: Need a Wireless Access Point



daacon
08-24-04, 10:05 PM
I know there are some networking guru's out there. I know enough to be "dangerous" hahaha.

I currently have a Linksys BEFW11S4 v2. I connect into a Microsoft VPN (ppp). Works no problem with one computer.(my issue)

When I connect the other computer , I get validated , but then the first one dies (for VPN access , cannot ping anyhting on remote lan). I suspect it is becuase this router does not support VPN Pass Through/Multi-Sessions.

I was looking at the newer Linksys WAP54G but I don't think it supports VPN Pass Through/Multi-Sessions (it may with hacked firmware , but would rather not go that route)

Looks like the D-Link D-Link Xtreme G wireless router does. Does this router also act as a DHCP server ? (I only have on IP address from my ISP)

Any help would be appreciated ;-)

airbalancer
08-25-04, 07:05 AM
You kids at home, they should now lol Our son set up our network.
I have a wireless network at home, since the wife and I bothhave laptops.
Nice to sit outside and stay on the net.

caddyshack24
08-25-04, 08:00 AM
No guru, just a man.. always wanted to say that, ive been outta the computer loop for awhile..

I've got the Linksys BEFW11S4 v4. .. I wanted G-band but Wal-mart didnt have any and the cash was burning a hole in my pocket at the time.
I think its safe to assume you've upgraded your firmware on the that.
Linksys should be able to provide support for diagnosis, either threw the web based help system or live technical support (free) which is also web based.

Not sure i understand the question correctly, everything is fine until you add another computer to the VPN connection? That sounds like maybe a network problem, Packets getting lost maybe, perhaps the firewall is dropping them?
could always fire up 'Ethereal' and sniff the wire. See whats going down.
Can you ping the VPN gateway? What about when both machines are online?

Ohh wait, ok.. you only have one IP? thats prolly the problem then,
Network collision they call it.
Log into your WAP and set up DHCP or assign some static IP's, have Windows assign private IP's or set them to the static ones you provided to the WAP.

'ipconfig /all' on both machines, they should have a unique IP and configured to use your WAP as the gateway. Once they are both up and running, try to ping the gateway from each.. they should get a reply.

No clue about Dlink, but chances are it does support VPN, DHCP. Version 4 of the Linksys that i have does.

K, so where is the VPN? connecting to work? :)

im just rambling, hoe it helps or gets ya going on it though.. later

<<im editing my post to see if it carries over to the quote of mine below .. it doesnt - lol >>

T_Dogg8
08-25-04, 08:13 AM
No guru, just a man.. always wanted to say that, ive been outta the computer loop for awhile..

I've got the Linksys BEFW11S4 v4. .. I wanted G-band but Wal-mart didnt have any and the cash was burning a hole in my pocket at the time.
I think its safe to assume you've upgraded your firmware on the that.
Linksys should be able to provide support for diagnosis, either threw the web based help system or live technical support (free) which is also web based.

Not sure i understand the question correctly, everything is fine until you add another computer to the VPN connection? That sounds like maybe a network problem, Packets getting lost maybe, perhaps the firewall is dropping them?
could always fire up 'Ethereal' and sniff the wire. See whats going down.
Can you ping the VPN gateway? What about when both machines are online?

Ohh wait, ok.. you only have one IP? thats prolly the problem then,
Network collision they call it.
Log into your WAP and set up DHCP or assign some static IP's, have Windows assign private IP's or set them to the static ones you provided to the WAP.

'ipconfig /all' on both machines, they should have a unique IP and configured to use your WAP as the gateway. Once they are both up and running, try to ping the gateway from each.. they should get a reply.

No clue about Dlink, but chances are it does support VPN, DHCP. Version 4 of the Linksys that i have does.

K, so where is the VPN? connecting to work? :)

im just rambling, hoe it helps or gets ya going on it though.. later
that sounds like the things i would try before dishing out more money.

daacon
08-25-04, 09:00 AM
No guru, just a man.. always wanted to say that, ive been outta the computer loop for awhile..

I've got the Linksys BEFW11S4 v4. .. I wanted G-band but Wal-mart didnt have any and the cash was burning a hole in my pocket at the time.
I think its safe to assume you've upgraded your firmware on the that.
Linksys should be able to provide support for diagnosis, either threw the web based help system or live technical support (free) which is also web based.

Not sure i understand the question correctly, everything is fine until you add another computer to the VPN connection? That sounds like maybe a network problem, Packets getting lost maybe, perhaps the firewall is dropping them?
could always fire up 'Ethereal' and sniff the wire. See whats going down.
Can you ping the VPN gateway? What about when both machines are online?

Ohh wait, ok.. you only have one IP? thats prolly the problem then,
Network collision they call it.
Log into your WAP and set up DHCP or assign some static IP's, have Windows assign private IP's or set them to the static ones you provided to the WAP.

'ipconfig /all' on both machines, they should have a unique IP and configured to use your WAP as the gateway. Once they are both up and running, try to ping the gateway from each.. they should get a reply.

No clue about Dlink, but chances are it does support VPN, DHCP. Version 4 of the Linksys that i have does.

K, so where is the VPN? connecting to work? :)

im just rambling, hoe it helps or gets ya going on it though.. later

<<im editing my post to see if it carries over to the quote of mine below .. it doesnt - lol >>

Haha Nice I am not a guru just a man - Network Superstar :D (Mary Madeline singing in the rock opera Jesus Christ Superstart - He's just a man)

Firmware is latest and greatest (updated at least twice)
Without VPN don't get me wrong - all three machines (2 wireless) work flawlessly - inlcuding the Laptop from the Deck with Corona's :drinker ( adds 20kbs to download speed I am sure)

The router does also act as a DHCP server so all three of my machines have unique IP adresses from behind the router (in the 172.16.1.x range). I meant from my ISP I am only assigned one IP (which the router gets).
Have you ever called Linksys Support <hahaha> ? Their equipment I find just works (second Linksys router I have had) - but gawd beware if you evey have to call them. Menu Hell , on Hold, have had a few good expereinces , but moslty I gave up with them - once you are on the net they say router is working - not my problem (which in fairness to them it is) . I have forwarded TCP and UDP ports from the Linksys config all to no avail. Linksys themsleves have admitted (finally !!!) this particular router does not support Multi Pass through vpn.

The issue is when I connect to a corporate site (work) with Desktop (or Laptop) using MS VPN (ppp) The first machine connects fine and I am assigned a local "work" network IP address (10.30.1.x range). Seocnd Machine connects fine but it is assinged same IP address (in the 10.30.1.x range) so yeah network collison is definatley what is happening - router does not support Multi VPN passtrough. Both machines work fine on the "Net" - is is just a work VPN issue. I know some routers do support this - just wondering if any one here knows of one.

I think today I will wonder down to the local Geek shop and see what they have. I like Linksys products and want to upgrade to 802.11g , but the ability to have multiple computers on the VPN coporate network is more important. And to find specs that says it does or doesn;t ahhhhhhhhhhh, that why I was hoping somehere here already :deadhorse (always wanted to use that smiley ) ...and could let me know

T_Dogg8
08-25-04, 09:04 AM
i use the 54g linksys router and i like it. but i don't use vpn (not high enough on the ladder yet, and not too upset about it :)) so i don't know if it would work for you. i've had good luck with support, but i'm sure it could really suck sometimes. do you think it's vpn related?? like does your company only give one account one ip from their network??

daacon
08-25-04, 09:09 AM
i use the 54g linksys router and i like it. but i don't use vpn (not high enough on the ladder yet, and not too upset about it :)) so i don't know if it would work for you. i've had good luck with support, but i'm sure it could really suck sometimes. do you think it's vpn related?? like does your company only give one account one ip from their network??

Companys says issue is not on their end - and I am pretty sure it is on my end (they have no restrictions on assigning IP's) - it is VPN related for sure and I am 99% sure it is my router. I may try the 54g (did you get the speedbooster version ?) plug it in - think I get a 7 day retrun option. I don' t think the "offical" firmware (from Linksys) has what I am looking for , but there are a couple of hackers out there (ww.dslreports.com - Forms Section / Harwdware / Linksys ) that say they have a version that has what I need.

T_Dogg8
08-25-04, 09:59 AM
i don't have the speedboost version. i got mine before it came out. i'd give it a try. i like mine so if it fits your needs it'd be great.

daacon
08-30-04, 12:06 PM
Update:

Bought Linksys WRT54GS. This resolved my issue (so far couple of hours testing). Appears the key words are VPN Pass through. I am not sure what the difference between that and "Multi VPN passthough is ? :hmm:

I can now successfully connect at least two machines to the coportate LAN via VPN and run all applications without issue. Firmware was out of the box v2.07.1 latest and greatest according to Linksys Web site.

Still using 802.11b cards , so cannot speak to the extra wireless bandwith yet. Strength (range) appears the same - may be better , it works everywhere I need it to anyway.

Set up , as I have found with all Linksys products so far , was "plug it in, turn it on and it works" :D

T_Dogg8
08-30-04, 12:12 PM
sounds good. hopefully you'll be set then.

caddyshack24
08-30-04, 12:49 PM
yeah, real nice. little heads up, change those default WAP passwords. enable WEP 128bit and disable SSID broadcast.

WEP is better than nothing, it takes .. what, a million packets to decode the WEP key. such a small network as yours, would take awhile
now you get 1000+ people firing off emails, looking at porn, chatting. thats no security at all.

Would be a bitch to have some kids drive by your house, log in to your WAP.. sniff your passwords an access your companys systems/ heh

daacon
08-30-04, 01:46 PM
haha thx - default passwords and ssid changed as soon as I plugged it in. (Like I said I know enough to be dangerous :lildevil: ) -

Still broadcast and have not enabled WEP/WAP yet - will play with that later. I live in the 'burbs - not too concerned about drive by "waring machines" (is that what they are called ?) .

I will enable them later. Also installed Widows XP SP2 - so far so good.

caddyshack24
08-30-04, 02:02 PM
lol yeah man, right on.
War Drivers, the ""correct"" term.. thats pretty cool
you know a little more than i thought, then again you throwing around uniz commands .. heh

when you got in the biz back in 1987 i think it was? what kinda machines did you have? those huge monsters PDP11? with timeshares and all that crap

daacon
08-30-04, 03:10 PM
haha yep I have a Hamster powered Univac with transistor tubes :cool: - (Tandem Mainframes, a VAX, Some older IBM's all "Big Iron" for sure) Got into the 'biz in fall of 1986 (see my age - I am really that old or young all a state of mind really :D ) I have been pretty lucky able to move around within the IT industry (maintenance, development, Sys admin, help desk, tech support, Technical writing, some project management, dba) - pretty good well rounded skill set with having "settled" into the dba role last few years ......Networking my "weakest link" for sure .......

Still like what I do - I can appreacite the recent hard time for IT newbies - hard to get a job , to get experience , to get a better job, vicious circle for sure.

Want a new Laptop soooooooooo bad ....or rims for the Caddy ....ummmm Caddy gonna loose this one I think.........

Jesda
09-02-04, 03:28 AM
LINKSYS IS THE FREAKING DEVIL.
I've tried them all.
Netgear so far is the most stable.

T_Dogg8
09-02-04, 07:46 AM
i've found the complete opposite. only time my linksys went down was after a firmware upgrade, and all i had to do was hard reset it. netgear however, kept going up and down through the day. personally i think it's 6 of one half dozen of the other. but linksys is owned by cisco so they'll probably be more compatable with company stuff and will probably get technology first.

daacon
09-02-04, 08:49 AM
yep - it is all based on personall experience. This is my third Linksys. First one I fried on a firmware upgrade , but it was about 2 years old. Other than that - they have worked flawlessly. Tech support is another story - not too many good things to say there , but have not had to deal with them much. ( sent an Email question to them On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:45:30 and received a reply on Fri 4/9/2004 1:40 AM ...)

Netgear , Dlink, Microsoft I am sure they all work and are all priced about the same.