It all started back in April when my father was looking for a car to replace his trusty, but very rough and old '79 GMC van. His first idea was another van, but then he remembered how much he liked the mid-90's Caddy Fleetwoods. We set out on a search within a considerable distance, but found nothing. Then, on a whim, he decided to stop at a very small used car dealer that usually only has Buicks & Cadillacs, and found a Roadmaster. It was a '92 Limited with 183k miles (even I thought it was too much at first!), white with a 1/3 white vinyl roof, aluminum wheels, and a red leather interior. The guy wanted $2,900, and after trade, we drove away in it for only $2,500! Despite the mileage, there was NOTHING wrong with it, except for needing a good detail job--I'm a detailer on the side, so that was no problem either.

We had it for about a month, and my dad was loving it more everyday, when one day we saw a dark burgundy '93 or '94 Fleetwood Brougham when we were out shopping, and I said "Those are nice. I'd drive one." Little did I know he'd respond and say, "Well, maybe we should start looking for one and I'll get rid of my Chevelle". The Chevelle of course, was a 1969 Malibu that he had bought exactly 3 years ago, and swore he'd never get rid of. We put it up for sale a few days later. It took a while, and we got several calls, but we finally sold it to a woman who wanted it for her husband on their anniversary.

We started looking at Fleetwoods immediately as its replacement. The first was a black on black "base" in D.C., with 107k miles for $4,500. Mechanically and inside, it was nice, but the outside had several dings up the side, a few of the moldings were banged up, and a few other details could have been better. Kept it in mind, but continued looking. Next was a black on black '93 Brougham with a sunroof and 107k too, but it was in need of an oil change, the transmission fluid was mucky, the lower chrome panels were coming loose, several of the moldings were rough, and the paint looked faded. Not impressed at all, so we moved on. The next was a '93 black on tan base, this one with 97k miles, but it terrible shape. Sticky, dirty interior, faded paint, bad moldings, etc.,etc.--it was looking pretty grim. That night, I went on the net for my usual "Fleetwood search" and found a newly added one in Bethesda, MD. '93 Brougham, white, 88k miles, and several new parts. Called, and went to look at it the next day--and wrote a check after only 5 minutes. This one was in much, much better condition than the others, had less miles, was white (much easier maintenance), and was obviously better maintained.

The seller told us it was specially ordered by his father in Florida back in '93 (there's a gold Cadillac plaque with his name on the dash), was then given to him, but then began to be too large and hard to park. He told us that it was taken in twice a year to the Caddy dealer where he told them to fix or replace anything that needed it. To the eye, the only problem was how filthy the outside was (I attached a pic). Not a big problem however, just like the Buick, only worse.

We just picked it up last Saturday. Thankfully, he had gotten it cleaned before we picked it up, and while not to my standards, was much better than before. I detailed it, and have driven it a few times and LOVE IT! So far, just two minor issues to report. One, the front brake pads will need to be replaced soon. Second, there is a small oil drip from around the oil cooler (above the filter), but that is just a seal that needs to be replaced.

Both it and our Roadmaster are identical colors, inside and out. The only thing I don't like is that it seems to be a little louder than the Buick on the road, but I think that's mainly the off-brand tires on it that we plan on replacing in the next year.

My only other issue is that it came with no remote key fobs, so I ordered a set of 2 off Ebay for only $25 shipped. Now I just need to figure out how to program them! I have the instructions, but haven't yet found the right wire in the trunk. Oh well, I have a few days!

Just wanted to say hi, and post some pics of our new ride! I'll post the pics tomorrow!

Welcome...... And it sounds like a great find!!! I wish my car was taken into the dealer 2 times a year and have them replace everything that need it!!!!

Always great to hear someone has a new toy. I don't see the picture?

I have a FSM for a 93 I will sell you for $50 shipped.

Here are some pics



http://www.deanstud.com/permanentpics/93FSMb.jpg

http://www.deanstud.com/permanentpics/93FSMc.jpg

Congrats. Are you sure it came with RKE (remote keyless entry)? Not all Caddys came with it back then. I believe the RPO was "AU0". If that is NOT on the SPID label in the trunk, you DO NOT have a RKE system and the key fobs are useless to you. If in doubt, you can check with a local dealer to verify whether your car has it or not.

Another one joins the Fleetwood ranks.

Congradulations on your good tatse! ;)

Welcome aboard, CaddyCruiser! And thank you for signing up.. I'm glad to hear you found a nice Fleetwood! As soon as I sell my Vette, I'll be looking for a Brougham.. The '95 is my top pick but I'd take a nice '93 any day...

Thanks for the welcome! I'll be posting pics tonight--the car is gorgeous! We just made an appointment for Friday to have the front brake pads replaced and the slight oil leak fixed. I hope they do everything right and are gentle with our new baby--another garage we took the Buick to a couple of months ago cracked all the chrome covers off the driver's side seat lumbar switches. Not a big deal, but I notice it!

I just got the remotes in the mail tonight. I'm going out right now to see if it actually has provisions for RKE, now that I know it might not....I sure hope it does. I couldn't find the right wire for the past few days, and this might be why :suspense:

I went out again tonight, and once again, no programming connector wires to be found. I found no loose wire--everything is connected. Also, I looked for that code "AUO" on the trunk lid label, but it isn't there. We asked the guy we bought it from, and he said that all he could think of is that his father ordered the car without them--no way, according to my information. He even thought it was strange, because he had several older Caddy's that had RKE standard. I did, and still do think that his father (whose name is still on the dash plaque) just lost them somewhere in Florida.

On every piece of information I have, including very exact standard feature lists, RKE is a standard Fleetwood feature and has been since 1993 (and probably before). The Fleetwood is the flagship, and I can't imagine it not having such a common convenience.

Now, if someone who has done this before would please give me proper instructions, I might be able to get the remotes programmed. I have the instructions from the AWH website, a few notes from someone on another Caddy board, and a third set of directions completely different from the first two from someone else. Does anyone know the right way to do it!?

Oh, by the way, pics are on the way in about an hour! :D

I also forgot to say, the car was advertised for only $4,750. It had been listed Friday, and this was Saturday. We called that night, went Sunday morning, and wrote a check for only $4,500! He had said someone else wanted to look at it that afternoon, and we knew if we didn't cut a check right then and there, we'd lose it. The condition of the car was that much higher than all the rest.

Pics are coming!

Here's one after some mud running, the day we looked at it. I asked where it all came from, and all he did was smile and say "it rained a lot lately". Okay, fine, but where did the mud come from!?

It was NASTY outside, very clean inside. The white vinyl roof was also mildewed blackish. Some bleach and a scrub brush fixed that!

And this, is now!

I love this deep red leather interior...the same as our matching white Roadmaster. More unique than the typical black, gray, or tan!

I'm not kidding. The RKE was an option. We had a loaded '94 Brougham WITHOUT RKE. The module is on the back deck directly ahead of the high-mount brake light, and under the upholstered panel. I'll look up the programming procedure in the AM for you.

One more, then I'll put all the rest (a lot!) in another album and post the link. This one shows both the '93 Fleetwood and our '92 Roadmaster; both the same white outside and the same red on the inside.

It's directly under the center rear light? I've been searching to the left of the left side hinge, because that's where my instructions said to look. I have all the rest of the instructions, I just need to find the module, if it's even there. What does it look like? How do I "short" it?

I love this deep red leather interior...the same as our matching white Roadmaster. More unique than the typical black, gray, or tan!
RED INTERIOR!!!! :shocked2:

Thats not something...... I can handle :vomit:

Sorry, but I do like the outside.......

Holly Blood Bath Batman!

!RED!

:rolling:


Give us a SPID picture.......

It's directly under the center rear light? I've been searching to the left of the left side hinge, because that's where my instructions said to look. I have all the rest of the instructions, I just need to find the module, if it's even there. What does it look like? How do I "short" it?

It's under the carpeted top piece, not under the shelf. You access it from inside the car, not inside the trunk.

Programming is done by grounding the "Programming Connector" located in the trunk attached to the left side brace behind the carpeted trim panel.
If you don't have the harness there, you don't have RKE installed on your car.

That's a VERY nice '93!! I'd have taken it for sure...

Sweet deal man. I dig it. Especially the interior :thumbsup: . Enjoy and welcome.

RED!? Yes, it's red, but a very nice, deep, rich red. It's not as bright and "fire engine" as my camera makes it look. I love it!

Thanks for the comments! I sure hope I can find the harness for the RKE, because that's the only thing I don't like about the car.

Last night I went out to close the windows, turned the key to the run position, and for some reason left it that way but didn't know it. My brother called me at work today when he went to open the windows and found the key still in the run position and everything pretty much dead. I can't believe I was that stupid....my father jumped it with the Buick to get it started, and now everything seems okay. What an idiot...

Here's the SPID label. The more I look, the more I think this car doesn't have RKE installed. Maybe it's there and I'm not seeing it. Then again, maybe it's not and the guy we bought it from was right when he said it wasn't there in the first place, he thinks.

Does anyone know of options this particular sticker shows? How can I tell if it has the trailering package? Of the four '93 Fleetwoods I've seen, three had one type of cooling fan and one had the other. I just don't know which is which. The one odd one had a large plastic shroud arched over the cooling fan, the other three (including ours) has something different. Which is which??

Oh, from the SPID label, does it have RKE?

Oh, from the SPID label, does it have RKE?

You could start here:
http://209.145.176.7/~090/awh/cfb.html#spid

Oh, from the SPID label, does it have RKE?

It appears the code is AUO.

It appears the code is AUO.


Well, our cars SPID label does not have AUO on it, but I still think it has remote entry. This is only because I was told by two Caddy dealers that all '93-'96 Fleetwoods had RKE standard, and that there was no way one wouldn't have it. One of us must be nuts...I don't know who though!

I will find that harness...it has to be there somewhere!

Well, our cars SPID label does not have AUO on it, but I still think it has remote entry. This is only because I was told by two Caddy dealers that all '93-'96 Fleetwoods had RKE standard, and that there was no way one wouldn't have it. One of us must be nuts...I don't know who though!

I will find that harness...it has to be there somewhere!


Well, that told me that it doesn't have the trailering package. I still don't know about the RKE. If I can't find it (and the fact that about 6 different people have all given me completely DIFFERENT instructions on where and what to look for when finding the wire), I'll just have to take it to a dealer and see if they can figure it out. I originally started with the simple sounding instructions off the AWH site, but finally had to go to the net after being unable to find what wire they were talking about.

Such a pain in the butt just to get 2 little clickers working! I may as well just use the keys and forget about it! I also took some pictures of the wires that are in the trunk, and will post them next. Hopefully, someone here can spot what I'm looking for and point it out to me.

I'm beginning to sound like a big pain in the butt....

Well, our cars SPID label does not have AUO on it, but I still think it has remote entry. This is only because I was told by two Caddy dealers that all '93-'96 Fleetwoods had RKE standard, and that there was no way one wouldn't have it. One of us must be nuts...I don't know who though!

I will find that harness...it has to be there somewhere!

http://www.geocities.com/g_source/techinfo/rpo.html

Ok, how about AX3?!

Here are two pics of the wires to the left of the left trunk hinge. Is it any of these?

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Ok, how about AX3?!

Nope you don't have that either.

Here's a few more. The first is near the left hinge again, the second is the electrical box against the back seat, and the third are wires to the left and above that box.

Nope you don't have that either.

Nope, don't have AX3 either. But I'm just starting to think that maybe not everything is listed on this label. Actually, I know not everything is on this label, because some features (like RKE) should be common sense items that are standard issue, and therefore don't need a special marking. I've seen a few different SPID labels on the Fleetwoods we looked at, and to the best of my knowledge, I don't think any had AUO or AX3 listed, but one of them sure did have RKE because I had the fob in my hand and used it.

Ahhh, the search goes on!

And this, is now!

Amazing what a little soap and water can do Huh. NICE Fleetwood!

Here's the SPID label. The more I look, the more I think this car doesn't have RKE installed. Maybe it's there and I'm not seeing it. Then again, maybe it's not and the guy we bought it from was right when he said it wasn't there in the first place, he thinks.


Gee YA THINK?

Gee YA THINK?

Hey now, no need to be rude! I know I sound stupid the more and more I repeat it, but I just don't believe a car like this, that's a '93 wouldn't have the feature. That's just dumb.


On another note though:
"Amazing what a little soap and water can do Huh. NICE Fleetwood!"

Thanks! At least I wasn't the one who had to get rid of most of the mess! It was that way the day we looked at it (so much crap on it, in fact, that the guy was using a broom to brush some debris off as we were pulling up!). But, a few days before we went to pick it up, we spoke to him on the phone and he said that he had gotten the car cleaned. It was much better, but still needed another detail job. I think it was a "gas station detail", as in, run through the automatic car wash, scrubbed a little, some inexpensive wax thrown on, a vaccuum, and tire shine. An improvement, but not to my standards, so I spent the last two weekends fully re-detailing it.

Now, it really is beautiful. It goes in for new front brakes and an oil leak fix tomorrow...I hope they don't screw anything up!

Here's a link to more pics of the Fleetwood & Roadmaster:

Fleetwood & Roadmaster (http://community.webshots.com/album/82288071vwMFgB)

Here's a link to more pics of the Fleetwood & Roadmaster:

Fleetwood & Roadmaster (http://community.webshots.com/album/82288071vwMFgB)

Looks good in white! :thumbsup:

I wonder if A.) Red interior was available with Black exterior and B.) If anyone ordered it like that. I think that would look pretty cool!

I'm a fan of red & black, too. :thumbsup:

My father drives a white '94 Mercedes S420 with about 125,000 miles on it. He bought it new. Every couple of years I give it the claybar/buff/wax treatment for Father's Day. It looks brand new when I'm done and he swears he'll never trade it.

White can look spectacular if it's well taken care of.

Hey now, no need to be rude! I know I sound stupid the more and more I repeat it, but I just don't believe a car like this, that's a '93 wouldn't have the feature. That's just dumb.

Don't mind him he's our "I told you so" moderator. :canttalk:

Yeah he just likes to piss in your cereal bowl. If he don't do that then he don't like you.

Gimme a break guys, I gave him ALL the info to verify, the guy he bought it from, told him it didn't have it, what else does he need before he believes it? Hell, a quick call to any GM dealer can confirm that it was an option on that car.

Gimme a break guys, I gave him ALL the info to verify, the guy he bought it from, told him it didn't have it, what else does he need before he believes it? Hell, a quick call to any GM dealer can confirm that it was an option on that car.


I know, I know. I've given up the issue and will just have to find something to do with the two remotes I bought. Didn't mean to make it look like I didn't believe you--I did, it just seemed overtly stupid for a $40k car in the 90's to have the feature as an option!

On another note, we got the Fleetwood fixed today! They put on new brake pads, supposedly the best there are, and they fixed the oil leak around the seal to the oil cooler. Apparently, this is common to certain GM cars after the seal flattens out over time. Now it really is in TIP-TOP shape!

Gimme a break guys, I gave him ALL the info to verify, the guy he bought it from, told him it didn't have it, what else does he need before he believes it? Hell, a quick call to any GM dealer can confirm that it was an option on that car.

By the way, your '95 is the most awesome Fleetwood I've ever seen. I saw it several months ago when I was on CarDomain looking around, and loved it! Did you used to work for Cadillac?

You're right, it IS stupid for the car to NOT have the RKE. I learned the hard way just like you though. After we bought a used '94 Brougham with "all the options", we found it had no RKE. It was a BIG surprise to me too.
Thanks for the comments on my car, I DO appreciate it.
No, I never worked "directly" for Cadillac. I DID a lot of consulting for them in the 80's and 90's. I worked on durability type projects with them (different GM engineering groups) mostly in a fleet environment.
BTW, Where in DE are you? My family owns some properties and a couple factories in Smyrna, are you anywhere near there? Matter of fact, I was there all day today.

Caddycruiser, I sent you a pm. Lets talk about those remotes.

OJ should have used that car based on the interior colour!

Caddycruiser... Awesome ride! I love the color combo. Looks beautiful all cleaned up! :)

I love these big Fleetwoods. Nothing like them on the road!

Oh, and if you're interested, I have a brand new Crimestopper alarm with Keyless entry that I'll let go real cheap. Brand new in box, has all instructions. I think you can do a trunk pop with it too. :) Like 40 bucks and it's yours. :)

Caddycruiser... Awesome ride! I love the color combo. Looks beautiful all cleaned up! :)

I love these big Fleetwoods. Nothing like them on the road!

Oh, and if you're interested, I have a brand new Crimestopper alarm with Keyless entry that I'll let go real cheap. Brand new in box, has all instructions. I think you can do a trunk pop with it too. :) Like 40 bucks and it's yours. :)


Holy hell!!! Your car is nasty, in a good way! I love driving our (somewhat mine...) Fleetwood too, even if it is the '93 with the old engine. Sure as hell doesn't feel as slow as I thought it would be! Punch it, and theres very little noise, but it pushes you back in the seat and flys!

Oh, and about the alarm, I've been thinking that's what I may do. I don't think this car has RKE (after I already bought the remotes!), but I still want to have a remote that locks, unlocks, and pops the trunk...the added security from an alarm would also be great. How hard is it to install one of these? I'm not sure I could do it, but I might be able to get someone else to. I'll think about it and let you know soon! Have any pics of it?

I don't think I've ever seen another Fleetwood with this red interior! I've seen black, I've seen blue, I've seen neutral, and I've seen dark burgundy, but never red! It makes the car very unique and I love it more everyday! I just washed it this morning, and wow, is it ever sparkling! Some German wax doesn't hurt either!

You're right, it IS stupid for the car to NOT have the RKE. I learned the hard way just like you though. After we bought a used '94 Brougham with "all the options", we found it had no RKE. It was a BIG surprise to me too.
Thanks for the comments on my car, I DO appreciate it.
No, I never worked "directly" for Cadillac. I DID a lot of consulting for them in the 80's and 90's. I worked on durability type projects with them (different GM engineering groups) mostly in a fleet environment.
BTW, Where in DE are you? My family owns some properties and a couple factories in Smyrna, are you anywhere near there? Matter of fact, I was there all day today.



I'm about an 1 to 1.5 hours south of Smyrna, but I go through there every now and then on my way to AI Dupont hospital in Wilmington. I live just east of Millsboro, only 10 minutes away from Rehoboth and Dewey beaches.

Gimme a break guys, I gave him ALL the info to verify, the guy he bought it from, told him it didn't have it, what else does he need before he believes it? Hell, a quick call to any GM dealer can confirm that it was an option on that car.
I'm sure it was just 'hope' and wishful thinking that kept him believing... :D

Did you read that pm I sent you caddycruiser? I'm interested in those remotes.

Did you read that pm I sent you caddycruiser? I'm interested in those remotes.


Yes, I did, but I'm just not sure what I want to do with the remotes just yet. I just found two loose wires in the trunk where someone else on another board told me to look, but I'm not sure what they're to. They're probably not RKE wires, but I'm not sure. I have pics that I'm posting here next...

In the meantime, I took some pics of them for you. The one is pretty close to new, but the logos on the other one are pretty much worn off. You can setill see them faintly, but the main black part is gone. However, the buttons and other plastic are like new.

Here are the pics of the remotes.

Remote Pic #1 (http://community.webshots.com/photo/82288071/82948412MeRjkd)

Remote Pic #2 (http://community.webshots.com/photo/82288071/82948444QoiLXh)

I looked it up, RKE didn't become a "standard" feature on the Fleetwood until '95. Couldn't find anything telling whether it was an option on a '93 or not.

Well, on Friday night, I found two loose wires not connected to anything on the left side of the trunk, behind the carpeting. One is orange and the other is yellow, both with a female connector on the end (it goes in...). I made a separate topic about them with pics, but no one has responded. Does anyone know what they might be for???

Did you read that pm I sent you caddycruiser? I'm interested in those remotes.


I sent you a PM about the remotes--they're now for sale.

I love white Fleetwoods. And that red is so gaudy. I love it.

I love white Fleetwoods. And that red is so gaudy. I love it.


I'm really serious--it is not that bright red in the pictures. It's red, for sure, but a nice deep, rich, wine-like color. However, I've NEVER seen another Fleetwood with the same color inside, so it must really be the rare special order that we were told of.

Regardless, thanks for the comment! It really does look great, all white, and after giving it its weekly bath last night, EVERYONE was staring and pointing at it this morning at church!

I'm really serious--it is not that bright red in the pictures. It's red, for sure, but a nice deep, rich, wine-like color.

Ahhh, I thought you actually had a factory bright red interior. And to think I was jealous. ;)

Ahhh, I thought you actually had a factory bright red interior. And to think I was jealous. ;)


Well, you still can be jealous--it is actually red, not fire engine red, but about the next shade darker to it. I know I keep trying to explain it in every other post (getting old, I know), but I've just never seen this color in ANY other Fleetwood. Our Roadmaster is identical colors, and the interior is actually classified as "RED" on the build sheet.

It would look great in your black Fleetwood! Oh, and just to mention it, this is NOT the burgundy you'll every so often see in Fleetwoods. Much brighter.

Either way, it looks great inside an all white car!!