: Clutch Pedal Went to the Floor with No Return



Kurlee Daddee
06-19-10, 10:39 AM
Went to the bank yesterday to pick up some money to buy my step son a car. Got in the V, put the clutch pedal in and it never came back up. Checked the fluid resevoir and it looked okay. There were chunks of stuff floating in there. But the accordian looking plunger that goes in the resevoir looked damaged. There is a plastic insert that goes in the middle of it. That had fallen out. Clutch seemed fine before that. Never slipped or smelled burnt.

I had to get the car towed home. Not sure what to look for. Never had this happen to any vehicles I have ever owned. What do you guys think is the problem?

(I did search and found some information but most of it was from 2009.)

ELES6CTS
06-19-10, 11:01 AM
I would bet either the slave/clutch master cylinder. Have you tried pumping it by hand and seeing if it builds pressure?

Kurlee Daddee
06-19-10, 11:14 AM
I would bet either the slave/clutch master cylinder. Have you tried pumping it by hand and seeing if it builds pressure?

Yes. I tried filling the resevoir with a little more fluid and then pumped the pedal by hand. It never built pressure.

What does that little accordian thing in the resevoir do? If there is a hole in the middle of it, can that be another cause of the system not building pressure?

ctsv154
06-19-10, 11:17 AM
The chunks are probably the orings/seals in either the slave or the master. Try to pump it back up and look to see if you can see any fluid leaking out of the bell housing. If there is, it's the slave. If not could be the master bypassing internaly.

ctsv154
06-19-10, 11:18 AM
The little accordian thing just takes up space when the fluid drops. If the system is working correctly, it would build pressure without the cap on at all.

Kurlee Daddee
06-19-10, 11:22 AM
The chunks are probably the orings/seals in either the slave or the master. Try to pump it back up and look to see if you can see any fluid leaking out of the bell housing. If there is, it's the slave. If not could be the master bypassing internaly.

I will do that. I did not see anything leaking on the ground yet. I haven't gotten underneath the car yet.


The little accordian thing just takes up space when the fluid drops. If the system is working correctly, it would build pressure without the cap on at all.

Makes sense. I think its time to use my aftermarket warranty and get this stuff fixed.

ELES6CTS
06-19-10, 11:22 AM
If it is still not building pressure I would bet the master cylinder is bad.

Kurlee Daddee
06-19-10, 11:40 AM
If it is still not building pressure I would bet the master cylinder is bad.

The master cylinder is not considered a wear item like a clutch disc or a brake pad is it? I am considering using my aftermarket warranty to get it fixed.

ctsv154
06-19-10, 12:00 PM
The hydros should not be considered a wear item but you never know how some of those aftermarket companies are. I would think it should be covered.

Kurlee Daddee
06-20-10, 01:40 PM
Yesterday I looked up towards the pedal to make sure the rod that goes into the master cylinder actually gets pushed in by the pedal. It did. I pumped the pedal about 50 times, and filled the resevoir with a little more fluid. The pedal now comes all the way back up. I pumped it a total of like 75 times and now the clutch engages pretty low in the stroke. I could drive it now, but I am going to follow suggestions and flush the entire system with new fluid. Hopefully that is the only problem.

PISNUOFF
06-20-10, 06:44 PM
Mine does it about every 6 weeks. Flush the fluid and you should be fine. I flush my fluid and it may stay down one or two more times then be good.

ewill3rd
06-20-10, 09:42 PM
I agree, start by flushing, it sucks on this car, but that is where you need to begin.

Is the pedal still connected to the linkage? I have seen some break the clip.

Kurlee Daddee
06-21-10, 01:55 PM
Anyways, I think I am going to bring my Caddy to the Caddy Shop and have them bleed the fluid. Also replace the cap and accordian thingy in the resevoir. That way I can have it documented so if there are any other problems in my near future with my clutch systemI can use my aftermarket warranty to have the problems fixed.

Seems as though the aftermarket warranty companies looks for anything they can to deny warranty claims (as it stated in their rules for claims.) If I have a documented clutch bleed by a Cadillac dealership and and the slave or master goes out after the fact, they will replace. If I bleed the clutch and its undocumented, they will try to deny warranty because of negligence and non-professional work. That's the way I read the owners manual for my warranty. What do you guys think?

50 4Ever
06-21-10, 02:24 PM
Yes. I tried filling the resevoir with a little more fluid and then pumped the pedal by hand. It never built pressure.

What does that little accordian thing in the resevoir do? If there is a hole in the middle of it, can that be another cause of the system not building pressure?

As stated before the accordian thing takes up space when clutch material wears off and the level in the reservoir lowers. There should not be a hole in the accordian thing because brake fluid absorbs moisture in the air, the longer the fluid is exposed to the air the lower the boiling point.

I think it is a good idea to have the dealer bleed the system and replace the accirdian thing...

PISNUOFF
06-21-10, 04:20 PM
The accordian has a hole in the bottom with a one way valve. The valve in mine has popped out before also.

Kurlee Daddee
06-21-10, 04:23 PM
The accordian has a hole in the bottom with a one way valve. The valve in mine has popped out before also.

And after it popped out your clutch still worked okay?

Is the accordian still attached to your cap or is it seperate. I watched a video of an 06' CTS-V and his accordian was attached to his cap. Mine are seperated on my 2005.

PISNUOFF
06-22-10, 07:37 AM
It's a seperate piece. It will stay in the cap if you don't pull too hard on it. The clutch worked fine when the valve fell out. I'm betting you just need to flush your fluid. Mine does it every 6 weeks, but I beat my car like it owes me money. My last two sets of rear tires have also only lasted 6 weeks.

Kurlee Daddee
07-03-10, 01:55 PM
Took the V to the Stealership yesterday. I was able to drive it there and the clutch felt okay. I wanted them to bleed and flush the clutch fluid. They called me hours later saying that after the bleed/flush, the service tech couldn't get the car to go into any gear. The fluid was rank. The slave cylinder is now shot and they want $2K for the fix. I gave them the number to my aftermarket warranty company to file a claim so I can get it fixed. Keeping my fingers crossed.

While they are in there, I was thinking about putting an LS7 clutch assembly in there. Any links to the one that Luke at Lindsay sells?

PISNUOFF
07-03-10, 08:12 PM
I think there may be some shady business going on. I seriously doubt the slave is bad. Sometimes after flushing, the pedal needs to be pumped about 50-100 times before you get the pedal back.

Kurlee Daddee
07-03-10, 08:44 PM
I think there may be some shady business going on. I seriously doubt the slave is bad. Sometimes after flushing, the pedal needs to be pumped about 50-100 times before you get the pedal back.

I had the same feeling. If warranty won't cover it, I may just get it towed home and figure something out.

Kurlee Daddee
07-10-10, 08:24 PM
So the adjuster from the warranty company came and determined the slave cylinder to be damaged, so they are going to pay for it and the labor BUT, they only want to pay $115 an hour, where as Cadillac charges $150 an hour. So they want me to pay the difference. I called them and argued and went back and forth with them and the service writer at Cadillac. They are trying to agree on another cheaper price.

In the meantime, the warranty company is entitling me to a rental car for up to 5 days at the price of $35 a day. Kind of funny that that is the difference they won't pay in labor. Stupid, I know. So even though I don't need a rental car, I went and got one anyways to spite the warranty company. I am rolling a 2010 Cadillac SRX4 which is pretty comfy.

Anyways, my Cadillac needed a new clutch and flywheel. They didn't want to hear about an aftermarket clutch assembly and refused to install one. So I had to get a stock clutch assembly. You don't want to hear about how much a new dual mass flywheel is.:bonkers:

So next week I should have my car back with a whole new clutch and feel whole again.

Kurlee Daddee
07-21-10, 08:37 PM
Went to pick my car up today. Paid the bill and waited outside. Was waiting and waiting. The service manager comes out and tells me they have to jump start my car because they left the ignition on or whatever. Tells me to drive it around for a while. Really?

The guy pulls up and I automatically see a crease in my rear drivers side fender that wasn't there before. I told the guy and he got the same service writer. She comes out and apologizes. I was furious. She told me she would get it fixed and that I would have another rental car again. Still pissed.

I start driving it and notice oily finger prints on my drivers side cloth cream colored a-pillar and some oil on my drivers side seat in the velour. So pissed by now unexplainable.

The shifter knob now turns side to side and is no longer solid to the shifter.

I get home, and immediately call the SERVICE MANAGER. I told him I just picked up my car and what had happened. I didn't yell but my voice was raised and you could tell I was beyond pissed. He apologized and told me he would do everything in his power to make things better.

I told him it is COMPLETELY unexceptable to have my car coming out of a CADILLAC dealership worse than the way it was when it went in.

Anyone know of a top notch body shop that does good work in the Bay Area? They are going to try and send me to theirs and I know they are going to do shoddy work. Let me know.

ewill3rd
07-21-10, 10:52 PM
Which "bay area"?
If you mean San Francisco, I had some really good work done at the body shop behind the Dodge dealer up in Vallejo.
I can't think of it off the top of my head but they did a wonderful job on my Trailblazer and it was over $13,000 worth of work (the frame was bent).
Barber, I think that is it.

That business with jumping it and driving it to charge the battery is just awful.
That was okay in the seventies, but that don't fly nowadays. (is that a word?)

Kurlee Daddee
07-22-10, 09:49 AM
Found some good reviews on the internet about Pan American. Thanks. I will bring it to them no matter what the cost. This dealership is going to pay it.

http://local.yahoo.com/info-21591464-pan-american-body-shop-san-jose;_ylt=AgQY25i7CLIWbqazWde81.6HNcIF;_ylv=3?csz= San+Jose,+CA

My battery is completely dead now in my Caddy. I went out to go to the gym yesterday and I couldn't even get the electric locks to open up the car. So they will be buying me a new battery since they killed mine. So let's see what the total damages to my car is:

Body damage on rear drives side fender
Dead battery from incompetence
Oily handprint removal on interior
Fix the shifter knob since it moves side to side
Rental car for the entire duration of the above repairs

My buddy's wife is a service writer as well. If they give me any problems, I will have her call up and remind them what rights I have. If I have to, I will get a lawyer and make them pay everything. I will also report it to the Better Business Bureau.

PISNUOFF
07-22-10, 10:19 AM
That sucks man. I have the same damage on both sides of my car. Two people hit it while pulling in/out of a parking spots and I've only parked next to people 3 times total. When I bring it to my dealer, I make sure it is absolutley spotless (show quality) and my service advisor is the only one driving it and he parks it inside at night.

They didn't know how to remove your shift knob and they twisted. They damaged the connection between the lower stalk and upper stalk and should order you a completely new shifter.

Stepside
07-23-10, 08:26 AM
Careful 3 reveiws on a body shop is not worthy.
I would research a Professional's (ewill3rd) opinion for the win.

ewill3rd
07-23-10, 09:41 AM
Barber is a long way from San Jose.
I am sure there are competent shops down South, but I just wanted to mention the one that I had experience with.
The "Bay Area" is huge really, and traffic makes it worse.

I used to work right down the street from Barber and we did a lot of business with them.
My trailblazer got t-boned in both wheels with not much body damage but the frame was not repairable.
With the fly-by-night insurance company dragging their feet they had my car 52 days but the work was fantastic. I am picky about my car and the first thing I did was put it in the air and look it over for stuff they misrouted or left disconnected, and I found nothing.

Not to mention, that was 6 years ago. Who can tell if it is still the same or if the same people are there doing quality work.

RockinV
07-23-10, 03:16 PM
...My battery is completely dead now in my Caddy. I went out to go to the gym yesterday and I couldn't even get the electric locks to open up the car. So they will be buying me a new battery since they killed mine. So let's see what the total damages to my car is:

Body damage on rear drives side fender
Dead battery from incompetence
Oily handprint removal on interior
Fix the shifter knob since it moves side to side
Rental car for the entire duration of the above repairs....
Wow...I thought I had some crappy Caddi service at the dealership in Hawaii...
Your experience is extreme ! :ill:...
Sorry to hear about all your trouble...hope you get it all worked out

ELES6CTS
07-23-10, 07:46 PM
Sorry to hear about all the problems man. It is frustrating dealing with that kind of stuff.

kevm14
07-23-10, 08:24 PM
They didn't know how to remove your shift knob and they twisted. They damaged the connection between the lower stalk and upper stalk and should order you a completely new shifter.

Is there any way to fix this?

CTSV_Rob
07-24-10, 04:13 PM
So which Dealer did you take it to? I am here in San Jose and I want to make sure I do not go there.

Please tell me it WAS NOT Saint Claire???

PISNUOFF
07-24-10, 08:48 PM
Is there any way to fix this?

It depends on whether the rubber is torn from the lower portion or the upper portion. Do you have the same problem? If so PM me and I'll see if I can help.

Kurlee Daddee
07-27-10, 07:55 PM
They didn't know how to remove your shift knob and they twisted. They damaged the connection between the lower stalk and upper stalk and should order you a completely new shifter.

You were absolutely right. They had to replace the whole entire assy and the knob. It is no longer a stitched leather knob. Kinda feels like a combination of plastic or aluminum. But the shifter feels rock solid. Better than it ever has before.

So they came and towed my car. They replaced the battery since they killed mine. They had a detailer detail my whole interior, not just the stains they left. Although they still didn't get rid of the ones on my A-pillar. I was going to say something, but I really want my car back. So I will deal with that.

I now have to go to the body shop tomorrow and get an estimate on the amount it is going to be for the body work. Then get the okay to get the work done.

So I went in for a clutch fluid flush and walked out with the following replacement parts:

slave cylinder (their dime)
battery (their dime)
new shifter assembly and knob (their dime)
full interior detail (their dime)
master cylinder (their dime)
flywheel and clutch assembly (my dime)

Its been almost 3 weeks and I will be without my car for more time when getting the body work done. Then I can really enjoy my car again. Wish me luck.

Kurlee Daddee
08-20-10, 02:33 PM
So which Dealer did you take it to? I am here in San Jose and I want to make sure I do not go there.

Please tell me it WAS NOT Saint Claire???

Yes it was St. Claire Cadillac. You can read of my entire experience right here. Worst experience and service I have ever gotten from any dealership. I will never go back and will make sure to tell everyone I know never to go there.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-dealership-reviews/208487-st-claire-cadillac-san-jose-ca.html