: Where is the thread bump for Craig's 69 Fleetwood project?



Bro-Ham
06-20-10, 12:14 AM
Craig, Last I heard, and I may be out of the loop, but wasn't your 69 Fleetwood undergoing major surgery? What's the latest? I'm sure the boys will want some pictures. Please give us an update. :)

77CDV
06-20-10, 01:18 AM
The car is currently at the body shop, gutted and stripped down to bare metal. Aside from the rear window channel being totally fried and the two large-ish and one smaller hole in the trunk floor, the body turned out to be completely solid and straight.

Rotted rear window channel.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/002-1.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/003-1.jpg

Something's missing.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/004-1.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/001-1.jpg

Before the final stripping, while the interior was being removed (cameo by my 2001 ETC).

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/001-2.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/002-2.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/003-2.jpg

If all has gone according to Hoyle, by this Wednesday, the body and frame should have parted company, the frame been media blasted and repaired (if necessary), the gas tank dropped and sent off for refurbishing, the chrome gone to the platers, the trunk floor cut out and preparations being made for replacement (as well as new lower front fender patch panels to replace the hooptie Bondo). Also, we'll be verifying paint color against the 1969 Cadillac salesman's data book color sample chip (going with the original Athenian Blue). New dark blue tuxedo grain vinyl top to follow after the body and frame kiss and make up.

And that's all the news that's fit to print right now. I'll keep you all posted as things develop.

greencadillacmatt
06-20-10, 04:34 AM
I had completely forgotten that your monster had gone in for body work. Glad that the roof can be saved, as that looks like a LOT of rot in that rear channel. I'm envious of your resto. Ought to be quite the sight to behold once it's done, eh?

And though it may be a little late now... BUMP!

Stingroo
06-20-10, 09:44 AM
Something's missing.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/004-1.jpg


Really? I can't see it. :p

Bro-Ham
06-20-10, 09:47 AM
Craig, Very, very nice! I'm glad the car wasn't as rusty as you had originally feared. Once you make it the way you want it you are in such an ideal climate to keep the car nice forever and that's fabulous! Thanks for sharing the progress and I'm sure we all look forward, as do you, to the final result! :) Dave

77CDV
07-08-10, 12:30 AM
OK, so I finally have progress to report! Went by the shop today and the car was on the lift, preparing to have a body off frame experience.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/001-3.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/004-2.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/011-1.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/016.jpg

You've dropped something, my dear.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/018.jpg

Old (and bad) repair work on the lower front fenders.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/002-3.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/010-1.jpg

This is why the body and frame must part ways for a short time. Remember, children, salt and steel do not mix!

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/014.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/015.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/003-3.jpg

77CDV
07-08-10, 12:30 AM
This is what happens to the inner fenders on these cars, even without salt. Water and debris get trapped between the inner and outter walls of the lower rear front fenders, which is why they all rust out in the end.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/021.jpg

Hey, where's my hood?

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/022.jpg

Oh, it's over there.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/020.jpg

The interior is gutted, of course. This is the saddest part of all of this. Remember this?

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/006.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/007.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/008.jpg

All gone now.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/005-1.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/006-1.jpg

Reminds me of a grand old house, abandoned long ago. Just a touch here and there to remind you of what once was.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/009-1.jpg

Fortunately, in this case, she'll be grand again! :thumbsup: Heading off on vacation Saturday, first to AZ, then to FL for Roo's big shindig. Looking forward to seeing the progress when I get back. :)

Bro-Ham
07-08-10, 12:37 AM
Craig, That car is the luckiest car in the world! :) WOW! You're certainly doing it right. :)

Stingroo
07-08-10, 12:47 AM
What is this "salt" of which you speak? :lol:

Looks like it's getting the star treatment. :)

77CDV
07-08-10, 01:05 AM
What is this "salt" of which you speak? :lol:


It's a unique car poison found in the forbidding, far-off Land of Chad. :duck:

Bro-Ham
07-08-10, 01:10 AM
The poison - that's one of Chad's six-thousand-million excuses for not allowing himself to drive a Cadillac. :)

Stingroo
07-08-10, 01:14 AM
This Land of Chad of which you speak does not sound appealing.

I shall stick to the Land of Roo.

77CDV
07-08-10, 01:17 AM
Considering your current weather, I think I'll continue my quest for a home in the Land of Craig (aka southern Arizona)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-08-10, 01:21 AM
the poison - that's one of chad's six-thousand-million excuses for not allowing himself to drive a cadillac. :)

Would you get off my ****ing back already? I am getting really sick and goddamn tired of reading this, day in and day out!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Stingroo
07-08-10, 01:25 AM
Would you get off my ****ing back already? I am getting really sick and goddamn tired of reading this, day in and day out!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

:lol: I was like that for a bit too man. Dave's a heckler but he's a cool guy. :thumbsup:

Just gotta roll with the punches. :duck:

Bro-Ham
07-08-10, 01:41 AM
I'm surprised he was tuned in so quickly to the Cadillac forum with the excitement today of the 2011 Buick Regal and all. Chadillac, if I didn't love you so darn much I wouldn't care about you or your Cadillac self deprivation. :) You know, I like Buicks too. But, I particularly like this 69 Cadillac Fleetwood that is being so carefully and lovingly and correctly restored. My hat is off to Craig! :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-08-10, 01:44 AM
But, I particularly like this 69 Cadillac Fleetwood that is being so carefully and lovingly and correctly restored. My hat is off to Craig! :)

Don't get me wrong, it's nice Craig can have such niceties as this 1969 FWB, but he's 38 and probably has a very good career in what he does. I'm 23 and living at home, so I don't have the so.....I'm just gonna stop there. You've heard this song and dance so often before there's no point to me typing it anymore.

Bro-Ham
07-08-10, 01:52 AM
turn your frown upside down, tell yourself you can do it no matter what, time to start pulling hard on those bootstraps... :) Do whatever it takes - don't allow yourself to give up, give in, or take NO for an answer. If all else fails - drink more cocktails! :)

77CDV
07-08-10, 08:00 AM
Don't get me wrong, it's nice Craig can have such niceties as this 1969 FWB, but he's 38 and probably has a very good career in what he does. I'm 23 and living at home, so I don't have the so.....I'm just gonna stop there. You've heard this song and dance so often before there's no point to me typing it anymore.

Thanks, Chad, and you're exactly right. And from all I've read, you're well on your way to establishing yourself in a solid career of your own. You also have your priorities straight, so +1 for you! :thumbsup:

FWIW, I think your Buick is a fine car. Someday I hope to see it in person.

Dave, let the man be. I know you mean well, but Chad knows his situation best, better than any of us. He's got a nice car that he can afford and that he enjoys. When I was a couple years older than Chad is now, I saw a 1995 FWB in the same color combo he saw on his car hunt, that stunning red with the neutral leather interior. I wanted it sooooo bad, but at three years old it was far out of reach for a guy still in grad school. So, I understand where Chad is coming from, and why he's doing what he's doing. And I respect him for it. You should do, too.

outsider
07-08-10, 10:29 AM
Gatta say...seeing your progress makes me feel like a shmuck for doing a minor restoration to my 1969 calais :(

If I had the time and money to throw at it, I'd love to have it restored the right way like you! Maybe in the future...for now it's just a fun project for me to get my hands dirty with.

Can't wait to see your finished product, man! Keep up the good work!

The-Dullahan
07-08-10, 10:34 AM
I remember that Salt stuff. They didn't salt the roads where I lived, too far off in the wilderness (Am I seeming any more normal for my region if I mention that ther were TWO Hearses used as snowplows though?)

I am sure my car remembers the salt, having spent a year buried in a pile of it.

Absolutely beautiful, Craig. All the time, effort and money will definitely pay off.

I hope to one say be able to get my car that kind of treatment and I am REALLY looking forward to see this lovely '69 when she is ready to see the road again.

Stingroo
07-08-10, 11:27 AM
Actually Dullahan, that is kind of normal in my books now. There's a guy on the wagon forum who uses a six-speed converted wagon as a snow plow. lol

Bro-Ham
07-08-10, 11:46 AM
Oh Craig, I certainly respect your son Chad. :)

Cadillacboy
07-08-10, 12:23 PM
Craig deserves plaudits , it's just so great pleasure to view his car

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-08-10, 08:37 PM
Thanks, Chad, and you're exactly right. And from all I've read, you're well on your way to establishing yourself in a solid career of your own. You also have your priorities straight, so +1 for you! :thumbsup:

FWIW, I think your Buick is a fine car. Someday I hope to see it in person.

Dave, let the man be. I know you mean well, but Chad knows his situation best, better than any of us. He's got a nice car that he can afford and that he enjoys. When I was a couple years older than Chad is now, I saw a 1995 FWB in the same color combo he saw on his car hunt, that stunning red with the neutral leather interior. I wanted it sooooo bad, but at three years old it was far out of reach for a guy still in grad school. So, I understand where Chad is coming from, and why he's doing what he's doing. And I respect him for it. You should do, too.

Thank you.

Bro-Ham
07-08-10, 08:41 PM
Cocktail hour - Here's a toast: to mediocrity! :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-08-10, 08:45 PM
Cocktail hour - Here's a toast: to being a douchebag! :)

Fixed that for you.

Bro-Ham
07-08-10, 09:02 PM
Chad, I think you're taking this seriously and to me it's fun. :) I do like you, I love your chronic explanations of your Buick, not only to me, and your constant self conversations about your preference to really rather be driving a great big Fleet-Wood Bro-Ham. For the good of all let's bury the hatchet and you can drive your Regal in peace. :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-09-10, 12:02 AM
Ok, fine. :)

I like my Regal, I really do, however, I'd love a '94-'96 Fleetwood Brougham, but it's just not in the cards yet. I'm still a little bitter that I didn't snag that beautiful carmine red '96 FWB that I drove last summer with the neutral leather interior and 69k South-Carolina based miles. Yeah, it would have been great, but I didn't anticipate it selling as fast as it did. But, that Benz was burning a hole into my pocket and I didn't have time to wait around for another LT1 FWB, especially a clean, low mile one. So I did what I had to.

Bro-Ham
07-09-10, 12:46 AM
Chad, I'm driving to MN soon in the 79, let's have cocktails. :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-09-10, 12:47 AM
Sounds good. I can make Brandon aware in case you're interested in seeing his new '85 Caprice Classic or his ridiculously mint '91 Brougham D'Elegance. I'm supposed to go help a different friend pick up a '72 Mark IV this weekend too.

77CDV
07-09-10, 02:30 AM
Oh Craig, I certainly respect your son Chad. :)

If Chad's my kid, I must have been a damn precocious 15 year old! :lol:

77CDV
07-20-10, 07:21 PM
Stopped by the shop yesterday before work. Seems progress while I was away has been...lacking. However, now that I'm back and he knows I'll be making random pop inspections, things should get back on track. I hope. Anyway, I did snap a few pics of where things stand.

Presenting, Cadillac's legendary body-off-frame construction!

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/001-4.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/002-4.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/003-4.jpg

The frame is off getting media blasted and powder coated. When it returns (theoretically this week), the body will go off for final media blasting.

Disembodied drivetrain.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/004-3.jpg

Chrome and gas tank awaiting reunion with completed car.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/005-2.jpg

BTW, I love the "Explore Content" tag: Cadillac Self Deprivation". :lol:

outsider
07-20-10, 08:24 PM
that's awesome! Man, if only I had the money to get that done to my 69!

Ah well, for now mine will just be a "spruce up" project. Do you happen to have a vacuum diagram for the 472? My labels washed off when I pulled my engine :(

77CDV
07-20-10, 08:43 PM
Sadly, no. I've checked the FSM and can't find one there, either. But as I remember, there aren't that many on a '69. Mostly it's between the carb and the engine. It gets more hairy as you get into the '70s and especially the '80s.

Bro-Ham
07-20-10, 08:57 PM
Craig, WOW! What a project! You'll have a new 69 when you're done. :)

Stingroo
07-21-10, 10:15 AM
Good... pics.

I am pleased.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
07-21-10, 08:00 PM
I saw a black '69 Coupe deVille pass me this morning on my way to the warehouse. I was stopped at a stoplight and it was crossing in front of me. God, I don't know if it was seeing it at that angle, or maybe the color or the way the sun hit it, but it was a really sexy, mean looking car. I never thought as much of those '69's until this morning.

77CDV
07-21-10, 10:20 PM
I like the '69 more than the '70 simply because of the more intricate front end and the open taillights. The '70s look somehow more plain. Black is, of course, the best color for these cars.

Garys
07-22-10, 12:18 AM
Wow Craig, this is an amazing post. You're my hero!

77CDV
08-02-10, 04:20 PM
Just a couple pics to update the progress. The frame is back (finally) from blasting and powdercoating. If you ever wanted to know what the unadorned frame of a 1969 Cadillac Fleetwood looks like, here's your golden opportunity.
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/001-5.jpg

Other miscillaneous suspension parts and such are also ready to go.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa237/cmchally/1969%20Fleetwood/002-5.jpg

Body guy says he should have a complete rolling chassis by Wednesday, and the media-blasted body back by Friday, at which point he should commence repairs to the rust areas. Keep your fingers crossed!

Stingroo
08-02-10, 06:20 PM
Hooray!

Bro-Ham
08-02-10, 07:06 PM
How exciting! :) :) :)

Bro-Ham
09-30-10, 12:11 AM
Sorry to be a thread dredger - this was on page 16 of the RWD forum - how is the project coming along Craig?! :)

Stingroo
09-30-10, 09:27 AM
The car is a myth. I am convinced.

Bro-Ham
09-30-10, 12:32 PM
It's probably back in Detroit going down the assembly line again so Craig can order all those options he really wanted.

77CDV
10-01-10, 02:34 AM
^That's not a bad idea! :) In all seriousness, though, the body guy is just dragging his feet. There's just no progress to report, despite my best hopes. Believe me when I say no one wants this finished more than I do. I'm reminded of Rex Harrison's Julius II shouting up to Charleton Heston's Michelangelo, "When will you make an end?", and getting back the same response time and again, "When I am finished." Somehow, I doubt I'll end up with anything that compares to the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. :lol:

The-Dullahan
10-01-10, 04:52 AM
What will be will be.

At least you are doing all you can to get it done...unlike someone with a CDV I know...