: Need 92 Brougham Spoke Wheels



Sheradan
05-22-10, 07:14 PM
With Gold Pack. What are the odds of finding these. Car had them originally, but they were stollen. Any ideas?

jayoldschool
05-22-10, 08:12 PM
You can get them brand new. Repros, though. Around 1k for the set.

sven914
05-22-10, 09:30 PM
I don't think I've seen the factory wire wheels that matched the gold emblem package. Are your sure they weren't the wire wheel hubcaps? The hubcaps come up on eBay all the time and usually go for around $100 for a nice set of four. If you can only find the chrome center caps; the center caps that match the gold emblem package pop up occasionally and you can sell the silver ones to re-cupe your losses.

Stingroo
05-22-10, 10:50 PM
Actual legitimate wire wheels? Forget it, they're nearly IMPOSSIBLE to find.

Sheradan
05-22-10, 11:40 PM
I still have one original as the spare. They sure look good.

Stingroo
05-22-10, 11:51 PM
They do, but they're really, really hard to come by. And when they do, for real ones they almost always go for $2k per set or more.

It's ridiculous.

MudAnt
05-23-10, 12:34 AM
They do, but they're really, really hard to come by. And when they do, for real ones they almost always go for $2k per set or more.

It's ridiculous.

There was a Brougham for sale last year near me that had wire wheels and the whole car was $800.
Didn't look at it in person though, the wheels might have been in poor shape.

The-Dullahan
05-23-10, 12:37 AM
I used to know of somebody who had a number of originals (seven, I think) and sold them for roughly $275 each. (Why not in sets, I can't say) but their condition wasn't spectacular. The problem with finding originals versus reproductions is that anybody who has a mint set, is likely a collector and certainly has no intentions of selling them. They do pop up in the occasional online auction or classified ad though. I consider myself lucky to have ever found the set of wheels I got.

For what it's worth, I would just opt for a set of "repros" if I were you.

http://www.hobbycar.com/1977Cadillac.html

Aron9000
05-23-10, 01:58 AM
^ I need to hit that guy up for new center caps, mine are in pretty sad shape.

Personally, I'd go for some 15" chrome daytons with knockoff spinners if I were looking for new wheels. Put them on some vogues, or 1.5" whitewalls.

Something like this:
http://www.hydroponicsonline.com/store/img-hydroponics/15x6-performance-dayton-wire-wheels-mg-mgb-mgc_350127023197.jpg

greencadillacmatt
05-23-10, 02:02 AM
^Mmm, those with the Cadillac crest in the center of the spinner. :drool:

The-Dullahan
05-23-10, 02:14 AM
Yeah, wire wheels are always great, until somebody destroys a good pair by spinning out the centre by putting them on something with too much power. Too bad most of today's styles of wheels would look so ugly on a Brougham, though I have actually seen the look pulled off with mag wheels and smoothies.

I once saw a Hearse with THESE...Damn, was it fugly.

http://allamericantire.net/shop/images/mMO9093.jpg'

But then again, that's mainly because somebody "pimped it to da max" with all sorts of slap-on accessories and some funky paintjob.

The question is, if we didn't have wire wheels, appropriate hubcaps or any other and we HAD to choose something else, what would look appropriate.

As for replacement Center caps, those pop up very frequently if you know how to find them, but sorting through online classifieds is a bitch, because most people assume that wire hubcap centercaps are the same as wire wheel center caps.

Some online stores

http://theshinywheel.net/Deville.htm

Have a nice assortment to choose from, but mostly if you've got newer cars. I owe this website though, because that's how I determined which car that centercap I butchered and made a belt buckle out of belonged to.

Sheradan
05-23-10, 10:34 AM
The one I have looks like this only with gold spokes.

csbuckn
05-23-10, 10:41 AM
you could get the spokes painted

jayoldschool
05-23-10, 12:52 PM
Yeah, wire wheels are always great, until somebody destroys a good pair by spinning out the centre by putting them on something with too much power.

lol, has this ever REALLY happened? I would love to see some proof. Another internet myth, IMHO. Wires were real popular in the 70s (have a look at old Hot Rod and Car Craft mags). Plenty of those musclecar era motors put out over 400ft lbs torque. Still haven't heard of someone destroying a set of wires. Other than the story on Garrett's page, of course ;)

jayoldschool
05-23-10, 12:54 PM
The one I have looks like this only with gold spokes.

Those aren't original to the car. They are repros of the 50s Cadillac spokes, and available brand new.

drmenard
05-23-10, 05:28 PM
I have 4 of the 77-92 wire wheels on my 81... I have closer to 500 ft lbs of torque and I have put all of them to the posi rear and have had no problem... I don't do it all the time , but have worked them over more than a few times...I have 11 of these wheels , but one has some loose spokes... they all have rust on them, some more than others... I agree with you Jay... only on Garnett's page

The-Dullahan
05-23-10, 06:04 PM
While I have never seen it happen with a set of GM wheels, I have seen the RESULT of this on a vintage set of spoke wheels that had the center ripped from a large Diesel engine. I have never been personally concerned of the belief that wire-wheels will get damaged by a car with high levels of torque, but have been warned about it by so many dozens of people. (No idea who Garret is, but if I ever meet him, he'll warn me too) except for in that one case, in which the wheels were incredibly old and the remark from the owner of that chassis was that he was surprised it hadn't happened sooner. The metal was actually VERY brittle. The best I could describe the damage is that though they were steel, they resembled the type of damage that occurs if you have ever tried to unscrew a frozen bolt from an aluminum housing and the aluminum stretched outwards and spun with the bolt.

As for wheels, has anybody ever noticed the surprising number of Ratrods to have spoke wheels? When I build mine, there's a good chance mine will have them too and most of those engines, which are nearly universally upgraded big block crate motors, throw out copious levels of torque.

Always remember "It's not RUST, it's CHARACTER!"

...Unless it's one of cars that all the Chav kids are driving these days with that hood trend going on. Then it's just bullshit.

The-Dullahan
05-23-10, 06:13 PM
Never mind! I found out who "Garrett" is.

Sheradan
05-24-10, 12:07 AM
They where part of the gold package. The one that's left is the original. It has been a one owner car until i got it.

jayoldschool
05-24-10, 12:44 PM
Yes, original to the owner, but not to the factory. The wheels were a dealer add-on, just like the gold package.

These are the factory 80--92 wire wheels:

http://www.fquick.com/images/vehicles/full/25595282979.jpg

And, here is where to get the same wheels as yours:

http://www.hobbycar.com/cadillac.html

If they can't gold plate them for you, you will be able to find someone to do it.

EndlessRyd
05-24-10, 03:28 PM
I have a set like above in my garage, but still cannot find the correct lugs to attach them. They are not in the best shape, but I only paid $200 for the set. They still look OK, and would love to get them on the Cadi one day... I'll probably never do it though... as Ive had them for like 2 years.

The-Dullahan
05-24-10, 05:14 PM
I have a set like above in my garage, but still cannot find the correct lugs to attach them. They are not in the best shape, but I only paid $200 for the set. They still look OK, and would love to get them on the Cadi one day... I'll probably never do it though... as Ive had them for like 2 years.

I think I recall you telling me this once while I was inquiring about lugs for MY Cadillac and just forgot about it.

I found a set for my car with ease here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/20-CHROME-LUG-NUTS-CADILLAC-BROUGHAM-DEVILLE-ELDORADO-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c07a5a51eQQitemZ12038 7380510QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

and they worked fine here:

Also, Jay's Camera is so much nicer than the ones I steal to take photos of things.

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/141/l_ff826a0fd73540a39aaa9ef429419801.jpg

(Photo may not load if you are on your computer at work...so get back to your job)

brougham
05-24-10, 06:38 PM
I have 4 of the 77-92 wire wheels on my 81... I have closer to 500 ft lbs of torque and I have put all of them to the posi rear and have had no problem... I don't do it all the time , but have worked them over more than a few times...I have 11 of these wheels , but one has some loose spokes... they all have rust on them, some more than others... I agree with you Jay... only on Garnett's page

The 70s ones are different then the 80s ones.

The-Dullahan
05-24-10, 07:14 PM
Oh, then his name is Garnett. Whomever he is, yes I saw the article on his page now. Funny story: I've seen that car before, but never read the article.

Aron9000
05-25-10, 01:30 AM
Hey, that's my wheel!!!

Anyways, I've been lazy about finding the correct lug nuts to replace the four locking ones that were on there(I hate locking nuts). I just went to autozone and they gave me those ugly generic GM lugs. They work, but they don't look purdy.

Ian6
05-25-10, 02:19 AM
so the original tire size for the brougham is 225/70/R15 what is the difference between that and 235/70/R15 cuz thats whats on my car now and thats the size that was on there before I got new ones too.

Ian6
05-25-10, 02:22 AM
nevermind I just googled it and the first number is how many millimeters wide the tire is

jayoldschool
05-25-10, 11:46 AM
Any parts store should be able to supply bulk chrome, closed end lug nuts. They are not special. The spoke wheels(OEM) use the same tapered seat lug as steel wheels.

Sheradan
05-27-10, 07:13 PM
Yes, original to the owner, but not to the factory. The wheels were a dealer add-on, just like the gold package.

These are the factory 80--92 wire wheels:

http://www.fquick.com/images/vehicles/full/25595282979.jpg

And, here is where to get the same wheels as yours:

http://www.hobbycar.com/cadillac.html

If they can't gold plate them for you, you will be able to find someone to do it.

So the dealer replaced all outside emblems, hood ornament, wheels, and antenna to make it a gold pak car?

jayoldschool
05-27-10, 07:36 PM
So the dealer replaced all outside emblems, hood ornament, wheels, and antenna to make it a gold pak car?

Yes.

Dealers also do those fake convertible fiberglass/canvas tops that are so popular on the East coast. You often see them on Cadillacs and Lincolns with names like "Presidential Edition" or "Palm Beach".

Where are you located, and where is the car from? I'll bet... Florida :D

Aron9000
05-27-10, 07:44 PM
So the dealer replaced all outside emblems, hood ornament, wheels, and antenna to make it a gold pak car?

I thought the gold emblems was a factory option . . . .

Dealers were also known to put on continental kits and those mondo Rolls Royce grills, along with vouge tires and wheels.

Bro-Ham
05-27-10, 07:52 PM
Where are you located, and where is the car from? I'll bet... Florida :D

Jay, Everyone is living the American dream here in the sunshine state and that, of course, includes driving a pimped out Cadillac. :) Why wouldn't we?! :)

As far as the gold package, it was available from the factory in the early 1990's, perhaps even before, although it was only the emblems. I seem to recall the wreath and crest being gold on the regular wire wheel covers but I can't say I've seen the crest being gold with the wire wheels - it's possible - I'll check my brochures and see what they show.

Dave :)

brougham
05-27-10, 08:07 PM
I think it was just the emblems that were gold and the symbol in the tail light. I think the hub cap centres were gold but not the wire wheel ones.

jayoldschool
05-27-10, 08:51 PM
Jay, Everyone is living the American dream here in the sunshine state and that, of course, includes driving a pimped out Cadillac. Why wouldn't we?!

Oh, trust me, I'm counting down the years until I buy a piece of paradise, too!

I know that there were factory gold package cars. There were many more "produced" at the dealer, though. You guys know what I am talking about. Think about all the Toyota Corollas you have seen with the "Gold Package" and a fabric roof. Luxury!

If someone can post or PM me a VIN from a car with the gold emblems, I can tell you if it is a factory option.

Jason.

Dealer add ons:

Carriage top:

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/1960/1221/29898110012_large.jpg

Carriage top and Vogue wheels:

http://www.lasvegasdodge.com/stock/16670A.jpg

Words can't help:

http://static.flickr.com/3021/3027319009_2a482d5374.jpg

Top: dealer, emblems, not sure:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2197/2349746739_3625789a5a.jpg?v=0

Not just Caddys, of course:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/inurok/P1010305.jpg

Everybody loves dealer gold emblems and carriage tops!

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/attachments/ls430/60381d1105113754-dealer-customized-2005-ls430-jan06_004.jpg

The-Dullahan
05-27-10, 10:17 PM
Jay, Everyone is living the American dream here in the sunshine state and that, of course, includes driving a pimped out Cadillac. :) Why wouldn't we?! :)

I'll partly agree with that. My car got to RETIRE to FL, but she came from a pile of salt in Salem. Massive body-rust, but at least we don't have that issue down here.

greencadillacmatt
05-28-10, 12:30 AM
^ Do you mean witch-hunt Salem? That would speak volumes of the car and the owner. ;)

MudAnt
05-28-10, 02:08 AM
I can confirm there were gold center caps on the wheel covers with the gold package:

http://anyhub.net/file/p1030758.jpg

The-Dullahan
05-28-10, 03:05 AM
^ Do you mean witch-hunt Salem? That would speak volumes of the car and the owner. ;)

Yes, that very Salem. My funeral chariot was in service in Massachusetts prior to myself (Pennsylvanian) purchasing it from a New Yorker who lived in Vermont and then I had it shipped to Florida, so she got to see almost the entire East Coast, having traveled from Massachusetts to Florida. She was late for delivery, several DAYS late and arrived on October 31st in the evening, just in time for me to pull her up in the neighbourhood and have all the residents think I had gone and rented a Hearse for my Haunt that year.

jayoldschool
05-28-10, 09:56 AM
I can confirm there were gold center caps on the wheel covers with the gold package:

The OP's car had wire wheels that were not OEM, though.

Mud, can you PM me your VIN, or check it with the Compine tool that I posted in the FAQs? This way, we can figure out the RPO code for the gold package.

MudAnt
05-28-10, 01:42 PM
The OP's car had wire wheels that were not OEM, though.

Mud, can you PM me your VIN, or check it with the Compine tool that I posted in the FAQs? This way, we can figure out the RPO code for the gold package.

Actually, that picture is from a car I was thinking of buying, so unfortunately I don't have the VIN.