: A huge 1970s car for sale. Chad may find it interesting.



Jesda
07-11-10, 01:56 PM
36,000 miles, one owner, for sale at Elco Chevrolet with no price listed.

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG00115-20100710-2026.jpg

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG00116-20100710-2027.jpg

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG00117-20100710-2027.jpg

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG00118-20100710-2027.jpg

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG00119-20100710-2027.jpg

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG00120-20100710-2028.jpg

http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG00121-20100710-2028.jpg



This was nearby:
http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG00123-20100710-2031.jpg
http://www.q45.org/cpg/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG00124-20100710-2031.jpg

ted tcb
07-11-10, 02:23 PM
I looked at one of those Grand Marquis Brougham coupes back in 1975 at our local Ford dealership ... I really wanted my dad to buy it.

Funny, exact same colour, plus, it was the first car I'd ever seen that came with Quadraphonic 8 track sound on board.

Nice find.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-11-10, 07:17 PM
Nice! Almost as cool as a Continental, but not quite. You should replace Ducky with it. :D

Rocket88
07-11-10, 08:46 PM
Looks nice. Always liked those big Marquis. Didnš't drive worth a damn, but they were certainly nice to look at.

orconn
07-11-10, 09:00 PM
As they say "A poor man's Lincoln Towncar." In the used car market why not just buy the real thing!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-11-10, 11:32 PM
So, Jesda, do you just cruise the bargain lots when you're bored?

Bro-Ham
07-12-10, 01:23 AM
I would completely love to own and drive that Marquis Grande Coupe'. :) What a car!

ga_etc
07-12-10, 01:33 AM
I like it. It probably drives exactly like it looks like it would, or worse, but it's still a cool old car I think.

I know where one of these is sitting. Hidden on a old car lot about 20 miles from here. I think it's an '85 Grand Marquis coupe. I strangely like it. Looks just like this with tan cloth interior.
http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/565/421/images/2010/7/7/282/553/16607527065.282553007.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.j pg

Bro-Ham
07-12-10, 01:43 AM
that's a nice looking coupe too... :)

drewsdeville
07-12-10, 02:04 AM
Damn those Riverias are ugly. Outstyled and outclassed by it's internal competition (Eldorado and Toronado), those things didn't have anything going for them. The last gen got even uglier and was dominated in every aspect by the Eldo in my opinion, but at least it was supercharged that time around.

ga_etc
07-12-10, 02:23 AM
that's a nice looking coupe too... :)

It's one of those that would be fun to build the 302 that's in it and turn it into a nice little sleeper. :lildevil:

Frost
07-12-10, 06:38 AM
Anyone got any kleenex? I've just been sick to my pants,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Stingroo
07-12-10, 09:28 AM
Damn those Riverias are ugly. Outstyled and outclassed by it's internal competition (Eldorado and Toronado), those things didn't have anything going for them. The last gen got even uglier and was dominated in every aspect by the Eldo in my opinion, but at least it was supercharged that time around.

I love the last gen Riviera. Such a good looking car. I searched high and low for one when I was car shopping, but kept finding them either beat up or way out of my price range.

hueterm
07-12-10, 09:38 AM
As someone who has owned both -- except for the powertrain (some would disagree), the Bose stereo (again, some would disagree as at least the Riv could be upgraded easily), and the Zebrano wood, the last gen Riv was IMO a far superior automobile in almost every way compared to the Eldo. It was larger, had more interior room, more comfortable seating, much stronger body structure, and in my experience -- much more reliable.

Looks are subjective -- I like both -- probably like the Riv better as it was more unique. The ETC has a tighter suspension, but it also costs $4000 to replace -- so again which is better?

drewsdeville
07-12-10, 11:10 AM
Yeah, like you said, it's all subjective. I just can't get over the Rivs styling, particularly in the rear. Spaceship looking.

I can't speak for the last gen as I never owned any of them. But for the previous gen as pictured, I did always have a soft spot for the other k-body variants, the Trofeo and Eldo. Out of the three, the Riv was the only one that never caught on for me. I never liked it from day one.

http://messengerpuppet.blogharbor.com/_photos/trofeo.sized.jpg

http://www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/1990/Cadillac/16075/1990.cadillac.eldorado.1557-E.jpg

hueterm
07-12-10, 11:58 AM
Oh, no, as far as the looks of the ones you pictured, the Toro wins hands down. Those Eldos were just too small looking and the Riv was too feminine looking (however, it did channel the '79-85 in a more modern way...).

The looks I was talking about were the last gen of Riv and Eldo.

MrBoffo
07-12-10, 03:24 PM
As someone who has owned both -- except for the powertrain (some would disagree), the Bose stereo (again, some would disagree as at least the Riv could be upgraded easily), and the Zebrano wood, the last gen Riv was IMO a far superior automobile in almost every way compared to the Eldo. It was larger, had more interior room, more comfortable seating, much stronger body structure, and in my experience -- much more reliable.

Looks are subjective -- I like both -- probably like the Riv better as it was more unique. The ETC has a tighter suspension, but it also costs $4000 to replace -- so again which is better?

Personally I'd prefer the one that doesn't look ugly as sin. That said, I like the way the Eldo's drive and handle, and the interiors impress me more.

orconn
07-12-10, 03:33 PM
I have tried to like the last generation Riviera, but somehow have never been able to bring myself to like it, despite it's optional supercharger. To be honest rather than voluptuos looking, the Riv's length and curves remind me of a giant turd!

ga_etc
07-12-10, 03:34 PM
The Eldorado should be the more impressive car for the money. I actually like all 3 cars in select generations. I nearly bought a '92 Olds Toronado that I really liked. It was burgundy on burgundy with the full digital dash. I always like the hideaway headlights on the Toro too. But, between the last generations of Riviera and Eldorado, I think the Eldo wins. The Riv is a good looking car, and one that I wouldn't mind owning especially in S/C form, but the Eldorado just has classic lines that are distinctively Cadillac. Most people don't see a well cared for last gen Eldorado and automatically go "that's a '90s car."

drewsdeville
07-12-10, 05:18 PM
It's like they tried too hard to fit into that rounded, bulging jelly bean look of the '90's.

Every single edge is excessively rolled and curved. There's no such thing as a true body line on those cars.

With the massive rounded hood with the narrow/thin grill and widely spaced headlights, it looks like it has Down's Syndrome!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/1999_Buick_Riviera.jpg

Agreeing with the comment above, unlike the last Eldo body style which debuted back in '92 and still fits in, this car screams "I'm from the '90's

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-12-10, 08:54 PM
I like it. It probably drives exactly like it looks like it would, or worse, but it's still a cool old car I think.

The '70s era full size Lincolns drive awful IMO. And I REALLY love the way they look, so I hate to say that. As I've mentioned before, I drove a '77 Town Car before, and it had absolutely zero steering/suspension feel. There was basically no resistance when you turned the wheel either way, even as you hit full lock. You could turn the wheel about a half turn before the car began to change direction. Think of the navigation wheel on the Titanic...how big and vague it is. That's what driving a '70s Lincoln Continental/Town Car is like. I drove a Mark V too, and that was better. I'd imagine any full size '70s era Ford is like that.


As someone who has owned both -- except for the powertrain (some would disagree), the Bose stereo (again, some would disagree as at least the Riv could be upgraded easily), and the Zebrano wood, the last gen Riv was IMO a far superior automobile in almost every way compared to the Eldo. It was larger, had more interior room, more comfortable seating, much stronger body structure, and in my experience -- much more reliable.

Looks are subjective -- I like both -- probably like the Riv better as it was more unique. The ETC has a tighter suspension, but it also costs $4000 to replace -- so again which is better?

Agreed. It's a very tough decision between a mint '99 Riviera and a mint '99 ETC. I like the Riv's motor more, and it's got better seats and a roomier interior, and a stiffer frame, more upgrade potential, but on the other hand, the Eldorado is the better looker, especially in black, has a nicer looking interior with richer materials and I guess I like the fact it's got a V8, even if the Supercharged 3.8 is so easily upgradeable and easier to live with. Like someone else said, the ETC is a timeless car, especially after the '96 restyle, and the Riviera is very easily identifiable as a child of the mid '90s "rounder is better" school of thought, and the same goes for the Aurora.


Yeah, like you said, it's all subjective. I just can't get over the Rivs styling, particularly in the rear. Spaceship looking.

I can't speak for the last gen as I never owned any of them. But for the previous gen as pictured, I did always have a soft spot for the other k-body variants, the Trofeo and Eldo. Out of the three, the Riv was the only one that never caught on for me. I never liked it from day one.

http://messengerpuppet.blogharbor.com/_photos/trofeo.sized.jpg

http://www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/1990/Cadillac/16075/1990.cadillac.eldorado.1557-E.jpg

I love the '90-92 Toronado, especially the Trofeo. Such a slick looking car, too bad the interior was monotone and never looked as rich or as elegant as the Eldorado's or Rivieras. There was no wood tone trim or even another color in it...it was all monotone. Kinda dull. I always thought the 86-93 Riviera looked really feminine and weak too, it was kinda like they took an '85 Riviera, shrank it and then put it under a heat lamp. The '86-91 Eldorados never really did anything for me, aside from the ETC, and even those were WAY outclassed by the 92+


It's like they tried too hard to fit into that rounded, bulging jelly bean look of the '90's.

Every single edge is excessively rolled and curved. There's no such thing as a true body line on those cars.

With the massive rounded hood with the narrow/thin grill and widely spaced headlights, it looks like it has Down's Syndrome!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/1999_Buick_Riviera.jpg

Agreeing with the comment above, unlike the last Eldo body style which debuted back in '92 and still fits in, this car screams "I'm from the '90's

The Riviera and Sable/Taurus are probably the most rounded cars produced by the US in the '90s. The Riviera looks FAR better, but yeah, people will always be easily able to tell those are products of the mid '90s.

Bro-Ham
07-12-10, 09:41 PM
I'll take a 1979-85 Eldo, Toro, or Riv ANY DAY over all these little cars shown above. :)

Stingroo
07-12-10, 09:44 PM
I love the interior of the mid 90's Riviera. I could do without some of the roundness, and I definitely think Silver is the worst color for them. It wears dark colors well though. I'd enjoy a black one.

ga_etc
07-12-10, 11:38 PM
I'll take a 1979-85 Eldo, Toro, or Riv ANY DAY over all these little cars shown above. :)

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I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-12-10, 11:39 PM
I love the interior of the mid 90's Riviera.

I think the interior design is nice, and it's kind of a throwback with the deeply set round gauges, but like so many other GM products from that era, it's a sea of monotone colors and it needs some wood trim. I've seen Rivieras with various aftermarket wood dashboards, and it never comes out right.



I'll take a 1979-85 Eldo, Toro, or Riv ANY DAY over all these little cars shown above. :)

Agreed. Aside from the fact it had the 4.9L V8, the 1991 Eldorado had nothing over the 79-85's. And I'd still take a 79-85 Riviera or Toronado over any of the 86-91's.

ga_etc
07-12-10, 11:46 PM
I think the interior design is nice, and it's kind of a throwback with the deeply set round gauges, but like so many other GM products from that era, it's a sea of monotone colors and it needs some wood trim. I've seen Rivieras with various aftermarket wood dashboards, and it never comes out right.

I think it was a very rare option, but I think you could order the last gen Riviera with a wood grain dash.

Bro-Ham
07-13-10, 01:06 AM
ga etc, ahhh an old school Riv/Toro/Eldo - now that's more like it! :) Even sexier: 80-84 Park Avenue Coupe, 80-84 98 Regency Coupe isn't bad either. If Chad made me buy a funny little car I wouldn't half mind an 85-87 98 Regency Coupe, especially a Grande'. Coolest - 85 Regency coupe with the 4.3 diesel. Keep on truckin'! :)

drewsdeville
07-13-10, 01:11 AM
ga, ahhh an old school Riv/Toro/Eldo - now that's more like it! :) Even sexier: 80-84 Park Avenue Coupe, 80-84 98 Regency Coupe isn't bad either. If Chad made me buy a funny little car I wouldn't half mind an 85-87 98 Regency Coupe, especially a Grande'. Coolest - 85 Regency coupe with the 4.3 diesel. Keep on truckin'! :)

YES.

I can't stand the Buick b-bodies of any age, but I thought the Olds variants were fantastic. I preferred them to any of their competition from GM itself (including Cadillac), Ford, or Chrysler. I think they are some of the classiest styled cars to come out of the '80's.

The first car I ever drove was a 1984 Olds Delta 88 with the 307, some rust, and well over 200,000 miles, maybe around 220,000 or so.

Just like this:
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2963/3061/32406530001_large.jpg

A neighbor of mine has had an '84 coupe, just like the pictured one, in a dark red ever since I can remember. It's been garaged without plates for the same length of time.

I want it.

I've been meaning to snap a picture or two for the big-body pictures thread in the RWD forum, as he actually has it outside quite a bit during the nice weather.

gdwriter
07-13-10, 01:14 AM
I love the 1979-85 Riviera; a friend in college had one that I drove on several occasions. I still prefer the first- and second-generation Rivieras, but those were some of the most desirable personal luxury cars of the early 80s.

ga_etc
07-13-10, 03:16 AM
ga etc, ahhh an old school Riv/Toro/Eldo - now that's more like it! :) Even sexier: 80-84 Park Avenue Coupe, 80-84 98 Regency Coupe isn't bad either. If Chad made me buy a funny little car I wouldn't half mind an 85-87 98 Regency Coupe, especially a Grande'. Coolest - 85 Regency coupe with the 4.3 diesel. Keep on truckin'! :)

This car is sitting about half way between my house and Cleveland, Tn. I don't know exactly what year it is, but I know it's an early '80s. I'm thinking '83-'84 Buick Park Avenue. I have no idea what they want for it, but I would love to have it.

http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/austin99etc/0512101705a.jpg

Aron9000
07-13-10, 04:11 AM
I actually prefer the mid 90's Riveria over the Eldorado. Style wise and interior quality, I got to give the edge to the Eldorado, but in every other conceivable way the Riveria is a better car IMO. The Riveria is a much cheaper to own, more durable, better designed machine IMO. And I really love that sweeping dashboard with the inset gauges.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-13-10, 08:48 AM
This car is sitting about half way between my house and Cleveland, Tn. I don't know exactly what year it is, but I know it's an early '80s. I'm thinking '83-'84 Buick Park Avenue. I have no idea what they want for it, but I would love to have it.

http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv220/austin99etc/0512101705a.jpg

I keep seeing this MINT condition early '80s Electra rolling around Rochester. It's sort of a cream color with matching interior and wire spoke wheels like the one pictured. The paint is in fantastic condition and there isn't a speck of rust on the entire thing. I'd like to snap a picture of it, but I'm always driving when I see it. I saw a real nice white one yesterday parked at a repair shop in Albert Lea too, but it would have looked funny if I parked my van there, walked out and snapped a pic with my iPhone, and then drove off.

The Ninety Eights from that era are nice too, but they're boxier and not as cool looking to me. I like how the Electra doesn't have rear wheels skirts and it's interior looks more inviting to me.


ga etc, ahhh an old school Riv/Toro/Eldo - now that's more like it! :) Even sexier: 80-84 Park Avenue Coupe, 80-84 98 Regency Coupe isn't bad either. If Chad made me buy a funny little car I wouldn't half mind an 85-87 98 Regency Coupe, especially a Grande'. Coolest - 85 Regency coupe with the 4.3 diesel. Keep on truckin'! :)

Funny you mention the Grande Coupes. When I was selling my '92 SDV, I found a real nice '87 Ninety Eight Grande Coupe for sale in my area, and I called the guy on it to go look at it, but it sold before I could get out there.

Bro-Ham
07-13-10, 10:13 AM
Chad, The Grande' was a very rare option on the 98. Avalable in 1986 and 1987. The 98 Touring Sedan replaced it when Olds went Euro and sent themselves down the drain. I seem to recall that you like the interior of the 85 Buick LeSabre Collector's Edition? Is that you? The interior in that car is the same as the 81-84 Park Avenue except the 85 Lesabre didn't have the more premium Park Avenue door panels, just a carryover 84 LeSabre door panel. I'd rather have the classic C-car 84 Park Avenue than the smaller LeSabre. Bigger is better. :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-13-10, 07:28 PM
Yes, the '85 LeSabre Collector's Edition is very cool. Did Olds offer anything like that on the Eighty Eight? I knew I recognized those seats from somewhere, but I couldn't put my finger on it. :D

noahsdad
07-13-10, 10:02 PM
Chad, the '87-89 Touring Sedan is the ultimate c-body Olds. They were way overpriced in the day, so not many were sold, but they are slick. Big wide buckets, console, full analog gauges, Fe3 suspension. Not fast by any stretch, but a nice combination of lux and sport.
I worked at an FLM dealer when that big Marquis that started this thread was new. Talk about a butter soft ride. That big 460 was sadly detuned to about 200hp, but smooth as Kessler whiskey. The one in the pic had the cheap saddle naugahyde seats, but you could order really cushy leather. Took a black/black '78 on a dealer trade once, and brought back a Bill Blass Mark V. Two hundred fifty miles of full boat American luxury, that was.

Bro-Ham
07-13-10, 10:41 PM
84 Park Avenue was the last year of the RWD Buick C-body. 85 LeSabre Collector's Edition took the 84 Park Avenue seats but not the PA door panels - the CE door panels were the same as the 84 LeSabre.

84 98 Regency was the last year of the RWD Olds C-body. In mid year 1984 the Olds Delta 88 Royale Brougham LS was introduced with the front end, rear back up lights, and grille from the just discontinued Olds 98. The Delta 88 RB LS was also made in 1985. The 84-85 Delta 88 RB LS used the 84 Olds 98 Regency Brougham seats, but, like the 85 LeSabre Collector's Edition, the Delta 88 LS used the old style Delta 88 door panels.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-14-10, 12:33 AM
Ok, so the 1984-85 Delta Eighty Eight Royale Brougham LS = 1985 Lesabre Limited Collector's Series?

gdwriter
07-14-10, 02:20 AM
Ok, so the 1984-85 Delta Eighty Eight Royale Brougham LS = 1985 Lesabre Limited Collector's Series?Yes.

Then the seats for Olds Delta 88 Royale Brougham ended up in the '86 Caprice Classic Brougham.

http://www.gdwriter.com/11.jpg

http://www.gdwriter.com/3.jpg

Bro-Ham
07-14-10, 02:39 AM
gdwriter, those seats came out in 1979 for the Delta 88 Royale Brougham and were used through 85 on the Royale Brougham, also Caprice Classic Brougham as you noted. The 88 Royale Brougham seats were also used in the 1983-84 Pontiac Parisienne Brougham at the same time they were used in the Olds.

Bro-Ham
07-14-10, 02:42 AM
Ok, so the 1984-85 Delta Eighty Eight Royale Brougham LS = 1985 Lesabre Limited Collector's Series?

Yes, GM used those fancy RWD C-body seats from the Park Ave & 98 an extra year and a half in the b-bodies LeSabre CE and D88RBLS. I would rather have the seats in their natural habitats in the 1984 C-cars where you get the total package. :)

ga_etc
07-14-10, 03:13 AM
Pontiac Parisienne

Now there's a car you don't hear much about anymore.

gdwriter
07-14-10, 03:32 AM
I had forgotten about the Parisienne, but yes, I do remember how they had the same seats as the Delta 88.

Aron9000
07-14-10, 03:46 AM
I hate to say this, but for 82-84, the Park Avenue and Olds 98 were the better cars over the Cadillac Deville/Fleetwood because of that terrible 4100 v8. If you checked off every box, the interiors were just as well appointed as the Cadillacs IMO. The 307 in the Buick and Olds wouldn't set any speed records, but they were faster than the Cadillac, way more reliable, and ran forever.

Jesda
07-14-10, 07:07 AM
I actually prefer the mid 90's Riveria over the Eldorado. Style wise and interior quality, I got to give the edge to the Eldorado, but in every other conceivable way the Riveria is a better car IMO. The Riveria is a much cheaper to own, more durable, better designed machine IMO. And I really love that sweeping dashboard with the inset gauges.

ConsumerGuide reviewed both and said they preferred the Riviera for its ride, economy, and power.

I'd take a 4.9L Eldorado over a Supercharged Riviera, but I'd take a Supercharged Riviera over a 90s Northstar Eldorado if all other considerations are equal.

The styling is definitely dated, but everything I drive these days looks like it came out of a particular era anyway. The back is the best angle:
http://www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/roadtest/98.buick.riviera/98Buick.Riviera.rear3_4.jpg
Its a big fat whale, but a distinctive one.

Aron9000
07-14-10, 07:18 AM
The styling is definitely dated, but everything I drive these days looks like it came out of a particular era anyway.

Give it another 5-10 years and the jellybean styling will be back in vogue. Just look at my Brougham, 10-15 years ago it looked very dated, frumpy, old foggie transportation, just like any old, outmoded used car. Now days all the old people have died and nobody drives boxy, overwrought chrome laden land yatchs. Everybody loves it.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-14-10, 08:20 AM
Now there's a car you don't hear much about anymore.

Yeah, and they were quite nice back in the day. Maybe not as nice as a LeSabre Limited, but a few steps above a Caprice Classic. Take a gander at this '81 Bonneville Brougham. The seats look to die for. The Bonneville Brougham name went to the smaller g-body Pontiac in 82, making this car the Parisienne in '83-86.

http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/pontiac/bilder/80p_18.jpg


I hate to say this, but for 82-84, the Park Avenue and Olds 98 were the better cars over the Cadillac Deville/Fleetwood because of that terrible 4100 v8. If you checked off every box, the interiors were just as well appointed as the Cadillacs IMO. The 307 in the Buick and Olds wouldn't set any speed records, but they were faster than the Cadillac, way more reliable, and ran forever.

I'd agree 100% with that statement, especially with the Electra Park Avenue. :drool:


Yes.

Then the seats for Olds Delta 88 Royale Brougham ended up in the '86 Caprice Classic Brougham.

http://www.gdwriter.com/11.jpg

http://www.gdwriter.com/3.jpg

Correct, but those seats only lasted one year in the Caprice Classic Brougham. In '87, they went to these seats, and kept them through '90, in both the Caprice Classic Brougham and Caprice Classic Brougham LS.

http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/chevy/87capr/bilder/7.jpg

Bro-Ham
07-14-10, 09:24 AM
No Pontiac full size in 1982, only the "model G" Bonneville which was the same as the Lemans from the year before. When Parisienne came out in the US market in 1983 it was a Caprice with different taillight lenses, lower 2-tone paint, a Pontiac steering wheel, and the Parisienne Brougham had the Delta 88 Royale Brougham interior. In 1985 the old 80-81 Bonneville body came back for the Parisienne, but if you compare the cars the 85-86 Parisienne still uses a Caprice front end but with a Pontiac styled grille insert, and the old Bonneville seats from 80-81 (as shown above) came back plus the dashboard. I prefer the 80-81 Bonneville Brougham if I had a choice between that and Parisienne.

ga_etc
07-14-10, 07:00 PM
Those are good looking seats for the Caprice. I have friend that has a car lot and he has a white on burgundy '87ish Caprice. I was surprised how small that car is inside. It's not a cracker box or anything, but I still expected there to be a little more room than there was.

drewsdeville
07-14-10, 07:06 PM
Those are good looking seats for the Caprice. I have friend that has a car lot and he has a white on burgundy '87ish Caprice. I was surprised how small that car is inside. It's not a cracker box or anything, but I still expected there to be a little more room than there was.

Yeah, a point I tried to make a few weeks ago. Most people don't realize how small the interiors were on those big old boats. Everyone just attributes "huge" to them and assumes large interior when in fact they have smaller interiors than a typical midsize of today.

ga_etc
07-14-10, 07:43 PM
The square Caprice up to '92 was a little down on interior space, I think. But when the redesign came in '93 they had a ton of interior room and much more livable by today's standards.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-14-10, 08:53 PM
The thought of maximum interior space for the exterior size didn't really come through until the mid '80s when the front wheel drive craze started.

Aron9000
07-14-10, 09:10 PM
My 1991 Brougham has acres of space inside IMO. But it is a bigger car than a Caprice. Still doesn't feel as spacious width wise as the old 60's/70's cars, sitting three across in the front really isn't a good idea.

Bro-Ham
07-14-10, 11:10 PM
The square Caprice up to '92 was a little down on interior space, I think. But when the redesign came in '93 they had a ton of interior room and much more livable by today's standards.

Last year of the square Caprice was 1990. The 1991-96 Caprice was the same car inside as the old one - just bubbliscious body work over the same old 77-90 Caprice underpinnings. The 17 mile long dash was the result of the dinosaur underpinnings not lining up with the raked windshield. :)

hueterm
07-14-10, 11:23 PM
The square Caprice up to '92 was a little down on interior space, I think. But when the redesign came in '93 they had a ton of interior room and much more livable by today's standards.


Roadmaster front seats are for me, the minimum acceptable amount of front seat legroom, when they are all the way back. The rear seats are for either cargo (what I use them for), an animal, or people (upright animals) you don't really give an F if they're comfortable or not. Or short people/children who won't know the difference.

What makes the RM (especially wagon) ideal for me is the amount of crap I have to carry around, plus the dog and his crate -- and most of all, the highway road trip eating comfort level of the front seats. Plus the relatively good gas mileage, lots of power, and not crazy expensive to fix.

Overall, the passenger compartment is a terrible use of space. There is about 2' between the radiator and the bumper. Just 1' of that taken out and split between the front and rear seats would have made it the pinnacle of comfort....

FWB rectified this by adding an extra several inches to the rear seat room and making the car even longer.

The Concours is MUCH MUCH better overall in this regard.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-14-10, 11:31 PM
FWB rectified this by adding an extra several inches to the rear seat room and making the car even longer.

The Concours is MUCH MUCH better overall in this regard.

I remember that about going from my '95 RML to my '92 SDV. There was SO much more rear seat legroom. I couldn't believe how much of a difference there was, but with the lack of a driving rear axle and the lack of a full frame, it made sense. I remember the rear seat cushion in the SDV was much closer to the floor and much more horizontal than the one in the RML was. When I looked at that '96 FWB last summer, it was one of the few cars I've seen that had actually more rear seat legroom than my SDV and my S320.

77CDV
07-15-10, 12:15 AM
My major question about the Merc that started this whole thread is why it's wearing Chrysler rims.

hueterm
07-15-10, 12:19 AM
Chad, was it you that posted that pic of the B-Body Bonnie w/the floor shifter? That so rocked....

Bro-Ham
07-15-10, 12:26 AM
My major question about the Merc that started this whole thread is why it's wearing Chrysler rims.

Craig, Chrysler rims? They are indeed genuine Mercury:

http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/mercury/78mq/bilder/6.jpg

Here are period Chrysler rims:

http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/mopar/78new_5.html

77CDV
07-15-10, 12:35 AM
They look similar to the one's Chrysler offered as an option on the New Yorker of the period, but now that I look again, the Chrysler wheels don't have the red centers.

Aron9000
07-15-10, 12:40 AM
I love that Chrysler brochure, especially the big chrome POWER part of it, so 70's.

77CDV
07-15-10, 12:42 AM
Mohr khrom=mohr powr!

hueterm
07-15-10, 01:06 AM
Craig, Chrysler rims? They are indeed genuine Mercury:

http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/mercury/78mq/bilder/6.jpg

Here are period Chrysler rims:

http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/mopar/78new_5.html


ROFL -- look at those 10' long fender mounted mirrors in that Mopar ad. Those would take out a school bus!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-15-10, 01:07 AM
I love that Chrysler brochure, especially the big chrome POWER part of it, so 70's.

My 1979 New Yorker/Fifth Avenue brochure has the same text in it.
http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/mopar/bilder/79yorker_7.jpg


Chad, was it you that posted that pic of the B-Body Bonnie w/the floor shifter? That so rocked....

Yep!
http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/pontiac/bilder/80p_19.jpg

hueterm
07-15-10, 01:13 AM
I thought they were burgundy and not the sport bucket, but a more bench looking type of seat. These look good too, though.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-15-10, 01:17 AM
That's the picture I have in my '80 Pontiac full line brochure.

Bro-Ham
07-15-10, 01:29 AM
Find a 79 Pontiac brochure and you can see a picture of those bucket seats - - in CRUSHED VELOUR! :) Sooooo classic late 70's! :)

Bro-Ham
07-15-10, 01:30 AM
Here...look: http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/pontiac/79pontiac/10.html

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-15-10, 01:32 AM
And that's one of the many reasons I love America. We built stuff like that.

Bro-Ham
07-15-10, 01:32 AM
scroll to the right to see them in the 1981 Pontiac brochure: http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/pontiac/81p_15.html

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-15-10, 01:33 AM
I got to sit in an '83 LeSabre Limited today at an account of mine today. MY GOD was that velour soft. :cloud9:

hueterm
07-15-10, 01:48 AM
Here...look: http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/pontiac/79pontiac/10.html


That Bonnie kicks ASS! Black/tan, buckets, sunroof. And I love the angled C pillars!

hueterm
07-15-10, 01:49 AM
scroll to the right to see them in the 1981 Pontiac brochure: http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/pontiac/81p_15.html


Yep, that's it. Still like the older body style better...

Bro-Ham
07-15-10, 01:51 AM
And that's one of the many reasons I love America. We built stuff like that.

That's why I drive my 1979 Cadillac Sedan deVille d'Elegance every day. It's a reminder of American greatness. I refuse to lower myself to driving something I don't want to drive for either political correctness or practicality. :)

Bro-Ham
07-15-10, 01:58 AM
That Bonnie kicks ASS! Black/tan, buckets, sunroof. And I love the angled C pillars!

The Elvis song: "memories...sweetened through the ages just like wine...." A semi-nearby Pontiac dealership to where I grew up, Jim Christy Pontiac in White Bear Lake (long gone), had that exact 79 black/tan bucket/Trans Am alloys/sunroof car on their showfloor brand new back in 79 and I thought it was soooo HOT. :)

ga_etc
07-15-10, 02:07 AM
That really is a sharp car.

hueterm
07-15-10, 02:16 AM
Yep...totally in love...

ga_etc
07-15-10, 03:12 AM
http://www.vintagedreamcars.com/1965%20Bonneville%20Ebay%20%2821%29.JPG

As far as classic Bonnevilles go, I want that one. A 1965 Pontiac Bonneville sedan. Almost identical to the one Brett Buttler drives in the opening credits for Grace Under Fire. I've always liked that car, and it took me a few minutes of looking on the internet to figure out that it was specifically a '65.

gdwriter
07-15-10, 03:16 AM
I much prefer the 1977-79 GM B, C and D bodies compared to the 1980+ versions. Never was a big fan of the almost completely vertical C pillar on the 80s versions, plus the earlier ones have better engines (Chevy 350, Cadillac 425, etc.) I would definitely enjoy a bucket-seat '79 Bonneville to go along with an F41 Impala coupe and a Fleetwood or DeVille d'Elegance.

gdwriter
07-15-10, 03:24 AM
As far as classic Bonnevilles go, I want that one. A 1965 Pontiac Bonneville sedan. Almost identical to the one Brett Buttler drives in the opening credits for Grace Under Fire. I've always liked that car, and it took me a few minutes of looking on the internet to figure out that it was specifically a '65.Love the car; hate the wheels. It needs 8-lugs (or the spinners like the Grace Under Fire car). Four-door hardtops from this era have such nice proportions.

Fast-forward to 2:45 to see the car in the opening credits:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1VezwW_0WY&

ga_etc
07-15-10, 03:29 AM
Love the show and the car.

Aron9000
07-15-10, 02:53 PM
http://www.vintagedreamcars.com/1965%20Bonneville%20Ebay%20%2821%29.JPG

As far as classic Bonnevilles go, I want that one. A 1965 Pontiac Bonneville sedan. Almost identical to the one Brett Buttler drives in the opening credits for Grace Under Fire. I've always liked that car, and it took me a few minutes of looking on the internet to figure out that it was specifically a '65.

Now that's what I'm talking about when it comes to a full size Pontiac, sporty, not a lot of chrome, more youthful and different than a Buick or Olds.

I never was a fan of the 77+ full size Poncho, it had nothing distinctive to offer. Those brochure pics sure did look nice, but Buick, Olds, and Cadillac had the pillow topped, velour lined, fake wood trim, marshmellow ride thing very well covered.

ga_etc
07-15-10, 05:29 PM
I agree Gary. The wheels are a little too much for that car, but they don't look horrible. The rest of the pictures can be found here: http://www.vintagedreamcars.com/1965%20Bonneville.html:drool:

noahsdad
07-15-10, 05:44 PM
The thing that was most impressive about those mid/late 60s Bonnevilles and Catalinas was how unbelievably quiet they were. A friend in High School had a '67 Bonnie convertible, white over black. Even with the top up, when most 60s converts squeaked and rattled like crazy, that car just glided silently down the road. Sweet.