: 1987 Mercedes benz 560 SEL



creeker
03-19-10, 11:58 PM
Is anyone familar with this model?, theres a very nice one for sale in my area,same color scheme as 90-92 brougham, dark blue with wide grey bottom moulding, it's a diesel with 180,000 miles,recent rebuilt tranny,
he's asking $2500.00 for it,apparently it was the top model in it's time.
the engine is a 5.6 ltre. diesel,claims he has to sell and has halved the price since last week. Tnx

hueterm
03-20-10, 12:02 AM
A 560SEL would not have been a diesel. Not sure what the size of the diesel version was, but the last three letters would have been SDL.

The 560SEL in '87 was (along w/the SEC coupe) the top M-B model.

itschrome
03-20-10, 12:14 AM
they didn't even make a diesel 560 in 87. it only came with the 5.6lt gas v8 even if they did it would only be a 3.0lt I6. a 5.6lt diesel would be crazy though. haha

creeker
03-20-10, 12:17 AM
Your right, I reread ad and it is gas,is 180,000 miles a lot these
cars?,do they have a reputation for being able to put on the miles?

itschrome
03-20-10, 12:22 AM
my only exp with them was my ex-GF's brother had 4 of them, all dead and for the two years I was with her he never could get one to work.. :histeric:

itschrome
03-20-10, 12:23 AM
Oh i should note, he wasn't the most mechanically inclined individual.

creeker
03-20-10, 12:23 AM
they didn't even make a diesel 560 in 87. it only came with the 6.5lt gas v8 even if they did it would only be a 3.0lt I6. a 5.6lt diesel would be crazy though. haha

Yeh, thanks, I dont know anything about mb's,but this is an exceptionally
clean and eye grabbing clean car, I dont even know why I would consider
buying another car, I just sold my 92 dev. and swore I wouldnt have 3 cars again, it's getting to be summer and I guess I'm just bored and want a new toy.

itschrome
03-20-10, 12:27 AM
Honestly save the $2500 for something a little more practical to own. they are a sweet ride in fact I forgot my current GF's dad had one for 15 years a 1990 though. and just sold it cause something needed to be fixed and it would have been like 5k. forget what, but it wasn't super major. he bought a 04 Deville to replace.

hueterm
03-20-10, 12:33 AM
In theory, a 560SEL should see 250K easy w/proper maintenance -- if not much more. If it's in great cosmetic shape, and it's only 180K, I would think he could ask more than $2500.

There's a what looks to be very good condition '88 (essentially identical) w/160K for just under $5K on eBay as a Buy It Now/Or Best Offer. Autotrader has a few '86-'88s in that mileage range and most are more than $2500 unless they have over 200K miles.

It's not a lot of money if you can spare it. I'd take it to an M-B dealer or M-B specialty repair shop in Vancouver and have them inspect it.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-20-10, 12:33 AM
Nope, just no.

There is NO such thing as a cheap Mercedes. OK, so it's $2500, sounds nice, right? It's gonna need a shit load of parts & repairs soon, if not right away. Now don't get me wrong, they can run for a very long time, but they're gonna cost you.

BTW, that was probably a $65,000 car in 1987, it was their flagship, nothing more expensive. I learned it the hard way that buying a used Mercedes is a terrible idea unless you could have afforded the car new. Because, the car's value may drop to where it's affordable, but the parts & service never will.

hueterm
03-20-10, 12:38 AM
I agree w/you Chad that any used M-B is a money pit waiting to happen (as are 2000 ETCs), but a W126 would be somewhat cheaper to repair than a W140. W140s were like night and day more advanced..... The W126 was essentially unchanged from '79-91.

But yes, Creeker, it goes w/o saying that when something breaks, you're going to pay out your ass to get it fixed.

creeker
03-20-10, 12:39 AM
Nope, just no.

There is NO such thing as a cheap Mercedes. OK, so it's $2500, sounds nice, right? It's gonna need a shit load of parts & repairs soon, if not right away. Now don't get me wrong, they can run for a very long time, but they're gonna cost you.

BTW, that was probably a $65,000 car in 1987, it was their flagship, nothing more expensive. I learned it the hard way that buying a used Mercedes is a terrible idea unless you could have afforded the car new. Because, the car's value may drop to where it's affordable, but the parts & service never will.


Yeh,it sounds kinda scary if something does go wrong,his ad said it cost
$8000.00 for the new trans. for it. I guess I'll hold out for a 90-92 brghm.

hueterm
03-20-10, 12:42 AM
Yeh,it sounds kinda scary if something does go wrong,his ad said it cost
$8000.00 for the new trans. for it. I guess I'll hold out for a 90-92 brghm.


That would be the wise choice...

If he put a new trans in for $8000 and is going to sell it for $2500 and it's in any kind of usable condition -- the guy is a fool. Run away...

Rocket88
03-20-10, 12:44 AM
Kinda funny reading a bunch of Cadillac owners cautioning someone against buying a cheap, used luxury car because of high repair costs! :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-20-10, 12:44 AM
Yep, hold out.


Don't get me wrong, I think the W126 is a hell of a fine machine, but I'd only buy one if it was mint, low mileage and incredibly well maintained. High mileage German cars are trouble, especially if they haven't been maintained well.


Kinda funny reading a bunch of Cadillac owners cautioning someone against buying a cheap, used luxury car because of high repair costs! :)

Cadillac repair costs and Mercedes repair costs are two totally different ballparks.

Rocket88
03-20-10, 12:47 AM
BTW, having owned an old Mercedes some time ago, I can say that parts are not cheap. However, for the most part they are not out of line. As with all used cars, find a good local mechanic, and find the online sources for cheap Mercedes parts.

The 560 SEL is one of the finest sedans EVER made. Truly a historically great car. EVERYONE copied it, but no one equaled it. Including Mercedes.

hueterm
03-20-10, 12:49 AM
Yep, hold out.


Don't get me wrong, I think the W126 is a hell of a fine machine, but I'd only buy one if it was mint, low mileage and incredibly well maintained. High mileage German cars are trouble, especially if they haven't been maintained well.



Cadillac repair costs and Mercedes repair costs are two totally different ballparks.


And don't forget the ample amount of disposable income part.......

creeker
03-20-10, 12:49 AM
Kinda funny reading a bunch of Cadillac owners cautioning someone against buying a cheap, used luxury car because of high repair costs! :)


I dont think a trans. for a an 87 brougham would cost $8000.00.

hueterm
03-20-10, 12:56 AM
Probably $1500

orconn
03-20-10, 01:01 AM
Ah the wisdom of "experienced" youth; heed Chad's advice. The purchase of a used Mercedes brings the buyer through the looking glass to a whole new world of automotive expense. Buy a horse it would probably be cheaper to maintain and put you in touch with a better class of people.

Rocket88
03-20-10, 01:01 AM
I dont think a trans. for a an 87 brougham would cost $8000.00.

$8000????
I don't think even the dealer would charge that. Not that hard to find a rebuilt tranny for those for around $2K. Should actually be less than that. Ain't gonna get my 4T80 rebuilt that cheaply.

And with all due respect, a 87 Brougham won't hold a candle to a 560 SEL. They are just not in the same league.

orconn
03-20-10, 01:10 AM
I agree, any Fleetwood Brougham and a 560 SEL are not in the same league, but neither are the ownership costs. Chad's advice that "if you can't afford one new" you really can't afford an old highly depreciated one is right on the money. Unless you are thoroughly knowledgeable about the costs and problems of owning a Mercedes do not go there unless it comes with a solid and long lived warranty.

Rocket88
03-20-10, 01:15 AM
I agree, any Fleetwood Brougham and a 560 SEL are not in the same league, but neither are the ownership costs. Chad's advice that "if you can't afford one new" you really can't afford an old highly depreciated one!

You can say that about near enough anything.

Mercedes from this era are not the stupidly complicated, electronic nightmares that the modern ones are. They are actually one of the most fun cars to work on that you can imagine. These ones were of the era when Mercedes was still run by engineers, and the S class was expected to be, and was, the best car in the world all around. The joys of working on them and actually seeing how beautifully made they are is something to behold.

Buying an older Mercedes is NOT like buying an old Lamborghini.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-20-10, 01:32 AM
You can say that about near enough anything.

Mercedes from this era are not the stupidly complicated, electronic nightmares that the modern ones are. They are actually one of the most fun cars to work on that you can imagine. These ones were of the era when Mercedes was still run by engineers, and the S class was expected to be, and was, the best car in the world all around. The joys of working on them and actually seeing how beautifully made they are is something to behold.

Buying an older Mercedes is NOT like buying an old Lamborghini.

Granted, the older Mercedes aren't nearly as complicated or electronically filled as the new ones are, but they're still not as cheap to repair as a Cadillac from that era. I had to replace the blower motor on my '99 S320, that was $1200. $800 for the ****ing Bosch part, and another $400 for labor, and that was at the dealer. Nobody else around here wanted to touch it (not many Mercedes specialists), and the ones that did would have charged about the same amount. I had a friend put a blower motor in his '90 Brougham, that cost him $12 and a half hour of labor.

EVERYTHING is more expensive on a German luxury car. How many quarts of oil does the 560 take? I bet it's synthetic, right? At the M-B dealer I'd go to, an oil change for any 6 or 8 cylinder car was $119.99. Granted, I had to only do it once every 7500 miles (or was it 9,000, I don't remember) but still, it's spendy!

Believe me, when I bought that S320, I was in LOVE with that car. No Cadillac was as solidly built, well engineered, and as magnificent as it was, but man those repair/maintenance bills killed me. Sure, I could have saved some money on labor if I did it myself, but I'm as useless as tits on a boar when it comes to wrenching.


And with all due respect, a 87 Brougham won't hold a candle to a 560 SEL. They are just not in the same league.

That is a fact, and if I had unlimited funds, I'd much rather go for the 560SEL, as it drives SO MUCH nicer than the Brougham (faster, sportier, not as soft & floaty), but being fiscally tight, I'd go for the Brougham, even if it isn't as nice to drive as the SEL.

Rocket88
03-20-10, 01:43 AM
Granted, the older Mercedes aren't nearly as complicated or electronically filled as the new ones are, but they're still not as cheap to repair as a Cadillac from that era. I had to replace the blower motor on my '99 S320, that was $1200. $800 for the ****ing Bosch part, and another $400 for labor, and that was at the dealer. Nobody else around here wanted to touch it (not many Mercedes specialists), and the ones that did would have charged about the same amount. I had a friend put a blower motor in his '90 Brougham, that cost him $12 and a half hour of labor.

EVERYTHING is more expensive on a German luxury car. How many quarts of oil does the 560 take? I bet it's synthetic, right? At the M-B dealer I'd go to, an oil change for any 6 or 8 cylinder car was $119.99. Granted, I had to only do it once every 7500 miles (or was it 9,000, I don't remember) but still, it's spendy!

Believe me, when I bought that S320, I was in LOVE with that car. No Cadillac was as solidly built, well engineered, and as magnificent as it was, but man those repair/maintenance bills killed me. Sure, I could have saved some money on labor if I did it myself, but I'm as useless as tits on a boar when it comes to wrenching.



That is a fact, and if I had unlimited funds, I'd much rather go for the 560SEL, as it drives SO MUCH nicer than the Brougham (faster, sportier, not as soft & floaty), but being fiscally tight, I'd go for the Brougham, even if it isn't as nice to drive as the SEL.

Problem is, you are talking about a TOTALLY different vehicle. The 87 is still built the old way, to a quality standard and to be fixable. The newer ones, anything after about a 1992 IS a mechanical nightmare, built to be flashy and gimmick laden to compete with Lexus.
Everything is more expensive on a Mercedes, because it is built to a totally different quality standard. Lets not forget, that the 87 Brougham shares it DNA (and a lot of other stuff) with a 1977 Impala. Yes, you will pay more for things, but you get a lot more for it too.
I would not recommend a cheap used 99, but the 87? Sure. Even better, dig up a 450 SEL and find out why Mercedes became the worlds best car.

Aron9000
03-20-10, 01:44 AM
I personally love the slightly vulgar looks of the Brougham and would drive one over that era Benz even if I had a bazillion dollars. Actually I'd probably have both if I had a bazillon dollars and a 20 stall garage.

Although I really do love the 70's-80's era SL, especially in European trim.