I have an ls1 vette and an ls2 cts-v. I rarely drive the vette now that I have the V. I think the V is more fun to drive and I have all the extra room. I want to build a car that I can get into the 11's. And I know the V is much better suited to a road course than a straight line, but I am considering bulding the V instead of the vette (leave it stock or sell it). I know I can spend less to get the vette into the 11's....but
Anyone into the 11's with the V? What supporting mods did it take to get there?
If you are trying to have a car for the 1/4 mile, the V is not it. It is too heavy and has too many weak parts. You best bet it to road course it or stick with mile events...or just do all your racing from a 40 roll.
To get into 11's (more than once) you will need an aftermarket rear, race axles, and a bunch of power adders. I think a minimum of 500rwhp is needed. If you just do heads/cam and supporting or a maggie you may be able to get mid 12s. The rear is a must if you want reliable 11s.
... To get into 11's (more than once) you will need an aftermarket rear, race axles, and a bunch of power adders. I think a minimum of 500rwhp is needed. If you just do heads/cam and supporting or a maggie you may be able to get mid 12s. The rear is a must if you want reliable 11s.
A maggie will only get you close, IMHO. You'd need closer to 10 psi boost or more (not easily accomplished with the Magnuson MP112), and you'd need some way to get that power through the tires and onto the pavement. That would be more easily done by swapping out the diff and axles ... that might mean a straight axle.
Might make more sense to sell the V and take the bucks and find something that's more easily adaptable.
Nothing heavier is more suited for road course, or for that matter, any type of racing. I have an LS7 Corvette (and had an LS6 Corvette) and those are still more fun than my LS6 CTS-V. With 100+ more hp and 800 less lbs, the LS7 will leave the V in the dust and be like it's going in reverse. It's no contest.
Nothing heavier is more suited for road course, or for that matter, any type of racing. I have an LS7 Corvette (and had an LS6 Corvette) and those are still more fun than my LS6 CTS-V. With 100+ more hp and 800 less lbs, the LS7 will leave the V in the dust and be like it's going in reverse. It's no contest.
The OP wasn't comparing the V to a Vette in terms of 1/4-miles times--he was just asking the question about potential performance with mods. Also, he was simply stating that its design makes it more suited to a roadcourse than a 1/4-mile drag strip. I think we are all aware than a Vette will always outperform a car that is 650 lbs (no sure where you got the 800 lb number) heavier. Hell, if there were no considerations like roominess, safety, etc. I think most of us would have a Vette over the V any day.
I know my next car will most likely be a C6 Z06 if I can ever afford/convince myself that it is at all feasible. Those of us that live in climates that only have 5-6 months of nice weather per year makes it really hard to own a sports car like a Vette. It sucks, I envy the guys that live in warm climates year round.
If you are lookin to make more power and still keep the weight low, go with a LS2 forged everything on the bottom end and get the Harrop 2300...EASY 650+++ My friend runs the same root charger on his 5.7 and made 600hp and 580 lbft with an automatic transmission...
Food for through, power adders are great, but i am a true NA fan...More fun and less heat issues...
I have road raced motorcycles at the club and AMA level for 10 years. I think a bike is even more fun on a road course. I will probably take the V to the strip a couple times, but it will be more of my work car, but at the same time I would like to make it quick as possible....just for the hell of it. Thanks for all the responses.
Maybe I should just trade the vette and get an ls3 vette as it sound like that is a good base for a car in the 11's?
I have road raced motorcycles at the club and AMA level for 10 years. I think a bike is even more fun on a road course. I will probably take the V to the strip a couple times, but it will be more of my work car, but at the same time I would like to make it quick as possible....just for the hell of it. Thanks for all the responses.
Maybe I should just trade the vette and get an ls3 vette as it sound like that is a good base for a car in the 11's?
I agree very much with your last statement. The V is going to be a money pit to try to get into the 11s. If you can swing it, sell the LS1 and pick up a used LS3 Vette for a good price and mod the shit out of it. You can also keep the V and have a badass, great performing car that can haul the whole family (or 4 friends) around town. The V is really the best of both worlds if you ask me.
So based on that, we see that the Z06 curb weight is 3,175 lbs.
The CTS-V curb weight is 3, 850 lbs. with sunroof/moonroof or about 3, 830 lbs. without the sunroof/moonroof.
So my best guess for a weight difference is 3850-3175 = 675 lbs.
On a side note, I would guess that my actual CTS-V is probably closer to 3,810 lbs., and that is with absolutely no effort to drop weight, just stronger, lighter aftermarket parts. My exhaust is probably 10 lbs lighter, my CCW wheels with non-runflat tires are exactly 30 lbs lighter (I have proof from the scale). As soon as I get my Monster Clutch with the 18 lb flywheel installed, I will have dropped another 36 lbs, which would put me at approximately 3774 lbs. (3774-3175 = 599 lbs more than the Z06 -- getting closer). Most of the lost weight is rotating mass, a very pleasant side effect of modding the V.
I agree with that, but the point I am trying to make is that all of this weight savings has been a fortunate side effect of modding the car. And I guess that is true of most sports cars, but the things the almost all V owners change on their cars (the stock exhaust, crappy runflats, dual-mass flywheel, etc.) actually are quite heavy because of the need for the luxury car feel, and there can be some relatively significant weight loss that occurs.
A heavy sedan is a heavy sedan, but dropping even a little weight is better than nothing. And I don't mean shaving welds...
The days of the 3500 lb sedans have been long gone. Think of the new shining stars like the CTS V2, the Nissan GTR, the Porshe Panamera turbo, BMW M5, E63AMG. These cars are all over 4000 lbs and are kick ass performers on the track. The Porsche is 4300 lbs, has only 500bhp and gets to 60 in less than 4 seconds. WTF! With modern brake systems and tires along with trick power trains and big hp, weight just isn't as much of a performance constraint it used to be.
exactly a lot of performance cars these days are pigs. Add mustangs, chargers, challengers, camaro, gto, 300c, S4,A4, to the list. Cars these days come heavy excluding exceptions like the vette, the vipers around 3300. dont get it whatever happened to light performance car.
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