: The Original Fleetwood SS FINAL mileage 357,610... RIP

06-21-10, 01:15 PM
The good news first... NO INJURIES! My son Thomas was driving and he is fine, not even sore.

A 2010 Camry traveling from the opposite direction attempted to make a left turn in front of him at full speed and drastically mis judged.








06-21-10, 01:22 PM
Dude I could almost cry. That's SO shitty. That's the car that got me more interested in the B and D bodies. :(

Hope the Camry driving prick tastes airbag for the rest of his life. What a piece of crap. How do you misjudge a turn THAT BADLY?!

Some people really shouldn't be allowed to drive.

06-21-10, 01:25 PM
That sucks. At least he's fine.

Are you going to keep the car, for the parts, to try and build another one? It looks like a lot of damage, but if the frame is straight and there is no mechanical damage, you might be able piece it back together. Either way, it would be shame for the insurance company to just take it away.

06-21-10, 01:45 PM
Glad no one was hurt, sorry about the damage to your car - - looks like you put plenty of blood, sweat, and tears into that special car. All the best to you moving forward and we're all here for you if you need anything.

06-21-10, 02:13 PM
breaks my heart to see any cadillac crushed like that...especially a nice one like yours.

Glad your son wasn't hurt but I wish the prick driving the toyota would have been hurt. not killed, just cripped for ever.

06-21-10, 07:31 PM
thankfully no injuries!

another testament to the safety of these last real cadillacs

357k, wow did the motor ever require any work?

i just sold my black 94, and some thought the mileage was high at 188k lol

ive seen a bunch of these lt1 fleetwoods with 300k+miles

sorry for the loss, hope it works our good with the insurance company...

06-21-10, 07:32 PM
Ssstealth....glad to hear your son is OK, shame about the car....

that your son can walk away unscathed says a lot about the strength of the Cadillac....

trashed as it is I bet it looks better than the Camry.

Outsider.....shameful as it may be to trash out a nice Caddy like that I think your a bit over the top with your wishes for the driver of the other car...

they, after all are someone's son / brother / father etc....

06-21-10, 07:32 PM
Surely most of the SS bits could be salvaged?

06-21-10, 07:58 PM
Save that interior! For the love of god please! I loved that about the car the most. Really cool mod with the two passenger side seats + Riviera console.

06-21-10, 08:52 PM
Good grief that is a lot of damage. Did the Camry even touch the brakes??? Thankfully everyone is unhurt. Cars can be replaced, people can't. As said, I would try to keep the car and salvage as much as possible. 357k miles? That's impressive!

06-21-10, 10:40 PM
Really glad everybody is alright. If your son was driving anything else, he may have been seriously injured or worse. Another great reason to love Cadillac if they saved your son's life.

What the driver in the Camry was doing is BEYOND me, but after that, I really hope they have a good reason why their license SHOULDN'T be taken away. Another reason to hate Toyota anyone?

Agreed. Never sen this car, but she IS Beautiful. Liking the custom interior layout, maybe she will live on in some form.

This is what happens when some cheap, easily-replaced car manages to entangle something rare extraordinary in it's demise and somehow, the insurance companies tend to value both cars as relatively the same in spite of somebody's obvious negligence.

Anyhow, after seeing that car, I can tell the Camry was going excessively fast to be in that kind of accident and basically hit your car dead-on and we're all glad that in spite of this, everyone is alright, even the driver of the other car, though I doubt they got out completely unscathed, by hitting the side of the car that way they may have well saved their own life.

06-21-10, 10:53 PM
Bummer!!! Glad your son is ok....

06-21-10, 10:54 PM
That'll buff out.

Glad everyone is OK, though.

06-22-10, 07:27 PM
I hope the insurance company doesn't use the mileage to value the car.

06-22-10, 09:50 PM
Wow sorry to hear this, glad your son is ok. Your car was one of the one's that made me realize how great the Fleetwoods are.

06-24-10, 12:41 AM
MAN, I'm sorry, sir.

06-24-10, 08:48 AM
I guess it would not be so bad except the car only has 3317 miles since we completely rebuilt it. Some of the parts we bought for it were the last ones in existence even so it can not be redone.




These shots were taken last June when the car was finished, at least proving mileage and condition. I am stressed about how the other insurance company will treat this. I have a stated value policy but since it was the other guy's fault it may not be considered. The receipts for the last 18 months are over $7000.00. I fully expect a really stupid offer from them.

06-24-10, 10:24 AM
It's 99.999999% perfect. :(

All you needed to do was multiply that hitch cover by 8. ;)

06-24-10, 11:32 AM
All I can say is that sucks. It really saddens me.

06-24-10, 11:34 AM
the cockpit shot looks like a racing game or something.

Man I would have loved to have a car like that. :D

06-24-10, 02:37 PM
Glad your son is OK! That's a real shame that your car had to go this way :(

06-24-10, 10:10 PM
So sorry to hear about this. At least your son was okay, that's what really matters.

06-27-10, 08:54 AM
I had seen some shots of your ride before . It makes me upset to see such a beaty crashed down but good thing your son was ok .If he drove something else he might have injured badly .

06-27-10, 02:03 PM
All you needed to do was multiply that hitch cover by 8. ;)

Not understanding this reference, I will interject that you needed to multiply it by 222.

This is the first time I have ever seen this car on here, which is especially sad since she has met her end. While I am not big on modern cars and never particularly liked the Cadillacs from that era, I must say this is a beautiful example of TIMELESS luxury and style. It is heartbreaking to think that she will not see the road again, but as I already stated, she saved your Son and left our presence with honour.

06-28-10, 05:37 PM
Hey, glad I popped on. After the ins company totals the car out... BUY it BACK!! They're willing to do that, and for pennies on the dollar. A friend of mine had his car crushed by a light pole just a few months after he rebuilt it. They gave him $2500 for the car, which he bought back for around $200 and then used it as a parts car for a replacement 89 Brougham. The engine and tranny later got transplanted to the second car, and he's had this one for like 3 years now.

06-28-10, 07:58 PM
Correction, he got 3800 for the car as his payout, and he paid $38 to get the carcass. Yes, thirty-eight.

06-28-10, 10:59 PM
so, ssstealth, can the car be repaired?

I understand the car is busted to sh!t, but is the frame bent? Is the engine destroyed? Is anything vital other then the body and doorglass affected?

06-30-10, 12:43 PM

The fun has started... First off Thomas did wind up going in to get looked at once a couple days passed and soreness set in. It looks like he might have some torn muscles in his shoulder. Luckily, his military benefits shine in this department and he will have no issues getting proper care.

As for the car, the initial estimates are about $8000.00 to get it fixed with qualifiers that some required parts may not be available... This leads me to believe they will total it.

The search is now on for a replacement. All leads are appreciated. The best candidate will of course be a superior condition 94-96 Fleetwood Brougham with a steel top. From there we can transplant salvaged parts over to it. The VIN decoder shows only 2334 of these built in 94 so that may be tough.

06-30-10, 01:05 PM
Maybe Jim might have one or know of one? I bought my 1995 silver fleetwood brougham with hard top from him :)

06-30-10, 01:18 PM
Is it too hard to delete the vinyl top? You'd definitely have more options that way.

06-30-10, 01:26 PM
Is it too hard to delete the vinyl top? You'd definitely have more options that way.

It can be done but it is not easy. The rear glass is different and has been discontinued, the rubber seal around that glass has been discontinued, and the roof rail filler pieces have been discontinued. This means used pieces must be located and good donors are next to impossible to find. Even then, you would have to do some body work and paint to deal with molding pins and screw holes.

06-30-10, 02:13 PM
Yeah, lots of work. I eventually would like to do the V-delete to my 87 caddy but I don't know if I'll ever get around to it. My girlfriend wants to buy it from me so we'll see :)

Anyways, keep an eye on craigslist and ebay. I'll do the same for you.

06-30-10, 02:15 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadillac-Fleetwood-R1P-Black-Black-Hotrod-1994-Cadillac-Fleetwood-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem35aa7d0748QQitemZ23049 3587272QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

06-30-10, 02:34 PM
Oh yes! That one is very promising and even a forum member. I will watch it and see if insurance can settle before it ends.

06-30-10, 02:52 PM
:O It belongs to a forum member? Cool!

07-01-10, 07:53 AM
I'll sell you mine for 7... Advantages, the motor's already a bit souped up. I've got spare parts, go fast goodies, etc. Disadvantage, the body's got a bit of damage on the passenger side, both quarter panels from separate incidents.
Go fast and extra parts included. RAISS cold air intake, 218/224 cam, beehive valvsprings, built transmission with Johnny Winters 2800 stall converter, Clear IMage Budget Headers, LT1 Edit done by me, and I'd include the disc and all my tweaks over time. Seats from an 04 GTO, the original cam in a box. I might have some other stuff in boxes. Motor has about to be 160k on it. I don't totally like the idea of selling, but I could use the money to bring back my 73 Lincoln, and turn that into my daily for a time.

07-10-10, 08:38 PM
Shadow, PM some pics to me...

07-10-10, 11:16 PM
What was specific to the Fleetwood Touring Sedan? That center console is awesome. Is it factory or custom?

07-11-10, 01:11 AM
It wasn't an actual "touring sedan" Those are badges he put on. The center console is from a Buick Riviera.

I read the build thread for this car on the Impala SS forums. It was like, the Fleetwoods all Fleetwoods aspire to be. Truly a masterpiece.

I kid you not.

07-11-10, 01:14 AM
So it seems. The fab work is awesome. That console looks like it was put there by the factory.

07-13-10, 08:20 AM
I went to extreme lengths to build everything with GM parts to maintain that this could and should have been a factory option package.

08-11-10, 03:51 PM
Well, the Fleetwood made it home on the back of a semi. After looking at it in the daylight, I don't think it will be saved. The biggest hit was in the A post and it looks to be buckled. It is hard to tell since 3 of the 4 doors will not open. It looks like the best I will be able to do is salvage the good bits and start over with a good steel top Brougham.







08-11-10, 03:53 PM
still some good parts on the old beast! any luck finding a new recipient?

08-11-10, 05:45 PM
Wow. That's upsetting. :(

Hope you find the right donor to start over.

08-12-10, 09:02 PM
I haven't been a big fan of these older Fleetwoods in the past, but that one was CLEAN. I am so sorry to read of your loss. :( I only hope something good can come of this travesty.

08-13-10, 01:54 PM
I tell you that car interior is a beauty, my condolences for your loss man...

Lord Cadillac
08-13-10, 02:04 PM
It's great that your son wasn't hurt... But boy does this suck... :(

08-22-10, 11:18 AM
UPDATE: Insurance has settled the claim. It was a lot of work but they finally agreed to more than 4 times their original offer, basically paying for actual repair cost ($7552), 17 days of rental car and towing. The buyback on the car was very reasonable so I now have the task of retrieving all of the good bits from her.

NEXT: The choice now is to either use the good parts and build again from a low mileage, steel top, tan interior Fleetwood OR sell the parts to help someone complete their project. So now I ask your help in gauging interest or finding a donor.

The parts I will retrieve:

New carpet (cut for center console)
Console and shifter, cable, brackets, and custom glove box door
Bucket Seats
Rear deck A/V panel with speakers, subs, amp, and LED stop lamp
New Steering wheel, cruise switch, and turn signal machanism
Rear disc brake assemblies, lines, slotted rotors
Springs and sway bars
Touring Sedan emblems
Hood (No ornament)
LT1 engine and transmission
Clear Image headers and cats
New radiator, condenser, compressor, etc






08-22-10, 04:25 PM
Rebuild rebuild!

I'll start checking around here for a good steel top Brougham.

08-22-10, 07:16 PM
how are the rims?

08-22-10, 08:37 PM
The rims are all scarred from the wreck except for one. They would make good drag racing rims but are no longer suitable for show.

Here is today's progress:



Removing the doors and carpet confirmed just how bad the damage is. The floor pan is buckled under the driver's feet and the right rear door. The A and B pillars are both buckled on the driver side and the entire body is shifted over about 2" at the rear axle. This would have been a nightmare repair.

08-23-10, 02:01 AM
I hope you rebuild her with another car. I'm thinking a bright red metallic FTS would look pretty damn large and in charge.

Also, does the interior have to be tan?? I'm thinking a black or grey interior would look just as nice and appropriate for the FTS.

08-23-10, 07:38 AM
I'm guessing he wants tan so he doesn't have to redo all the interior work - the console, seats, carpet, etc.

Red on tan though... :drool: :drool: :drool:

08-23-10, 08:36 AM
red on tan would look pretty good...but can you really rebuild this car and not have it black?

08-23-10, 10:33 AM
Yeah, the problem is that the dashboard and 2 door panels of mine were destroyed so I do not have enough of an interior to swap the whole thing. I could dye the console and glovebox door another color but the seats are not the easiest to convert. It can be done obviously but it would be so much easier just to drop my pieces in place.

This is the color I want to match...


08-23-10, 10:34 AM
Hey man really sorry to hear about the car, defenite loss for a great item, if you end up parting, instead of going with another fleet, ill be in the market for some parts.

08-23-10, 11:06 AM
^ He liiiives. lol

08-23-10, 11:54 AM
Making quick progress. How long did you own the car? I sent you a pm

08-23-10, 12:53 PM
^ He liiiives. lol

haha yep, the fleet only saw 17 miles in the last 4 months, ive been rollin on 2 wheels.

stealth - I think I saw a metal roof fleet for sale in my area, ill scout it out for ya

08-23-10, 03:05 PM
Whoo Hoo!... 2 Doors, a fender, a bumper, 2 fender skirts, and 6 mangled chrome panels netted me $18.20 at the scrap yard!


09-19-10, 09:55 AM
A donor has been acquired and the new "Fleetwood V" project is underway. As the owner of a real "V", I will claim license enough to assign the V moniker to the Fleetwood with the proper modifications in mind. The donor is a 1996 model with 127,000 miles. It is not perfect but for $1500 I will make it work. The Fleetwood will be finished in Cadillac "Black Ice" 58U which is a metallic black.


The first order of business was to lose the Brougham wheels in lieu of the SS wheels. 2 of the wheels were destroyed in the wreck but luckily I had 2 spares that were fitted with drag tires for racing use. I took these and with a set of Goodyear Eagle RSAs in 255/55/17 fitment I was able to piece together a complete set and a spare.


During this project I also fitted the 9C1 front brake backing plates and a set of drilled and slotted rotors. The rears are still drums but that will be changed shortly.

09-19-10, 10:05 AM
Are the 9C1 brakes bigger?

09-19-10, 10:22 AM
No, The 9C1 backing plates are an open design that allow for cooling to the back of the rotor. They are a direct bolt on replacement... more details and part numbers at http://community-2.webtv.net/WHSimpson/1994DGGMCAPRICESS/page4.html

09-20-10, 08:33 AM
It's amazing the change in attitude from just swapping the wheels. A wheel swap is the first order of business when I get my Fleetwood - hopefully next Friday.

09-21-10, 03:25 PM
Looks really clean so far, glad you decided to rebuild. Are you going to keep the color?

09-24-10, 11:17 AM
Progress is being made on the transfer of parts and transformation of a Brougham...

With the wheels moved over, the next project was to get the vinyl top off. The top on this ride looked to be in especially rough condition which helped me get the car cheap.

Once I dug into it I actually found that the previous owner had installed a brown vinyl roof OVER the top of the factory gold vinyl roof so I had to remove 2. Interestingly enough the factory roof was in good condition so I guess this was done purely for a color change.

This job is just as difficult as I remember it. Luckily I had a nice hot summer day to bake the top prior to peeling back the adhesive pad.

I found that sectioning the cover and peeling longitudinally works best...

And here it is with the vinyl roof gone... Off to the paint shop soon to smooth the roof seam and eliminate the screw holes. I will of course transfer the back glass over from the other car.

09-24-10, 11:36 AM
I'm glad that back glass is still in good shape. I can't imagine the cost to replace it (if it even COULD be replaced)....

09-24-10, 11:49 AM
It looks nice w/o vinyl too :)

09-24-10, 02:36 PM
cool man! I love the hardtop look over the vinyl any day

09-25-10, 12:06 PM
During this project I also fitted the 9C1 front brake backing plates and a set of drilled and slotted rotors. The rears are still drums but that will be changed shortly.

Where can I find more info on rear disc conversion? Using factory parts?


09-25-10, 01:39 PM
^for your 4th gen?

09-25-10, 06:43 PM
For a '95 or '96 Fleetwood I plan to pick up soon.

09-25-10, 07:32 PM
Any caprice that had stock rear disc bolt up except ebrake cable. 77-79 brougham with disc also.

09-26-10, 08:04 AM
Any caprice that had stock rear disc bolt up except ebrake cable. 77-79 brougham with disc also.

I guess the e-brake cable is too short? What do you use instead? Everything else remains the same (master cylinder, proportioning valve, etc.)?

Thanks for the info!

09-26-10, 08:43 AM
some info in there, although more directed at 80-81's

09-26-10, 09:30 AM
The proper way to get rear disc brakes on the Fleetwood is to get the conversion parts from Bill Harper. This allows you to keep the 4 channel ABS and traction control functional.

Cadillac Fleetwood rear DISC brake conversion
(fits 1993-96 D-body cars with 4-channel ABS system)

Parts required to replace existing parts in rear drum brake system with OE discs from 94-96 Impala SS/Caprice 9C1:

1. Calipers & pads (1 of each item)
Caliper, OE LH & RH
Pad kit, OE FMSI D628 (1)

2. Caliper bracket, OE (2) (can be substituted by Dorman/NAPA)
For RPO JL9, from 9C1 (or) WX3 (black)

3. Caliper guide pin, boot & caliper pin bolt, OE (4 of each item)

4. Backing plate (caliper mount & park brake), OE (2) (modified for Fleetwood 4-channel ABS, LH with special spacer attached)

5. Park brake kit, OE (1 per car—part of item 4 with new plates)

NOTE: Items 1 thru 3 and items 4 & 5 are pre-assembled units

6. Fastener & washer for caliper bracket attachment, OE (4 of each item)

7. Park brake cable guide, OE—for right side only (1)

8. Bolt for cable guide / brake hose bracket retention, OE (2)

9. Brake hose—attaches to caliper, OE (2--1 of each item, L/R)

10. Park brake cable, OE (2--1 of each item, L/R)

11. Sensor & cable, OE (1) (installs on left side in place of existing sensor)

12. Differential cover gasket, OE—revised design (1)

13. Strap to secure parking brake cable to axle tube (2)

14. Brake lines—Fleetwood special for rear disc conversion, in stainless material (made by Classic Tube)

Items not supplied with kit

15. Rotor (2) uses rotors for 94-96 Impala SS or Caprice 9C1
19195722 Rear rotor GM Durastop 18A656 OR EQUIVALENT

16. Differential lube/additive

17. Brake fluid
Bill Harper
ISSCA #127

09-26-10, 09:40 AM
Thanks and sorry bout the hijack.

09-26-10, 09:59 AM
Quite alright... one of the next steps for me is to move the disc brakes over to the donor car...