: Dash design what is your preference?



orconn
03-04-10, 04:41 PM
While the trend in dash design seems to be toward the "boombox" or super zoomie style dash design and particularly instrument and control display, I wonder if this really contributes to ergometrics or is just someone's idea of what generation Y is really looking for? The new Camaro dash is an example of this genre, as is the Pontiac Bonneville GXP. This trend is not only affecting Detroit cars but seems to infiltrated European interiors also.

I have come to thoroughly appreciate the simple elegance and excellent ergometric usability of my series 4 Seville's dash. All the essential gauges in the binacle. The dash on my wife's series 5 Seville with it its' bright lights everywhere and the jukebox speedometer and tach is about as far towards "la la land" as I want to go.

What are your thoughts?

Submariner409
03-04-10, 05:11 PM
I hate to admit this, but after a LOT of staring at various submarine control panels and electronics I sort of enjoy the lighted buttons and bells and whistles - guess I'm into the "max info" mode.

Even many years ago, driving MG, Jaguar, and Austin-Healey was also an instrument-filled experience - all analog, of course, but you still knew what was going on.

NO, not the overdone "La-La Land" instrumentation: efficient information, all in one place. My STS is pretty good, but I wish it had real oil and temperature gauges. I HATE idiot lights and unmarked "gauges". Thus my investment in a ScanGauge (www.scangauge.com)

Ranger
03-04-10, 05:17 PM
I absolutely LOVE the electo-luminescent gauge cluster in my DHS.

hueterm
03-04-10, 06:51 PM
The design started w/the '92 Seville/Eldo, and '94-99 Deville w/the A/C part of the IP Cluster is my favorite -- along w/the (crappy warping) sloping dash pads and strip of Zebrano. Beautiful when in good shape...

orconn
03-04-10, 07:26 PM
I'm definitely with you Sub, I want all the information I can get and I want it all together. The old British dashes gave you the info, but they spread it across the dsah. The Italians were much better putting all the gauges in the binacle in front of the driver.

On my '95 Seville I can get the information on actual coolant temperature, alternator, etc. from the info center screen below the analog gauges. The "idiot" lights are only to alert you to the problem if you haven't chacked for the actual info. Does the series 5 dash include this "information" feature?

My biggest problem with the speedometer and tach on my wife's '02 is that in certain daylight circumstances I can't see the gauges because of the way the outside light strikes the panel.

itschrome
03-04-10, 07:27 PM
I like the general lay out of my 4th gen Seville but it feels like it ws made for a car with a bench seat. when I sit in a car i want to feel like I am in a cockpit. i want the center cluster slight angled in. for instance if I may seal from another thread, for lack of other references at the moment.
http://www.motivemagazine.com/emAlbum/albums/Manufacturers/Pontiac/Bonneville/2000-2005/Interior/pontiac-bonneville-005.jpg
I dont like the actual dash at all, kind of gaudy. but see how cockpit like the driver seat it. the center is setup for easier use by the driver.. I love that.

I am also with Sub on the max info thing. I love gauges and buttons. I hate touch screen systems. think of pre-idrive BMW's.. straight button porn.

orconn
03-04-10, 07:36 PM
^^^ you would love the dash of the last generation Aurora. I don't mind the instruments being angled to the driver (keeps the idiots who think they should control the radio and HVAC in their place. I quess my problem is with the redundancy of controls for the radio and HVAC and whatever else they have shining from the center cluster and console.

As for the Bonneville GXP dash I just want say "quit playing with all that crap and drive!!"

gdwriter
03-04-10, 07:51 PM
I absolutely LOVE the electo-luminescent gauge cluster in my DHS.I feel the same about the similar cluster in my Seville. I don't find it similar to a jukebox at all. Love to watch those big red needles swing around when accelerating.

I also loved the dash and gauge cluster in my '74 Celica (this is from a brochure), despite the badly fake wood trim:

http://www.gdwriter.q45.org/Celica_dash.jpg

Speedometer and tachometer right in from of the driver, then fuel, water temp, voltmeter and oil pressure in the three gauges to the right. Toyota mimicked the 240Z.

gary88
03-04-10, 07:54 PM
I love the gauge cluster in the Bimmer. Beautifully crafted and simple. Very easy to read and the orange looks great at night (one of the easiest colors on the eyes). Plus I love having an oil temp gauge.

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1227/img4505o.jpg

orconn
03-04-10, 08:04 PM
^^ Nice, but I'd rather have the fuel gauge above and between the speedo and the tach and a water temp gauge in addition to the oil temp.

Jesda
03-04-10, 08:18 PM
I HATE HATE HATE BMW's endless use of red and orange. They're colors that make me crazy, the same reason I don't like shopping at Target. Too much damn red!

itschrome
03-04-10, 08:23 PM
^^^ you would love the dash of the last generation Aurora. I don't mind the instruments being angled to the driver (keeps the idiots who think they should control the radio and HVAC in their place. I quess my problem is with the redundancy of controls for the radio and HVAC and whatever else they have shining from the center cluster and console.

http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2001_olds_aurora_interior_100001007_m.jpg

You sir would be correct.. I love it in deed! I think this is how every car should be.


As for the Bonneville GXP dash I just want say "quit playing with all that crap and drive!!"
HAHA, Its too hard to not play with the air vents, they look like nipples...

Stingroo
03-04-10, 08:26 PM
^ That is 99% perfect. I hate the whole jigsaw shifter thing though. It looks so retarded, and whenever I look at a car interior, my eye is instantly drawn to its idiocy.

Bleh.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-04-10, 08:42 PM
My favorite dashes:

96-02 Eldorado/96-97 Seville/97-99 DeVille Concours. Clean & Elegant. Nice Zebrano wood trim, which was unique and went very well with any interior color. They had all the necessary instrumentation, all laid out in gauges that were easy to read and look at.
http://images2.ecarlist.com/photos/1079_531810/640/58.jpg

91-96 Park Avenue. Much like the Cadillacs listed above, but the dash wasn't gently peaked like the Cadillacs'
http://images6.ecarlist.com/photos/1316_523858/800/18.jpg

1992-99 S Class. Much like the Cadillac's dash, but it lacked the digital trip computer. I love how the Mercedes had that little compartment on the top center of the dash, and how the bottom of the dashboard was covered in plush carpeting.
http://images6.ecarlist.com/photos/1136_529232/640/10.jpg

hueterm
03-04-10, 08:58 PM
The original cockpit interior:

itschrome
03-04-10, 09:03 PM
The original cockpit interior:

got more info?whats it from?

Stingroo
03-04-10, 09:09 PM
Dashboard says Grand Prix (it's kind of light, and blends with the light in the photo).

MacMuse
03-04-10, 09:20 PM
Speaking of dashes, here's my rental today (reason for the rental will be covered in the STS forum later).

A Cadillac SRX V6.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/MacMuse/CAR/a76151e5.jpg
This is just after starting the engine (jeesh, hate that you can't say 'cranking the key' anymore). The central blue dial is an LED/LCD display. The Caddy logo faded away after a few seconds, but was beautiful while it lasted.

MacMuse
03-04-10, 09:50 PM
Oh yeah - a little problem with the SRX dash.

I took this from my eye level. Now look at the center stack. The top display (you can see a 780 on the screen, radio station that was on). Can you see all the information above the 780? No? Me neither. That's the cabin temperature setting and outdoor temp. And I don't know what else might go there - it was just a 1-day rental.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b215/MacMuse/CAR/aac8916b.jpg

Now I may be a little tall, but my head was NOT even hitting the ceiling. There is no way I can see that portion of the display without bending over. What a complete design fail.

hueterm
03-04-10, 10:01 PM
got more info?whats it from?

It's my 1970 Grand Prix. It was apparently a very revolutionary interior for the time.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-04-10, 10:20 PM
Other dashboard designs I really like.

1995-99 Aurora. Very sporty for a full size luxury sedan, yet still very luxurious. I like it's "cockpit" design.
http://images2.auction123.com/6e448bec-637f-4a1d-8011-b720c5d6634e/1G3GR62C7W4101181/16.jpg?webimage001l

1991-93 Buick Roadmaster/Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser. Full instrumentation and plenty of (faux) wood trim. Reminds me of a Jaguar.
http://i.ebayimg.com/18/!!fvCz0g!mE~$(KGrHqIH-CgEtq02t1+LBLiZ3KGFC!~~_4.JPG

And I hate to give them any credit, but Audi/VW always did a nice job on the 98-03 era interiors. This is an '00 A8L.
http://images5.ecarlist.com/photos/1418_408554/640/27.jpg

And a Phaeton.
http://photos.ebizautos.com/5428/5249585/5249585_23.jpg

Bentley Continental family.
http://photos2.liquidmotors.com/kd2535/kl10790935/v2/ds5/szLG/po7/pic.aspx

hueterm
03-04-10, 10:24 PM
The original Aurora has the best gearshift EVAH!!

Stingroo
03-04-10, 10:30 PM
I'm going to get a Custom Cruiser instrument panel for my Caprice to replace the speedometer-only thing that's in there. :) Got the idea from the Wagon Forum. :D

gdwriter
03-04-10, 10:30 PM
It's my 1970 Grand Prix. It was apparently a very revolutionary interior for the time.That Grand Prix interior is very sharp. An excellent design.

ben.gators
03-04-10, 11:05 PM
HAHA, Its too hard to not play with the air vents, they look like nipples...

:histeric::histeric:

One of the best jokes that I have heard in this forum, very good! However for playing nipples are indeed very good:D

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-04-10, 11:06 PM
I prefer the 80's. Not the best ergonomically, but I know what every button and switch does without even having to look at them.


http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1988%20LSC/IMG_0442.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0122.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0108.jpg

orconn
03-04-10, 11:17 PM
I also believe it was the '70 Grand Prix that was one of the first cars to have the driver oriented "cockpit dash." Although if memory serves me correctly the Studebaker also had the instruments in a driver oriented layout.

gary88
03-04-10, 11:25 PM
And a Phaeton.
http://photos.ebizautos.com/5428/5249585/5249585_23.jpg


One thing I love about those are the AC vents. When the interior reaches its desired temperature, those wood covers come down and act as radiators. Would be nice on hot days to keep the interior cool without having freezing air blasting across your knuckles.

Stingroo
03-04-10, 11:28 PM
^ All cars should do that. Then the dashboard looks much more tasteful with the vents covered anyway.

That's even cooler than Mazda's oscillating vents, I dare say.

This is basically what I got most of my driving time (to date) in, except ours didn't have the heated seats (or the tacky fuzzy dice):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/jitb37/my929/work/100_1168.jpg

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
03-04-10, 11:46 PM
Oh, forgot the fact that I LOVE the interior on my grandpa's Silverado. Very comfortable, everything within reach and easy to use.


http://image.motortrend.com/f/8515621+w750/163_0308_3way_z+2003_chevrolet_silverado_ss+front_ interior_view.jpg

ben.gators
03-05-10, 12:29 AM
I do like dash design of Olds Aurora 2000+.
Also I think without a stick shifter on floor and the middle console, dash looks odd and too long! Although floor stick shifter is not a part of dashboard, it plays a big role in making the dashboard beautiful. One of main advantageous of interior design of Seville over Deville is this fact!

thebigjimsho
03-05-10, 12:44 AM
Probably one of my favorite dashboards ever. Simple. Detailed. And the tach is in the middle! 90's Toyota Supra...























http://image.modified.com/f/16074212/sccp_0211_06_z+1998_toyota_supra_turbo_triplets+ka run_interior.jpg

Kick94sts
03-05-10, 01:22 AM
I really like my trucks gauge layout, I wish my Seville's was more like it.

Not the best picture-

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m154/d_fisch77/DSC_0207.jpg

Stingroo
03-05-10, 01:24 AM
Is that a bottle of Welch's Cherry Burst I spy? :)

Kick94sts
03-05-10, 01:26 AM
Nope, just normal fruit punch. Nice try though! lol

Stingroo
03-05-10, 01:52 AM
Booooo! Cherry burst is where it's at son!

Aron9000
03-05-10, 02:22 AM
I always like the dashboards with flat tops. A full set of round gauges is another must IMO. Keeping an uncluttered look is another pet peeve.

Cool design let down by cheap materials, 95-99 Riveria:

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/autoreview/400x266/1995-99-Buick-Riviera-96121301991014.jpg

1990-92 Cadillac Brougham, even though there is a lot going on with the woodgrain, the lines are clean, controls are logical and every button is chrome plated. I even like the digital readouts, just wish there was more of them to tell you basic stuff like rpm, oil pressure, coolant temp, etc.

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3677/3561/21691780004_large.jpg

2007-2010 Cadillac Escalade- Even though there is a lot of buttons, it has a clean, coheasive design:
http://l.yimg.com/dv/izp/cadillac_escalade_awd_2010_dashboard_dashboard.jpg

63-67 Vette, well it just exudes coolness, and I love the symetry, every Corvette since then has had a really cheap, poorly designed interiorhttp://www.corvettepartsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/1967-026.jpg

Jesda
03-05-10, 05:38 AM
I love the 98-03 Seville interior for its look and smell. The center console teardrop shape is beautiful. Unfortunately, the pieces are poorly assembled. Ian and I spent hours doing little fixes, tightening loose panels and chasing rattles on the interior of my '98.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/1990-1999-cadillac-17.jpg

The interior of my 92 STS is reasonably well made, surviving almost 20 years of abuse, but the gauges look cheap. The whole interior *looks* less expensive than the 98+ despite being much higher quality. The wood is unfortunately cracked because of a heater core repair that required its removal. Everything else is still in reasonably good shape. Mine also has the ugly rectangular van-like steering wheel not shown in this photo.

http://www.carstereohelp.com/images/CadEldorado012901x.jpg




This is my favorite of all time:
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/vehicle-pictures/1996/infiniti/q45/94804021990119-480.jpg
The inside of the 90-96 Q45 was just amazing. Every surface was padded and very tightly assembled. Lexus had more soft touch surfaces and pleasing earth tones, but the Q took it to a near-Audi level of interior awesomeness.

ryannel2003
03-05-10, 09:43 AM
I love the 98-03 Seville interior for its look and smell. The center console teardrop shape is beautiful. Unfortunately, the pieces are poorly assembled. Ian and I spent hours doing little fixes, tightening loose panels and chasing rattles on the interior of my '98.

Welcome to my life.

itschrome
03-05-10, 09:48 AM
This is my favorite of all time:
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/vehicle-pictures/1996/infiniti/q45/94804021990119-480.jpg
The inside of the 90-96 Q45 was just amazing. Every surface was padded and very tightly assembled. Lexus had more soft touch surfaces and pleasing earth tones, but the Q took it to a near-Audi level of interior awesomeness.

Oh that is nice.. I mean could use some cosmetic touches but the lay out and design are perfect.

Jesda
03-05-10, 10:13 AM
I always like the dashboards with flat tops. A full set of round gauges is another must IMO. Keeping an uncluttered look is another pet peeve.

Cool design let down by cheap materials, 95-99 Riveria:

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/autoreview/400x266/1995-99-Buick-Riviera-96121301991014.jpg

A modern classic

hueterm
03-05-10, 10:16 AM
A modern classic


From when GM had balls....

thebigjimsho
03-05-10, 10:24 AM
I am not a fan of flat topped dashes, but, like you said Jesda, the 98-03 teardrop dashes in the STS were gorgeous.


Worst dash ever? The deeply depressed, ugly, flat top dashes of the 80s F-body cars. The ugliness, the rattling and you could watch the whole dash jump up and down like a truck....

MacMuse
03-05-10, 01:11 PM
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn17/Saber2580/My%20Cars/1990%20Brougham/IMG_0122.jpg




I must beg to differ on this one... 95.9 The River is *NOT* 'HARDROCK'.

;)

77CDV
03-05-10, 11:55 PM
My personal all-time favorite dash design (ok, I'm biased, so what!):

http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/cadillac/bilder/77ca13.jpg

Jesda
03-06-10, 06:31 AM
I love how the trunk is appropriately described as "Cadillac-sized"

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-06-10, 07:13 AM
God forbid if it was "Lincoln Sized"!

Destroyer
03-07-10, 12:01 AM
Damn some your favorite dashboards are ugly guys! Especially the Mark VII dash, absolutely hideous from any angle (I do like Mark VII's, just not the dashboard). The newer Cadillacs kinda suck too and what is up with the Chevy truck dash? Just like the cheapy dash I had in my Chevy conversion vans! I am approaching the 200 mark as far as cars I've owned. Out of all those cars the dashboard I loved the most is that of my '85 Porsche 928S. Very business like in it's layout but still luxurious and soft to the touch as it was all leather. Definately felt like a "cockpit". Had an '86 Corvette too and absolutely hated the interior on that one. This pic is of a 1989 Porsche 928 model which was identical to my '85.

Jesda
03-07-10, 12:06 AM
I love the Mark VIII dashboard. Way ahead of its time. You can see the general idea of it in the new Jaguar XJ

Rodya234
03-07-10, 12:24 AM
Mine also has the ugly rectangular van-like steering wheel not shown in this photo.


Hey, I like our steering wheel! Its comfy! :thepan:

But I do admit it doesn't fit well in a performance oriented car like the STS, but it looks extraordinarily normal inside of a DeVille.....:shhh:

Jesda
03-07-10, 12:26 AM
I hold it on the sides of the hub like a loaf of bread. Its oddly pleasing.

That could be a dangerous quote out of context.

V-Eight
03-07-10, 01:17 AM
I hold it on top

I~LUV~Caddys8792
03-07-10, 08:03 AM
I held mine on the rim.

Aron9000
03-07-10, 11:58 AM
I grab it with my thumb and index finger, one hand only please. It requires very little attention and a light touch, and it'll stay pointed straight.