: The epic journey around USA



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N*Caddy
07-07-10, 10:52 PM
On July 24, 5AM I am leaving Toronto for a 3 weeks round trip around USA. It will be a 10016 miles drive in 21 days (435 miles per day every day).
Here are the points to reach (day by day):
1. Toronto>QEW>403>401 >Detroit>I94>I90>Chicago
2. I80>Omaha>I29>Sioux Falls>I90>Rapid City
3. Mount Rushmore>US85>US20>I25>Denver
4. I70>US6>I15>Salt Lake City
5. I15>US6>US191>US163>Monument Valley>US160>Tuba City AZ
6. US89>Grand Canyon>US180>I40>US93>Hoover Dam>Las Vegas
7. I15>Los Angeles (Huntington Beach, Long Beach, Redondo Beach, Venice Beach, Santa Monica, Sunset Blvd, Hollywood Sign)
8. US1>Santa Barbara>US1>San Francisco (Golden Gate)
9. US1>US152>US99>Fresno>US180>Sequoia National Forest>US99>Los Angeles
10. Los Angeles>US1>I5>San Diego>I8>Gila Bend AZ
11. US85>I10>Phoenix>I10>Tucson>I10>El Paso
12. I10>I20>Abilene TX
13. I20>Dallas>I45>Houston
14. I10>New Orleans>I10>Mobile>Pensacola
15. US98>Tampa
16. US55>I75>Miami>Overseas HWY>7 Miles Bridge>Key West
17. Overseas HWY>7 Miles Bridge>Miami>I95>Cape Canaveral>Orlando
18. I4>I95>Savannah
19. I95>Richmond
20.Washington DC>I95>Baltimore>Philadelphia>New York (Brooklyn Bridge, Manhattan).
21. I80>I81>I86>Buffalo>Niagara Falls>QEW>Toronto
22. Spare day just in case I am delayed.

I will change the oil the day before the trip and then looks like I need to change it 2 more times once in California and once in Georgia. Other than that I need to change the front left side sway bar link (again ) and I should be good to go. My OEM sound system can hold 13 disks between the CD changer and HU, over 100GB of music between the phone and laptop through the aux. input and all the radio stations I can receive.

I am I am looking for the following:
1. Places to see along the route I mentioned.
2. Good hotels/motels/diners.
3. Hot spots (free WiFi)/gas stations.
4. Places to avoid (bad roads, congested roads, no GSM signal).
5. Last but not least car repair shops along the route for just in case I need a tire, some hose and such.

Much appreciated and as long as I have Internet access I will upload pictures along the route.

ZeroOctane
07-07-10, 11:18 PM
Wow, that's one hell of a trip. Enjoy it, not only seeing all those places but also the amount of time you'll be spending with your Caddy. As always please drive safely too.

I dunno about any of those places other than NYC. Here's a few places I can recommend:

- Curry in a Hurry. Located in the Curry Hill area of Manhattan. Best Indian food I've ever had.
- Katz. SoHo area of Manhattan. Best Jewish Deli you'll ever visit.
- Neptune. Kinda lower east side. Really good Polish food.
- Metropolitan Police Museum.
- Ferrari/Maserati/Mercedes Dealerships. 55th and Park
- Davidoff Cigars. A block over from Ferrari.

Be careful driving in NYC, it's not the best driving experience.

If you're swinging through Boston on a detour drop me a PM and we'll meet up for a bite to eat.

Ranger
07-07-10, 11:23 PM
That's some trip. Going alone?


If you're swinging through Boston on a detour drop me a PM and we'll meet up for a bite to eat.
Likewise here, but I'm a bit north of I80. Only about 10 mile north of I90 though.

N*Caddy
07-07-10, 11:39 PM
Yup, going alone.
This is exactly the kind of information I am looking for, unfortunately both Boston and I90 are out of the reach. Boston is actually the biggest miss and although I am quite close to I90, I will be arriving in Chicago later in the eve on 24, I was just planning to find a place to sleep somewhere west of the city on I80 and start early in the morning.

kjasey
07-08-10, 12:07 AM
Once in LA...you have to check out Venice beach and Santa Monica there in walking distance of each other ....walk through the promenade of Santa Monica and then take a drive on the PCH to malibu. My brother is a bartender at restaraunt named Geoffreys Malibu..tell him Kal says hello. Big name celebs go there often..not to mention some of the most beautiful women in the world go there daily. In Sandiego you will notice a lot of out door shopping malls...simply amazing....
Try to travel through Texas at night....the stars are insane...the cadillac moon roof will turn into a light show!

Some advice..pull over when you get tired and take a quick snooze at a rest stop...there's tons.

Skiller.
07-08-10, 12:30 AM
That's crazy man! Best of luck on the trip...I live in Buffalo, so if you want to meet up on the 21st day of your trip, that would be cool. I turn 21 years old August 12th, so I should be 21 before the 21st day of your trip :p

Edit: I'll be 21 on day 19!

JimD
07-08-10, 12:34 AM
On July 24, 5AM I am leaving Toronto for a 3 weeks round trip around USA. It will be a 10016 miles drive in 21 days (435 miles per day every day).

That sounds like a pure driving marathon. Making over 400 miles per day leaves no time to "enjoy where you are".

For example.
Downtown Chicago has some of the best resturants on the continent.

Northern California has more to offer than San Fransisco which might be good enough. But there is also Napa country, Sausalito, Carmel and the drive down the coast to Pebble Beach.

Houston and the Gulf coast in July - August? Not for me. But the San Jacinto Monument and the San Jacinto Inn (for seafood lovers) is a must. Throw in the NASA Space Center, Kema, and Galveston island and there goes 3 to 4 days.

Your schedule for Florida probably will not work in the summer months. The trip to the Keys includes miles and miles of two lane roads/bridges.

No trip to Savannah would be complete without a horse-drawn tour of old town (have you read "Midnight In the Garden of Good and Evil"?).

WIFI is available at some (but not all) convenience locations; Wendy's, McDonalds, Bob Evans, franchised motels, and on and on.

I hope you enjoy the trip ! !

orconn
07-08-10, 12:52 AM
If you are going up U.S. 1 from Santa Barbara to San Francisco do not miss the Monterey Bay Aquarium in Monterey, CA. One of the best aqariums in the world bar non (I am something of a aquarium buff!). In the Los Angeles suburb of San Sylmar try to get to the Merle Norman Auto Museum one of the greatest collections of 1930's classics. Also in L.A.'s Mracle Mile District (on Wilshire Blvd. at Fairfax Ave.) is the Petersen Automotive Museum and close by you can see the La Brea Tar Pits and have lunch at the Farmer's Market.

In Richmond, VA there are many historical sites to see relevant to the Civil War and the Revolutionary War. Ofcourse 60 miles east of Richmond on I-64 is both the Yorktown Battle Field and Colonial Williamsburg both well worth the time.

If you haven't gotten a AAA Travel Guide to the regions you will be passing through one would be good to have along.

Drive safely and keep us posted on your progress.

ben.gators
07-08-10, 12:53 AM
Hi N*Caddy

As you may have heard from media a lot, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed the new immigration bill, SB 1070, into law in April and the effective date of law is 29 July and I presume you will arrive AZ after this date. So always have all your original documents with yourself. Also I can see that you are going to take I-10 from phoenix all the way down to Tuscan and then along the mexico border to El Paso. I personally avoid this road because of safety issues, or at least for the reason that there will be couple of stops along the road looking for illegal immigrants. Instead whenever I want to go to east (and south), I took I-40. For example this is my suggested roue:
Phoenix>I40>Oklahoma>I35>Dalas> I45>Houston and you are back to your schedule!

iowasevillests
07-08-10, 01:07 AM
Day 2: I-80 to Omaha-Couple things, the birthplace of The Duke(John Wayne) is in Madison County Iowa, just west of Des Moines and a bit south of I-80. This is also the same county as the historic Covered Bridges of Madison County if you're interested

About 10 miles west of Omaha on 80(or about 30 miles west of the I80/I29 junction) is the SAC(Strategic Air Command) museum, gonna say its the 3rd best air museum in the country(IMO 1st is Smithsonian, 2nd is the Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton Ohio)

And if something comes up and you need some assistance in the Omaha area let me know, I'm an hour south of Omaha and am available for support if necessary.

And if you've never spent a couple days in Wash DC I'd definitely recommend it! Looks like a great trip, no way I could hit that many sites in 21 days though...I wander way tooo much.

maeng9981
07-08-10, 03:26 AM
Also I can see that you are going to take I-10 from phoenix all the way down to Tuscan and then along the mexico border to El Paso. I personally avoid this road because of safety issues, or at least for the reason that there will be couple of stops along the road looking for illegal immigrants.

Whenever I visit California for any reason, no matter it's Los Angeles or San Diego, I also take I-40. That way you will be safer and I've never seen any security checks on I-40 except one on California for some kinda fruit thing.

DJSG3
07-08-10, 03:52 AM
20.Washington DC>I95>Baltimore>Philadelphia>New York (Brooklyn Bridge, Manhattan).

For this part of your journey to get from Phil. to Manhattan, if you are going to use either the holland tunnel, the lincoln tunnel or the GW bridge. Do not attempt to use these portals between 7am to 10am & 4pm to 7 pm on weekdays, you will spend an hour just getting through one mile. If its a Sat. or Sun. that you arrive here keep your fingers crossed, pack a lunch and something to relieve yourself in if necessary. It's a real crapshoot on weather you will get through easily, especially the bridge on Sundays it usually is clogged until about 1am monday. Not too sure what hours are okay on the Verrazano if you are going that way but probably the same as the the other three. You can't drive through Times Square anymore if you were planning, pedestrians only. Wednesday is matinee day on Broadway so lotsa buses that afternoon and like someone already mentioned driving in Manhattan is the ultimate driving test, the lines on the road are more for just show than actually meaning anything, beware the double & triple right/left hand turn method,taxi drivers are not your friends and parking tickets will run around $150US, if they tow you it will cost more...a lot more. When getting to NY from Phil. you will cross NJ. The drivers here are so not nice that they had to designate roads that make fines double if you get into a road rage incident. Thats for any driving violations, the road rage stuff earns you extra fines. Have fun :o

DJSG3

N*Caddy
07-08-10, 08:33 AM
LA and California in general is the MOST important point of my trip, in fact this idea started few years as a drive to California and back, then while I was there I might just see the deep south and that’s how I got to this.
Any way I am actually planing to get the bicycle in the trunk just to ride it along the beach one late eve from Santa Monica down. Night driving was not in the plan as I want to see as much as possible but Texas is HUGE so it is feasible. For stars I was recommended to drive during the night in Everglades (but I was planing to cross it around 3 PM - day 16). For San Francisco I am ONLY looking to drive over Golden Gate and have a glance to Alcatraz and before that driving along the coast. I specifically scheduled the trip to Florida (and the Gulf States) in the middle of the summer because there is nothing I love more than heat (never liked cold weather). I was warned about the trip to the keys (by local), is a two-lane drive and you really have to stick with the speed limit. But then I am in Florida driving over crystal clear water, there is no rush.
The WiFi tip is GREAT, keep them coming. I have a friend in Savannah, so he will be the one doing my schedule in there.
I am going to get AAA (well the Canadian equivalent) just in case (knock on wood).
Arizona is one of my favorite states due to the heat thing I mentioned earlier. I will have my papers with me (since 2 years almost even we Canadians need passport so yeah, driving license, passport, and vehicle registration). Also I can NOT miss El Paso, for some reason I want to get through, I am well aware about the Mexican border, I have seen it earlier this year from the other side (I spent 2 months in Monterrey).
Good to know I have somebody in Omaha, just in case I need (again knock on wood) somebody who can recommend me a car shop and such.
I 40 was at some point in my plan, but then I decided to see Monument Valley so instead of driving from Las Vegas to the Great Canyon, I will be doing it the other way, so let them check me up, all I have undeclared is some Canadian soil on the tires.
I was NOT expecting to get rush hour traffic in New York area, this is exactly why I planned to get in there in a weekend day. I got to this point in my life without a single parking violation ticket, heck is something to be proud about (“I got my first parking ticket in NY”). Well I was joking, I rather not but damn...I was not expecting traffic in weekend!
Skiller, I should be in Buffalo next day after your birthday. I will be in California when I myself add one more year, but after some point is not a good thing and I already passed the point.
I am not much of a food guy but nobody mentioned places to stay, if you have good experience with places you spend a night along my route please let me know.
Again thank you and all suggestions are well appreciated! :)

ferp
07-08-10, 09:14 AM
It has been a while since I drove through the states. Here are a few little tips. Do not stop in a rest area at night you are better off at a truck stop BIG chain ones like T/A (Truck Stop Of America) or Pietro's, I am not sure what chains they have out west, the 76s are OK. The food is good and priced good some of them have shops and small movie theaters. If you are asked to play a card game or such politely decline and keep watch for the LOT LIZARD SHANIGANS. Have a great trip and enjoy it. I am sure if you Google them( Truck Stops) you will get all the info on them and usually the gas is cheaper

Carvone
07-08-10, 10:24 AM
I agree with JimD, I love a road trip as much as the next guy but your schedule leaves you no time to see the sights along the way. Either add a bunch of days to your trip or make a western trip now and an eastern trip next year?
Either way here are some links for driving down through the keys, http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g34345-c9313/Key-West:Florida:Driving.Us.One.html
http://www.pubclub.com/keywest/keys.htm
Heck I take two days to drive to Key west from Jacksonville, make sure your hungry when you hit Marathon http://www.sparkyslanding.com/ This place is the best. fish tacos and conch fritters cant be beat.
Looks like you will be heading through Jacksonville on I-95 on day 18, I have a stocked garage if you need any repairs on this leg of your trip.

Good Luck

Necrosan
07-08-10, 02:53 PM
Make sure you drive through the redwood forest if you're going to be in northern California. I drove my Eldorado through the Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park when I drove all across the country last year. It's awesome driving next to trees with 13+ foot trunks. Dirt road wasn't even too bad. (Did this all before I changed my struts out) Probably was the coolest part of the journey. Although Idaho is pretty cool on it's back roads, as they constantly get closed from falling logs & crap. Lots of cool stuff to see in the Pacific Northwest... Enjoy the drive!
I managed both ways (Wisconsin->CA then CA->Wisconsin) with no flat tires.
I did tap a deer once though. No damage to my car, fortunately. :)
Enjoy the drive!

N*Caddy
07-08-10, 09:12 PM
Ferp, very good tip with the truck stops, I may check them for the restaurants and fuel (as long as is good premium). Looks like my first overnight stop will be in the area of Iowa 80.
Carvone, unfortunately that is all the vacation I have, in fact I got the clearance from work just few days ago. The links are very good, nothing that I was not told about. As for food, I am not much of a food lover myself; even more sea food but I do love anything that has to do with water (in fact I leave on the Lake Ontario lakeshore). I am passing through Jacksonville and is good to know I have a friendly garage in the area (thank you!).
Necrosan, I had to trade Redwood for Sequoia National Park, all I want is to see a big tree, in fact I will be missing most of the North West (I am south biased – I like hot weather). Ever since I replaced my struts 2 years ago…I am avoiding ANY road that is even slightly bumpy ($2000+++ never again, so I say now).
Again thank you and keep then coming!

BIG ERN
07-08-10, 10:22 PM
Just did a 3 day weekend in KEY WEST beautiful. we stayed at the Wicker House B and B the address is 913 Duval st. in the heart of KW $109.00 per night great value for being right in the middle of the local culture, i dont have the 800 number handy but here is the regular number if you are interested 305-797-2846,by the way gas is $3.00 a gal.
Great pool and plenty of privacy locked gates and free continantal breakfast, we plan on staying there again next year

MylesG23
07-09-10, 11:23 PM
you'll for sure wanna check out the town / city of La Jolla in California. Technically it's part San Diego. It has fantastic restaurants (Joses, Alfonzos, Little Korea, etc...) and stunning scenery and shopping.

Avoid Detroit completely, haha

N*Caddy
07-10-10, 09:01 AM
Actually no matter how expensive the gas may be surely is less than in Canada, last time I payed $4.39 per gallon, we just added last week 8% tax to it since it was not quite expensive enough (socialists :annoyed:). By the way I am very curious on my average gas consumption, I shall expect it 25mpg +.
Good tip with the KW accommodation, I am planning to take a picture right in the corner of Whitehead St. and South St. That is practically the souther most point in continental US.
MylesG23, I will be passing trough San Diego, in fact some day maybe I'll move there, is the ultimate place to live for me.
Detroit is part of my itinerary on purpose, I want to take a picture of the car in front of the Hamtramck Cadillac assembly plant then I am off on I94.

Ian-STS99
07-10-10, 09:25 AM
All this in 21 days ..... I don't think your going to make it myself. I traveled from North Carolina to Maine a few years back, it took me the best part of 20 hours to drive up the I95 due to the volume of traffic / delays during the day in the summer, and I only stopped twice for fuel. No time to sleep in that time either. I had to be back in Maine to keep a dental appointment the next day.

N*Caddy
07-10-10, 09:34 AM
Well, I am bracing myself for the task ahead, is only 26 states :). I only have one spare day (so in fact is 22 days) and if no car problems, traffic and weather, witch are things I can’t control, I should be OK.

Submariner409
07-10-10, 11:46 AM
N* - PM me. I'm 30 miles east of DC (out Rt.50). If you need anything on this leg of the road run, I'll give you my cell #. Jim

DC can be confusing, as well as a bitch to get out of on the Northeast side (Rt.95) Pay attention to your GPS (205W from Garmin, $120 from www.thegpsstore.com - all new North American maps this spring.)

Remember Lindsay Cadillac in Alexandria, VA, just off Rt.95 N. ..........Luke in Parts and ewill3rd in the shop. They have an ad over there >>>>>

mackpappy (The gorgeous red Deville) is in Baltimore, 30 miles up 95 from the center of DC.

kdcing
07-10-10, 12:07 PM
1. Toronto>QEW>403>401 >Detroit>I94>I90>Chicago
2. I80>Omaha>I29>Sioux Falls>I90>Rapid City


If you plan to head into downtown Chicago, the classic stop points are:

1. Willis Tower (Ol' Willie....formerly The Sears Tower). Watching Chicago's crime and gunfire from the 103rd floor Skydeck is spactacular! Have your barfbag handy if you choose to step into The Ledge, which a glass-floored box that hangs off the side of the building.

2. The lakefront: If you have your bike in the trunk, park the Caddy and let peddle-power take over for an hour. There is nothing like an evening bikeride along the lakefront to catch the cool lake breeze (don't worry, Chicago is hotter than hell in the summer, so you'll get your heat). The ultimate prize would be to score a parking space around Grant Park (which is the center of downtown)......but parking will be easier in any residential area at least a mile inland, then bike to the lakefront. Downtown and anywhere north is safe, but the more south (and west) you go, the less safe.

3. Navy Pier: On the northern edge of downtown is a humungous pier that extends into the lake....an old military facility from the 1940's that was converted into a tourist attraction in the last 10-20 years. It's been marketed as the biggest tourist attraction in Illinois.

The ride from I-80 to downtown will be about 45 minutes each way.

The I-80 exits within 5 miles (East and West) of the Indiana/Illinois border are not safe places to stop or lodge. One exception is the Calumet Ave exit (in Munster, Indiana...exit southbound, not northbound, onto Calumet Ave) which is a nice and safe suburb right on the IN/IL border. Definitely, do NOT stop anywhere in Gary, Indiana....yes, it was Micheal Jackson's hometown, but it also has the dubious multi-year award for having the highest murders-per-capita in the US.

For proximity to motels, food and I80 - as well as safety and cleanliness - I recommend staying the night at:


West of I-57 (i.e. Tinley Park, Mokena, New Lenox....all in Illinois), or
In Munster, IN (south on the Calumet Ave exit, as I mentioned earlier), or
In Joliet, IL (if you gamble, there are 2 gambling casino boats in town)

These 3 locations were chosen more for ease of travel and they will NOT truely represent the "Chicago experience". The Chicago experience is in downtown Chicago at the lakefront, in a restraunt (the more ethnic, the better), at a Cubs game gawking at hot drunk chicks, or at a Sox game gawking at drunk, tatoo'd, cigarette-smoking, belching, farting , moustached and somewhat-not-so-hot chicks that are in halter tops with their beer guts hanging out.

A few miles west of the IL/IN border, you will have 1 toll to pay....have change ready (I believe it is an 80 cent toll). Stay in the right lanes, the left lanes are for driver's that have an onboard electronic pay transponder (called "I-Pass" in Illinois).

BIG ERN
07-10-10, 12:09 PM
the photo opp at the southern most point of the contentental U S is pretty cool there's always a line to take pictures there, by the way thats the 0 mile marker at the start of US1

N*Caddy
07-10-10, 07:32 PM
Wow! So Chicago was covered pretty good (I almost feel like I been there). Well I actually was for a whole 2 hours between flights not long ago, but yeah this is good information. The more I read the more I realize is just like Toronto, we have the CN tower glass floor thing, I do once in a while the lake front bicycle thing (not this year so far) as I live by the lake myself (we do not have a pier though). Joliet was kind of my target for the night (actually is the worst case scenario, maybe I can make it little further west that day but will see). Good to know about the right lane part, I generally prefer left ones, as I tend to move faster.

I will be taking a picture at each state border line, and in any major point of the trip like: the first cactus I see, the first palm tree, Mount Rushmore, the Boneville Salts (hope I am allowed to get on the salt at least few yards for a picture), Great Canyon, Hoover Dam, Las Vegas on the strip (at night), Hollywood sign, Santa Monica pier, Golden Gate, next to a Sequoia tree, next to Mexico/US border in San Diego, over the Mississippi bridge, on the 7 Miles Bridge, Key West, downtown Miami (forgot the name of the boulevard), in DC, in NewYork over the Brooklyn bridge, and so many other places in between.

Sub, you are always a gentleman, thank you for the tips in the DC area!

Forest Gump is one of my favorite movies so off course I will be passing through Beaufort and Yamassee area. The theme of the trip is:
“When I got tired, I slept. When I got hungry, I ate. When I had to go, you know, I went.”

Ranger
07-10-10, 10:03 PM
Good to know about the right lane part, I generally prefer left ones, as I tend to move faster.
That right lane part is only when it comes time to pay your extortion fees. Watch your speed though. Roll with the traffic flow. Your safe at 5 over. The rolling Illinois tax collectors have been rather active lately. The state needs money and there was talk of laying off a thousand of them. I suspect that they are trying to prove their worth.

racinrod67
07-11-10, 03:36 AM
N*, that's a pretty ambitious schedule, but it will be a memorable trip to say the least. A few years back we traveled from Washington state down here to Florida and were able to visit some of our nation's national treasures that some people only see pictures of on TV or magazines.

One comment: Yes you can travel out the access road to the Salt Flats and take a picture out on the salt, just don't venture too far off or you might get stuck in some of the soft stuff depending on how much recent rainfall that area has seen. Over the years at Speedweek, I have seen cars, trucks with and without trailers get stuck and have to be towed out, so just beware!

One suggestion: When traveling along the Gulf Coast, I would stay on I-10 from Pensacola and take it east of Tallahassee to I-75 South through Gainesville down to Tampa. You can stop into Big Daddy Don Garlit's museum in Ocala on the way. You will want to avoid HWY 98 this time of year as the stretch between FT. Walton Beach and Panama City can get so backed up with tourists that it will take hours to travel that short distance.

That's my two cents worth, have a great trip!

Frost
07-11-10, 04:19 AM
"Road trip, OTIS!" - with apologies to Animal House.

It's been a loooong time since I made a multi=day sojurn south of the 49th parallel, but I DO rememebr that everyone I met onthe way - and I mean EVERYONE - was helpful, friendly and just plain good folk.

430+ miles each day is extremely ambitious, leaving very little time to enjoy the sights, etc. - but that's your plan. Look for Best Western Motels and their ilk to rest your weary bones at the end of the day. Stay close to main drags whenever possible. Rotate your tires at least once.

N*Caddy
07-11-10, 10:41 AM
Ranger, I know the lane thing is only for the fee booth thing :). Any way if you happen to be in Chicago downtown or the south area around I80 (Joliet) on 24-th (for some reason) I would love to meet you.
HWY 98 is what I was planning to take because I was looking to stick as close as possible with the coast, that’s not good…oh well I shall see how I manage the time, if I got some to spare I take 98 if not I will follow your advice.
430 is indeed ambitious, the plan was to do in some areas of less interest as many miles as possible so I have some time to enjoy the areas of interest. I just rotated the tires last week and I was planing to do it once half way to the route. I will check them every day, and if I see a need to rotate I do it.

Ranger
07-11-10, 12:18 PM
N*, I certainly won't be downtown. I avoid that like the plague. We might be able to meet up depending on where you decide to camp and what time it is. Keep me posted.

Kick94sts
07-11-10, 01:19 PM
I'm about an hour from sioux falls! lol

N*Caddy
07-11-10, 01:50 PM
Oh that is 1h east; I will be coming from south (I29) and then head west on I90. I am struggling to make it that day al the way to Rapid City. Now that I am thinking each summer at least once (if not twice) I drive the Toronto>Sarnia (area) route early in the morning, spend all day on Lake Huron and then later in the eve I return to Toronto, thus I should be able to cover twice that in one day. So theoretically I could do Toronto > Rapid City in 2 (long) days, that should give me extra time to spend in California. Another option is Toronto>Rapid City still in 3 days but spend the night in Sioux City rather than Omaha, that should give me ~150 miles advance, in the end I hit Salt Lake City 1 day earlier.

Kick94sts
07-11-10, 02:36 PM
I'm actually going to sioux falls today, going to eat at HuHot, a mongolian grill. I would recommend it to anyone!

N*Caddy
07-15-10, 09:13 PM
Today we passed the emission test with flying colors, the worst it had was HC @ 2500RPM 30ppm out of 200ppm upper limit. Some of the figures are actually 0 (well I wonder about their test accuracy can’t be 0!). I also noticed my actual idle is 636 RPM i.e. a tad low by (14 RPM) and there is nothing I can do about it :(.
Also yesterday Rockauto shipped the last piece of the puzzle: sway bar link. Saturday I am going to pull the wheel and replace the damn thing (only 2 years and gone! – I will ate it if is AcDelco – honest mechanics yeah right… but let’s not generalize).
Today I tested the laptop see how it goes with car sound system…wow! It never occurred to me to connect the computer to the AUX input. Who doubted about the BOSE speakers? While I was sitting in the back I turned on Media player shortly and I can say I had a good massage from those speakers through the back seat. Here is a short video (the sound is not even close to what was in reality).

VrlKGXIkYCs
Sorry it was the lame side of the music folder :).
Other than that tire balance this weekend and oil change the day before I leave and we are good to go. I was planning to get an air filter too, but why pay double the price in Canada when I can get one in Detroit (if somebody can recommend a place where to buy please!).
Aaaa…and also looking for a DC/DC laptop supply if somebody can recommend a place to buy in the Detroit>Chicago area.

P.S. If you know where to look you will notice (kind of) the chrome trimmed window switches buttons (out of '98-'99 Deville). Is the same exact button only the sides are chrome (matching the door handles). :cloud9:

GizmoQ
07-16-10, 12:20 AM
Hey JimmyH, If you put something together for N*Caddy the night of the 24th, I'll come join ya!

JimmyH
07-16-10, 12:52 AM
make sure you get pizza while you are in Chicago

N*Caddy
07-17-10, 08:51 PM
Today I rebalance the tires, actually I had them removed and rotated on the rim then compensate with lead, we found that one of the tire has a little bit of oval shape, not much but still…is a one year old tire! Then I changed the sway bar link myself…that sucker came out with some fight (specially the say bar end). I tried 3 different style and size pullers. I actually had to cut the end of the screw so I can clear the transmission cooling line with the puller. Almost 2 hours I struggle to get it out and 2 minutes to put the new one. The old (2 years old) one was DEFINETLY no AcDelco (what I paid for). I manage to pull the ball out just with my bare hands by slightly over bending it (it there was not much play to begin with). So she drive smoooooooooooth now. Only thing left is the oil change Friday and the air filter somewhere in Detroit-Chicago.

Submariner409
07-18-10, 12:13 PM
I'm not exactly a fan of the process, but some tire shops can turn the wheel/tire assembly on a "lathe" which uses extremely sharp rotating blades to shave the tire tread in order to correct any out-of-round.

If a tire is in any way out of round you'll NEVER stop a mid-high speed wheel tramp - "shimmy".

For parts and filters, practically every decent-sized city, and a lot of smaller towns/areas, have a NAPA car parts store. NAPA Gold filters are made by Dana/WIX.

You don't have time now, but www.tigerdirect.com or www.newegg.com have decent prices on computer power supplies and adapters. You might try a Radio Shack in the Windy City.

DJSG3
07-21-10, 02:49 AM
make sure you get pizza while you are in Chicago

Now if you want the best pizza in the states...anywhere between & including Philadelphia to NYC. If you have the time, stop at Lombardi's in Manhattan, it is the first pizza place ever opened anywhere.

DJSG3

N*Caddy
07-21-10, 09:26 PM
I am getting closer, only 2 days left and I'm on my way. :D
Now the only thing I ignored on the car was the slight shake when breaking. My brakes are not the same since I returned from Mexico. I asumed the more I drive the more they clean and eventually will even out. Well is the oposit. Today I had really bad traffic going to work and back and in a couple of occasions I had to brake quite hard to avoid the moron :mad2: who jumps on your lane just like that, no turning signal no mirrors check.
Any way I noticed the shake is getting worst, and for some reason I suspected the front left wheel to be the one (even eyecandybotats said the same thing few weeks ago while in my car). So I stopped by my friend's paint shop on my way home and jacked each corner and with partially applied brakes I roated the wheels. Well it turned to be the rear left wheel, and yeah is obvious the rotor is warped (on the outer edge). Can't believe the ONE rear wheel can induce such a bad shake. So now I have to change the rear rotors (only 2 years old) before I go. Tomorow I will have the rotors ordered locally from a local AcDelco supplier and if I cannot get them in the same day, deal is off. I need to change the rotors no later than Friday night (when I am also chaniging the oil). If not, then I will stop somewhere in Michigan/Ilinois and have the rotors replaced at the dealership. I am quite sure parts + labor in states at the dealer are WAY less than just parts alone in Canada.

JimD
07-21-10, 10:50 PM
....Well it turned to be the rear left wheel, and yeah is obvious the rotor is warped (on the outer edge).
Obvious? Your vision is that good that you can measure the lateral run-out on a rotor just by looking at it?

Considering how much heat energy it takes to "warp" a rotor, you might ask yourself how in the world would rear brakes generate that much heat? It is rare enough that front brakes develop enough heat to warp a rotor.

Consider that what you are feeling (let's forget seeing) is uneven pad material deposits on the rear rotor. And that is easy enough to rectify by making a series of ten "hard" stops from 45 MPH without engaging the ABS. Expect to see smoke and smell hot brake pads.

Not to rain on your parade!

Enjoy your driving marathon.

Ranger
07-21-10, 11:08 PM
:yeah:
http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_warped_brakedisk.shtml

N*Caddy
07-21-10, 11:12 PM
Obvious? Your vision is that good that you can measure the lateral run-out on a rotor just by looking at it?

Considering how much heat energy it takes to "warp" a rotor, you might ask yourself how in the world would rear brakes generate that much heat? It is rare enough that front brakes develop enough heat to warp a rotor.

Consider that what you are feeling (let's forget seeing) is uneven pad material deposits on the rear rotor. And that is easy enough to rectify by making a series of ten "hard" stops from 45 MPH without engaging the ABS. Expect to see smoke and smell hot brake pads.

Not to rain on your parade!

Enjoy your driving marathon.

Yeah you can see it comparing with the static caliper, the shiny channel width is much wider too in that exact spot. Plus when you turn the wheel you can feel a sudden stop (quite sudden, not progressive). And I remember when I returned from Mexico, the 2 months of rust on the rotors took about 1 week to clean up (kind of) and that exact wheel had obvious rust on one side and none on the other (the high/low spot was obvious).
Now come to think...I was late one morning for work (back in November or so) and I really used every single hp from that engine, I had to brake long and hard few times (same storry small Corolla coming from the colector doing 35 MPH and changing across 3 traffic lanes in the left lane where I was doing about 120 MPH 100 yards back). As I was waiting to the first traffic light after the HWY exit I saw the hot air (like in desert) rising around my fenders, and the unmistakible smell of hot metal. So some how the front rotors survived that (well they are AcDelco - 1 year old witch I bought and installed) while the rear ones (witch I assume are AcDeclo - that's what I paid the mechanic to install) didn't. Is not the first "AcDelco" part that mechanic installed and I had to change 1-2 years later (see the sway bar links, alternator...).
I do check for heat with the back of my hand on each wheel once in a while after a trip where I didn't used the brakes too much and I know there is no rub or such.

Submariner409
07-22-10, 09:19 AM
Cast iron rotors do not warp. If they did, every sports car road race ever held would be doomed from the start: in a road race disc brakes run red hot - so hot you can see them glow at night during hard turns.

Many links posted concerning pad deposits and how to clean them as JimD posted.

For some entertainment during a motel evening on your trip, read and watch this entire link, plus some of the other embedded links.

www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/pro_cut_lathe.shtml

mhamilton
07-22-10, 10:45 AM
I just went through the same thing with my rear brakes. Have the dial indicator, measured the LR out about 0.050" laterally. Bought new declo rotors, and just for kicks I measured again. Lucky thing I did, because these new ones still appeared to be 0.030" out (the limit for Chevy rotors is 0.005" TIR).

Long story short, even though I cleaned the rust off the hub with a wire brush, some of the metal from the rotor was actually fully welded onto the hub (by rust or whatever process), and it took considerable hand sanding to make the hub true again. I did wire brush my hubs, but this was actually a physical bump on the hub I could feel with my finger. You can see on the back of the rotor where the spots were that bonded with the hub flange.

After all was said and done, got down to about 0.003" TIR.

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2802/oldrotor.jpg

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/6186/sandedhub.jpg

Submariner409
07-22-10, 02:21 PM
This is the wrong thread to get deeply into brakes, but make no mistake: properly installing new rotors is not a ten minute job.

Not long after buying the STS I did exactly as you did: trued up the rotors and hubs. My car is dead smooth all the way to 130+.

The spirit finally moved me to install these within the next few weeks..........I'll use my dial indicator and, if the results are more than .003" TIR, there's a ProCut lathe shop 10 miles from me...................(FWIW a ProCut job is around $60 per rotor)

STSS
07-22-10, 02:34 PM
Do you plan on putting the EBCs on the rear too Sub?

Submariner409
07-22-10, 02:40 PM
You're looking at one of the fronts (thick, vented) and one of the rears (solid) - Redstuff pads.
The front rotors weigh 23 pounds apiece !! (about the same as OEM.........)
They've been here since April, but when I hacked the tip of my left ring finger off...................

STSS
07-22-10, 04:21 PM
Thanks Sub, I didn't catch that one was solid.... I'm planning on putting those on the front of my 03, but I'm not sure if I want to spend the extra $ for the rears.

Sorry for the hijack N*....

N*Caddy
07-22-10, 10:54 PM
Neah, didn't bothered with the old rotors, I just ordered a pair this morning and had them delivered at my friends paint shop. In fact they delivered 2 pairs Roybestos and AcDelco for me to choose from. I end up with the AcDelco, there were minor differences between (from looking at) but AcDelco seem to have a small edge (more care when built).
And yes I did a 45 minutes quick brake job after I returned from work, the light was fading so I had to work quick plus I had to run some errands after. One side did put up a fight with me to get the screws out but the other worked just like butter. The old rotors did not looked even close like the used one in the above picture. If it were made of aluminum they would not wear that bad. I mean the pads were less than half used while the rotors (installed in the same time 2 years ago) were deeply eaten. I mean as much as the pad material was removed that's how much of the rotor was shaved in. I did change the pads too just for the heck of it and now she has round brakes. There was no deposit on the rotors, no groves and such just a even deeeeeep channel. After about 15 miles of city drive the brakes feel perfect. I need to do tomorrow a hard brake from 85 mph to 40 mph that should be the real test.
Other than that, tomorrow is the oil change and I am ready to GO, only if this damn Vista from my laptop will finish installing "updates" because that's what it does in the last week or so. I will need it for my maps and such not to see "Installing 3 of 87 do not turn off the computer..."
Not to mention some idiot just slammed my trunk earlier, I should just get out of the car myself and pick up that package rather than give somebody else the occasion to slamm it. The idiot started then shoving it down…didn’t even noticed the pull down motor is closing it…Toyota owners :mad2:

hueterm
07-22-10, 10:57 PM
This will be a very interesting thread. Take lots of pics and upload when you're in your hotel.

N*Caddy
07-22-10, 11:11 PM
This will be a very interesting thread. Take lots of pics and upload when you're in your hotel.

That's the plan :bouncy:
And I am willing to meet as many people as I can along the route, just post here if you are in an area I am passing trough.

N*Caddy
07-22-10, 11:36 PM
Obvious? Your vision is that good that you can measure the lateral run-out on a rotor just by looking at it?

Considering how much heat energy it takes to "warp" a rotor, you might ask yourself how in the world would rear brakes generate that much heat? It is rare enough that front brakes develop enough heat to warp a rotor.

Consider that what you are feeling (let's forget seeing) is uneven pad material deposits on the rear rotor. And that is easy enough to rectify by making a series of ten "hard" stops from 45 MPH without engaging the ABS. Expect to see smoke and smell hot brake pads.

Not to rain on your parade!

Enjoy your driving marathon.

JimD, after careful inspection today I noticed that what I was seeing yesterday on the edge was in fact the actual edge rust, the pads were deeply embedded in the rotor (inside the channel created in the past 2 years). Still that channel was not even width, it was wider on the spot where the wheel was stopping suddenly.
Did not bother measuring the thickness though.

hueterm
07-23-10, 09:33 AM
That's the plan :bouncy:
And I am willing to meet as many people as I can along the route, just post here if you are in an area I am passing trough.

Northwest Arkansas, here -- I don't think that you were from what I remember.

JimD
07-23-10, 12:03 PM
....the pads were deeply embedded in the rotor (inside the channel created in the past 2 years). Still that channel was not even width, it was wider on the spot where the wheel was stopping suddenly.
Did not bother measuring the thickness though.

Now that sounds like bent or corroded caliper pins not allowing the caliper to float as designed.

If you are happy with the performance of your new rotors and pads, I suspect you cleaned the old caliper pins or installed new ones.

Bon voyage.

N*Caddy
07-24-10, 12:15 AM
Just took care of the very last car detail: oil change. Car is ready (a part for the air filter witch I will get it from Detroit). Brakes are fine (the pins were changed last time, the rubbers are good so there was no need to clean, and all was nice and shiny).
Tomorrow IS THE DAY, pictures soon…

N*Caddy
07-24-10, 09:06 AM
3 Hour late but that's it I am leaving.
This is the first picture in front of the house, 3 weeks from now I will be back in the same place.


http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7378/readytogo.jpg

N*Caddy
07-24-10, 04:10 PM
Picture no 1: Detroit in front of the Cadillac Assembly Plant

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/8890/cadillacplant.jpg

Submariner409
07-24-10, 04:56 PM
Bon Voyage........watch out for the crazies !!

Remember, if you're ahead of schedule into Maryland I'm good for crabs and a brew - besides, I want a pic of your car next to mine.

ThumperPup
07-24-10, 07:38 PM
safe journey N-Caddy if you detrout into Cleveland let me know

N*Caddy
07-25-10, 12:46 AM
Day one…
I left Toronto almost 4 hours later than planed. This is the first fill up in Toronto


http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/536/fisrtfillup.jpg

at some point it even stated to rain…


http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7476/bordern.jpg

This is me crossing the border on the Ambassador Bridge. Then the first stop was the Cadillac assembly plant (see my previous post). After that next point was Chicago…


http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9641/chicagoa.jpg

Not much to say about Chicago, is just like Toronto … maybe less Honda/Toyota crap on the streets…well that’s pretty much it, you see Chicago you know how Toronto is and the other way around.

Car worked flawlessly, not one single issue, I managed to cover 650 miles (and it was easy), should I have left on time by now I should be in Iowa, I stopped into a nice little town about 20 miles east of the Iowa/Illinois state border.
The average speed was 62 MPH, the MPG was 22.3 (a bit lower that expected but then again I kind of pushed the car since I was late), oil is 93% already :). I am ahead of the plan by almost 100 miles, and if al goes well by tomorrow night I shall be in Rapid City (more time for California!).
The original plan was to take a picture at each state border, but funny thing there is no damn sign for it so I can only take a picture next to the GPS screen…



safe journey N-Caddy if you detrout into Cleveland let me know

Sorry man, Cleveland was about 80 M out of my reach, and when I am returning I am going the New York-Buffalo route. But we are not that far any way…

Over all the day was wonderful...vacation is good :bouncy:

ben.gators
07-25-10, 12:57 AM
Hum, the average speed of 62MPH, how could you drive 650 miles by this speed?

Have a safe trip and keep us updated.....

N*Caddy
07-25-10, 08:57 AM
bon voyage........watch out for the crazies !!

Remember, if you're ahead of schedule into maryland i'm good for crabs and a brew - besides, i want a pic of your car next to mine.

absolutely!



Hum, the average speed of 62MPH, how could you drive 650 miles by this speed?

Have a safe trip and keep us updated.....

Well most of the time the speed limit is 65-70, and I (like everybody else) was 5-8 miles above.
2 stops for gas plus the border, Detroit and downtown Chicago lowered the average.
But you got to love the cruise control!


P.S. I noticed I made some bad grammar errors in places, sorry I was in rush...

Submariner409
07-25-10, 09:03 AM
Including traffic jams, stops, and gas his DIC long-term average trip speed (so far) is 62 mph - so he's hoofing right along on the highways...........

jrwoods
07-25-10, 03:23 PM
Quote:
"The average speed was 62 MPH, the MPG was 22.3 (a bit lower that expected but then again I kind of pushed the car since I was late"

Wow, that is much lower than i would have expected. Any ideas why? With an average speed of 62mph i would be expecting 27+. I got back from a mellow 250 mile round trip with 85% highway 15% city driving and never got aggresive. I averaged 56 mph with my mpg at 27.9. I really made an effort to coast into lights, do the speed limit (exactly) and other gas saving tips.
I did this because last round trip i made to phoenix i was racing another car 100 mph+ and doing WOT's and my MPG went as low as 23.5 and someone said that wasnt as good as theirs, so i wanted to find out what my maximum mileage could be with tame driving.
Does anyone know of an existing post that has milage feedback from seville owners? We should start one if not.

Anyways, have a safe and trouble free journey!!

Submariner409
07-25-10, 04:08 PM
He's driving a STS with the 300hp/3.71 final drive package which turns the engine at 2,000 rpm at 60 mph. His gas mileage is right on for the conditions and the car. (FWIW, My 2002 STS runs 23.9 to 24.5 mpg on 87 octane at average highway speeds of 65-75 during 830 mile Florida trips.....)

If your Seville is a SLS then you would normally expect about 25.5 - 28 due to the 275hp/3.11:1 final drive and your rpm should be about 1750 at 60.

There is literally a TON of mileage info in here and Northstar Performance concerning gas mileage in both Sevilles and Eldorados.

ThumperPup
07-25-10, 04:51 PM
He's driving a STS with the 300hp/3.71 final drive package which turns the engine at 2,000 rpm at 60 mph. His gas mileage is right on for the conditions and the car. (FWIW, My 2002 STS runs 23.9 to 24.5 mpg on 87 octane at average highway speeds of 65-75 during 830 mile Florida trips.....)

If your Seville is a SLS then you would normally expect about 25.5 - 28 due to the 275hp/3.11:1 final drive and your rpm should be about 1750 at 60.

There is literally a TON of mileage info in here and Northstar Performance concerning gas mileage in both Sevilles and Eldorados.

My sls im usualy pushing around 26-27.5 the way from cleveland to chicago
on my way back usualy drops down to like 25.5 not sure why but it does

N*Caddy
07-25-10, 05:08 PM
Iowa is good speed limit wise 70!
I got the average speed up to 63.4 and the gas mileage 23.1.
Nothing interesting so far. Let’s see if I can get all the way to Rapid City by tonight. I am almost in Omaha witch was the end of today, so from now on I am ahead of plan.


http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6440/iowag.jpg

I loved the wind mills in Iowa hills (is flat like a pancake but here end there you see a small hill.
Gas is SUPER cheap (for a Canadian) $2.49, I regret I don’t have a larger tank and yeah…adaptive cruise control.


P.S. New air filter (less than half the price in Canada).

jrwoods
07-25-10, 05:59 PM
My sls im usualy pushing around 26-27.5 the way from cleveland to chicago
on my way back usualy drops down to like 25.5 not sure why but it does

Cleveland to Chicago= higher elevation to lower(downhill) = more MPG
Chicago to Cleveland = lower elevation to higher (uphill) - less MPG

Submariner409
07-25-10, 06:21 PM
Put this in your hat:

If you never reset your long-term gas mileage for the duration of this trip, you'll wind up back home with a 24.2 average. Your oil consumption will actually decrease over the length of the trip.

You're doing almost exclusively highway driving - carry 33 psi, cold, in your tires and do NOT bleed them when hot. That will give you another 0.2 mpg.

ben.gators
07-25-10, 07:48 PM
So here is the story of gas millage! During my last journey from Phoenix to LA, I got 21 MPG!!! :D Too many cars in the road, and most of the time I was pushing gas to pass other cars, or pushing the brake to reduce the speed because of front cars! That is why I got such a horrible highway gas millage!

Anyway, sorry for hijacking the thread! N*Caddy some new hot photos from your journey will return back the thread on track! :D

JimD
07-25-10, 07:49 PM
....If you never reset your long-term gas mileage for the duration of this trip, you'll wind up back home with a 24.2 average.
In the right ballpark. The highest long term (8.000+ miles) average MPG I have experienced is something in the 23's. Small price to pay for the creature comforts plus the ability of these cars to eat up Interstate miles hour after hour after....

However, that average MPG figure coincides with a similar long term (8,000+ miles) averge MPH figure in the mid-seventies.

JimD
07-25-10, 08:03 PM
....Gas is SUPER cheap (for a Canadian) $2.49, I regret I don’t have a larger tank....
Fuel in the heartland is not taxed in a punitive way. You can buy fuel in parts of GA for $2.399. Wait until you get to CA!

Last time I bought fuel in Southern Ontario (July 11), the cost per US gallon in $US, worked out to $3.70.

Sounds like you are enjoying the trip and making good time. Be safe!

N*Caddy
07-25-10, 08:50 PM
Getting close to Sioux Falls so I can go again west. South Dakota is even better 75 MPH. Every body is doing ~83 MPH so I get very good average.
I am at 63.7 MPH and gas mileage 23.4. The oil is counting faster than expected is 87% just about to go 86% and I am 1186 miles in this moment.
Hard to reach Rapid City today, I mean I could but... In any case I am 200 M ahead of plan. Looks like I get more time for California.
Omaha City is my first time in and other than these pictures there is nothing to mention about it.


http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/500/nebraskao.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7962/omahac.jpg

JimD
07-25-10, 08:58 PM
....Omaha City is my first time in and other than these pictures there is nothing to mention about it.Warren Buffett would disagree:):)

N*Caddy
07-25-10, 11:02 PM
Well I got suckered by a mile long of signs for hotels/motels/restaurants and gas station here dead center South Dakota so I pulled in for the night. Turned out to be a super small town with a grocery store that closes at 1:00 PM, a bar and 2 gas stations. So looks like today I dine at gas station YUM!

By the way the BEST by far roads so far are in South Dakota. I did ~85 MPH for the last 100 miles (hey is the traffic!).
So today only 675 miles, I should have continued for another 25.

Sub, I keep my tires 35PSI cold (warm I noticed are ~37PSI).
For some reason if I keep them 32PSI they wear out faster on the sides (like underinflated!!?!?)

ThumperPup
07-26-10, 09:48 AM
Sub, I keep my tires 35PSI cold (warm I noticed are ~37PSI).
For some reason if I keep them 32PSI they wear out faster on the sides (like underinflated!!?!?)



I usualy roll on mine with 35psi i notised that if i roll lower the wear also on the sides and well not going threw some 140 dollar tires twice the time

N*Caddy
07-26-10, 05:28 PM
Mount Rushmore


http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6049/mountr.jpg

mhamilton
07-26-10, 06:57 PM
Very nice :) Crop out the guard rail and it would look like a page from the Cadillac brochure :)

BIG ERN
07-26-10, 07:25 PM
a great car in a great picture, sounds like you're havin a ball, stay safe and enjoy the country it's a beautiful drive

hueterm
07-26-10, 10:22 PM
Love it! So many pic opportunities!

N*Caddy
07-26-10, 10:35 PM
Beautiful car in a beatiful country.
I am 10 miles north from Colorado so wait untill you see the Colorado pictures.


http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9966/wyoming.jpg

N*Caddy
07-27-10, 01:27 AM
Today I ended up in Denver witch means I gained one day, here in Colorado gas is even cheaper ($2.48), too bad I filled up in South Dakota... I managed to cover only little over 600 miles due to the stop at Mount Rushmore. At some point my average speed was 65.2 MPH (Rapid City), but in the mountains it went down. Lately I recovered, I am at 64.8 MPH. Gas mileage is about the same 23.5 MPG. Unfortunately I missed the "Welcome to Colorado" board :(, I saw it too late to stop from ~80MPH.
If I can make it until Bonneville Salt Flats tomorrow I am happy camper.

I am pleased to see that American people buy American cars unlike us Canadians where more than half are imports (Japanese crap mainly).


http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/788/usflagy.jpg

N*Caddy
07-27-10, 05:49 PM
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3047/coloradop.jpg

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3965/colorado1.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6707/byecolorado.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/6953/utah.jpg

N*Caddy
07-28-10, 01:53 AM
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/627/bonneville.jpg

Nope, that is not snow, it is salt, the Bonneville Salt Flats.
I hope to get a better picture tomorrow morning with better light. The salt is hard looks like it should hold quite well under the tires.
Driving trough Colorado's Mountain area is one of the best experiences ever. Imagine now if it was manual...I was quite surprised to see the car downshifting and almost go WOT on cruise control up on the slopes.
Then downhill I noticed this:


http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/7416/rangeg.jpg

And it was about 20 miles after I filled up. In fact at some point after I took the picture I got on the DIC RANGE 596 MILES. Too bad I was not ready to take a picture. Oil went down 4% in the first 50 miles west from Denver (up on the slopes), after that the next 600 miles went down another 3%. The coolant got up to 224*F once. When going up on cruise control (set to ~73MPH) on very steep sections it was bogging down little by little, then it was downshifting and I was pushed against the backrest. Guess when the coolant temperature was going up? Nope, it was going up in 4-th and once in 3-rd and hitting 4000 RPM the coolant temperature was going down.
I averaged so far (in almost 2000 miles) 64.9 MPH and gas mileage is ~24.5 MPH.
One more thing WOT in the tunnels :thumbsup:

Skiller.
07-28-10, 03:43 AM
That sounds awesome man! Look forward to meeting up in B-Lo...

ben.gators
07-28-10, 04:50 AM
.I was quite surprised to see the car downshifting and almost go WOT on cruise control up on the slopes.
Then downhill I noticed this:


http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/7416/rangeg.jpg

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Hum, interesting, for some reason the computer in my car controls the amount of Gas I can push into the engine in uphills (cruise control is off). Even once I floored the gas pedal but RPM never went higher than 2500RPM and speed not higher than 65MPH! :hmm:But this idea looks interesting! Before arriving to uphills set the cruise control to a high speed, and see does the RPM climb up to keep the speed at the set value or not? I may try this... :D

N*Caddy
07-28-10, 10:21 AM
Make sure is a long hill (more than half a mile) and pretty steep; set the cruise control to some speed way before the climb.
I was just watching the speed...73...73...73...72...72...72...71...downshi ft/~4000RPM.... 72...73...74...4-th...74.... 74....73...73...73...72...72...72...71...downshift/~4000RPM...72...73...74. If the hill is long enough it will do this more than once.
Also on a gentile slope if you accelerate using the cruise control button it will downshift too.
Boy what a blast to drive in Colorado...:thumbsup:

mhamilton
07-28-10, 10:30 AM
The N* makes quite a difference on those long grades :) I once took my '80 Malibu 6 cylinder to the mountains here in NC, was fine almost the whole way, until I got within a few miles of my friend's house. Started up a 8% grade going about 65 mph. Very quickly that slowed to 55.... then 45.... 40... then by that time my foot was planted, it finally downshifted to 2nd (pretty useless on an engine with no power over 2000 rpm), and made it back to 45 mph, but was screaming for 2 miles in 2nd gear LOL

Aside from manually shifting to 3rd in the Eldo, would have hardly known we were going up a hill :)

N*Caddy
07-28-10, 11:16 AM
There was a guy with a A4 behind me trying to keep up, it was catching up with me downhill (I was on cruise control keeping the speed constant with engine brake) while he was accelerating, but once we went up hill I could see the Audi going smaller and smaller and smaller in the rear view mirror.

Ranger
07-28-10, 12:11 PM
I can remember crossing the salt flats on I80 (in a '69 Torino). I could see the mountains at Wendover and was cruising at 90, but the mountains seemed to move with me. Took forever before they appeared to start getting closer. I still remember when we got to Wendover someone had painted a huge special forces patch on the side of the mountain. Is it still there? I think this was it (patch only).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b8/Us-special_forces.svg/150px-Us-special_forces.svg.png

Submariner409
07-28-10, 12:13 PM
ben gators, Something's fishy - you should be able to redline/WOT in low gears on just about any grade - not sayin' redline in 3rd or 4th going up a 10% grade - but there's no limiter which reduces climbing power except gravity. Can you do a WOT to redline in 1 - 2 - 3 ?

Yep, the engine rpm slowdown, fuel injector turnoff and speed can be disconcerting on long downgrades.......

N* - How many miles covered to this evening and how much 10W-30 so far ??

ben.gators
07-28-10, 04:43 PM
There was a guy with a A4 behind me trying to keep up, it was catching up with me downhill (I was on cruise control keeping the speed constant with engine brake) while he was accelerating, but once we went up hill I could see the Audi going smaller and smaller and smaller in the rear view mirror.

ha ha ha, dude, you need one of these stickers on your mirror! :D

http://i30.tinypic.com/257oznm.jpg

ben.gators
07-28-10, 04:44 PM
ben gators, Something's fishy - you should be able to redline/WOT in low gears on just about any grade - not sayin' redline in 3rd or 4th going up a 10% grade - but there's no limiter which reduces climbing power except gravity. Can you do a WOT to redline in 1 - 2 - 3 ?

Yep, the engine rpm slowdown, fuel injector turnoff and speed can be disconcerting on long downgrades.......



I will try it Sub.

hueterm
07-28-10, 05:52 PM
This thread should be moved to the Lounge....

N*Caddy
07-28-10, 08:45 PM
I covered so far 2900 miles, I have:
Oil: 66%
24.5 MPG AVG
64.2 AVG MPH
So oil should hold until San Diego if not at least L.A.

This morning I went on the salt. Took some pictures and I could not resist so I floor-it to top speed twice (I did the official 2 passes :D)

Here is a picture from before:


http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1252/bonnevilleflats.jpg

and here is one in the middle of the flats:



http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/7206/bonnevilleflatsafter.jpg

And I only add less than a quarter of oil in all these miles, I could not even bother so far (but I check the oil every stop).

I did notice the graffiti on the rocks around Wandover (I spent the night in) but could not say I noticed the Special Forces one. If I may say...man what a dump that place! Good thing I manage to brake some Spanish other wise I could not even get gas. I got a good picture on the Nevada/Utah border though...


http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5641/utahnevada.jpg

ben.gators
07-28-10, 09:27 PM
Wow, floored the gas till top speed on the salt! Was there any object on the salt? For example stone or rock? or it was all safe to drive ultra fast on it?

77CDV
07-28-10, 11:37 PM
The Bonneville Salt Flats are where they set land speed records. Miles and miles of level nothingness with no obstacles at all.

N*, hope you take some time to see Las Vegas. It's really something if you've never been. Also, from LA to Santa Barbara, it's CA-1 (Pacific Coast Highway; US-1 is on the east coast). PCH merges with US 101 (Ventura Freeway) up in Oxnard, then diverges again in Buellton. Be sure to see at least one of the CA mission churches. I recommend Mission San Juan Capistrano or Mission Santa Barbara. Also, give me a passing wave as you drive through Malibu. I'll be in Thousand Oaks on the other side of the Santa Monica Mountains. :)

This is an epic trip! I love it!!! :thumbsup:

hueterm
07-29-10, 12:04 AM
I know...so do I -- I brought up moving it to the Lounge -- the non Seville/Eldo guys need to see this.

Jesda
07-29-10, 12:20 AM
I drove a Saturn Aura on the salt flats. Unfortunately, the speed limiter kicked in at 113.

93DevilleUSMC
07-29-10, 12:22 AM
While you're near Savannah, you should get some good photos of a city called Darien, GA. Sapelo Island is also a good spot for touring and photos, and there is some great shrimp there.

N*Caddy
07-29-10, 12:44 AM
The Bonneville Salt Flats are where they set land speed records. Miles and miles of level nothingness with no obstacles at all.

N*, hope you take some time to see Las Vegas. It's really something if you've never been. Also, from LA to Santa Barbara, it's CA-1 (Pacific Coast Highway; US-1 is on the east coast). PCH merges with US 101 (Ventura Freeway) up in Oxnard, then diverges again in Buellton. Be sure to see at least one of the CA mission churches. I recommend Mission San Juan Capistrano or Mission Santa Barbara. Also, give me a passing wave as you drive through Malibu. I'll be in Thousand Oaks on the other side of the Santa Monica Mountains. :)

This is an epic trip! I love it!!! :thumbsup:



I am driving from LA to San Francisco following the US1 (the coast).
I have my bicycle in the trunk specially to ride it along the beach from Santa Monica south. California is THE destination in this trip. Who knows, maybe one day I will move in (San Diego or LA). Driving on Sunset Blvd is almost a religious moment for me. I already started to see cars from California, I can almost smell the Pacific (almost). About the license plate....with my Canadian and further more Ontario license plate I am definitely out of place. Earlier some biker dude came to me on the gas station "Holly cow man you are coming all the way from Ontario!"
After Bonneville things got boring, as I had to return 300 miles on the same route. Finally in the last 150 miles the view started to change a little.


http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/1669/holeinrock.jpg

Due to me fouling around on the salts I only managed to cover 500 miles today (but some of these miles were TOP SPEEEEEEED) :).
According to the schedule I was suppose to stop in Tuba City, but I am only 120 miles away, still almost 1 day ahead of plan, tomorrow I should still make it to Las Vegas (if all goes well).

Kick94sts
07-29-10, 01:26 AM
those flats look awesome!!!!!!!!!!

77CDV
07-29-10, 01:33 AM
You'll really love taking PCH up the coast to Frisco. But, be warned! It's a twisty, two-lane road that hugs the cliffs and going fast is not an option. It normally takes about 6 to 8 hours to drive from LA to SF via the 101. Using PCH will increase that to 10 to 12 hours. Incredible view, though, and well worth the time.

ben.gators
07-29-10, 02:11 AM
Hum, I do love to do two things when I get the chance to be in Bonneville Salt Flats.
1- Floor the gas till the speed limiter kicks in and continue driving...
2- Drop a block of stone behind myself when I'm leaving there! :p (just a joke, if your car hits an obstacle there please don't come after me... :D)

Destroyer
07-29-10, 06:59 AM
On July 24, 5AM I am leaving Toronto for a 3 weeks round trip around USA. It will be a 10016 miles drive in 21 days (435 miles per day every day).

Is this some mid-life crisis? Have a killer time, I wish I could do something like this.:thumbsup:

Night Wolf
07-29-10, 10:41 AM
Wow, that is sweet! I'd really like to do that someday.

Just seems like it is alot of driving and not much time to get to stay anywhere and enjoy the area.

Oil change in Gerogia? Stop by Rick's Driveway (my place) and it'll be free! I'm 3hrs from Savanah tho...

N*Caddy
07-29-10, 12:03 PM
I scheduled one day for that (sorry US1 is indeed in Florida, I will be there in 1 week).


Wow, that is sweet! I'd really like to do that someday.

Just seems like it is alot of driving and not much time to get to stay anywhere and enjoy the area.

Oil change in Gerogia? Stop by Rick's Driveway (my place) and it'll be free! I'm 3hrs from Savanah tho...


My most urgent need is a oil change in California. I am looking for a place that has exactly the oil I want 10W30 Valvoline and sells 2-3 quarts of the exact oil for just in case.
But I will be going to Savannah, actually I am visiting a friend in there.

N*Caddy
07-29-10, 04:16 PM
Monument Valley is just amazing...wow!


http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/6700/imag0697.jpg

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7783/imag0703.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9799/imag0720.jpg

Such a beautiful country..

gdwriter
07-29-10, 04:40 PM
Dayum! Those are some nice pics. Both the scenery and the STS.

ben.gators
07-29-10, 04:46 PM
Very nice pics, and Oh boy, because of ridiculously expensive struts I never dare to go off road to take such beautiful photos!

N*Caddy
07-30-10, 12:13 AM
Oh no worries, I only went like 20 yards and crawling really, really slow. I just chose the shot angle careful enough to look out there, in fact it was by the road.
Now I am going for a slow drive on the strip and the sound track is Viva Las Vegas (what else) :cool2:

93DevilleUSMC
07-30-10, 12:17 AM
You should really submit these pictures to Motor Trend. This is on par with some of the more epic road trips they have taken and written about.

And while you're in Georgia, you should pass by Atlanta and meet up with me, since we're both Canadians (I'm half-Newfoundlander because of Dad) and Cadillac fanatics.

Jesda
07-30-10, 01:34 AM
These photos are incredible

Send this thread to Jalopnik

gdwriter
07-30-10, 01:55 AM
BTW, when you drive through Abilene, TX (my hometown) on I-20, send a wave to my parents as you go through the I-20/U.S. 277/83 interchange. They live about three miles away.

It's too bad your route doesn't take you through the Pacific Northwest. It's a very beautiful part of the country (one of the reasons why I live here).

77CDV
07-31-10, 01:07 AM
Monument Valley is just amazing...wow!


http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/6700/imag0697.jpg


http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7783/imag0703.jpg


http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9799/imag0720.jpg

Such a beautiful country..

Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!!! :thumbsup:

N*Caddy
07-31-10, 01:36 PM
So after I went broke in Vegas, I tried to Pawn the car but I was unable to get a fair price, the old man was low baller ...:)


http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/192/imag0831.jpg
Recognize the place, anybody?

So I decided to keep the car and went further west


http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/6025/imag0834.jpg :worship:
And then I went some more and what is this that I see ending?


http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/4450/imag0840.jpg

Yup that is correct after 4000 miles I ran out of west...can go any further.


http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/7780/imag0843.jpg

I stopped for the night in Manhattan Beach and had a long walk along the Pacific shore. Now I have sand on my feet (and many other places :rolleyes:). Los Angeles is the best place in the world!

hueterm
07-31-10, 01:41 PM
LOVE Pawn Stars! Very cool. You're half way there (or so) are you on schedule?

Submariner409
07-31-10, 02:02 PM
LA ?? LA is a metropolitan jungle. Wait 'till you're heading up the coast road to SF via Big Sur (get a car pic in Julia Pfeiffer redwood forest) - maybe stop north of Monterey - at The Whole Enchilada - for lunch, then make sure you hit a decent Chinese restaurant on Grant Street in SF.

hueterm
07-31-10, 02:04 PM
OMG....that Chinese thing sounds SO good right now.....I was up till 3 and just woke up.....................

N*Caddy
08-01-10, 04:25 PM
For me words are not good enough to describe LA.
I drove on Sunset Blvd, probably one of the most beautiful street in the word.


http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5737/imag0866.jpg

I went all the way up on Hollywood (land) hills:


http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1077/imag0873.jpg

I changed my oil on Hollywood blvd. (there is a shop in there) and then the BEST picture ever:


http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/3888/imag0859.jpg

This is me on Santa Monica Pier, notice the background.

Then San Francisco...honestly let me a little cold (literally it was freezing here this morning), neah...not my kind of city, LA is the one.


http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/7051/imag0893.jpg

I will spend no more than 2h here and I am back to L.A.

Jesda
08-01-10, 04:33 PM
this thread is so awesome

Kev
08-01-10, 04:43 PM
Epic!!

Kev
08-01-10, 04:57 PM
Then San Francisco...honestly let me a little cold (literally it was freezing here this morning), neah...not my kind of city, LA is the one.The City (San Francisco) is typically cold, windy and foggy. There are some beautiful, warm days but they precious few. And that's in the summer! It's an interesting place to visit, lots of history, lots of landmarks, very strange people. It's just like L A except the weather is colder, it's not as spread out, there are more hills, and the air is usually cleaner ........

Kev
08-01-10, 04:58 PM
...... so ..... it's just like L A, only different .......

gdwriter
08-01-10, 05:06 PM
This is me on Santa Monica Pier, notice the background.

Then San Francisco...honestly let me a little cold (literally it was freezing here this morning), neah...not my kind of city, LA is the one.Mark Twain once said, "The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco." I spent the 4th of July there several years ago, and it was sunny and beautiful. The fog is pretty capricious, but when it lifts or burns off, the Golden Gate is simply spectacular.

gdwriter
08-01-10, 05:13 PM
For me words are not good enough to describe LA.
I drove on Sunset Blvd, probably one of the most beautiful street in the word.


http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5737/imag0866.jpg
That photo looks almost identical to the book I'm currently reading:


http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/65650000/65658903.JPG

Kev
08-01-10, 05:21 PM
Mark Twain once said, "The ....Not according to Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/quotes/twain.asp), but it's a great quote anyway.

orconn
08-01-10, 05:42 PM
I am especially enjoying all the picures you are taking .... seeing your Seville, which is identical to mine in series and color, only mine has polished alloy first generation CTS wheels, in all those beautiful places is a real treat.

I am surprised that your are so impressed with L.A. Most people from the eastern section of the North America complain how they hate it. As a native of Southern California and having spent over half my life in the Los Angeles area, I also love it, but it is so big, and the Freeways intimidating to non-Angelenos, I have always thought that it was a better place to live than to visit.

Los Angeles was probably best described by the person who said, "L.A. is seven centers in search of a city." But I can't think of another city that offers water skiing and snow skiing on the same day. Or so many fine restaurant ranging from great cheap mom and pop's to the finest in ethnic cuisine, to the most up to date epicurean faire. And as a car city l.A. can't be beat. But Los Angeles requires an open mind, a sense of adventure .... and the willing ness to drive!

I have never been a fan of San Francisco, despite its' beautiful scenery and great restaurants, S.F. seems to take pride in its' provincial prejudice .... so much so it could easily be Philadelphia, Boston or Baltimore. That is inspight of a reputation for "live and let live."

Kev
08-01-10, 05:48 PM
.... and the willing ness to drive!Often the willingness to spend lots of time in your car not getting very far ....... depending on the time of day/day of the week ...... unless you can navigate local side streets expertly.

orconn
08-01-10, 05:56 PM
Often the willingness to spend lots of time in your car not getting very far ....... depending on the time of day/day of the week ...... unless you can navigate local side streets expertly.

The navigation of surface streets as opposed to Freeways is essential. As is living in the right area for your work. The day to day commute can be both an expensive and tiringly long part of the day. But even so L.A. offers so much variety and opportunity I am glad I lived their for almost forty years!

eyekandyboats.inc
08-01-10, 06:41 PM
Very nice Vasi! those have been some fantastic pictures man

ben.gators
08-01-10, 08:45 PM
Yeah, I know a lot of people from east coast who hate California, but I do love California and Los Angles a lot.

Kev
08-01-10, 08:50 PM
Yeah, I know a lot of people from east coast who hate California, but I do love California and Los Angles a lot.The question is; do they hate it because they've lived there and didn't like it or had a horrible experience here? Or do they hate it for rhetoric sake, because they've read and heard that we're all fruits, nuts and flakes out here and we're draggin this country to hell? I would accept the first, to each his own but the second sounds like ignorant jealousy to me.

ben.gators
08-01-10, 08:51 PM
ben gators, Something's fishy - you should be able to redline/WOT in low gears on just about any grade - not sayin' redline in 3rd or 4th going up a 10% grade - but there's no limiter which reduces climbing power except gravity. Can you do a WOT to redline in 1 - 2 - 3 ?

Yep, the engine rpm slowdown, fuel injector turnoff and speed can be disconcerting on long downgrades.......



Sub, I tired all gears and I can increase RPM arbitrarily high till redline in any gear. It seems that there is nothing wrong with lower gears.

N*Caddy
08-01-10, 10:44 PM
Since I was a kid I hated winters, a deeeeeeeep feeling of sadness and desolation during winters. I only live about 4-5 months a year, the rest is just wasted time.
Also from always I was fascinated with the West Coast LA/San Diego in particular. I came to LA and it is better than I imagined, I am not disappointed is just FABULOS.
I was driving on Sunset Blvd. with a smile on my face but the more I was going the more a feeling of sadness and maybe frustration was developing inside. I can not believe how lucky some people can be leaving in this marvelous place and me I am stuck in that ... Joe Average place. Then I remembered that up the street from my place (witch is lake front but what's the deal, can go swim in Ontario Lake) there is a golf club charging about 70K membership fee (each year) and I was thinking FOR WHAT?!?!?! What is special in Toronto, I would move tomorrow in L.A. giving the opportunity. I don't know but is better than ANY resort in the word, and you get to leave in it. You have these beautiful places like Santa Monica, Venice, Huntington, Malibu, Hollywood and so many others that I have no time to mention, then you have the wonderful weather, palm trees, WHAT is to hate about L.A.?
So I was stuck in traffic for 15 minutes on Hollywood Blvd. Hah! I get that every day on my way to work and is nothing interesting in there...

Any how...I spent some more time in S.F. still not very impressed, yeah it seem that all girls in there are in their late twenties and early thirties, have fabulous hair and good taste in dressing, other than that…still not impressed.
I drove over all the bridges around the Bay area, I passed Golden Gate with the car and with my bicycle that was great, and I got to drove on Lombard street, that was fun!
Here are some pictures:


http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/5476/imag0905.jpg

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2193/imag0914.jpg

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/152/imag0916.jpg

ben.gators
08-01-10, 11:00 PM
Here are some pictures:


Dude! We expect much more than this from you! :mad:
Where are the picture of the chicks you described here: :D


yeah it seem that all girls in there are in their late twenties and early thirties, have fabulous hair and good taste in dressing, other than that…still not impressed.


Put the damn pictures here and let us inspect and ourselves say are they impressive or not! :D

77CDV
08-02-10, 12:04 AM
Well, if it's SF, the girls may not be, you know, girls. SF used to be a much nicer place before the ultraliberals took over and decided to make our state's second largest city into one big hippie commune. Now it's really dirty and run down, a lot of it's charm is gone.

You really haven't experienced LA traffic, since you're here on a weekend. Stick around for the cattle call of Monday morning. I recommend trying to drive the 405 between the Valley and the south bay. LA won't look so fab after that. ;)

Really, though LA, and SoCal in general, is a victim of it's own success. I was everything it promised to be, which drew hordes of people, so now it's no longer what it was, though the weather remains reasonably delightful, especially compared to terrestrial ice boxes like Toronto.

orconn
08-02-10, 12:41 AM
Sorry to report, having travelled to S.F. on business since the early seventies, the city has always looked a bit dirty and run down ...... very similar to many East Coast cities. And while through the 1970's San Francisco remained the finacial center of the West, that ended during that decade when Los Angeles over took it to become the financial center of the Pacific Rim. Today San Francisco has become something of a tourist destination where you can marvel at its' setting and relative small size charm, and its' hilly difference from most other cities. But S.F. charm as a place to live has been eroded by its' extreme high cost and its' pre-eminence as the Gay Capital of the U.S.

Los Angeles was really pruced up in the 1980's when the motion picture and recording industries picked up following a bad slump in the 1970's. Its' new role as the financial and business center of the Pacific Rim really helped too. Unfortunately the growth of the gangs has done a lot to make life unhappy for many people in L.A. and the loss of many, many manufacturing has made blue collar jobs hard to come by.

77CDV's view that L.A. and Southern California in general has been the victim of its' own success is quite true. Real estate ownership has become a very pricey situation for anyone moving to the region. Although rental housing remains reasonably cheap. State taxes of all varieties push the cost of living up, as does the cost of insurance. Pay for service type jobs remains low because of the huge influx of illegal aliens. To put it bluntly, L.A. has become very much a city of the "haves" and the "have nots" with the middle class being continually under pressure to leave.

By the way, for the record, San Diego is the second largest city in California. San Francisco is now the the third largest!

77CDV
08-02-10, 12:54 AM
You're right, Orconn! I always forget about San Diego, and the last housing boom really pumped up SD's population. Nobody really thinks about SD, though. Tends to get lumped in with smaller cities like San Jose and Santa Barbara.

hueterm
08-02-10, 12:55 AM
Aren't SD and LA about to just grow together?

77CDV
08-02-10, 12:56 AM
Not with Camp Pendleton between them.

orconn
08-02-10, 01:10 AM
Not really. Camp Pendleton does effectively separate the two sprawls, but in reality Los Angeles is very different from Orange County to the immediate south and San Diego. Los Angeles is very cosmopolitan, as only a city subject to tremendous immigration can be. New York and Los Angeles are the two most cosmopolitan cities in the U.S., They are also tewo of the most culturally rich. Orange County and San Diego are places where middle class white culture and Latino culture predominate. Living in Los Angeles is a whole different experience that living in the suburbia of the other two locals. For all its' problems, and they are many, Los Angeles remains an exciting place to live and provides opportunites for experiences not available in the sprawl to the south and southeast.

But like any really large city, L.A. it is not for everyone ... but if you thrive on diversity of experience and opportunity L.A. rewards in abundance.

N*Caddy
08-02-10, 01:35 AM
Sorry to report, having travelled to S.F. on business since the early seventies, the city has always looked a bit dirty and run down ...... very similar to many East Coast cities. And while through the 1970's San Francisco remained the finacial center of the West, that ended during that decade when Los Angeles over took it to become the financial center of the Pacific Rim. Today San Francisco has become something of a tourist destination where you can marvel at its' setting and relative small size charm, and its' hilly difference from most other cities. But S.F. charm as a place to live has been eroded by its' extreme high cost and its' pre-eminence as the Gay Capital of the U.S.


Could not agree more on this one!
S.F. is a great place to go visit a friend over the weekend let's say, obviously if I would have to chose between Toronto and S.F. heck S.F. is no brainier, oh yeah! but I could not just pass over the fact that 350 miles south...you know L.A. If I would be from S.F. I would not imagine a better place to live than S.F. but since I am neutral I can see (as per my taste) L.A. is the far better place.
The best combination will be L.A. with the people from S.F. that’s how much the female population in S.F. impressed me.
Sorry I got no pictures, and I am pretty sure those were actually real deal girls not something else, but let's say the g a y orientation of the city had done marvels over the female attire (good taste hair style, not too much in your face makeup). Actually even the homeless persons had a certain "sophisticated" look (for a homeless person). We do have a open mind in Toronto too, but the female attire is lacking. L.A. on the other hand...well too many "Barbies" on the streets is more superficial.
I was actually looking to see a lot of Yoko Ono/John Lennon kind of looking people but not quite, all I saw was one "Rainbow"/"Sunshine" looking girl down town S.F. (the absolute typical hippie look) but other than that nothing. And honestly there is nothing wrong with that, to each it’s own.
I liked S.F. has a quite clean look comparing with most of the places but...and this is the big but I can not pass over that Nordic feel. Yeah there are palm trees, there are some Spanish influence architectural motives, but yet...is not the full L.A. package. I can see myself driving a Forester in there not a Cadillac. I was expecting to see a more relaxed, happier, weekend kind of feel, but is all business dead serious city. Is nothing like in the Scott McKenzie song:
“If you're going to San Francisco
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair”
People are nice looking bunch can’t argue on this one.


Put the damn pictures here and let us inspect and ourselves say are they impressive or not!
Ben.Gators, this is the only picture I have for you...


http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/289/imag0728.jpg

not exactly what you would have expected though.

Since L.A. impressed me so much I decided to spend another day in, tomorrow morning I am visiting the Sequoia Forest see some big trees and then run as fast as possible to L.A. and enjoy the afternoon in Santa Monica/Venice Beach area. The day after tomorrow is S.D. and then I start heading east. I have no motivation to do so other than Florida (Key West to be more specific).
Ah yeah...Malibu, that is a supre nice place to drive on the coast, and even rural California still has a nice feel, definetly not like say Iowa, South Dakota or Nebraska.

77CDV
08-02-10, 01:52 AM
CA, especially SoCal, really is like no place else. If it were just a bit less crowded and our government wasn't so harebrained, I could see staying, since I'm a native and have lived here all my life. But, finances is finances, and AZ and NV are just a whole lot cheaper to live in. I'll admit I'll miss the sight of the Pacific once I've gone, though.

Kev
08-02-10, 02:18 AM
Most of California is one sort of desert or another, but we have all four seasons here;
Drought, Fire, Mudslide, Earthquake.

I'm a native, I can dig it.

ben.gators
08-02-10, 05:21 AM
Ben.Gators, this is the only picture I have for you...


http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/289/imag0728.jpg

not exactly what you would have expected though.



You remind me my ex-GF! The stuff she was giving me were not the ones I had been expecting! :ill:

ben.gators
08-02-10, 05:39 AM
Just following the discussions in this forum, I can see a lot of people in Arizona, who used to live in CA, but could not afford the very expensive life in CA anymore and moved here. The population of valley is increasing after the real-state prices in CA reached to the sky! You can easily buy a very nice house, I mean a real house with a yard, pool, and couple of bedrooms for about 200,000$ in nice places in Arizona, e.g. Chandler. In California people even can not dream such prices!



Also the other point is California can be very amusing for visitors like me, who just have a touristic trip and never understand the real life problems there. I guess there should be some real challenges like very HEAVY traffic...

Anyway, I am still a California Lover! :D

orconn
08-02-10, 12:32 PM
You have to be a person who likes the desert to live in either Arizona or Nevada. The Summer heat in Pheonix is unbearably hot for me. The municipal landscaping (cement and gravel), while understandable, is a bit too L.A. River for my tastes. I had two sets of relatives who lived in Scottsdale back in the seventies and eighties and I would visit from time to time ... I made the mistake of going over there in July one year. I never made that mistake again!

As for Nevada, I think Nevada is my least favorite state. Something about endless miles of "dun colored hills" and "sophistication" of Las Vegas that doesn't ring mt chimes.

When looking to remove oneself from California's, admittedly costly in many ways, environment there are many more attractive places to consider. Up the Coast for one (although I understand Seattle is no bargain anymore) and ofcourse there are many attractive places to the east.

I am glad I had the opportunity to spend my career years in L.A. But the cost and hassles make living there in retirement a definite downside. We moved to Virginia to be closer to my wife's family and to my son, who after being educated in Virginia seems destined to live here. It is a beautiful state and the people are friendly and civil .... but there are times I miss being in L.A.

Jesda
08-02-10, 03:40 PM
I dislike California as a state. I love it as a piece of land. So gorgeous.

Kev
08-02-10, 03:54 PM
I can't argue with that Jesda.

orconn
08-02-10, 04:27 PM
California suffers greatly from its attempt to be too many things to too many people. The state has carried the American dream to its' true conclusion .... so many people who can't afford even a piece of it, but feel entitled to the dream, making it impossible for all but the very rich to attain that dream .... except when credit is cheap and easy to get! Unfortunately, California has been the precursor for many other parts of the United States and it appears the world!

77CDV
08-02-10, 04:37 PM
Once again, Jesda nails the essence of it.

ben.gators
08-02-10, 04:56 PM
You have to be a person who likes the desert to live in either Arizona or Nevada. The Summer heat in Pheonix is unbearably hot for me. The municipal landscaping (cement and gravel), while understandable, is a bit too L.A. River for my tastes. I had two sets of relatives who lived in Scottsdale back in the seventies and eighties and I would visit from time to time ... I made the mistake of going over there in July one year. I never made that mistake again!

As for Nevada, I think Nevada is my least favorite state. Something about endless miles of "dun colored hills" and "sophistication" of Las Vegas that doesn't ring mt chimes.

When looking to remove oneself from California's, admittedly costly in many ways, environment there are many more attractive places to consider. Up the Coast for one (although I understand Seattle is no bargain anymore) and ofcourse there are many attractive places to the east.

I am glad I had the opportunity to spend my career years in L.A. But the cost and hassles make living there in retirement a definite downside. We moved to Virginia to be closer to my wife's family and to my son, who after being educated in Virginia seems destined to live here. It is a beautiful state and the people are friendly and civil .... but there are times I miss being in L.A.

Yes, indeed I am not a desert type person too! I am just an student at ASU, and will leave this desert after graduation! BTW, scientists are saying that because of large scale planting in the valley, the humidity of the valley has been increasing and it will make the condition even worse! Heat accompanied with higher humidity!!!! It will be a killer!

RippyPartsDept
08-02-10, 06:44 PM
i would just like to echo all the other statements of epic-ness and awesome-ness that is your journey N*Caddy - keep the pictures and updates coming!

Destroyer
08-03-10, 12:46 AM
There is no point in hiding it. I am jealous, I want to do something like this soooo bad. I have a '97 STS so theoretically, I could duplicate this. I would like to leave the bitch and kids at home and embark on a trip like this. Maybe I will.............
TS

iowasevillests
08-03-10, 12:53 AM
Unfortunately, California has been the precursor for many other parts of the United States and it appears the world!

The joys of that state having the 8th largest economy in the world......yes in the world. So whether its good or bad, as california goes....so does a good portion of the world. Personally I'm of the opinion that an earthquake on the San Andreas fault turning california into a massive island wouldn't be all bad....

N*Caddy
08-03-10, 02:48 AM
About 200 miles of both L.A. and S.F. after a pleasant drive trough the rural California you get this...

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1443/imag1001.jpg
Now I am not much of a forest ranger guy, I am more of a sunshine, palm trees, white sand and blue water person, I have never been camping and never will, especially after I saw this guy about 20 yards away earlier today

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1865/imag0964.jpg
Is a bear in the middle of the picture, is kind of difficult to see
But you got to love California, you have EVERYTHING, even the drive on 198 is better than in Colorado (if I may).
I don't see the traffic issue in L.A. comparing with Toronto, actually around 7:00 PM I was doing 88 MPH on 405, that's about the time when I curse my days on DVP in Toronto. Literally from Fresno all the way to Manhattan Beach I did not stopped ONCE in traffic (well except for traffic lights and signs obviously). Is true the gas is $1 more than in Iowa, yes the taxes are about the largest I saw so far in US (maybe Nevada/Las Vegas is over) but I know that back in Toronto the gas is $1 more than in California, I also know the taxes are double than in California and not sure about the houses but you can not buy a house in Toronto under $300K, unless is one of those shacks "handyman's dream".

So back to the car, so far I have 5000 miles witch is about half what I estimated (so I estimated too low), the second oil is at 88% so looks like I may have to do one extra oil change :D.

ben.gators
08-03-10, 03:21 AM
Something inside me is saying that N*Caddys epic journey will end in California and he will marry there and will live there till the end of his life and will never leave there! :D

N*Caddy
08-03-10, 04:02 AM
Something inside me is saying that N*Caddys epic journey will end in California and he will marry there and will live there till the end of his life and will never leave there! :D

AMEN to that!

Got a tip for me?
I would start with a job first, already have a place to stay :)

N*Caddy
08-03-10, 02:47 PM
Ok, I just decided to stay one more day in L.A. there is NO way I am leaving this place today. According to my schedule I was supposed to leave today, but I will just drive like crazy 12 h or more while heading back east towards Florida just to make up for today. I am also planning to spend one day in Florida (another great place) so I consider this too. Unfortunately there is no much time for unpredictable...and I like security. But what the heck you only leave once.

orconn
08-03-10, 04:02 PM
What is legal immigration from Canada like these days? Is it a long involved process?

What type of work do you do?

N*Caddy
08-03-10, 04:18 PM
I am electronics engineer and I worked more than half my career as a computer programmer (Delphi, VB, C#, VB.NET), the rest was electrical designer, I even been a teacher for a year during university.
I believe as long as I find a job and the employer is willing to go through all the hassle (paperwork for work visa) I am good to go. I worked with couple Americans back home at my previous company, even one boss I had was American (they came from US for better money and job).


Now I am off to the beach, witch means I have to open the door go down on one set of stairs to the bicycle trail and walk across the sand.
Last night I ride my bicycle along the beach, even went on Manhattan Pier. :)

JimD
08-03-10, 07:55 PM
What is legal immigration from Canada like these days? Is it a long involved process?....
With emphasis on the legal! !

Immigration from NAFTA members is as easy as it gets. But even that is not easy.

And an employer would be heavily involved in the process to document that a US citizen or resident potential employee with comparable skills is not available. The US Labor Department is in that mix (and the domestic unemployment rate is currently hovering around 10%).

The potential immigrant must apply for a visa from outside the US. There will be a FBI background investigation and when the FBI is involved so is Homeland Security.

The rules changed soon after 9/11/2001, but the Statue of Liberty still welcomes immigrants. Legal immigrants.

N*Caddy:
You are obviously enjoying your trip. And good for you. This country is more diverse than you could ever witness in 3 years, never mind 3 weeks.

orconn
08-03-10, 08:59 PM
N*Caddy, it is very nice to hear someone appreciate my native state for a change. All we Californians normally hear is complaints, and how awful the place is. No doubt California has its problems ... but it also has many pluses.
For instance, I don't remember ever hearing a Californian say he or she wished Iowa would be flushed down the cloaca of the Miississippi, or Galveston would be swept back out into the Gulf. When I moved to Northern Virginia people were always asking me if I missed the weather in California? I was too polite to tell them what I really missed were the people!

N*Caddy
08-03-10, 10:18 PM
Honestly I never considered US as another country, for me US and Canada are about the same I always saw the border more like a formality than anything else. We are about the same, share about the same values, maybe more socially oriented in Canada but not by much. I hear my Canadians talking about “those Americans” in about the same way the Americans talk about Canadians (witch is kind of funny).
Anyhow, I have family in Toronto, I have all my friends in there and I have the perfect job too but even so I would not think twice giving the opportunity to (LEGALLY) move here. I am pretty sure I will go backward money - wise with a job in here but then all the expenses are lower (quite significantly). To be honest I had planed a certain budget for this trip and looks like I may spend less than half that…everything is so darn cheap in here, gas, food, accommodation, tax. I can not believe I can get so much for so little money, nobody tries to rip you off, in Canada if you see something advertised as X amount, once you get the bill if will be twice (there is tax, there is some kind of a fee, plus you can not have X unless you have Y and that’s additional cost).
People of California (and US in general) are misjudged (or maybe I got lucky) but I haven’t see more friendly people than here, I am walking down the streets here in Manhattan Beach and local people say hello as I am passing by, not the case in Canada. So, some guy with a huge necklace tried to sell me some weed (bro’), did not forced me or such, all I had was to politely decline and that was it. Yesterday in Sequoia Forest I, like everybody else, was stopping by every tree, branch and rock to take yet another picture, people noticed I was alone and offered to take me a picture if I want with my own camera to have a memory, did not even have to ask, in the end I was finding the same people as I was stopping “you again, did you see that tree 2 miles down the road…” and generally small friendly talk.

Any how here are some more g a y(ish) pictures from here:

This one is for you Sub, yes I did stopped to smell the roses and the smell is great!

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6769/imag1034.jpg

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4871/imag1035t.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7940/imag1036.jpg

I might end up buying a house in California, is such a beautiful place. I always fiddle with the thought of buying a property in US especially considering the current market prices.

Now about the female population of L.A. (since I noticed it created quite a interest the San Francisco remark).
Well it seems that all those nice girls from S.F. once they passed the mid thirty’s they moved south in L.A.

hueterm
08-03-10, 10:25 PM
Wait till Obama gets done w/us (if he has the chance) -- you won't be able to tell the difference anymore.............

Kev
08-04-10, 12:08 AM
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Destroyer
08-04-10, 12:58 AM
Something inside me is saying that N*Caddys epic journey will end in California and he will marry there and will live there till the end of his life and will never leave there! :D

I thought about how this journey ends. I kinda figured it would be with a blown head gasket, lol.

hueterm
08-04-10, 01:20 AM
Hopefully not in Key West...............

N*Caddy
08-04-10, 01:50 AM
Kev, that song was EXACTLY what I was thinking on little earlier while I was riding my bike from Manhattan Beach all the way to Sunset Blvd. (well close to Sunset Blvd. because at some point in Santa Monica 1/3 mile south of Sunset Blvd. the bike trail ends). In a way I was regretting I forgot my head phones in the car, in a way it was better that way, I rather listen to the ocean...
I can not say enough how beautiful this place is, words can not describe it, at least not the ones I know.
Here is a small glimpse of Santa Monica Pier later in the eve...

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1546/imag1039.jpg
There is this place little south of Venice Beach where the bike trail makes a "U" turn around 2 palm trees, is just ... waw!

Talking about soundrack, here are some of my Californian songs:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5ouOa9k0gE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5ouOa9k0gE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwlogyj7nFE&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwlogyj7nFE&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwE-SLnLkqY&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwE-SLnLkqY&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMwU30Cw5q8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMwU30Cw5q8

This one is kind of the way I feel all the time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zxBwIR7QJA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zxBwIR7QJA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlUKcNNmywk&feature=channel"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlUKcNNmywk&feature=channel


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfnCdINtmy8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfnCdINtmy8

77CDV
08-04-10, 02:57 AM
It's very true that CA is like no other place on earth. Especially in SoCal you literally have every type of climate within a couple hours drive. You've even managed to pick the couple days when the temps here in LA are approaching something like normal Summer (we've had a really cool summer this year, way lower temps than normal). Since you're headed to FL, be prepared: the weather is nothing like CA. FL is not as warm, but it's very humid, and it doesn't cool down as much at night as it does in CA. But, FL has it's own charms, and I think you'll enjoy the contrasts between the Golden State and the Sunshine State.

I'm so glad you're enjoying your road trip across the US. Someday you'll have to come back when you have more time to really see things.

N*Caddy
08-04-10, 03:00 AM
Oh I will come back, mark my words, I WILL COME BACK.
If I make it by pension and I am not yet here, I will spend my pension years in California...I WILL!

It is 1000 times better than I was expecting and I had high expectations to begin with.

hueterm
08-04-10, 03:19 AM
It's very true that CA is like no other place on earth. Especially in SoCal you literally have every type of climate within a couple hours drive. You've even managed to pick the couple days when the temps here in LA are approaching something like normal Summer (we've had a really cool summer this year, way lower temps than normal). Since you're headed to FL, be prepared: the weather is nothing like CA. FL is not as warm, but it's very humid, and it doesn't cool down as much at night as it does in CA. But, FL has it's own charms, and I think you'll enjoy the contrasts between the Golden State and the Sunshine State.

I'm so glad you're enjoying your road trip across the US. Someday you'll have to come back when you have more time to really see things.

And seriously -- the weather between CA and FL is going to suck all manner of ass. Hot, hotter, and then even hotter than that -- with varying degrees of humidity. Once you hit Eastern TX, forget about it....terrible.

N*Caddy
08-04-10, 03:28 AM
If there is ONE thing that I hate most is cold, I despise cold weather, I hate it deeeeeeeply. So hot, hotter, the hottest is excellent for me. I actually found the weather in California (coastal California) kind of cold...but as it was mentioned it was a colder than usual summer. This year was the best year of my life (weather wise), I started the summer earlier in March with my Mexico trip, then two months later when I returned to Canada it was already worm(ish). All I can do is pray for another 2-3 months business trip in another warm place sometimes after September, but that will be to much.


Now I was planing to post this at some point so I may as well do it now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN8kAjbuCIA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN8kAjbuCIA

ben.gators
08-04-10, 03:35 AM
:yeah:

I spent two years of my life in Florida and to be honest no fun! I need to say that I was in Gainesville, a campus city, and it was so boring. The other cities must be (are) more fun than that sucker! When I moved from Gainesville to the middle of desert (Arizona) I was so excited and really enjoyed that transition!!!

Florida have interesting places too and it can be very enjoyable place for some people, but still I can not compare California with Florida!

ben.gators
08-04-10, 03:55 AM
I am electronics engineer and I worked more than half my career as a computer programmer (Delphi, VB, C#, VB.NET), the rest was electrical designer, I even been a teacher for a year during university.
I believe as long as I find a job and the employer is willing to go through all the hassle (paperwork for work visa) I am good to go. I worked with couple Americans back home at my previous company, even one boss I had was American (they came from US for better money and job).




Hey, we are in the same business, I am an electrical engineer too! Right now I am back to school to get my PhD, and then.... hum, maybe come to California and get a job and marry with a californian girl! :D who knows... As far as I see and hear, job market for electrical engineers in California is good. One of my friends who graduated from ASU 3 months ago got a very good job in San Diego in an IC design company. No need to say that major Hardware and Hardware companies are in California.

BTW, sometimes California and more specifically Malibu reminds me Charlie, two and half men! :D Malibu beach house, Mercedes Benz (Initially jag), casual relationships everyday with a different chick, jingle writing, easy money, margarita on the deck, a very good luck in life...... and hell of fun .... :D That is the life in CA... :D

orconn
08-04-10, 12:08 PM
Don't get too carried away with Malibu, ben.gators. Like everywhere else Malibu has its' drawbacks. And living there on an electrical engineer's salary, unless there is an opening in Malibu's one trailer park, would be tight. But there are plenty of other places that you also might like.

The thing about L.A. and I quess other areas of California is that while it is very costly to buy real estate, it is really not all that expensive to rent. Unlike New York City or San Francisco. Also the daily cost of living for food and other daily services is not expensive. Actually, I found that food, restaurants, dry cleaners, etc were actually cheaper in L.A., tham in Northern Virginia and Richmond. )f course that extra 3 1/2% sales tax (over VA's 5%). The climate is different ... it doesn't cool off in the afternoon and evening here as it does in coastal California, but aside from an exceptional cold Winter here it's not all that much colder. I remember three Christmases when it was actually warmer in Virgina than it was in L.A.!

gdwriter
08-04-10, 05:11 PM
Current weather: Los Angeles 81º; Orlando 92º with a heat index of 100º; Miami 88º with a heat index of 97º.

The combination of heat and humidity in Florida is a deal breaker for me. Also a lot more bugs. And hurricanes.

hueterm
08-04-10, 05:16 PM
Try 101 here...ICK.

gdwriter
08-04-10, 05:33 PM
We maybe get a week or two with temps in the high 90s or low 100s. For most of the summer, its high 70s, low 80s. I never liked summer until I moved to Oregon. Here, summers are glorious. I'm willing to tolerate the rain in exchange.

Southern California has ideal weather most of the time, but it's too crowded for my tastes. After 15 years in Phoenix, I no longer feel the need to live in a big city. Portland is only an hour or so away when I need something you can only get in a large city, such as a major airport. And when I've gotten bogged down in traffic there, it makes me happy to live in a city of 8,000 and work in a city of 54,000.

ben.gators
08-04-10, 06:43 PM
Don't get too carried away with Malibu, ben.gators. Like everywhere else Malibu has its' drawbacks. And living there on an electrical engineer's salary, unless there is an opening in Malibu's one trailer park, would be tight. But there are plenty of other places that you also might like.

The thing about L.A. and I quess other areas of California is that while it is very costly to buy real estate, it is really not all that expensive to rent. Unlike New York City or San Francisco. Also the daily cost of living for food and other daily services is not expensive. Actually, I found that food, restaurants, dry cleaners, etc were actually cheaper in L.A., tham in Northern Virginia and Richmond. )f course that extra 3 1/2% sales tax (over VA's 5%). The climate is different ... it doesn't cool off in the afternoon and evening here as it does in coastal California, but aside from an exceptional cold Winter here it's not all that much colder. I remember three Christmases when it was actually warmer in Virgina than it was in L.A.!

Yeah, I know, it was just a joke, Malibu is the place for people like charlie sheen with 2M$ per episode salary! Not for a fresh engineer with 60K-80K$ salary!

77CDV
08-04-10, 07:52 PM
Malibu is a lovely area, but living there is crazy stupid. They get burned out every year with wildfires, then the winter rains wash all the houses off the cliffs into the sea. Except for the houses right on the beach, which just get washed away into the ocean or flooded out by the mudslides from one direction and the Pacific from the other.

Much prefer living the 7 to 10 miles inland like I have all my life. Ocean's still close at hand, but I'm out of harm's way.

It's funny, growing up here in SoCal, I take the presence of the Pacific for granted. It's just...there. When I was travelling across the US one year, I stopped in NM for a night. When I checked out, the kid at the counter revealed that he'd never seen the ocean in person. Ever. I had never before considered the possibility that there were people like that. Then I realized, if you're born and live in the interior of the country and don't travel, you never would have seen the ocean (or a lot of other things). Humbling.

gdwriter
08-04-10, 08:17 PM
I grew up with people who had never been outside of Texas, or if they had, just to Oklahoma or Louisiana, which aren't much of an improvement. Some of them still haven't, and it hasn't even occurred to them that there's a big beautiful world beyond Texas. Which I think is sad. My sister, the one who just left Oregon for Alabama for her husband's next assignment, very much wants to return to Texas, but at least she's been to other parts of the country and has made Texas a conscious choice, not just inertia.

hueterm
08-04-10, 08:44 PM
I'd live in Dallas in a heartbeat...

orconn
08-04-10, 08:54 PM
Ah yes, the infamous five seasons of California .......... draught, flood, earthquake, fire and riot! And it's true those are the five seasons of California, only they don't come annually but rather in seven year cycles.

One of my aunts owned and lived in a two side by side houses, that she combined into one house, right on the beach and also right on PCH, about four doors norht of the Moon Shadows restaurant. It was amusing to fish off of her balcony and the plexiglass elevator gave a good view od the surf and the famous bayshore curve up to Point Mugu ..... spectcular sunsets! But I can remember having my aunt as a guest on too many an occasion because a mudslide had cut off her house from L.A. And then their was the cost of maintaining a house that sat on steel stilts above the pounding surf, and the rocks being hurled through the picture windows during Pacific storms. You gotta to be doing pretty well just to stay even in that environment. Also Malibu is not good girl watching territory, cause they are mostly knob kneed surfer chicks or middle aged nature girls, or hung over party girls trying to get home.

But still Southern California can be a really great place; combining so many pluses of many places around the world in an area that with a little effort can be explored by car! That's what I really loved about L.A.; I could revisit so many cultures I had known while overseas and living around the U.S. and really never have to go to far. And if you really want a change Hawaii was only three hours and a cheap plane ticket away!

Stingroo
08-05-10, 12:40 AM
It's funny, growing up here in SoCal, I take the presence of the Pacific for granted. It's just...there. When I was travelling across the US one year, I stopped in NM for a night. When I checked out, the kid at the counter revealed that he'd never seen the ocean in person. Ever. I had never before considered the possibility that there were people like that. Then I realized, if you're born and live in the interior of the country and don't travel, you never would have seen the ocean (or a lot of other things). Humbling.

It's funny, I'm the same way. I don't really like water, and never think about it. I lived literally a quarter of a mile away from A1A and the beach and never went even though I lived there for 3 years. Went to the beach for the first time in I don't even remember how long yesterday with a few friends from down South. They were amazed that our beach in Hobe Sound has free parking, and I was amazed it wasn't crowded with people.

I think I could get into that beach thing up here... :)

Night Wolf
08-05-10, 01:39 AM
We had a heat index of 115 today, which hasn't dropped below 102 since the Summer started yet.

I've been interested in the West Coast, and never really even considered checking it out until last year or so. I'd like to save up some time and take a trip out there, actually two trips, one with the BMW and stick to the roads and public areas, then another with the Jeep and hit all the amazing places to go wheeling.

Following along with the thread and hearing about LA makes me want to go that much more. I was only in LA once - LAX to switch planes enroute to Hawaii. There was alot of smog, but I'm willing to try again :)

Destroyer
08-05-10, 02:42 AM
Oh I will come back, mark my words, I WILL COME BACK.
If I make it by pension and I am not yet here, I will spend my pension years in California...I WILL!

It is 1000 times better than I was expecting and I had high expectations to begin with.As a Floridian, my guess is that you will think Florida sucks.

77CDV
08-05-10, 02:46 AM
We had a heat index of 115 today, which hasn't dropped below 102 since the Summer started yet.

I've been interested in the West Coast, and never really even considered checking it out until last year or so. I'd like to save up some time and take a trip out there, actually two trips, one with the BMW and stick to the roads and public areas, then another with the Jeep and hit all the amazing places to go wheeling.

Following along with the thread and hearing about LA makes me want to go that much more. I was only in LA once - LAX to switch planes enroute to Hawaii. There was alot of smog, but I'm willing to try again :)

If ever you do come out, drop a me a line. But beware of falling under the spell of the Hotel California! :D

Stingroo
08-05-10, 08:49 AM
As a Floridian, my guess is that you will think Florida sucks.

Florida DOES suck. :lol:

RippyPartsDept
08-05-10, 12:16 PM
Since we're talking about the weather and different locations to live in and around I though that I would throw my hat in the ring.

I took these photos on July 4th while hangin' with a friend who has a place 'on the island.'

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4118/4766272153_922493ccc1_z.jpg
Porch looking at the Atlantic down Stone St.


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4078/4766910886_d74011e915_z.jpg
On the upper porch looking back inland to at the ICWW and Harbor Island.


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4078/4766911954_b14da29e75_z.jpg
On Wrightsville Beach - which from the sounds of the recent conversations is a better place to live than Malibu

Submariner409
08-05-10, 12:35 PM
N*, If you like heat, beaches and history, on your way North from Florida you gotta do a run through Savannah GA out to Tybee, then back out and up 95 to 17 and through Charleston SC, Mt. Pleasant, and Sullivan's Island/Isle of Palms, out and up 17 to 41 to Lumberton NC and 95. Anything farther north of Mt.Pleasant/41 on 17 in the summer is stop&go summer traffic.........

RippyPartsDept
08-05-10, 01:07 PM
We've got the USS North Carolina here in Wilmington, and Fort Fisher (one of the last, if not the last, Confederate port - one of the hotels on the beach is called the Blockade Runner)

- if you're going to take submariner's advice you might as well swing thru my fair city as well

orconn
08-05-10, 01:34 PM
Florida DOES suck. :lol:

Florida is not my cup of tea, but guven a choice between Nevada and Florida .... make mine Florida!

Kev
08-05-10, 03:34 PM
Oh I will come back, mark my words, I WILL COME BACK.
If I make it by pension and I am not yet here, I will spend my pension years in California...I WILL!

It is 1000 times better than I was expecting and I had high expectations to begin with.Yes, the prisons in California are much nicer than other states ..... wait, wut? Oh, you said pension years .........

Ok, nevermind .......

ben.gators
08-05-10, 04:54 PM
My previous guess about N* was true (His desire to stay and live in CA :D)

Now this is my second guess about N*: He has found one more reason to stay in CA! a girl :D So far he has been updating this thread every night, but not last night! So something fishy is going there! I think last night he had more important works to do than sending post.....:bouncy::rolleyes:

N*Caddy
08-05-10, 05:06 PM
Sadly, yesterday I had to leave L.A. as I was driving south towards San Diego following the 101 as much as possible…I can not believe my eyes, it was getting better and better, literally jaw dropping. Can not believe that a place on earth can be so beautiful. Then I end up in San Diego… honestly San Diego was kind of my first choice as a place to live in California, well is just like San Francisco. I went there with great expectations and well it did not quite stood up to my expectations.
I end up in a Wall Mart by the Mexican border and I had to speak Spanish with the cashier. Spanish is a beautiful language but last time I checked I was still in US though.
So mark my words…I WILL come back to L.A. it is the BEST place on earth, Malibu is already to far north for me, but starting from Santa Monica south probably I can not afford Santa Monica nor Venice, but I don’t see why I could not reach El Segundo, Manhattan beach and some places in Huntington Beach.
Any way now I am heading east…uh, and I start seeing some desert. So here are some iterating pictures (not places though)…

Nothing fishy ben...just the WiFi was down to the place I spent the night.


http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5619/imag1068.jpg
Buenas tardes señor, hojas por favor! :)


http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2341/imag1082.jpg

orconn
08-05-10, 05:25 PM
Yes, there will be quite a bit of that kind of scenery between you and the bayous. Although when it comes to desert New Mexico can be quite enchanting! I used to have to go to Santa Fe on business quite a lot (before the complete its' submersion in East Coast effetism). I really enjoyed the "real" New Mexico and would enjoy seeing more of the state. While driving through N.M. be sure to stop to take in (literally) some of the most wonderful air on Earth!

If you are going by Amarillo you might like to try "The Big Texan" restaurant. I used to represent an independent oil company, headquartered in Amarillo, on Wall Street and the CEO and CFO liked to take me there when I was in town. I have to say it is a rather unique experience. Not a big fan of Texas ..... I prefer my Cadillacs in the form of cars and not umongous SUVs!

I ahvenever been to New Orleans, but you should take in some of its' famous restaurants if you go their!

77CDV
08-05-10, 07:15 PM
Although when it comes to desert New Mexico can be quite enchanting!

I think that's why NM is called "The Land of Enchantment"! :lol:

If he headed east out of SD, he's on I-8 and will hook up with I-10 east of Phoenix. From there, he can continue all the way to the Atlantic on I-10, or cut north at Las Cruces, NM, on I-25 and catch I-40. But, since he wants to see the FL keys, my money is he stays on I-10. That will take him right through New Orleans, and it really would be a shame to miss the French Quarter, at the very least. Must. Have. Beignets. :drool:

You will be very glad your STS has a working AC as you traverse the Gulf Coast. The humidity is literally murderous right now.

Stingroo
08-05-10, 08:09 PM
^ I can attest to that. Our heat index the other day was 115. Stay safe and drink plenty.

77CDV
08-05-10, 08:54 PM
How are you all surviving down there right now, Roo?

ben.gators
08-05-10, 09:51 PM
^ I can attest to that. Our heat index the other day was 115. Stay safe and drink plenty.

Your heat index is 115, but hear it is really 115 F!

Stingroo
08-05-10, 10:05 PM
Yeah but Ben, here we have 80% plus humidity. LOL

Craig: simple. The wagon has R12. :)

Destroyer
08-05-10, 10:35 PM
Current weather: Los Angeles 81º; Orlando 92º with a heat index of 100º; Miami 88º with a heat index of 97º.

The combination of heat and humidity in Florida is a deal breaker for me. Also a lot more bugs. And hurricanes.

This is the shittiest weather I think I have seen in the 18 years I've lived in Florida short of a hurricane (which I have yet to experience and am wondering why I even mentioned that because now I'm sure I will, lol). It's been hotter than hell (feels like temperature: 105). I took my 'vert '67 Cutlass out the other day for about an hour and regretted every minute of it. Pouring sweat at every stoplight. I would not visit this hell hole right now if given a choice.

Stingroo
08-05-10, 10:37 PM
Yeah, Destroyer this is the hottest I ever remember it being.

Though I have been through quite a few hurricanes myself... the worst being Wilma. That one took down our pool enclosure, our shed, and a big ass ficus tree. All told damages were about $20k. That's when we decided to GTFO and move further north in FL. lol

orconn
08-06-10, 12:22 AM
Virginia has experienced its' hottest June and July on record this year, with hottest day at 106 and many days over 100 degrees. With the heat index's humidity figured in we have gone for weeks at over 100 degrees F.

The highest temperature in Los Angeles that I ever experienced was 117 degrees F on the Venture Freeway out in the San Fernando Valley. That was temperature recorded on the Audi's outdoor temp quage, I was hoping the car would self distruct, but no such luck!

The highesr temperature I have ever personally experienced was 129 degrees on the shore of the Red Sea in a place called Massaua, Eritrea. I don't care to have that experience again.

But ofcourse the high temperatures in L.A. and Eritrea were accompanied by faily low humidity.

N*Caddy
08-06-10, 02:29 AM
Very disappointed with today’s progress, only 580 miles. I did not taken in account the fact that I am heading east thus I am losing every day one hour. So no more sleeping up to 8:00 AM, 6:30 AM and quicker out the door. I can not believe I did not even make-it to El Paso.
Here are some of the today’s pictures:
First thing I returned again in Arizona after Nevada and California (technically I spent the night still in California):


http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/11/imag1075.jpg

Then here are some more cactus pictures…impressive


http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3929/imag1093.jpg

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1797/imag1110.jpg

At some point I entered into New Mexico…and where is the desert, where is the sand, where are the vast empty fields? All I saw was rain every 5 miles and temperatures in the low 70’s


http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/35/imag1114.jpg

Now Arizona…well that was a whole different story, I had temperatures in the high 90’s and half the time I had the A/C off, as the car was quite happy to go 222*F with the A/C on. I believe Phoenix was where I saw 228 *F while driving slowly behind some van.
Every time I was (being) slowing down and my radiator was obstructed by the car in front temperature up, so off with the A/C. So most of the time I was looking for “breathing” space changing lanes to have some clearance in front.
Statistics…my Hollywood oil is down to 71%, the gas mileage is up to 22MPG after a low 19.6 MPG when I left San Diego, and not sure about average speed but should be up too as I did most of New Mexico with 90 MPH.


http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9125/imag1121.jpg
Notice the simetry!


Probably I will not be able to do Texas in one day but at least Houston is I good target. I am behind the plan almost 1 day but hope I recup that by the time I get to Florida.

Oh, did I mention how much I loved California? :bouncy: I remember as I was heading closer and closer to Yuma I got a feeling that I am going to a strange place (like going away from home), very strange...

77CDV
08-06-10, 03:07 AM
The reason for the rain and erratic temps in NM is that this is monsoon season. It seems odd, but the desert gets most of it's rain in the summer due to the tropical moisture that comes up from the Gulf of Mexico and the Pacific. And, after looking at your pics, I really have to say that I MISS ARIZONA!!!!!! :(

That temperature spiking is not good. How are your headgaskets?

ben.gators
08-06-10, 03:31 AM
WOW, 150 MPH! It was your limiter than keeps the speed at 150MPH?

To be honest, there will be no fun like you had in CA in your trip for at least couple of days, till you arrive FL and GA and there you may have some sort of fun!

By the way, when I go CA, retuning back to Arizona I really feel bad. The first reason is there no way to compare CA with AZ, CA is awesome! The second is when you enter CA from AZ there are two lines of CA officers in two side of your car, and they stare at you and if they feel some thing is suspicious they will immediately ask you to pull over for further inspection.

But when you want to enter AZ from CA there is no inspection, you can floor your gas and enter with 150MPH! I feel like a citizen of second world!

N*Caddy
08-06-10, 11:00 AM
No, that is 150Km/h (~88MPH) my dash is metric-Canada.
Actually in California I stopped to ask two border officers how (and if is legal) to get close to the fence for a picture. They were very very helpful, they guided me what road to take and told me that the last 100 yards of the rad is dirt road but I should not be worried because is is well mained and "even this car" should have no problem. Also they warned me that I may be retained for about 15 minutes by the patrol in that area, but not to worry about, they will just ask me to produce some documents "you are not going to be arrested or anything".
Really nice people, I was actaully deasapointed the border patrol did not came after me (I saw them watchimg me from 200 yards away up on a small hill). I really wanted to have a picture with me by the fence...oh well I still get close to the border in few hours so maybe I get my picture after all.
In Arizona...man I have't see so much police on the HWY as in Arizona, but most if not all is concerned with the border not the HWY.
I saw in Arizona there was one HWY control point on the west bound close to California, and then I went throug one control point on the eastbound at some point approaching New Mexico. But it was just a formality, the oficer asked me "are you from Canada?", "That's right sir", ok on your way. Now in New Mexico again as I am getting closer and closer to the border I started seeing more and more Border Control Cars.

Stingroo
08-06-10, 11:10 AM
lol Man, I was really tripped out by your speedometer up first. I was like "Oh, cool, Z-rated STS? Wait a minute... what the hell?"

Then I realized you were Canadian. :lol:

I hope you're really enjoying your trip as much as the photos describe. My girlfriend is a native Canadian as well, and I would love to take her on a trip like this (albeit with more time to stop in between destinations). How much have you spent on gas so far?

mhamilton
08-06-10, 11:19 AM
What if you change the IP from metric to English, will the speedo still read in km/h?

N*Caddy
08-06-10, 11:30 AM
What if you change the IP from metric to English, will the speedo still read in km/h?
It will show the same thing but the numbers will mean miles (so will never pass 150).

noahsdad
08-06-10, 11:22 PM
N*, just found this thread and read it from page 1 to here. Just gotta say, go brother. You're livin' the dream of a lot of us old farts who barely take our Caddies past the city limit sign - and we're livin' it vicariously through this thread. Oh sure, I did road trips back in the day, but nothing even approaching this. So keep following that wreath and crest, and keep sending up photos. There's a bunch of us back home who are loving every mile of the ride with you.
BTW, if you do get to New Orleans, grab a Hurricane at Pat O'Briens, treat yourself to dinner at Arnaud's, and fresh chicory coffee and beignets at the French Market in the morning. Laissez Les Bon Temps Roulez!

N*Caddy
08-07-10, 01:55 AM
Well this morning I entered Texas:

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8016/imag1134.jpg
Giddyup!

And after that ... well there is not much to mention about Texas, nothing to see. Gas eventually 40 mile west from Dallas got down to $2.55, before was almost California price...and the worst part NO WIFI, I was unable to find ONE single place that has WIFI. The hotels are kind of pricey and most don't have Internet access. Eventually I managed to locate one (the most expensive in the area) that has WIFI. Prices are in the range of L.A. by the beach! What gives, what is here to offer?
Plus it was pouring in Dallas so I can say I made the trip to Dallas for nothing, could not see more than 10 yards in front. NOT a good day.
At least I managed to make some miles, 750 to be exact witch is about 75 miles more than the best so far (and I had to change the time - so basically I lost one hour). Yes about 300 miles from these 750 were 80 MPH speed limit, yes the roads are kind of OK, but there is nothing to see, and the other 450 miles were 70 MPH speed limit (not exciting). Tomorrow before noon I should be in Houston, hopefully Houston will rebuild my Texas image.
Statistics:
My Hollywood oil 61% (last time I checked, may little lower now I am guessing 59%).
Average speed 57 MPH (going up)
Gas mileage 23.5 MPG (going up)
I should have by now almost 7000 miles.
I am only about 250 mile behind my plan so far, if I get another 750 miles day like today I should be back on schedule, I have high hopes for Florida (although I noticed some of you are not on the same idea).

First car issue, I just noticed my passenger side low beam is off. I am guessing is the fuse, it does that once in a blue moon, since in the last 50 miles I was stopping to every single hotel/motel (only to find out there is no Internet), probably turning the car on and off so many times with the laptop connected to one cigarette lighter, the phone charging from another cigarette lighter and the GPS on yet another cigarette lighter, plus stereo on and HVAC fan + starter I guess the voltage dropped while cranking and the igniter tried to turn the headlamp on in the same time thus low voltage same wattage = larger current thus fuse puff. Not sure I will find out tomorrow, but my money are on the fuse.

Man I really, really, really miss California...

77CDV
08-07-10, 02:47 AM
San Antonio is kinda pretty. Other than that, the Lone Star State is firmly in fly-over territory.

ben.gators
08-07-10, 02:57 AM
Just pass the Texas as fast as you did in Arizona. Nothing special! BTW, how many huge lifted trucks do you see around? :D

Stingroo
08-07-10, 09:07 AM
Oh no no don't get the wrong idea from us; Florida LOOKS nice. And if you're just passing through or visiting, it IS. But if you live here, it's not. :lol: And I hope you can deal with humidity. This year is one of the hottest I can ever remember - if not THE hottest.

N*Caddy
08-07-10, 10:50 AM
Just pass the Texas as fast as you did in Arizona. Nothing special! BTW, how many huge lifted trucks do you see around? :D
Hah! Funny you mentioned that, I was impressed with the amount of full size trucks or SUVs on the road, I mean a regular car (sedan) was quite a rare view, and If you see one is not a Mazda 3 or Dodge Neon, is a full size one. Even in the truck range nobody drives a F150, is a F250, or larger.
In Dallas I passed some guy driving a Yugo or what ever crap was that, it was so out of place. Even girls are in some Chevy Traverse or GMC Yukon...this ain't the hybrid vehicles state for sure.

RippyPartsDept
08-07-10, 11:25 AM
N* - hey, i just noticed this on twitter just now http://twitter.com/GMblogs/statuses/20551604393 "Near Houston? Stop by and meet #GM employees at one of 3 local dealers. http://www.eventbrite.com/event/769435402 "

looks like the caddy dealer is right off of I-45 http://www.tompeacockcadillac.com/HoursAndDirections

N*Caddy
08-07-10, 11:37 AM
N* - hey, i just noticed this on twitter just now http://twitter.com/GMblogs/statuses/20551604393 "Near Houston? Stop by and meet #GM employees at one of 3 local dealers. http://www.eventbrite.com/event/769435402 "

looks like the caddy dealer is right off of I-45 http://www.tompeacockcadillac.com/HoursAndDirections

2 comments I have for them:
1. Put the Cadillac 16 in production
2. Give us back the Eldorado
Today I am aiming for Pensacola though…

Edit...
Car issue fixed, it was indeed the fuse.

hueterm
08-07-10, 11:59 AM
I'd watch the no headlight thing...you might end up w/a ticket from a greedy cop...

RippyPartsDept
08-07-10, 03:37 PM
N* - the CTC (C-series Touring Coupe aka the CTS Coupe) is the replacement for the Eldo - the name has been retired... just like Deville and Seville were retired. Since at least their recent body-style updtes the DTS stands for D-series Touring Sedan and STS means S-series Touring Sedan.

full explanation here: http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-forum/t-47236.html

hueterm
08-07-10, 04:05 PM
The CTS coupe is NO Eldorado..... The Eldorado never prayed at the design alter of the ricer....

orconn
08-07-10, 05:02 PM
In case nobody has noticed the "CTC" looks like a hatchback .... along the lines of the infamous Mercedes 230 Sport Coupe. Not at all a successor to the Eldorado. If that is what Cadillac is saying they are in serious need of new management.

Build the "Sixteen" as a V-8 coupe and call it "Eldorado." Anything less is just wishful thinking!

hueterm
08-07-10, 05:12 PM
^^ THANK you!

Stingroo
08-07-10, 05:13 PM
Oh my god! Orconn that's the greatest idea I think I've heard all week.

noahsdad
08-07-10, 06:57 PM
With the government pulling the strings at GM, we're not likely to see much innovation other than Volt clones for awhile. Nice to dream though. Imagine taking an Eldo-sixteen on this road trip!

N*Caddy
08-08-10, 02:39 AM
I have to point out that no matter what Cadillac claims that is NO ELDORADO. As for the CTS, I forgot to mention while on the salt in Bonneville, there was something that looked like a organized team (had a huge tent and, about 5-7 people and few vehicles) testing a CTS-V, when I got back to the end of the run me and the CTS-V went around one to the other, we both finished a run.

Now today…Houston, indeed is the better part of Texas, but is no Dallas though, you can feel is a smaller place. After Houston YES finally vegetation as I was approaching the Gulf. Probably you can tell that I am a bit of a water bird myself so lush green vegetation is a very beautiful image in my eyes. Port Arthur, Rainbow Bridge, well is nothing but refineries and such but the vegetation and the water is nice:


http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2971/imag1159.jpg

So normally I found Louisiana very beautiful, honestly is my second favorite place after California so far (I have high hopes for Florida though).


http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2281/imag1160.jpg

This is the second time I am passing over the Mississippi River, last time I saw it was a lot smaller.


http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2254/imag1173.jpg

Then I got into New Orleans…WOW now that is a very beautiful place, people are stylish (kind of like San Francisco), girls are nice (same like San Francisco), they dress nice (different than San Francisco but at least as nice). For some reason all seem to prefer white but again nice and stylish. The downtown New Orleans is nice, now this other than California is a place where I would return for sure.


http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8591/imag1181.jpg

The I ended up the day in Mississippi, kind of too late.


http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6461/imag1190.jpg

Is some kind of Louisiana with lot more people and very expensive for some reason, I am planning to take the US90 along the Gulf (I haven’t see the gulf yet) and tomorrow while going in Alabama you all know what I am going to listen.

Did not managed to cover 700+ miles but 680 is good enough. All but oil are about the same like yesterday (oil now is 51%). Boy I love the accent of the lady from the reception desk here is so funny.

As I mentioned I really miss California, but New Orleans is no bad either.

mhamilton
08-08-10, 10:50 AM
Damn... you are just burning up the asphalt! :)

I know I could never drive that much... I was just contemplating a 500 mile trip next week (done NC to NJ many times before), but canned it in favor of a 1 hour airplane ride lol

Submariner409
08-08-10, 11:04 AM
New Orleans - Many of those "girls" you liked to look at are not girls.

orconn
08-08-10, 01:10 PM
Damn... you are just burning up the asphalt! :)

I know I could never drive that much... I was just contemplating a 500 mile trip next week (done NC to NJ many times before), but canned it in favor of a 1 hour airplane ride lol

You were actually willing to pay money to go to New Jersey! I have had to do the same but it was never willingly.

mhamilton
08-08-10, 03:04 PM
You were actually willing to pay money to go to New Jersey! I have had to do the same but it was never willingly.

Why, what ever do you mean? Every day is a holiday in New Jersey ;)

LOL, one way or another I'll be paying to go there. Fighting through DC-Baltimore-Turnpike drivers (risking my life and my car) to drive there, verses a quick hop in a turboprop...

orconn
08-08-10, 04:28 PM
Actually the bad drivers/bad traffic starts just south of Fredericksburg, except in the Summer when it starts south of Richmond and remains miserably congested till you reach well north of Boston. If you are going north from the deep South probably the best way is to pick up a coastal cruise ship in Savanah and have it drop you off in Portland, Maine!

Submariner409
08-08-10, 05:42 PM
Yeah, that.................You DO NOT want to be anywhere near Rt.95 in or around Richmond, DC, or Baltimore from 0500 Friday morning to 2300 Sunday night - If you can stay away from the central East Coast between 5 AM Friday to 11 PM Sunday, do it. The Jersey Turnpike and Garden State Parkway (both toll roads) are no fun on weekends in the summer, either. The drivers and congested beach traffic make road trips tense and disappointing.

orconn
08-08-10, 06:13 PM
Actually, the Garden State Parkway and New Jersey Turnpikes are never a treat. My best advice is get at least 50 miles off the coast when going north or south through the Mid-Atlantic states .... unless you just have to see historical sights. I believe Interstate 81, which by-passes the east coast major metroplitan cities will get you north to a point you can veer off back to Canada.

If you liked Southern California you won't miss anything by by-passing Richmond, DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York and Boston. The 95 corridor is very industrial, and to my eyes "ugly," further inland up the Appalachians is much less conjested and much, much prettier ride.

If you want "leg stretcher" stops Interstate 81 has plenty that are easy to get into and out of without much delay.
One such is Lexington, Virginia whis is a nice town and home to Washington and Lee University and the Virginia Military Institute ... both very picturesque and with excellent small museums. Lexington is just a brief jog off 81. You will be going through the beautiful Shenandoah Valley which was where many battles of the American Civil War took place. The area of central Pennsylvania that you will passing through is also scenic and has the Gettysburg Battlefield to offer.

ben.gators
08-08-10, 07:12 PM
New Orleans - Many of those "girls" you liked to look at are not girls.

I did not get this part sub, clarification please! :D

Submariner409
08-08-10, 07:49 PM
New Orleans = Shemales.

Post #238 is truth.............

Ranger
08-08-10, 10:25 PM
Hehe, trannies, and he ain't talk'in transmissions.

N*Caddy
08-08-10, 10:34 PM
Well if those girls I saw were shemales fine by me :)
Actually I am really, really kidding because I am very sure they were the real deal no hidden stuff.

iowasevillests
08-09-10, 01:02 AM
This truly is an epic trip, keep us posted on the progress, we're all living vicariously through you!

N*Caddy
08-09-10, 01:25 AM
Ok, today…
In the morning I reached Alabama - sweet home Alabama. I really enjoyed the local accent in Mississippi and Alabama, is fun.


http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/8454/imag1192.jpg

Since Alabama has a small Gulf opening I did not even noticed when it went, so I end up in Florida


http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/1054/imag1196.jpg

Man is a long drive Florida… really long, originally I was planing to stick to the coast witch gave me the opportunity to take some great shots of the Gulf, ah…water, boats, marine birds, I like that.


http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/652/imag1202.jpg

But then I figured out that maybe is not such a great idea to go trough all those traffic lights so I bailed out on I10 - not necessarily a good move, damn it was so much traffic, and as I discovered they drive just like in Ontario: two cars in parallel 10 miles below the speed limit so there is NO way to pass. I floored the car at least 100 times as I was getting a small opening only to end up behind yet another 2 cars driving in parallel.
At some point I end up behind a truck with police style flashing lights who I presume was some retired officer or what ever the heck was (pardon my French), but this guy was driving in parallel with a truck towing a trailer doing about 10 miles bellow the speed limit and every time somebody was approaching to pas it was flashing the lights. Eventually I got pissed off driving behind this $#*%#& there I said it :nono: so I pulled out on a side road just north from Tampa. At the end of the day I got a SUPER nice place here in Tampa. I can not believe how nice it is for not much money, basically I have an apartment, a pool and nice appliances for WAY, WAY less than say what I paid last night in Mississippi. Now the two girls I shared the pool earlier with may influenced my good impression for this place (and Sub…I can guarantee they are real-deal girls :thumbsup:). Still can imagine what was in Mississippi to offer (area wise) for those prices, I was by the HWY with a gas station view…Not to mention the place had a huge bullet proof window by the reception desk like I was in some war zone.
So obviously I did not liked Mississippi except for the gas prices ($2.55) same like in Louisiana. Florida is pricier (gas wise) $2.69 (at least so far). I also have hard time to find 93 gas, since Texas I am only running on 93 (I discovered Exxon has 93 at the same price as the others charge for 91), not that I see any difference.
Impressions…did I mentioned I really loved California, also found Louisiana very interesting (especially New Orleans), not impressed AT ALL so far about Florida…at least until here in Tampa. Tampa is kind of nice but that’s pretty much it. So far Florida let me with the impression that is the kind of place you come if you can’t afford California, is the Chevy vs. Cadillac. I still have HUGE hopes for the south Florida (especially Key West and I am sure I will not be disappointed).

Statistics…I am over 4000 miles on my Hollywood oil (and 43%), only 625 miles today but I AM BACK on schedule, my average speed and MPG went down do to the I10 traffic. Now I am looking for an oil change better sooner than later, other than that all good.

Ah! FINALY I am done changing the time zone; I really hate to loose one hour each day...

ben.gators
08-09-10, 01:49 AM
The discussions in this thread reminds me this ad:D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HjaqTu0TeY

Destroyer
08-09-10, 01:54 AM
If you are in the Tampa/Clearwater area, you are welcome to stop by!!!!!!!!

ben.gators
08-09-10, 01:55 AM
So far Florida let me with the impression that is the kind of place you come if you can’t afford California, is the Chevy vs. Cadillac.

Hum, I always think it is Buick VS. Cadillac. Ask Chad if you do not believe me... :D

N*Caddy
08-09-10, 02:03 AM
If you are in the Tampa/Clearwater area, you are welcome to stop by!!!!!!!!

I am 25 miles south of you in Gulfport area.
I can spare one hour tomorrow morning if you want to meet (PM contact details). Know any good oil change shop in the area?

Destroyer
08-09-10, 02:11 AM
I am 25 miles south of you in Gulfport area.
I can spare one hour tomorrow morning if you want to meet (PM contact details). Know any good oil change shop in the area?
I usually get oil changes at Walmart. I will be in Clearwater in the early morning but am leaving for Sarasota around 9 am to pick up my new work van.

N*Caddy
08-09-10, 02:21 AM
I usually get oil changes at Walmart. I will be in Clearwater in the early morning but am leaving for Sarasota around 9 am to pick up my new work van.

9 AM may be when I open the door first time (actually little earlier)...although I should live earlier tomorrow I meet somebody in Miami and then is Key West (everybody warned me about the bad traffic to Key West). I will try an Walmart, last time I went to Walmart in Canada for car service I was refused "we don't do luxury cars"?!?!
But we can meet in Sarasota, I see is in my way (for example one of the Walmarts).