: My second 1/4 mile results



Tedboss1
04-12-10, 09:15 AM
Yesterday I took my 2009 automatic V to the track for the second time.

Temperature was a cool +11 deg C (52 deg F) and windy.
Again my car is bone stock no mods whatsoever.

The truck had “glue” and was better prepared than the first time.
My gas tank was 7/8 full vs. ¼ full for my fist time at the tack.
Traction was better but I experienced slight wheel hop on couple of runs right after the “glue” was applied to the track..

My best numbers were:

ET 12.06
MPH 119.62
60 ft 1.950

This is almost a 1/2 seconds improvement in ET from the first time.
Now I’m happy with the 12.06 ET and 119.62 mph for a stock car.
Car felt strong and happy running.
I tried very hard to break into 11 seconds but it was not to be.
My first mod will be a sticker tires.
I’m looking set of used Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires - 305/30R19.
I will keep you guys informed on my progress with the mods.

6speeder
04-12-10, 09:36 AM
That's awesome! What was the DA at the time? I'm running at high altitudes, and haven't gotten the V to the track ...yet.

You can find the DA @
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-altitude-calculator.php

pj911
04-12-10, 09:36 AM
Nice numbers Ted! I wish I could have joined you.

Gary Wells
04-12-10, 10:17 AM
Great #'s, Ted, congratulations. Was this bone *stock*? No air filter mods, no nothing?

Tedboss1
04-12-10, 10:37 AM
6speeder
If my calculations are right:
Density Altitude: -885 feet
Relative Density: 102.62 %
The corrected ET and MPH is 12.163 @ 118.585 MPH

Gary.
Yes. The car is bone stock no mods whatsoever.

DrumStix
04-12-10, 10:41 AM
Yesterday I took my 2009 automatic V to the track for the second time.

Temperature was a cool +11 deg C (52 deg F) and windy.
Again my car is bone stock no mods whatsoever.

The truck had “glue” and was better prepared than the first time.
My gas tank was 7/8 full vs. ¼ full for my fist time at the tack.
Traction was better but I experienced slight wheel hop on couple of runs right after the “glue” was applied to the track..

My best numbers were:

ET 12.06
MPH 119.62
60 ft 1.950

This is almost a 1/2 seconds improvement in ET from the first time.
Now I’m happy with the 12.06 ET and 119.62 mph for a stock car.
Car felt strong and happy running.
I tried very hard to break into 11 seconds but it was not to be.
My first mod will be a sticker tires.
I’m looking set of used Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires - 305/30R19.
I will keep you guys informed on my progress with the mods.


Very nice runs for a stock V. Sorry to tell you that you probably would have run an 11:99 had you run below 1/4 tank again. Hauling around 7/8 tank of fuel is a lot of unnecessary weight. Try again, lower the rear tires to 25 PSI to begin with, do a 4-5 second burnie in second gear without going through the water and you will probably hit 11:80 (or better). Also, run your fronts closer to 45 psi. I've seen 1.69 short times out of these autos with the right burnout on a sticky track. Those are a couple things that will get you well into the 11's consistently.

gnxs
04-12-10, 10:45 AM
Nice runs. DrumStix's evaluation is right on the mark. Strong running stock "V" you have. A little more bite, less fuel in the tank and you'll have yourself an 11 second timeslip.

Tedboss1
04-12-10, 10:54 AM
DrumSticx.
I was wondering about it as well. Did it help the my tractions by having gas tank almost full? All that extra weight over the rear tires. First time I run with 1/4 full tank and the best I could get was 2.2 sec 60ft times. Second time my best was 1.95sec.

DrumStix
04-12-10, 11:17 AM
Ted, there are two ways of looking at that weight over the tires. Sure, weight provides traction but is the ultimate enemy of ET. I would look for increased traction elsewhere. An extra 75 lbs of fuel in there will cut roughly .075 off your ET as we all have experienced and documented 100 lbs is worth about a tenth in a 11-14 second street car.
By reducing the weight, as race car owners of all types strive to do, you will pick up performance. Now you need to find the friction and mechanical grip from proper burnout, tire pressures (or better rubber) and technique.
Like I said, a friend ran 1.69 60 foot with stock PS2's at 25-26 PSI and a proper tire warm. It's doable on stock rubber as you said, the track has some prep done to it. If I can get out there this weekend, I plan to get a few 11 second slips myself.
Another tip for ET, drain that massive windshield washer reservoir! Take it down until the light just stays off with a couple ounces or one wash in the tank. That thing holds way over a gallon (7 lbs) over the front corner of the car. I sat there with it on blast for over 8 -9 minutes with it gushing coolant to empty it. (2.5 songs on the radio)
More tips to follow. :cool2:

gnxs
04-12-10, 11:19 AM
DrumSticx.
I was wondering about it as well. Did it help the my tractions by having gas tank almost full? All that extra weight over the rear tires. First time I run with 1/4 full tank and the best I could get was 2.2 sec 60ft times. Second time my best was 1.95sec.
But it sounds like the temperature and track prep was much different between the two days, not just your fuel load.

I always try and have between 1/4 - 1/2 tank when I run. The extra weight over the rear won't help you much at all (the car is heavy as hell already), yet you have to get that weight moving and drag it down the track for a 1/4 mile.

DrumStix
04-12-10, 11:21 AM
6speeder
If my calculations are right:
Density Altitude: -885 feet
Relative Density: 102.62 %
The corrected ET and MPH is 12.163 @ 118.585 MPH

Gary.
Yes. The car is bone stock no mods whatsoever.

What track is this? Sounds like Atco or something: 20,000 leagues under the sea.

DrumStix
04-12-10, 11:21 AM
Oops, dupe.

Tedboss1
04-12-10, 11:58 AM
DrumStix.
The track in Napierville dragway in Quebec Canada. Elevation is 204 feet above sea lavel.

Just want to say thank you to all of you that have posted comments and suggestions.
I appreciated very much and in return I will provide you with status of my step by step improvements.

mannyz
04-12-10, 12:01 PM
Well, looks like my car needs the driver mod. I ran my car 3 times down the track and my best time was 135 with no traction thru first and second. Best 60ft was 2.6. I will try again but I must say its embarrassing to run so poorlly in such a capable car. My highest trap was 133.45. Then again, like I mentioned in another thread, the track temp was 41 degrees that day (3500ft Elevation).

DrumStix
04-12-10, 12:28 PM
DrumStix.
The track in Napierville dragway in Quebec Canada. Elevation is 204 feet above sea lavel.

Just want to say thank you to all of you that have posted comments and suggestions.
I appreciated very much and in return I will provide you with status of my step by step improvements.

Certainly, glad to help. I have over 25 years of 1/4 mile experience with billions and billions of passes.

Gary Wells
04-12-10, 12:49 PM
6speeder
If my calculations are right:
Density Altitude: -885 feet
Relative Density: 102.62 %
The corrected ET and MPH is 12.163 @ 118.585 MPH

Gary.
Yes. The car is bone stock no mods whatsoever.

Again, great #'s, Ted, I will add your new time, trap, & 60 ft to my chart & post it up.

CoOlSlY
04-12-10, 01:02 PM
Ted... Was there from 1:00 to 3:30 saturday... Haven't tracked the V though since I have merely 500km so still at no more than 4k RPM. I was out of town for the last few weeks. Still waiting for Wait4Me for my tunes but kind of hard to get in touch with this guy... Corsa sport is installed since day 1 if you want to hear it ;)

CoOlSlY
04-12-10, 01:38 PM
Are you running 91 or 93 gas?

Tedboss1
04-12-10, 02:16 PM
I was using 94 octane from PetroCanada.

Gary Wells
04-12-10, 05:25 PM
Cad Bone stock ¼ elapsed times & MPH’s, Owners, 60 ft.

¼ ET--------MPH--------trans---------owner-----------60 ft. times

11.99--------118.0--------auto--------mpouls1--------1.801= 60 ft
12.06--------119.62------auto--------Tedboss1-------1.950=60 ft
12.10--------118.0--------auto--------brent eb02
12.10--------119.0--------auto--------SRT8/BMW
12.15--------116.5--------auto--------CTSVeee--------1.885= 60 ft
12.20--------?????---------auto--------FastRunner
12.22--------114.3--------auto--------Veelocity-------1.83= 60 ft
12.31--------119.8--------stick--------Easy2speed
12.31--------114.4--------auto--------CTSVeee--------1.92= 60 ft
12.32--------116.0--------auto--------Hondarrr
12.36--------117.0--------auto--------Pat & Kat McRat
12.50--------?????---------auto--------Ready2Roll
12.53--------118.4--------auto--------Tedboss1-------2.19=60 ft

Ted be # 2 now. I see some competition.

Tony407
04-12-10, 06:14 PM
That's a damn good ET for bone stock!!! Impressive. Thanks for sharing.

Tony

mpouls1
04-12-10, 06:27 PM
Nice. Very nice. Great improvement. I tried the 1/4 tank first didn't like the way the back end felt so I went with 1/2 tank the second time. Felt better but just my preference. It would be great to see videos! Very impressive keep it up!

Gary Wells
04-12-10, 06:46 PM
I have wondered for some time now about the 91 octane versus somewhat more, like 93 or 94 octane. Could it be possible that here could be detonation, or knock so subtle that it could not be detected by the driver, but the computer is kicking in and retarding the timing?
A few people on this forum have tried 100 unleaded and claimed that they felt by the "seat of the pants" the car ran better. I think that Curtis runs it 24-7.

Jutskin
04-12-10, 09:44 PM
Great result....congrats.

MSJ
04-12-10, 11:13 PM
tedboss, nice runs! glad to see you got the times down. I'm sure the weather helped quite a bit, but the more experience you get under your belt the better and better you will be.

Drumstix, I'm setting up a Vette vs V day at FMP soon with my old vette crew for us locals. They used to cringe at my bolt on LS3 Vette with some stickies, they're gonna hate our bolt on V's...lol guess i better get to boltin' some stuff on :halo:

Ross L
04-12-10, 11:25 PM
Impressive run! Does anyone ever "ice down" the upper intake when cooling off. The mustang guys swear by it, but with the intercooler under there who knows. Wouldn't think it could hurt. :thumbsup: I wanna see a 120 mph trap bone stock auto!

Tedboss1
04-13-10, 10:44 AM
Just for curiosity I went on http://www.mustangworks.com/index.cfm/page_id/8 and calculated the HP based on my best ET, MPH and car waight of 4300 lbs I got the following results:

HORSEPOWER CALCULATOR RESULTS
Peak Horsepower: 484
Average Horsepower: 574
Peak horsepower is based on your elapsed time (ET). The average horsepower is based on your mile per hour (MPH) and shows you the amount of horsepower, on average, your engine generated throughout a run. It is possible for the average horsepower used to be higher than the peak figure. This occurs based on many factors which come into play. Always use the higher figure to calculate track potential and fuel system requirements. I realize that this is theoretical calculation and my next step to have the car on the dino.

CoOlSlY
04-13-10, 01:10 PM
With a handheld, you can easily monitor for knock/timing retard... I will do a bunch of testing when Jesse from Wait4me will fix the tunes he sent me (been 1 month I'm trying to have this solved)!

DrumStix
04-13-10, 03:06 PM
tedboss, nice runs! glad to see you got the times down. I'm sure the weather helped quite a bit, but the more experience you get under your belt the better and better you will be.

Drumstix, I'm setting up a Vette vs V day at FMP soon with my old vette crew for us locals. They used to cringe at my bolt on LS3 Vette with some stickies, they're gonna hate our bolt on V's...lol guess i better get to boltin' some stuff on :halo:

MSJ, I'm going to head down Sunday and make a few passes. Pulley is ordered and I guess I should order some DR's too. Install is on 5/15 so sometime after that would be good but it will probably be pretty hot by then.

DrumStix
04-13-10, 03:17 PM
Just for curiosity I went on http://www.mustangworks.com/index.cfm/page_id/8 and calculated the HP based on my best ET, MPH and car waight of 4300 lbs I got the following results:
I realize that this is theoretical calculation and my next step to have the car on the dino.

With a normal sized driver, 4300 lbs might be close but GM has been high on their curb weight figures before. I'll get a weight if FMP has a scale this weekend.

Gary Wells
04-13-10, 03:19 PM
Just for curiosity I went on http://www.mustangworks.com/index.cfm/page_id/8 and calculated the HP based on my best ET, MPH and car waight of 4300 lbs I got the following results:
I realize that this is theoretical calculation and my next step to have the car on the dino.
Ted:
If you should happen to dyno your car while it is still bone *stock*, please post up the #'s as I would like to add the #'s to the chart for RWHP & RWTQ. Any idea of what type of dyno you are planning on using?

DrumStix
04-13-10, 03:20 PM
With a handheld, you can easily monitor for knock/timing retard... I will do a bunch of testing when Jesse from Wait4me will fix the tunes he sent me (been 1 month I'm trying to have this solved)!

With 93 octane his max perf tune was right on for the higher RPM's. There was some timing that needed to be added to the bottom end but the top is good. Adding .5 more degrees to the top with his tune and 93 octane on a cool day caused knock on my car.
Note: fuel was way off in my tune as I was over 10:1 on the dyno. That's been fixed. :)

Tedboss1
04-15-10, 04:55 PM
If you should happen to dyno your car while it is still bone *stock*, please post up the #'s as I would like to add the #'s to the chart for RWHP & RWTQ. Any idea of what type of dyno you are planning on using?
Gary.
I'm still looking to find a place with a dyno.
Is there a particular type that you recommend?

Gary Wells
04-15-10, 05:46 PM
Gary.
I'm still looking to find a place with a dyno.
Is there a particular type that you recommend?
No, Ted, and I probably should not have even asked. I was just curious. I have more data for the Dynojet dynos than anything else.
Might want to do some studying on the various types before indulging if you have choices. The dyno is only a tuning tool to measure the difference of before & after mods to verify improvements, but there are differences. The dynajets are definitely the most common, and generally seem to read somewhere in between Dynapacks, which seem to produce readings a tad higher than the Dynojets, partially due to the dynos hooking up directly to the hubs without any tires or rims. Mustangs seem to read a tad lower than the Dynojets. I would talk / chat to some peeps in your area that have already dynoed. HTH.

neuronbob
04-16-10, 06:27 AM
A quick question to add to the thread.

Weather around here is supposed to be cool this weekend (upper 40s) and I was thinking about heading to the track for a few runs. The track I go to hasn't done great prep in the past. Are there any tricks to launching this car on street tires (PS2s) with those temps? For example, will dropping the pressure work...particularly as the tire pressure drops with temp anyway? Do I have to warm up the tires for longer in the pit? If the temp is less than 45 degrees, I'll probably just wait for better weather to go.

DrumStix
04-16-10, 08:42 AM
Gary.
I'm still looking to find a place with a dyno.
Is there a particular type that you recommend?

Dynojet 224 or 248.

DrumStix
04-16-10, 08:43 AM
A quick question to add to the thread.

Weather around here is supposed to be cool this weekend (upper 40s) and I was thinking about heading to the track for a few runs. The track I go to hasn't done great prep in the past. Are there any tricks to launching this car on street tires (PS2s) with those temps? For example, will dropping the pressure work...particularly as the tire pressure drops with temp anyway? Do I have to warm up the tires for longer in the pit? If the temp is less than 45 degrees, I'll probably just wait for better weather to go.

23 PSI, 4-5 second burnout, oh, and a squirt bottle of VHT. :thumbsup:

surgin
04-16-10, 09:03 AM
Very nice runs for a stock V. Sorry to tell you that you probably would have run an 11:99 had you run below 1/4 tank again. Hauling around 7/8 tank of fuel is a lot of unnecessary weight. Try again, lower the rear tires to 25 PSI to begin with, do a 4-5 second burnie in second gear without going through the water and you will probably hit 11:80 (or better). Also, run your fronts closer to 45 psi. I've seen 1.69 short times out of these autos with the right burnout on a sticky track. Those are a couple things that will get you well into the 11's consistently.

headed to the track tonight in my automatic. how do you do a proper burnout? i will be on 305 mickey thompson et streets. thanks

Tedboss1
04-16-10, 09:07 AM
Weather around here is supposed to be cool this weekend (upper 40s) and I was thinking about heading to the track for a few runs. The track I go to hasn't done great prep in the past. Are there any tricks to launching this car on street tires (PS2s) with those temps? For example, will dropping the pressure work...particularly as the tire pressure drops with temp anyway? Do I have to warm up the tires for longer in the pit? If the temp is less than 45 degrees, I'll probably just wait for better weather to go.
Anonfrank.
The first time I went to the track temperature was around 41 deg F and traction was a big issue.
The best ET I managed was 12.53 but the MPH was 118.39.
Changing tire pressure down to 26 lbs did not make much difference in traction.
Also doing a longer or shorter burnout did not have much effect. I decided to do just a cleanup of the tires before take off by doing short burn out.
Bottom line go to the track if you want to find out what MPH (= horsepower) your car is capable of.
But I would not expect good ETs.

CoOlSlY
04-18-10, 05:22 PM
Cad Bone stock ¼ elapsed times & MPH’s, Owners, 60 ft.

¼ ET--------MPH--------trans---------owner-----------60 ft. times

11.99--------118.0--------auto--------mpouls1--------1.801= 60 ft
12.06--------119.62------auto--------Tedboss1-------1.950=60 ft
12.10--------118.0--------auto--------brent eb02
12.10--------119.0--------auto--------SRT8/BMW
12.15--------116.5--------auto--------CTSVeee--------1.885= 60 ft
12.20--------?????---------auto--------FastRunner
12.22--------114.3--------auto--------Veelocity-------1.83= 60 ft
12.31--------119.8--------stick--------Easy2speed
12.31--------114.4--------auto--------CTSVeee--------1.92= 60 ft
12.32--------116.0--------auto--------Hondarrr
12.36--------117.0--------auto--------Pat & Kat McRat
12.50--------?????---------auto--------Ready2Roll
12.53--------118.4--------auto--------Tedboss1-------2.19=60 ft

Ted be # 2 now. I see some competition.

Totally stock, 12.487 ----- 116.93, 2.1= 60ft... Will get the mph soon... Just done 2 runs though since when I tried to put the Wait4me tunes with the SCT, my car died, had it towed to my house... Should be going sometimes next week to do a few runs trying to improve my times!

Gary Wells
04-18-10, 07:10 PM
Totally stock, 12.487 ----- 116.93, 2.1= 60ft... Will get the mph soon... Just done 2 runs though since when I tried to put the Wait4me tunes with the SCT, my car died, had it towed to my house... Should be going sometimes next week to do a few runs trying to improve my times!

Stick or auto, sir?

CoOlSlY
04-18-10, 07:17 PM
Stick or auto, sir?

My mistake :) Auto...

Gary Wells
04-18-10, 07:29 PM
Cad CTS-V2 Bone stock ¼ elapsed times & MPH’s, Owners, 60 ft.

¼ ET------MPH------trans-----owner-----------60 ft. times

11.99-----118.0-----auto-----mpouls1--------1.801= 60 ft
12.06-----119.6-----auto-----tedboss1-------1.950=60 ft
12.10-----118.0-----auto-----brent eb02
12.10-----119.0-----auto-----srt/bmw
12.15-----116.5-----auto-----ctsveee--------1.885= 60 ft
12.20-----?????------auto-----fastrunner
12.22-----114.3-----auto-----veelocity-------1.83= 60 ft
12.31-----119.8-----manl----easy2speed
12.31-----114.4-----auto-----ctsveee--------1.92= 60 ft
12.32-----116.0-----auto-----hondarrr
12.36-----117.0-----auto-----pat-kat mcrat
12.49-----116.9-----auto-----cooisiy----------2.1= 60 ft
12.50-----?????------auto-----ready2roll
12.53-----118.4-----auto-----tedboss1-------2.19=60 ft
12.69-----111.0-----auto-----intervention302---(ls1tech)

lawnstripes
06-29-10, 10:31 PM
Cad CTS-V2 Bone stock ¼ elapsed times & MPH’s, Owners, 60 ft.

¼ ET------MPH------trans-----owner-----------60 ft. times

11.99-----118.0-----auto-----mpouls1--------1.801= 60 ft
12.06-----119.6-----auto-----tedboss1-------1.950=60 ft
12.10-----118.0-----auto-----brent eb02
12.10-----119.0-----auto-----srt/bmw
12.15-----116.5-----auto-----ctsveee--------1.885= 60 ft
12.20-----?????------auto-----fastrunner
12.22-----114.3-----auto-----veelocity-------1.83= 60 ft
12.31-----119.8-----manl----easy2speed
12.31-----114.4-----auto-----ctsveee--------1.92= 60 ft
12.32-----116.0-----auto-----hondarrr
12.36-----117.0-----auto-----pat-kat mcrat
12.49-----116.9-----auto-----cooisiy----------2.1= 60 ft
12.50-----?????------auto-----ready2roll
12.52-----114.8 -------auto-----lawnstripes-----2.06=60ft
12.53-----118.4-----auto-----tedboss1-------2.19=60 ft
12.69-----111.0-----auto-----intervention302---(ls1tech)

updated

snzuloz
06-29-10, 10:44 PM
Cad CTS-V2 Bone stock ¼ elapsed times & MPH’s, Owners, 60 ft.

¼ ET------MPH------trans-----owner-----------60 ft. times

11.99-----118.0-----auto-----mpouls1--------1.801= 60 ft
12.06-----119.6-----auto-----tedboss1-------1.950=60 ft
12.10-----118.0-----auto-----brent eb02
12.10-----119.0-----auto-----srt/bmw
12.15-----116.5-----auto-----ctsveee--------1.885= 60 ft
12.20-----?????------auto-----fastrunner
12.22-----114.3-----auto-----veelocity-------1.83= 60 ft
12.31-----119.8-----manl----easy2speed
12.31-----114.4-----auto-----ctsveee--------1.92= 60 ft
12.32-----116.0-----auto-----hondarrr
12.36-----117.0-----auto-----pat-kat mcrat
12.49-----116.9-----auto-----cooisiy----------2.1= 60 ft
12.50-----?????------auto-----ready2roll
12.53-----118.4-----auto-----tedboss1-------2.19=60 ft
12.69-----111.0-----auto-----intervention302---(ls1tech)


Just noticed that my time isn't in there, seen it updated on another post though?
I ran 12.40 @ 116.38 with a 1.94 60ft with only 1800 kms on the car, it's also an auto. Thanks, Troy

lawnstripes
06-29-10, 11:04 PM
Just noticed that my time isn't in there, seen it updated on another post though?
I ran 12.40 @ 116.38 with a 1.94 60ft with only 1800 kms on the car, it's also an auto. Thanks, Troy

quote my post above yours (the one i updated) and then add your times into it.......pretty easy to do:thumbsup:

Gary Wells
06-30-10, 04:36 AM
Once something is posted, you can't continually go back and up-date it.
Should be current less averages now. I just haven't posted this up recently. Appreciate the info & thanks.





Cad CTS-V2 bone *stock* ¼ elapsed times & MPH’s, Owners, 60 ft.

¼ ET------MPH------trans-----owner---------60 ft. times

11.99-----118.0-----auto-----mpouls1--------1.801= 60 ft
12.06-----119.6-----auto-----tedboss1-------1.950=60 ft
12.10-----118.0-----auto-----brent eb02
12.10-----119.0-----auto-----srt8/bmw
12.15-----116.5-----auto-----ctsveee---------1.885= 60 ft
12.20-----?????------auto-----fastrunner
12.22-----114.3-----auto-----veelocity-------1.83= 60 ft
12.31-----119.8-----manl----easy2speed
12.31-----114.4-----auto-----ctsveee---------1.92= 60 ft
12.32-----116.0-----auto-----hondarrr
12.36-----117.0-----auto-----pat-kat mcrat
12.40-----116.4-----auto-----snzuloz---------1.94= 60 ft
12.49-----116.9-----auto-----co0lsly----------2.1= 60 ft
12.50-----?????------auto----ready2roll
12.52-----114.8-----auto-----lawnstripes----2.06=60 ft
12.53-----118.4-----auto-----tedboss1-------2.19=60 ft
12.69-----111.0-----auto-----intervention302--- (ls1tech)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
????? / ???????? = average

Mike 09 V
06-30-10, 10:04 AM
A quick question to add to the thread.

Weather around here is supposed to be cool this weekend (upper 40s) and I was thinking about heading to the track for a few runs. The track I go to hasn't done great prep in the past. Are there any tricks to launching this car on street tires (PS2s) with those temps? For example, will dropping the pressure work...particularly as the tire pressure drops with temp anyway? Do I have to warm up the tires for longer in the pit? If the temp is less than 45 degrees, I'll probably just wait for better weather to go.

I ran with an un-prepped track and temps around 40 degrees and there was no traction in 1st at all and through most of second. I don't think these tires are going to do the jobs at these low temps, with or without prepping the track.