after they were already gone.

gdwriter
07-24-10, 06:42 PM
BTW, why do you bother responding to me? Do you honestly think you're going to change my mind. I know I'm not going to change yours, but I'll let you keep digging your hole.

drewsdeville
07-24-10, 06:48 PM
It was unique because along with the other GM big cars, it was done first. Nobody knew how the market would respond to downsized big cars. GM took a gamble by doing it first (and well) and won. The company that innovates and does it first usually wins in the marketplace over the copycat. See Boeing 707 vs. Douglas DC-8, Apple iPod vs. Microsoft Zune.

Because I think you're an ignorant blowhard and I enjoy blowing your opinions apart. It's fun to watch you constantly burnish your reputation as a douchebag/toolbox/asshat (take your pick).

Well, considering the Ford panther (1979) owned the b-body through most of it's existence, as well as outlived it by over a decade because it accumulated such a huge customer base (fleet or civilian), I'm gonna assume that in this instance, the first to innovate still lost.

But I guess, I'll hand it to you, the Caprice won for the two years it had no updated competition. Congrats.

Coming from a pansy who personifies his cars by naming them :histeric:, I'm not sure if I should be taking offense to this or not.

gdwriter
07-24-10, 06:50 PM
What I don't understand is 1977 or 2010, who really gives a rip about performance of a fleet slave/people hauler like the Caprice was? If someone really cared about performance, the last place they'd look is the Caprice. The Caprices best characteristics were that it was one of the cheapest large cars to get into. It was cheap utility. I don't know about you, but when I'm hauling my family around, F41 suspension or a 4 barrel carb are near the end of the list when it comes to important features. Practicality sells in this genre, not perfomance.I made my point earlier, but you clearly don't get it. A very nice example of a '79 Caprice was at a classic car show. Most of us appreciate it a well-preserved survivor that's more than 30 years old. Some of us also appreciate that this was a groundbreaking car in its day. You think it was a waste of pixels (which aren't exactly scarce). Fine. Keep scrolling.

But you've managed to insult everybody else in this thread, made a bunch of obnoxious, ill-informed statements, ignored context and as I've said before, reinforced your status as this forum's resident douchebag.

I've got several friends here (some of whom I've met in person and/or have known for years). Do you? More to the point, will you? Not bloody likely.

Submariner409
07-24-10, 06:51 PM
Go 'way back in time and find some reference to when Art Arfons (jet engine dragsters)(Green Monster ???) stuffed a 1680 hp Allison V-12 aircraft engine into the front of some Oldsmobile pig...............wrenching is fun; anyone can make computer power :sneaky:.

gdwriter
07-24-10, 06:51 PM
Coming from a pansy who personifies his cars by naming them :histeric:, I'm not sure if I should be taking offense to this or not.Yep, you're a douchebag all right.

Stingroo
07-24-10, 06:52 PM
A lot of people name their cars. Most of them are enthusiasts, something you clearly are not. Refer to my post at the beginning of this page.

Submariner409
07-24-10, 06:54 PM
Openly or secretly, EVERY car in CF has a moniker.........

Names? Our STS is "The Red Rocket" (or Karen's term: "Horseless Chariot") and the F150 is "Workhorse".

drewsdeville
07-24-10, 06:56 PM
I've got several friends here (some of whom I've met in person and/or have known for years). Do you? More to the point, will you? Not bloody likely.


Yeah dude, internet rep FTW. I gotta get on the ball and make some friends here.

Will you be my friend? :histeric: Maybe we can meet up on MyFace!!!!

drewsdeville
07-24-10, 06:59 PM
A lot of people name their cars. Most of them are enthusiasts.

Ah, yes, now I see the light. Thanks for justifying this for me.

I always thought I was an enthusiast until you pointed out that I need to name cars to be one.

I'll name the Caprice "LowGear".

There! I'm now an official enthusiast! YAY

And clearly, you are having as much fun as me here. This is good, mutuality is great. Does this make us BOTH "super trolls"?

Rolex
07-24-10, 07:10 PM
I refuse to clean up all the name calling in here. Knock it off or this thread is done.

MrBoffo
07-24-10, 07:25 PM
The other cars in those pictures look pretty sweet

gdwriter
07-24-10, 07:50 PM
Yeah dude, internet rep FTW. I gotta get on the ball and make some friends here.

Will you be my friend? :histeric: Maybe we can meet up on MyFace!!!!No, I won't. Except for Mr. Boffo, I don't think anybody else will, either.

This place is actually a pretty swell community of car enthusiasts, and I'm not the only one with real friends here. Your loss.


I refuse to clean up all the name calling in here. Knock it off or this thread is done.I've made my point, so I don't need to repeat it. I'd hate to see this thread locked over one person.

dkozloski
07-24-10, 07:59 PM
What else are you going to do with old tires?
Use them to "necklace" douchebags and trolls like they do in South Africa.

The ANC wanted a method of killing people, which would terrorize all black opposition into submission. So they invented the infamous “necklace.” They dreamed up the idea of putting a tire around a person’s neck (i.e., a necklace) and filling it with petrol, which would be set alight. The person would thus burn to death. But, it was not as simple as that. The person would often be beaten, stoned, set alight and maybe, in the end stabbed to ensure that they were dead. This is the dreadful terror which Winnie Mandela and the rest of the ANC are so proud of.

Everybody appreciates ingenuity.

orconn
07-24-10, 08:02 PM
^^^ Personaly I prefer "burnouts" or incubators for mosquito larva!

Sevillian273
07-24-10, 08:20 PM
Yet another well-intentioned thread pooped on and headed straight for the locker....

Burnouts are simply a spectacle to be enjoyed just like a monster truck show or a fireworks display. They are ridiculous and impractical but fun to watch, and just like anything else, they can be ill-used used as a penis extension. Anyone who enjoys a burnout show will also likely frown upon some punk in a b-body :zing: laying one tire's-worth of rubber next to him at a stoplight. Its all in the context... And on that note, burnouts on a riding mower are epic and hilarious - as long as its not my mower!

I suspect that college is out of session for the summer and "idle hands are the devil's playground".:lildevil:

Stingroo
07-24-10, 08:38 PM
Two tires in my case.

:hide:

Onto your post though, when I was 11-12 the guy who lived next door to us actually raced lawn mowers. His rig could go like 45mph. It was insane. He also raced snowmobiles, had a late model car, his son raced midgets, and he did demolition derby as a side hobby.

If it ran, he ran it somehow.

Sevillian273
07-24-10, 08:44 PM
Race it, Break it, Fix it, Repeat!!:burn:

drewsdeville
07-24-10, 08:49 PM
Yeah. Not much of that here in Milwaukee but I know one of those guys near the place where I vacation. The amount of effort and seriousness involved in it is astounding. There's guys decking the head for extra compression, machining valve seats for large valves, swapping out rods and boring sleeves for displacement...you name it. The local events aren't even sponsored and there's no way they make money off the event prizes. They don't have much money to begin with yet they are addicted and can't stop.

Even worse up there are the guys involved in tractor pulling (which, in my opinion, in entertainment and impressiveness completely blows away anything we've talked about here. There's no better display of massive horsepower, extreme equipment abuse and ball breaking driving all in one). those guys will put themselves in bankruptcy multiple times before they realize they have an addiction problem.

Stingroo
07-24-10, 08:59 PM
I would have a lot of fun piloting one of those crazy ass tractors though.

I think anyone would. lol The amount of power they generate is INSANE.

Sevillian273
07-24-10, 08:59 PM
The amount of effort and seriousness involved in it is astounding. There's guys decking the head for extra compression, machining valve seats for large valves, swapping out rods and boring sleeves for displacement...you name it. The local events aren't even sponsored and there's no way they make money off the event prizes. They don't have much money to begin with yet they are addicted and can't stop.



That's enthusiasm. And that's what drives enthusiasts to rock out b-bodies, 3800's, wagons, 90's T-birds, and 4.5L 4 door Sevilles:cool2: Throw sense and practicality out the window and have a little fun with your ride I say!

77CDV
07-24-10, 09:33 PM
To paraphrase Mr. Clinton, it all depends on what the definition of "performance" is. For me, a luxury car "performs" if it's RWD, body-on-frame, V8-powered, large, roomy, plush, quiet, and can cruise effortlessly down the interstate at moderate speed. Sadly, very few new cars of any stripe conform to these parameters, which is why I look to the cars of the past for my luxury car fix. Others have differing opinions, and that's their perogative. I drive what I like, and I like what I drive. Others' opinions of my cars or my taste in cars are irrelevant.

That is all.

Submariner409
07-24-10, 10:05 PM
21 miles down Rt.50 East is the Tuckahoe Steam & Gas Society's playground - barns and barns full of every sort of farm machine you can imagine. Every Saturday, all summer and fall - Pulled pork, hot dogs, hamburgers, Budweiser, and monster tractors. Fun afternoons. They actually have drag races between steam-powered 1920's tractors.........Google it.

gdwriter
07-24-10, 10:12 PM
I drive what I like, and I like what I drive. Others' opinions of my cars or my taste in cars are irrelevant.Damn straight. :thumbsup:

hueterm
07-24-10, 10:49 PM
Openly or secretly, EVERY car in CF has a moniker.........

Names? Our STS is "The Red Rocket" (or Karen's term: "Horseless Chariot") and the F150 is "Workhorse".

I secretly call my ETC "Sickly Gold Digging Bitch" -- does that count?

hueterm
07-24-10, 10:56 PM
No, I won't. Except for Mr. Boffo, I don't think anybody else will, either.




I don't care what anyone says, they're the same person.

HAZZARDJOHN
07-25-10, 01:00 AM
Well, glad we got all that worked out. Such a simple thread "Hey I went to a car show, hung out with some great people, here are my pics!" Hi I am drew, I am a miserable man, I feel the need to pee all over everybody's good time!" Next time you have an opinion Drew, keep it to yourself. We Get it, you are miserable and don't like anything. Some of us actually enjoy life and don't need to hear it. Just a free bit of advice.

~HJ

MrBoffo
07-25-10, 03:02 AM
I don't care what anyone says, they're the same person.

Shove it hueterm; and I can speak for myself as to who I can be "friends" with on some "community forums." I'm not sorry that I try to use common sense when you guys go to the opposite extreme to argue against this other guy. He does a good job of poking at certain people when they get overzealous about certain cars or motors, then you guys go off the handle and make it sound like a Caprice or 3800 car is the champion of the world, which really doesn't make any sense on a Caddy forum to begin with. It is nice to see some open arms to non-caddy cars, but it seems to be fairly select.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-25-10, 09:00 AM
He does a good job of poking at certain people when they get overzealous about certain cars or motors, then you guys go off the handle and make it sound like a Caprice or 3800 car is the champion of the world, which really doesn't make any sense on a Caddy forum to begin with. It is nice to see some open arms to non-caddy cars, but it seems to be fairly select.

It's fairly select because Caddy people, atleast the ones in the lounge, by and large like big comfy cars, cars like this are usually equipped with the 3800, or are big body on frame cars like the Caprice, Roadmaster and old Eighty Eights and Ninety Eights, so on and so forth. I don't go onto a Toyota sight and start telling them they all suck for driving around in Corollas, Camrys or what have you. I've got much better, constructive things to do with my time than to troll around on community forums and start trouble.

Submariner409
07-25-10, 09:03 AM
..........."friend" - - - or apologist ?? :sneaky:

(#92)

Brett
07-25-10, 09:30 AM
blah blah blah.

Why are you a member here?

Rolex
07-25-10, 10:02 AM
Ruh roh. I tried to warn you boys/trolls, but now you've flown into radar range of the big man. :hide:

drewsdeville
07-25-10, 11:09 AM
I've got much better, constructive things to do with my time than to troll around on community forums and start trouble.

Considering you became a moderator here and in doing so vowed to devote enough time to babysit a forum from behind the keyboard, which is a huge time commitment, I doubt this.

You seem like you are on here more than anyone else.

No offense to be taken...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-25-10, 11:11 AM
I'm not trolling.

drewsdeville
07-25-10, 11:19 AM
It's fairly select because Caddy people, atleast the ones in the lounge, by and large like big comfy cars, cars like this are usually equipped with the 3800, or are big body on frame cars like the Caprice, Roadmaster and old Eighty Eights and Ninety Eights, so on and so forth. I don't go onto a Toyota sight and start telling them they all suck for driving around in Corollas, Camrys or what have you.

No, I bet they don't the Toyota boards don't talk about their Corollas and Camry's like they are the performance cars to be had, which is what the Caprice and 3800 is talked up to be here. I'm sure the Toyota boards are far more realistic than that.

I'm just trying to inflict some realism and seriousness here. Supercharged or not, the 3800 is far from a true performance motor and the Caprice was never meant to be, and never will be leading Laguna Seca. Period.

The Caprice and other cars mentioned here were good at quite a few things, but performance wasn't one of them yet it's one of the first things that get mentioned.

If you want to talk true performance, Cadillac is delivering right now with the V series cars. Two characteristics that make that valid here: They are Cadillac and they are performance.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-25-10, 03:23 PM
Blah blah blah...

Anyways, I went to a small town car show today, hosted by the local old car club and saw some cool stuff. Here's some pics.

Very nice early '70s Cheyenne.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7191.jpg

A vendor had this. I haven't seen an early '90s Chevy 3500 this clean in a very long time.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7190.jpg

Really nice '77 Town Coupe. White/White/Red interior accents.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7194.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7197.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7195.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7198.jpg

'72 442 Pace Car.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7199.jpg

Cool Studebaker hood ornament.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7200.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7201.jpg

Nice looking Cyclone.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7202.jpg

'72 Impala convertible, in great shape.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7204.jpg

Speaking of big convertibles, here's a nice '70(?) Bonneville. Not sure on the year, as I don't know Pontiacs well, but it said 455 on the front fenders, and they started with those in '70 IIRC.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7205.jpg

Nice '70 300 Convertible, equipped with a 440 4bbl, hurst 4 speed, and a 3.55:1 sure grip rear end.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7209.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7208.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7207.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-25-10, 03:29 PM
Really nice '66 Chevelle SS396.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7211.jpg

'70 Chevelle Concours
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7212.jpg

This was so outrageously insane I had to snap a picture.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7213.jpg

Nice '57 Series Sixty-Two.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7214.jpg

Again, why you'd bring something like this to a show and show it off is beyond me....
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7215.jpg

One of the nicest '66 Impala SS's I've ever seen. Factory 427, bucket seats + console + 4 speed + full instrumentation. Awesome!
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7216.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7220.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7217.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7218.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7219.jpg

'77-79 T-Bird. I guess this is only slightly cooler than '80-'82 that Austin saw at the show in Tennessee. Not my style, but I appreciate that someone kept it so nice.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7221.jpg
Cool hood ornament though!
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7222.jpg

This was labeled as a "2+2". I'm guessing they're talking about the carbs?
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7228.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7226.jpg

Paging Jesda!
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7231.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-25-10, 03:32 PM
REALLY REALLY clean '89-91 Suburban K2500. From Alaska oddly enough.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7232.jpg

Nice '88 Town Car Signature Series with a yellow '78 Eldorado Biarritz in the backround.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7224.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7223.jpg

1958 Packard Hawk, equipped with a factory supercharger. Pretty cool!
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7229.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7230.jpg

hueterm
07-25-10, 03:38 PM
Very nice!!!

gdwriter
07-25-10, 03:39 PM
Nice pics, Chad. I still need to upload the ones I took at the show last weekend. The Cutlass Pace Car is actually a 1970 (Olds also paced the 500 in 1972), and yes, that Bonneville is a 1970. The Catalina 2+2 was kind of Pontiac's version of an Impala SS, but I'm not sure what 2+2 meant. I don't think they all came with dual quads.

hueterm
07-25-10, 03:46 PM
Did it have rear buckets (or something that resembled them)? It looks like the center of the rear seat is a different color.

FWIW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_2%2B2

Submariner409
07-25-10, 03:51 PM
2+2 was 2 people in front, 2 people in back. (Coupe jargon) I think Ford had a Mustang 2+2 also.......hatchback or hardtop/long window coupe ??

4-4-2 was 4bbl, 4 on the floor, dual exhausts.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-25-10, 04:03 PM
No, it had a full floor console & buckets up front, but a full width bench seat in the rear. What year was that Pontiac?

Brett
07-25-10, 04:16 PM
.

Why are you a member here?


I only ask twice.

ga_etc
07-25-10, 04:34 PM
You got some great shots of some really cool cars Chad. That Catalina 2+2 is really sharp. And the Cutlass 442 Pace Convertible is to die for, not to mention the 4 speed Impala with full instrumentation.

Sevillian273
07-25-10, 05:09 PM
Why are you a member here?


I only ask twice.

He's a solid contributor to the tech sections and knows his stuff but probably shouldnt be cruising around in the lounge....:suspense:

gdwriter
07-25-10, 05:21 PM
You got some great shots of some really cool cars Chad. That Catalina 2+2 is really sharp. And the Cutlass 442 Pace Convertible is to die for, not to mention the 4 speed Impala with full instrumentation.You could get an Impala or Caprice with a full gauge package from 1965-69, but they're rare, except for maybe the console mounted gauges in '66 — I see quite a few '66 Chevys on eBay that have them.

1965 has the auxiliary gauges to the left of the speedometer and the tach waaaaay over past the radio:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3455957753_2500343580.jpg

1967 has the best dash set up with big round gauges. This is the standard cluster, but the the gauge package, a tach replaces the big fuel gauge and the other gauges go in the small bezels to replace the warning lights:

http://www.scottlewisonline.com/images/67_impala_red_fastback_3.JPG

1968 has a tach to the left and the other gauges crammed in around the speedometer:

http://impalass427.com/72res/68WHEEL.jpg

1969 has a silly looking horizontal tach:

http://impalass427.com/72res/69tachometer.jpg

I didn't think you could get auxiliary gauges in 1969, but according to the Impala SS427 Web site (http://impalass427.com/index.htm), it was available, but ultra rare, mostly a COPO option:

http://impalass427.com/72res/140_speedo_and_gauges.jpg

Jesda
07-25-10, 05:26 PM
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7231.jpg

OH HI!

Someone tell the poor guy that his reskinned SLK is not a classic or show car yet. :P Looks great though! Looks like he painted the door handle and side vents.

orconn
07-25-10, 05:48 PM
Hey, if the guy paid that much for his boulevardier I say he can do whatever he wants with it! At least with a Mercedes you can be sure that someday, sometime, someplace, someone will classify it as a "Classic."

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-25-10, 07:39 PM
God, that Beretta was awful.

HAZZARDJOHN
07-25-10, 07:51 PM
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7232.jpg

^ Judging by this pic alone, this is a 1981-88. Look at the badge on the tailgate. That was a 73-88 design, after that it was a more modern badge that said Chevrolet in big letters (or Suburban on a GMC) with the trim level in a line below it.

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/7/22/283/276/16773880150.283276391.IM1.04.565x421_A.562x421.jpg
^ 1989-91
http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/7/17/282/694/16716551697.282694490.IM1.05.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

1981 (1973?)-1988

orconn
07-25-10, 07:51 PM
That late '70's white Lincoln coupe was really something! Imagine needing a continental kit for the spare. Guess the poor guy just couldn't get the spare in the trunk when he and his wife went on a trip!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-25-10, 07:53 PM
Oh, interesting about that Suburban John. I said 89-91 because it had the new style front clip on it. That's what I based it off of.

HAZZARDJOHN
07-25-10, 07:55 PM
Oh, interesting about that Suburban John. I said 89-91 because it had the new style front clip on it. That's what I based it off of.

Like I said, I was basing it on that pic alone. I would bet he upgraded to the 89 clip rather than downgrade to the older badge. Just a hunch though.

~HJ

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-25-10, 07:57 PM
If I wasn't so set on keeping classic trucks in great OEM shape, I would have probably done the same thing as well. They looked miles better after they revised the clip in '89.

77CDV
07-25-10, 10:17 PM
The '70 Bonneville and the '69? Buick convertible are really something! The Packardbaker, while interesting, is still....an acquired taste. That last-gen Studebaker is a real rare bird. Nice finds, Chad! :)

drewsdeville
07-25-10, 10:33 PM
'72 442 Pace Car.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/Ellsworth%20Classic%20Car%20Show%20July%2025th%202 010/IMG_7199.jpg

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Though this car appears to be incorrect in a few ways (wheels, badging), this is a '70 W-30 btw, not a '72 ;)

It's one thing to customize your resto to be your own, but it always bothers me when unique pieces like this are either imitated incorrectly or restored incorrectly.

I'm gonna guess that this isn't a real W-30, let alone a real pace car. But it still looks sharp.

HAZZARDJOHN
07-25-10, 10:40 PM
What doesn't bother you? Air? Water? Seriously, Inquiring minds would love to know!

~HJ

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-25-10, 11:14 PM
Toyota Corollas don't bother him. Unless they're not restored properly.

drewsdeville
07-25-10, 11:19 PM
http://biobreak.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/875694-nerd_rage_super.jpg

:rolleyes:

I figure I'll "cooperate" and leave my avatar alone for now as it seems a few of you could benefit from it, including the boards own moderator...:nono:

gdwriter
07-25-10, 11:36 PM
The '70 Bonneville and the '69? Buick convertible are really something!The LeSabre is a '70. I can tell you the year on any Chevrolet from 1955-80, along with most other GM cars, most FoMoCo cars and a good number of Mopars. I'm a veritable font of useless information :rolleyes:

gdwriter
07-25-10, 11:41 PM
It's one thing to customize your resto to be your own, but it always bothers me when unique pieces like this are either imitated incorrectly or restored incorrectly. Dear God, I actually agree with Drew. For a unique model like a Pace Car replica or even a rare one like the W-30, I prefer to see the real thing, restored to original specs. Still like the car, though.

Betty has a few mods to make her better suited for today's driving (wider tires, rear stabilizer bar, modern stereo hidden behind a dealer accessory tissue dispenser and Pertronix electronic ignition), but she looks all stock from the outside, which is what I wanted.

ga_etc
07-26-10, 12:51 AM
Dear God, I actually agree with Drew.

Did you really have to come out and say it?:thepan:

77CDV
07-26-10, 01:05 AM
Even the devil deserves credit when it's due.

gdwriter
07-26-10, 01:05 AM
Did you really have to come out and say it?:thepan:I've managed to agree with Koz, and he pissed me off to such a degree I ignore him now. Besides, it's the truth. And I'm man enough to admit it.

ga_etc
07-26-10, 01:12 AM
I'm not questioning your integrity in the least. It's just the simple fact that I would hate for him to get the impression that anyone around here is easing up on how little he is liked. ;)