: 1996 Fleetwood Brougham vs 1991 Brougham D'Elegance



Aron9000
01-12-10, 07:26 AM
I'm seriously considering the purchase of a really nice 1996 Fleetwood Brougham with 73,000 miles. Its in Florida on ebay right now.

Age is starting to catch up with my 1991 Brougham, I'd like to unload it before it needs a paint job/restoration work in the next 2-3 years.

Anyways, I know the LT1 will have signifcantly more power than my old LO5 350. I know about all the weird opti-spark design, as that tends to be the major mechanical problem with these cars. Any other mechanical issues I should know about? Are these cars any harder on suspension bits than the older bodystyle that I am driving? I know my old 1991 had new shocks put on it when I bought it.

Anyways I know the drivers seat tends to wear pretty fast on the 93-96 Fleetwood, but the pictures show almost zero wear on the bottom cushion.

Any other quirks/oddities that I should ask about? I know to ask the usual bs about the car regarding rust(its a Florida car so that shouldn't be an issue), mechanical issues, cosmetic condition, service records, does every bell and whistle work, etc.

Also, how does the driver's throne compare to the one in my 1991. I know that is the most comfortable car seat I've ever sat in.

robb257731
01-12-10, 09:51 AM
Wow....I was thinking about the exact same thing....I love my 1991 Brougham D'Elegance, but have been thinking about a 1996 lately too. I keep thinking of the legendary 'Corvette in a Tuxedo' that I've seen on here. Unfortunately they're about as common as hen's teeth up here.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
01-12-10, 11:27 AM
I drove one of Elias's '93 Fleets he had a while back. It rode very well, better than my tow package equipped Brougham by a long shot. The seats were very comfortable and driving position was good. The only drawback is the front knee room. I am 6'4" and even with the seat all the way back there was only about 2-3 inches between my knees and the dash. Its surprisingly small for such a large car and that is the only reason I do not own one.

Bro-Ham
01-12-10, 11:59 AM
Box vs. Bubble :)

durrk johnson
01-12-10, 12:35 PM
I must say... That I have owned an 80 CDV and now this 96 FWB... Well, actually the only two cars i ever owned. haha

An 80' CDV isnt a 91' d'elegance, so I cant say that the 96' is better, its just a different beast. So, I wouldnt expect it to be the same you know?

But what I can say is that this 96' FWB is the nicest car I have ever driven, (Even though Im 23, and Ive only driven about 10 or 15 cars. haha) but I enjoy everytime I drive it. I cant wait to get new wheels in the spring. :)

thefleetwoodguy
01-12-10, 02:33 PM
do it!!!!

robb257731
01-12-10, 03:47 PM
I hear you DirtCheap...I'm 6'5 myself,and I'm always surprised at how little legroom there is in my 91. I've heard about the 93-96s being short on legroom too. That being said, I've never FOUND one for sale locally so I haven't had the opportunity to take one out for a test drive.

My daily driver is a 98 Monte Carlo....can't be beaten for legroom.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
01-12-10, 05:36 PM
Yeah, the legroom in my Brougham is not super great, but I can still get settled in and very comfortable and just drive all day in that car. The last gen Fleets though the legroom is just terrible.

durrk johnson
01-12-10, 05:48 PM
Hmm, I dunno, Im a big guy, (6'1/270) And there is more than sufficient legroom for me in my fleetwood, and my seat settings arent all the way down. BUt I guess you could be right because my bro is like 6'4 and he looks smushed in the passenger seat. haha

Cadillacboy
01-12-10, 07:07 PM
I think you should go for '96 Fleetwood Brougham . This is the most gorgeous as well as most imposing Cadillac ever made .
However,I would not say the same things for the interior . Door panels are fine but wiper control arm,tilt steering stalk exudes just cheap plastic .Details are much better in '80-92's RWD models .

brougham
01-12-10, 09:00 PM
They are both pretty much the same except for the engine and how they look. If you can get over that go for it.

Aron9000
01-13-10, 01:35 AM
Leg room is not an issue for my 5'6" short ass. I'll agree about the interior details being nicer on the boxy body style too, I like all the chrome plated buttons.

I really want some more power than what my 1991 has, so I am ruling out 1993 models too. The car I'm looking at is a total cream puff.

creeker
01-13-10, 01:57 AM
Wow....I was thinking about the exact same thing....I love my 1991 Brougham D'Elegance, but have been thinking about a 1996 lately too. I keep thinking of the legendary 'Corvette in a Tuxedo' that I've seen on here. Unfortunately they're about as common as hen's teeth up here.

I've been looking for a 90-92 brgm. d'el for awhile now,I wonder how much it would cost to ship it to vancouver?, on the chance you find another car, how much would you ask for your 91?, it will probably never happen,
but I'm just curious.

robb257731
01-13-10, 09:47 AM
I've been looking for a 90-92 brgm. d'el for awhile now,I wonder how much it would cost to ship it to vancouver?, on the chance you find another car, how much would you ask for your 91?, it will probably never happen,
but I'm just curious.

I have no idea how much it would cost to ship, but I don't think it's all that expensive. A friend of mine moved from Hamilgrad to Edmonton a couple of years ago, and she sent her Civic by train from Toronto. Of course, the car was stolen three weeks after she arrived in Edmonton...

If I were to find a nice 96 and it had sufficient legroom, I'm honestly not sure if I'd give up my 91 or if I'd just keep them both. I'd want about $6500 for it, as I've put alot into it, and it's fully loaded aside from the astro roof.

jayoldschool
01-13-10, 10:51 AM
I you want to wait until summer, I will drive his car from Hamilton to you for expenses and a return flight/train ticket.

creeker
01-13-10, 02:39 PM
I have no idea how much it would cost to ship, but I don't think it's all that expensive. A friend of mine moved from Hamilgrad to Edmonton a couple of years ago, and she sent her Civic by train from Toronto. Of course, the car was stolen three weeks after she arrived in Edmonton...

If I were to find a nice 96 and it had sufficient legroom, I'm honestly not sure if I'd give up my 91 or if I'd just keep them both. I'd want about $6500 for it, as I've put alot into it, and it's fully loaded aside from the astro roof.


I'm always checking ads like craig's list for one,two came up in the last month and were gone in a flash (sold),there also seems to be a lot more
of them in ontario,larger population I guess, I also swore I wouldn't
have 3 cars again, ( I just sold my 92 dev.) but would make an exception
for a 90-92 brougham. good luck in your search.

creeker
01-13-10, 04:29 PM
I you want to wait until summer, I will drive his car from Hamilton to you for expenses and a return flight/train ticket.

Thanks for the offer but I'm in no hurry at this point.

82CDV
01-14-10, 12:23 AM
I'm seriously considering the purchase of a really nice 1996 Fleetwood Brougham with 73,000 miles. Its in Florida on ebay right now.

Age is starting to catch up with my 1991 Brougham, I'd like to unload it before it needs a paint job/restoration work in the next 2-3 years.

Anyways, I know the LT1 will have signifcantly more power than my old LO5 350. I know about all the weird opti-spark design, as that tends to be the major mechanical problem with these cars. Any other mechanical issues I should know about? Are these cars any harder on suspension bits than the older bodystyle that I am driving? I know my old 1991 had new shocks put on it when I bought it.

Anyways I know the drivers seat tends to wear pretty fast on the 93-96 Fleetwood, but the pictures show almost zero wear on the bottom cushion.

Any other quirks/oddities that I should ask about? I know to ask the usual bs about the car regarding rust(its a Florida car so that shouldn't be an issue), mechanical issues, cosmetic condition, service records, does every bell and whistle work, etc.

Also, how does the driver's throne compare to the one in my 1991. I know that is the most comfortable car seat I've ever sat in.

I see that car went for $5,900. On January 4 the same car from the same seller closed at $7,500.

Did you buy it?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-14-10, 12:55 AM
When Brian went from his '90 to his '94, I remember that the '94 rode smoother and more solidly (like the way it took train tracks and big bumps in the road), and it was much, much faster, but it lacked that cool classic feeling that the '90 had. The interior looked and felt much cheaper too....much more plastic instead of chrome and leather on the older models. The seats were nice though, much more supportive than his '90, especially with the three way lumbar (that was gone after '94), and having the heated feature was great too, but it just felt much less "Cadillac exclusive" and much more "corporate GM" than the '90 did.

Aron9000
01-14-10, 01:19 AM
I see that car went for $5,900. On January 4 the same car from the same seller closed at $7,500.

Did you buy it?

I was outbid. That doesn't mean anything though IMO. My last Cadillac I bought on ebay I was outbid on. The high bidder was a dead beat and I got the car.

Once again, this was the 2nd auction for this particular car. BTW, here's a picture.

http://www.jdilaura.com/73.JPG

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
01-14-10, 04:25 PM
Best color combo ever. Needs the chrome wheels though.

SDCaddyLacky
01-15-10, 06:08 AM
That looks just like my 94 FWB. I like the older Cad's 92 and down, but I wouldn't want to own one because the look really old compared to the 93-96 FWB's.

I like the feeling of my 94 even though it does look a lot more generic, and also because it's much more modern, and it drives extremely smooth. I don't feel like an old man in this thing, but driving say a 90 Bro, would make me feel like am 80's years old! No offense to the guys that own the older models.

All the Caddy's are nice from 90-96, any year is a good year.

Stingroo
01-15-10, 05:26 PM
Where was/is that car located? I recognize that dealership name. (From somewhere else in FL other than Tampa)

Aron9000
01-16-10, 01:56 AM
Where was/is that car located? I recognize that dealership name. (From somewhere else in FL other than Tampa)

Ft Lauderdale

Stingroo
01-16-10, 02:03 AM
Ah. Not too far from where I used to live. Looks gorgeous too.

96Fleetwood
01-16-10, 10:52 AM
You Bastard!! You should have bought my 1996!! I would have worked something out with a partial trade for your 1991 if I knew you were serious!

My 1996 FWB had 91,000 miles on it when I sold it and the seats were still PERFECT... then again mine was garage kept since day 1.

http://members.cox.net/cadillaclover/fleetwoodinside.jpg

I have had 5 (90-92) Broughams and I am still holding out for a 1992 Triple Black 5.7 d'Elegance with the Astroroof... BUT.. as a show car only.

If it was to be a daily driver.. go for a '94-96 FWB. I daily drove my '96 from 2005 to early 2007 and it was amazing, especially with a few bolt-ons.

Don't forget how cool modded Roadmasters can be too! Here is a picture of a couple of my past pride and joys:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/n503855835_787689_1833.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/Picture036.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/1001.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/Picture003-1.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/IMG_8142.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/Picture023.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/IMG_9691.jpg

I will own a Brougham from each era one day.. and this time I will keep them stock :yup:... except maybe another '96 with a 6.0 conversion and T56 :lildevil:

This is my favorite picture... the last of the Cadillac sedans to be built in Arlington, TX with the American flag in the background :usflag:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/Picture028.jpg


Bottom line: hold out for your perfect Fleetwood Brougham. I spent almost 2 years looking for my '96.. and now I regret selling it..

Stingroo
01-16-10, 12:21 PM
That Impala SS-looking wagon... Caprice or RM?

96Fleetwood
01-16-10, 12:44 PM
That Impala SS-looking wagon... Caprice or RM?

1995 Roadmaster wagon:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa306/96fleetwood/IMG_9632.jpg

It had a few bolt ons and was quite the looker... sold it to a guy in Seattle.

Stingroo
01-16-10, 01:01 PM
Hmm.. would a Fleetwood front clip fit onto that? Or no? That'd be pretty cool too.

There's a guy with a '94 RMW who's selling his by my house, he wanted to do that same thing to turn it into a trailer pulling vehicle for his '96 SS. Pretty cool if you ask me.

jayoldschool
01-16-10, 01:03 PM
Hmm.. would a Fleetwood front clip fit onto that? Or no?

No, the Fleet sheetmetal is longer between the wheels and the doors.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-16-10, 01:38 PM
I miss your FWB Elias.

Stingroo
01-16-10, 01:38 PM
Oh. That's a shame, that'd be a cool project for someone to tackle if it were possible. A return of the Estate. The pics of the one that sven posted in some other thread looked cool.

96Fleetwood
01-16-10, 01:49 PM
I miss your FWB Elias.

I do too... it is back on eBay.. :(

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadillac-Fleetwood-Brougham-Black-Show-car-Beautifull-Special-Built_W0QQitemZ300387313381QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_C ars_Trucks?hash=item45f07aa6e5

Bro-Ham
01-16-10, 02:00 PM
I do too... it is back on eBay.. :(

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadillac-Fleetwood-Brougham-Black-Show-car-Beautifull-Special-Built_W0QQitemZ300387313381QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_C ars_Trucks?hash=item45f07aa6e5

Wait, why the sad face? If you regret selling it then place your bid now and get it so your life will be happy again. :)

96Fleetwood
01-16-10, 02:12 PM
Wait, why the sad face? If you regret selling it then place your bid now and get it so your life will be happy again. :)

I am the high bidder already.. I just do not have any room. The Trans Am is already in storage. I need a garage bigger than my house!

Stingroo
01-16-10, 02:17 PM
Houses are attachments for garages, don't you know?

jayoldschool
01-16-10, 02:25 PM
I need a garage bigger than my house!

Story of my life...

Bro-Ham
01-16-10, 02:38 PM
Oh live a little - - park outside! :)

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
01-17-10, 03:28 PM
Oh live a little - - park outside! :)

No. Both my cars live inside in the winter. One is in storage an hour away but the other is next to my Mom's car in the garage. Its so nice not having to scrape ice in the morning. Come summer they both go outside but the Brougham usually sits next to the garage under a cover.

durrk johnson
01-21-10, 03:01 AM
I am the high bidder already.. I just do not have any room. The Trans Am is already in storage. I need a garage bigger than my house!

Man, you gotta get that thing back, it was like, my dream car! hahah

82CDV
01-22-10, 12:18 PM
I was outbid. That doesn't mean anything though IMO. My last Cadillac I bought on ebay I was outbid on. The high bidder was a dead beat and I got the car.

Once again, this was the 2nd auction for this particular car. BTW, here's a picture.



Is this the same car?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FLEETWOOD-73K-MI-ONE-OWNER-SUPER-NICE-NO-ACCIDENTS_W0QQitemZ250567619319QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ US_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3a56fe72f7

Aron9000
01-23-10, 01:47 AM
Is this the same car?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FLEETWOOD-73K-MI-ONE-OWNER-SUPER-NICE-NO-ACCIDENTS_W0QQitemZ250567619319QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ US_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3a56fe72f7


Looks like it. It isn't the same seller though, it was Ed Morse Cadillac in the first two sales, now its a different dealer. I've lost interest in the car though, especially for what that guy is trying to get out of it.

82CDV
01-23-10, 01:55 AM
It's the same VIN. Buyer must be trying to flip it.

Aron9000
02-05-10, 06:24 AM
Okay, I got a weird email from the seller on the 2nd auction, Ed Morse Cadillac. They asked me, through ebay, if I still wanted the car for $5200. I emailed them back and asked a billion questions about the car and gave them my phone #.

We shall see what happens. I'm going to bed now, I'll call them back in the morning when I wake up.

Aron9000
02-07-10, 03:53 AM
UPDATE: Swapped emails with the seller, possibly going to fly to Florida next week to pick it up. Its the same red/tan 1996 Fleetwood Brougham that has been up for auction 3 times now.


Here are some pics:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FLEETWOOD-73K-MI-ONE-OWNER-SUPER-NICE-NO-ACCIDENTS_W0QQitemZ250567619319QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ US_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3a56fe72f7

Stingroo
02-07-10, 04:08 AM
Awesome man! You can invade my state :D

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-07-10, 08:24 AM
Excellent! That's one hell of a nice looking FWB! Are you trading your '91 in?

Aron9000
02-07-10, 04:11 PM
Excellent! That's one hell of a nice looking FWB! Are you trading your '91 in?

The 91 has to go. Its been fun, but I want something with some balls under the hood. I'd keep it if I had the space for it, but I only have a 1 car garage. No way would I let it sit outside and get crapped on by the birds.

Anyways, I might have a guy at work interested in buying it. I know he would keep it nice and wouldn't ghettofy it.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
02-07-10, 05:09 PM
*cough*Elias*cough

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-07-10, 05:12 PM
The 91 has to go. Its been fun, but I want something with some balls under the hood.

That's the exact same reason Brian sold his '90 and moved up to that '94. The power gain was massive (his '90 had the 5.7, I'm assuming your '91 does as well), but the '94 lacked that special old school feeling his '90 had.

Aron9000
02-07-10, 11:28 PM
That's the exact same reason Brian sold his '90 and moved up to that '94. The power gain was massive (his '90 had the 5.7, I'm assuming your '91 does as well), but the '94 lacked that special old school feeling his '90 had.

My 91 has the 350 in it as well. It moves the car well enough to fool you that its powerful. It goes just as fast at 1/4 throttle as it does at full throttle. Lots of torque, but its a turd past 60mph.

Also, the 350 got you the mandatory towing package, with stiffer springs, shocks, bigger sway bars, etc. Car still handles like a drunk pig and rides pretty stiff.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-07-10, 11:33 PM
Yep. LOADS of power up to about 3,000 rpm than it falls flat on it's face over that. Pretty normal for a TBI.

ga_etc
02-08-10, 04:30 AM
If you buy it and drive it home, you have to let me know and stop in Dalton so I can drool over it. :D

96Fleetwood
02-08-10, 11:31 AM
Congrats on the new ride Aron!!!


*cough*Elias*cough


Only if it was Black...

brougham
02-08-10, 08:32 PM
My 5.7L is great at any speed. Wouldn't buy a Brougham with any other engine unless it was something bigger.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
02-08-10, 08:58 PM
If someone gave me an LT1 I would transplant it in my car in a heartbeat. So much more power.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
02-08-10, 10:52 PM
LT1 is great, and the LT5 is the dream engine, but the one I'd really like to see in a Fleetwood would be the L29.....Vortec 454. It's probably pretty do-able too.

Stingroo
02-08-10, 11:24 PM
^ Well it would certainly FIT under there. :)

Aron9000
02-09-10, 02:07 AM
Well the deal is off. I was dealing with a scammer:(

I knew the whole thing was a little fishy when they contacted me two weeks after the auction had ended. They used the official ebay type 2nd offer form, so it looked like an official email from ebay. The 2nd offer form was in my junk box, instead of my regular inbox like all my other ebay emails. That should've been a big red flag right there that something was off, but I didn't really notice it until now.

I gave the lady my phone number and told her to call me on my 2nd email to her, never heard back. I told her I was very interested and that I would pick up the car in person.

She didn't call me back but instead said she was too busy for me to come pick it up and had it all ready to be shipped to me. Kept wanting to use the ebay system for accepting paymet. Bullshit!! You can't take a few hours off of work to accept 52 100 dollar bills and sign over a car title, that's bullshit.

So don't buy a red 1996 Fleetwood Brougham with the VIN 1G6DW52P6TR706464

ga_etc
02-09-10, 02:30 AM
Sorry to hear that, that sucks. Maybe you will find one you like better.