: Difference between 93-96 Impala, Caprice, and Fleetwood



SDCaddyLacky
01-12-10, 05:37 AM
I always have wondered if there's any major differences between the cars in terms of ride comfort, quietness, interior size and overall quality.

The Impala looks exactly the same on the inside as the Fleetwoods, so can somebody explain what are the major differences going from an Impala to the Fleets? What's the so special besides that the Fleetwoods look a whole better than the Imps.

I understand the Fleetwoods are a little bigger and heavier, but what are the specifics? How does the car compare to say...... the Roadmaster?

Basically If anyone has experiences driving other similar year B-D Body's, I would be glad if you could share your comparisons from each car and how they stack up to one another.

Thanks!:thumbsup:

Aron9000
01-12-10, 06:17 AM
I don't know where you draw the conclusions of the Fleetwood looking the same as the Impala on the inside . . . .

1. You have bucket seats on the Impala SS, bench seat on the Fleetwood
2. Different dash design, still have that huge dash top in both cars though
3. Fleetwood has a longer wheelbase, with all the extra inches going into the rear seat legroom
4. The Fleetwood uses much nicer leather, plastics, and carpet than the Impala SS. They aren't the greatest, but they are an upgrade over the really cheap shit they put in the Chevys.
5. Fake woodgrain in the Fleetwood, cheap black plastic accents in an Impala SS
6. Fleetwood suspension is softer than an Impala SS
7. Powertrain is identical except that the Impala SS got a limited slip diff where the Fleetwood is open diff.
8. Traction control is standard on Fleetwood, not sure if it was avaiable on the Impala SS. The traction control was Cadillac's justification for going with an open diff.
9. Rear disc brakes on the Impala, rear drums on Fleetwood
10. Big huge chrome bumpers on the Fleetwood just scream Cadillac, it was the last passenger car to use chrome bumpers.

jayoldschool
01-12-10, 09:03 AM
The Impala looks exactly the same on the inside as the Fleetwoods

Time for a trip to the eye doctor.

Aron has everything just about right. One more difference: the D body Cadillac has a longer wheelbase than the B body Caprice/Impala SS/Roadmaster. Also, there was no 93 "Impala". While on that topic, there was no "Impala", it is an "Impala SS", available from 94-96, option "WX3" on the SPID code.

csbuckn
01-12-10, 09:40 AM
A Cadillac would be your "baby". An Impala would be your "toy".

Stingroo
01-12-10, 10:05 AM
Not to mention the Fleetwood has about a cow and a half's worth of leather...

Bro-Ham
01-12-10, 10:56 AM
Look at the wood grain in the Caprice - it looks like a vinyl applique' of a badly scanned image of fake wood that is just stuck to the dash, which the Caprice dash, incidentally, is of inferior low grade plastic that looks like it was imported from a car that should have been made and sold in India. Then look at the Cadillac with the fine hand-rubbed deep glass-like woodgrain of superb origin from only the finest rare and exotic imported plastic trees, plus the dash in the Cadillac is covered in a superior leather like material - I heard once that the imposingly large Fleetwood dash alone takes 22 hides from the best vinyl cows chosen by Cadillac from herds only in northern Michigan where there is no barbed wire to mar the perfect vinyl texture - ain't gonna find that in no Chevrolet - only in a Cadillac! :)

HUF
01-12-10, 01:51 PM
look at the wood grain in the caprice - it looks like a vinyl applique' of a badly scanned image of fake wood that is just stuck to the dash, which the caprice dash, incidentally, is of inferior low grade plastic that looks like it was imported from a car that should have been made and sold in india. Then look at the cadillac with the fine hand-rubbed deep glass-like woodgrain of superb origin from only the finest rare and exotic imported plastic trees, plus the dash in the cadillac is covered in a superior leather like material - i heard once that the imposingly large fleetwood dash alone takes 22 hides from the best vinyl cows chosen by cadillac from herds only in northern michigan where there is no barbed wire to mar the perfect vinyl texture - ain't gonna find that in no chevrolet - only in a cadillac! :)

:) :) :)

thefleetwoodguy
01-12-10, 02:25 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/hemijimbo/apple-orange-comparison.jpg

looks the same to me :yup:
:aj:

robb257731
01-12-10, 02:41 PM
Look at the wood grain in the Caprice - it looks like a vinyl applique' of a badly scanned image of fake wood that is just stuck to the dash, which the Caprice dash, incidentally, is of inferior low grade plastic that looks like it was imported from a car that should have been made and sold in India. Then look at the Cadillac with the fine hand-rubbed deep glass-like woodgrain of superb origin from only the finest rare and exotic imported plastic trees, plus the dash in the Cadillac is covered in a superior leather like material - I heard once that the imposingly large Fleetwood dash alone takes 22 hides from the best vinyl cows chosen by Cadillac from herds only in northern Michigan where there is no barbed wire to mar the perfect vinyl texture - ain't gonna find that in no Chevrolet - only in a Cadillac! :)

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA! Only the finest rare and exotic plastic trees!!!!

Stingroo
01-12-10, 03:24 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/hemijimbo/apple-orange-comparison.jpg

looks the same to me :yup:
:aj:

Win post.

thefleetwoodguy
01-12-10, 04:39 PM
Not to mention the Fleetwood has about a cow and a half's worth of leather...


I was following your lead!!:lildevil:

sven914
01-12-10, 05:51 PM
How about we assume Lacky meant a Roadmaster as compared to a Fleetwood.

Same shape, same motor, same trim lines, same production years- I've gotten them confused and have been guilty of calling the Fleetwood a Cadillac Roadmaster (much in the same way I refer to the Escalade as a Cadillac Denali).

:hide:

Cadillacboy
01-12-10, 06:10 PM
Fleetwood is like a posh,re badged Caprice with a fancy name on it ha ha lol
Anyway, some parts are same like cheap ,brittle wiper arm .

Bro-Ham
01-12-10, 06:31 PM
How about we assume Lacky meant a Roadmaster as compared to a Fleetwood. ...same production years...

Sven, The "bubble body style of the Fleetwood was 1993-1996 while the same vintage of Roadmaster sedan was 1992-1996. Roadmaster wagon, Caprice sedan/wagon, and Olds Custom Cruiser were all 1991-1996.

IDSkiman
01-12-10, 10:04 PM
I own both a 94 RML with cloth interior and the trailer towing package, and a 96 FWB. The RML is more sporty with a firmer ride and a little better handling than the FW. However you buy a caddy for the caddy ride and to be in one of the last great BIG cars GM ever or will ever make again. BTW, I have seen those free range herds of choice Cadillac vinyl cows here in N. MI. but they're not as prevalent as they used to be. Seems the downstate hunters considered them tofu-deer and nearly wiped them out.

SDCaddyLacky
01-15-10, 05:14 AM
Dang, I meant the Roadmaster! Not Impala :rolleyes: Yeah, so do the Fleetwoods ride and drive much better than the Masters then?

Because they are very similar cars in certain ways.

Stingroo
01-15-10, 07:27 AM
Well, I would THINK the Fleetwood is significantly softer.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not sure if the RM got the air suspension either?

But to balance that: the Roadmaster could be a super shagin' wagon. And that makes up for it in my book. I'd rock one. lol

sven914
01-15-10, 10:33 AM
^If the Roadmaster Estate makes a super shag wagon, then what would a Cadillac Estate make?

http://www.lidreamboats.org/images/100_6485.jpg

http://www.lidreamboats.org/images/1987_cadillac_station_wagon.jpg

1987

And perhaps only a concept of an LSD induced dilution, but you get the idea.

http://www.streetsourcemag.com/uploads/Ownerprofiles/inspectordragit/7282003100109PM89531.jpg

Stingroo
01-15-10, 12:25 PM
Woah woah hold the phone. They made Estate wagons out of the 93-96 cars?! Or is that a RM with a Fleetwood front clip?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-15-10, 02:39 PM
My '95 RML had rear air springs.

Stingroo
01-15-10, 02:43 PM
Really? Then it's officially added to the 'Cars I would consider' list.

sven914
01-15-10, 03:22 PM
I thinks that's actually a Caprice wagon with a Cadillac clip on it. I think the Buick's had woodgrain as a factory standard and the Caprice's had it as only an option (though the Buick's could have a woodgrain delete).

Bro-Ham
01-15-10, 03:39 PM
It's a Caprice wagon - Roadmaster wagon had vista windows in the roof standard. Come on Sven! :) :)

Stingroo
01-15-10, 04:19 PM
I have no idea what a Vista window is... but that is still awesome. It shall stay added to the list. lol

Example of a RMW without woodgrain:

http://treasure.craigslist.org/cto/1551255592.html

DAMMIT I'M ON CRAIGSLIST AGAIN!#$@%#^#%$!

sven914
01-15-10, 04:31 PM
It's that little window above the rear seats.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/1993-buick-roadmaster-estate-wagon.jpghttp://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:a0yKwNTbSFF8BM:http://vikingautobrokers.com/photos/inventory/1994_buick_roadmaster_estate_wagon/1995_buick_roadmaster_estate_wagon%20021.jpg

Oldsmobile had them too

http://www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/1991/Oldsmobile/1812/1991.oldsmobile.customcruiser.8651-396x249.jpg

But Chevrolet was without them

http://www.bowtieclassic.com/Pictures%20new/94%20Caprice%20Wagon%20Small.JPG

Stingroo
01-15-10, 04:42 PM
Olds wagon has a funny looking face...

jayoldschool
01-15-10, 06:22 PM
I love my wagons. I highly recommend them to everyone. I like my Roadmaster better than my Caprice (Vista roof, electronic climate control), but the LT1 is nice in the Caprice. Sven's right on the wood/no wood. Option "WB4" to get no wood on a Roadie, btw.

Stingroo
01-15-10, 06:36 PM
Roadmaster's don't have LT1's?

sven914
01-15-10, 06:38 PM
^In 1992 the LT1 was just a concept in some engineer's head or maybe a sketch on the drawing board.

Stingroo
01-15-10, 06:43 PM
Nay, they were in the '92 Corvette.

sven914
01-15-10, 06:51 PM
I meant the Cadillac version; gold plated pistons.

Stingroo
01-15-10, 07:02 PM
So they'd be silver in a Buick? :lol:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-15-10, 09:27 PM
I like the Custom Cruisers the best, always sad they didn't make a sedan out of them.

sven914
01-15-10, 09:50 PM
The Ninety-Eight is the closest thing they had to one.

I actually prefer the lines of the '91-'95 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eights as opposed to the Roadmasters, Impalas, or Fleetwoods.

http://autodata.ibsrv.net/images/?IMG=U4OLGEF1.jpg&WIDTH=425http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2339/3561/30846780004_large.jpg

What sucks is that it only came with a FWD 6.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-15-10, 11:53 PM
I like those a lot as well, because they had the optional digital dash and looked unlike anything else back then.

Aron9000
01-16-10, 12:54 AM
I like those a lot as well, because they had the optional digital dash and looked unlike anything else back then.

Except for your granny's Olds 88. Yeah my granny has one, looks like this one except hers has wire wheel caps:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/1992-93_Oldsmobile_88.jpg

Bro-Ham
01-16-10, 12:07 PM
I liked but didn't love the Olds 98 when it came out in 1991. Also the Park Avenue. They fixed the overly downsized look of the 85-90 FWD models they replaced as car makers scrambled to go big. These cars still looked frumpy compared to much of their competition. The 91 Olds 98, in particular, used some classic 98 styling cues from the older generations but the cars still looked funny compared to the classy old time rear drivers Olds so successfully developed and sold in their not so distant past.

In 1992 I made big money and was in the market for a $25-30k luxury car. It's funny but I never even considered purchasing an Olds 98 - I bought a new Acura Legend L. Had this happened 20 years earlier there isn't much question I probably would have bought an Olds 98. Oldsmobile is gone, Acura keeps opening new dealerships, same with Lexus, Infiniti, etc...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-16-10, 01:36 PM
The Legend is a much more youthful car than the Ninety Eight.

Bro-Ham
01-16-10, 03:17 PM
The Acura Legend was the hot car of the early 1990's similar to what the Olds 98 was when I was a kid in the 1970's and early 1980's. Young and old people liked the Legend back then, similar to how young people even liked Electras and 98's back in the 70's. My sister, who is 15 years older than me, dated a guy back in the mid 1970's, he was maybe 22, and he drove his 74 Electra Limited Coupe that he bought new - burgundy with white heavy padded landau top and burgundy interior - WOW! :) It was natural that a successful young guy would buy a car like that back then. No young guy would have gone out and bought a 1991 Olds 98 when they were new just like no young dude would go out and buy a new Buick Lucerne today. The new Lacrosse is changing the situation for Buick and it's about time.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-16-10, 04:28 PM
I agree, it's great to see Buick bringing in the youth (:D) again. It's so weird for me to think that there was a time in which people my age would go out and buy brand new Electras and Ninety Eights. I wish things were still like that. :)

Bro-Ham
01-16-10, 07:30 PM
Chad, It's too bad GM stopped putting big money into the big rear drivers back in the very early 1980's. It didn't take long for them to lose the mainstream market they formerly dominated as the buyers changed to other vehicles of stronger design, sharper engineering, and better quality. The Roadmaster, Caprice, and Fleetwood of the early to mid 1990's were strictly built for old fogies. Impala SS got a blue collar or Harley riding kind of guy who was middle aged at best. GM needed to revamp the whole rear drive platform to make a totally new car rather than stretching what GM thought was an updated body over the old iron. The resulting "bubble" cars - Caprice, Roadmaster and Fleetwood - never set the world on fire because none were modern or seductive. Even today I think these cars are an acquired taste. :)

Stingroo
01-16-10, 07:54 PM
Well said, but I wouldn't call an Impala SS an acquired taste. I think everybody likes that car in some way, they just might not know it.

Bro-Ham
01-16-10, 08:52 PM
Well said, but I wouldn't call an Impala SS an acquired taste. I think everybody likes that car in some way, they just might not know it.

The Impala SS may have been the most original of all of the bubbles. Not my cup of tea and don't try to give me one for Christmas this year. :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-16-10, 09:11 PM
Well said, but I wouldn't call an Impala SS an acquired taste. I think everybody likes that car in some way, they just might not know it.

The Impala SS is one of the first of the '90s yachts that I knew well. My uncle had a dark grey/green '95 Impala, and I always thought it was a handsome car, but nothing I ever really wanted to own. Whenever I told someone I bought an LT-1 Roadmaster, they'd always ask me why I didn't buy the Impala SS...well they're much more expensive, have a cheaper interior, and aren't any faster. I'd always explain that the Buick was the sleeper, and had better seats.


The Impala SS may have been the most original of all of the bubbles. Not my cup of tea and don't try to give me one for Christmas this year. :)

I actually think that the '91-92 Caprices are some of the ugliest sedans anyone built in that era. They literally looked like a beached whale or a downed Zeppelin. Not until '93 did they look "decent", but even then they were still unfetching and bland. Looking back, it's amazing how Chevrolet pulled this:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/1991/Chevrolet/13617/1991.chevrolet.caprice.1859-E.jpg

Into this:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/1996/Chevrolet/17327/1996.chevrolet.impala.1906-E.jpg


GM needed to revamp the whole rear drive platform to make a totally new car rather than stretching what GM thought was an updated body over the old iron. The resulting "bubble" cars - Caprice, Roadmaster and Fleetwood - never set the world on fire because none were modern or seductive. Even today I think these cars are an acquired taste. :)

I'd agree with you there. Not many people, especially today, like a car this size, and the bubble styling looks extremely dated today. But that's ok, because a smaller market demand keeps prices down for people like us. :)

It really is too bad that GM stopped production on these, if they would have kept them up, it would have denied Ford monopoly on the market segment. It's truly ironic that they switched the production line from the B/D bodies to the full sized SUV's and trucks because the demand for those would really be waning off within the next 8-10 years.....and still Cadillac has no proper full size RWD sedan to compete with the high end imports.

jayoldschool
01-16-10, 09:37 PM
Stopping production was a no-brainer on GM's part. The Arlington line was converted to make Tahoes, so the profit went from 1-2k on a B/D body to 8-10k on an SUV. Shame, though... typical GM. Kill something off just when it gets perfected (see also Fiero, GTO, G8, Solstice, Sky, etc). Close to 300HP, good fuel economy, reliable, and tow 5000lbs. The SS had a top speed of 155mph, while the 9C1 Caprice with the right tire option would do over 140. Crown Vics can't touch them. Imagine if they had continued for another year and got the LS engines?

Dave, if I bring the SS down your way again, I'll take you for a ride. You might have to change your diaper :D

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/jayoldschool/SSfront.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-16-10, 09:40 PM
It's funny how GM works like that. Spend all that time & money on R/D for a car then kill it right when it gets great.

Bro-Ham
01-16-10, 09:47 PM
Jay, I drive a yellow Cadillac - hardly into speed unless I've been nipping heavily at the martinis. :) I'd hope to meet you some day but I'm not sure how willing I would be to ride in your Caprice SS with you showing off - that is unless I've had a martini or three. :)

jayoldschool
01-16-10, 10:00 PM
Ok, maybe we can cruise to the beach in the 65...

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/jayoldschool/HPIM1988.jpg

Bro-Ham
01-16-10, 10:02 PM
Nice car! But is it an SS? :) What is your Pontiac? And how about a shot of the 81 FWBH Coupe?

jayoldschool
01-16-10, 10:07 PM
You are trying to get me off topic! A moderator is going to move this... ;)

Not an SS. 327 4bbl, powerglide. Original CA black plate car. Here's the 71, it's not quite stock...

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/jayoldschool/HPIM1986.jpg

This is what I started with:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/jayoldschool/HPIM1999.jpg

And... the car that everyone knows and loves...

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/jayoldschool/Cadillac/005.jpg

Stingroo
01-16-10, 10:08 PM
Do it!

And tell me when/where so I can be in attendance. :D

jayoldschool
01-16-10, 10:21 PM
You going to take the bus?

:D

Bro-Ham
01-16-10, 10:24 PM
Jay, I hate to think that you painted over a yellow Pontiac! You may not believe it but I really like the Pontiac in its original state over its current Catalina SS trimming. Handsome Bro-Ham Coupe'. :)

Bro-Ham
01-16-10, 10:25 PM
You going to take the bus?

:D

how true!!! :) :) :)

Stingroo
01-16-10, 11:10 PM
No love. None whatsoever. :(

Bro-Ham
01-16-10, 11:53 PM
Hey Mr. Frownie Face - oh how the truth hurts. :)

Stingroo
01-17-10, 12:00 AM
I give up with you, your jabs are really starting to piss me off.

Bro-Ham
01-17-10, 12:18 AM
No love. None whatsoever. :)

Stingroo
01-17-10, 12:23 AM
So anyway... back to the topic at hand.

csbuckn
01-17-10, 01:39 AM
Jay, do you paint cars too? Or vender that service out?

greencadillacmatt
01-17-10, 04:04 AM
I've never been much for the monotone look, but it doesn't look bad on that Poncho. It brings the front end together nicely. It looks kind of busy in the before picture. Looks good in the after. Nice cars, Jay!

IDSkiman
01-17-10, 09:22 AM
You would think a bigger car would require a bigger shop manual. Not so.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-17-10, 11:07 AM
Jay, your '71? Is that the Grand Ville or what? I don't know older Pontiacs very well.

jayoldschool
01-17-10, 01:02 PM
Jay, I hate to think that you painted over a yellow Pontiac! You may not believe it but I really like the Pontiac in its original state over its current Catalina SS trimming. Handsome Bro-Ham Coupe'.

Actually, it had a bad cream paint job on it. The original colour was closer to the Caddy Cottilion White. That is an OLD pic. It looks better now with a blacked out grille with chrome edges. It's getting my white leather D'Elegance seats this summer.


Jay, your '71? Is that the Grand Ville or what? I don't know older Pontiacs very well.

Yes, it is a 71. Not a Grand Ville (that had an egg crate grille), not a Bonneville, not a Catalina, either! A Parisienne Brougham. Canada-only. Canada built, Pontiac sheetmetal on an Impala-length chassis. Factory Chev 350/350 combo. Pontiac Canada did some pretty cool combos. There is a 66 Parisienne with a factory 396 for sale up here right now...

Sting, don't pout. You're still our boy. We are going to keep bugging you until you get/fix a car, though...:lildevil:

Bro-Ham
01-17-10, 02:01 PM
Jay, It is even a Parisienne Brougham?? WOW! If I remember right there were no Catalina models and instead you north of the border guys had the Laurentian? :) I keep forgetting you're in a different country from most of us. :) Also, in the late 1970's and 1980's there were still Chev Bel Air models being made in and for Canada - an even more stripped version of the Impala, which was also sold in Canada. Must be lots of Scottish immigrants up there in the northland. What's this with white d'Elegance seats going in the 71 Parisienne SS? :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-17-10, 02:15 PM
Parsienne Brougham = Grand Ville?

jayoldschool
01-17-10, 02:27 PM
Parsienne Brougham = Grand Ville?

Close, but no. Grand Ville was on the longer Bonneville wheelbase, and got Ponitac big blocks. Canadian Pontiacs (think Chevy with Pontiac sheetmetal), were a product of the Auto Pact that dictated for every car sold in Canada, one had to be produced in Canada.

Dave, yes, I remember the Bel Airs. We had an 81 Impala Sport Coupe. I took my driver's test in that car. Wish I still had it today. Incredibly rare, only about 2000 produced (about the same as my Cad coupe). Even with the enemic 267 2bbl, I loved that car. Beat it relentlessly, and it wouldn't die. Sold it for 200 after buying an 87 Caprice.

The white D'Elegance seats are out of a 92, and they are MINT. I bought them in Miami when I first bought my coupe, then decided that I wanted blue leather. Then, after getting a blue leather set, I cleaned the interior of my coupe (you've seen the pics), and decided that the OE velour is the right choice for the 81. So, I have lots of extra seats. I think the white seats will look good in a custom like the 71. That's the cool thing with having a modified car... you are never done. With a cars like my 65 or my Cad coupe, when you're done, you're done.

Bro-Ham
01-17-10, 06:24 PM
Jay, I have never seen a picture of your FWBH Coupe until this thread. Please show me the interior too - beautiful car! What's the mileage and how has the V8-6-4 treated you? :)

jayoldschool
01-17-10, 06:53 PM
Here's my project thread on the coupe: 81 FWB D'Elegance coupe (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/rwd-19xx-1984-deville-fleetwood-1985/146504-project-81-fwb-delegance-coupe.html)

To be perfectly honest, I don't remember the mileage. Somewhere around 120km? That's about 70k miles. You might be able to see it in one of the interior shots. The engine runs perfectly I have found the wire (cut) that controls the cylinder deactivation, so I will be running it to a switch so I can switch to 4 cyl on flat highways and avoid the unbalanced 6 cyl mode.

Bro-Ham
01-17-10, 08:40 PM
Jay-son, I can't believe I've never seen that thread before! I LOVE a project - I did something similar with my 81 FWBH Coupe although the cosmetics inside were pretty strong, the outside got some work, and I had all the mechanicals re-done. In my position as working all the time and going to school all the time I don't have the time, money, or space to deal with a project but boy oh boy did looking at that thread of yours make my mouth water and make me look forward to my next car adventure! :) :) :) Very cool FWBH coupe and I'm soooooo glad you kept the blue velour seats! Those are completely CLASSIC! :) Now, make sure you drive that beauty and show it off to the world! Dave :)

jayoldschool
01-17-10, 08:42 PM
Yes, I can't wait for spring. I have new tires with the wider WWs mounted up on the wires ready to go.

N0DIH
01-20-10, 08:54 AM
To add:

The Fleetwood has 6 inches longer frame, shows up in the back seat, more legroom.
The Fleetwood has the HD frame stock, Caprices only get it with RPO 9C1 and 9C6. RoadMasters do NOT get it.
The Fleetwood with suspension FE2 has same spring RATE as Impala SS, so same ride, but sits taller.
The Fleetwood and Roadie have the steering damper on the front suspension, the Caprice does not get, don't think the Impala does. The 9C1 (cop car) and 9C6 (taxi) do get (simple upgrade).
The Fleetwood has optional 7000# tow package, Cadillac exclusive. HD 4L60E and FE2 suspension stock. As well as shielded exhaust, and a host of other cool stuff like 3.42 gears, aka, it will outrun a Impala SS stock to stock in a drag race..... Mine ran 15.1 @ 95 mph stone stock on my datalogger. Wheelspin is hard to NOT have..... :) RPO V4P is what to look for. I have one, a few others do. Mine has 250k on stock trans too. Rare for a 4L60E to survive that long on stock trans.... It is beefed up.
G80 posi is NOT available on a Fleetwood due to traction control being factory standard. Caprices and Roadmasters don't get TC, but G80 posi is optional.
The Fleetwood has a 4 channel ABS system (due to traction control), Caprices and Roadmasters do not get the ASR Traction Control nor the 4 Channel ABS, they get a 3 channel system. The axle on the FW is unique for this reason, but a Impala 4 wheel disc or Cop Car 4 wheel disc axle CAN be made to work with some mods from NavyLifer.







I don't know where you draw the conclusions of the Fleetwood looking the same as the Impala on the inside . . . .

1. You have bucket seats on the Impala SS, bench seat on the Fleetwood
2. Different dash design, still have that huge dash top in both cars though
3. Fleetwood has a longer wheelbase, with all the extra inches going into the rear seat legroom
4. The Fleetwood uses much nicer leather, plastics, and carpet than the Impala SS. They aren't the greatest, but they are an upgrade over the really cheap shit they put in the Chevys.
5. Fake woodgrain in the Fleetwood, cheap black plastic accents in an Impala SS
6. Fleetwood suspension is softer than an Impala SS
7. Powertrain is identical except that the Impala SS got a limited slip diff where the Fleetwood is open diff.
8. Traction control is standard on Fleetwood, not sure if it was avaiable on the Impala SS. The traction control was Cadillac's justification for going with an open diff.
9. Rear disc brakes on the Impala, rear drums on Fleetwood
10. Big huge chrome bumpers on the Fleetwood just scream Cadillac, it was the last passenger car to use chrome bumpers.

N0DIH
01-20-10, 09:01 AM
My 94 Fleetwood has 1 FSM, around 3-3.5 inches thick. Got it new at helm for $35.... They had a killer sale one year.

Now my 99 Suburban, has 4 volumes! It covers 99 C/K trucks/Tahoe/Suburbans and Old Body style and New Body Style, so it has 262, 305, 350, 454, 6.5L Turbo Diesel, 454 and 4.8L, 5.3L and 6.0L engines. Great book....


You would think a bigger car would require a bigger shop manual. Not so.

jayoldschool
01-20-10, 10:19 AM
Got it new at helm for $35.... They had a killer sale one year.

I ordered four different FSMs when they had that sale. I think we all almost put them out of business. They have never repeated it...

Stingroo
01-20-10, 12:11 PM
I ordered the FSM for my '94 off eBay for $23. :) It looked like it had never been opened. lol

HAZZARDJOHN
01-20-10, 12:52 PM
I have owned two Roadmaster sedans, and an Impala SS. I have a hot/cold feeling with the 93-96 Fleetwood, some look great and some look blah to me. I think Roadmasters are the best cruising cars, and they have become my favorite car of this generation, probably cause it was my first car. But having owned a clean Impala SS, I will tell you even with the lack luster interior, it still is the best feeling in the world when you are driving one. They are fun to drive out of the box, with simple mods they are exquisite and they just look sinister. I think the best looking interior in any of these cars is the 91-93 Roadmaster wagon and the 92-93 roadmaster sedan. They got full analog gauges, real nice woodwork and a great layout. They just seem to be a better quality than the other offerings including the 94-96 Roadmaster offerings. The weird part is the leather seats on the standard custom roadmaster are far superior to the limited seats. I am partial to cloth myself though and Cloth roadmasters have that nice Buick Velvet type cloth. I would love to take a 92-93 Roadmaster, and drop and LT1 or even an Gen III engine, with a great brake and suspension package and tasteful rims (I hate all buick rims and hubcaps in this generation) and have the best of the B-bodies.

~HJ

Stingroo
01-20-10, 01:10 PM
I kinda dig the RM Sedan; the rear end is a little weird to me. The wagons are cool though.

HAZZARDJOHN
01-20-10, 01:16 PM
I kinda dig the RM Sedan; the rear end is a little weird to me. The wagons are cool though.

I'm not a wagon guy, but I would if I found a WB4 wagon with a sedan nose. It is what GM originally intended and it sure makes the RMW look so much classier. GM was going to have the sedan nose on the wagon but the sedan was delayed (hence no 1991 sedan, although my Blue 92 was built in February of 91) they just threw the caprice sheet metal on the wagon and then never got around to fixing it.

~HJ

Stingroo
01-20-10, 03:14 PM
See... I think the RM nose is odd too, it's like, slanted. It's a cool car, but just looks a little funky.

jayoldschool
01-20-10, 06:10 PM
I think the best looking interior in any of these cars is the 91-93 Roadmaster wagon and the 92-93 roadmaster sedan. They got full analog gauges, real nice woodwork and a great layout. They just seem to be a better quality than the other offerings including the 94-96 Roadmaster offerings. The weird part is the leather seats on the standard custom roadmaster are far superior to the limited seats

I agree on both points! I love the full gauges in my 92 RMW, and I like the seats so much (leather, non-limited), I bought a set to put in my Caprice wagon. Interestingly, the RM non-limited seats are the same as the SS seats, but with different foam/skins.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-20-10, 07:35 PM
I have owned two Roadmaster sedans, and an Impala SS. I have a hot/cold feeling with the 93-96 Fleetwood, some look great and some look blah to me. I think Roadmasters are the best cruising cars, and they have become my favorite car of this generation, probably cause it was my first car. But having owned a clean Impala SS, I will tell you even with the lack luster interior, it still is the best feeling in the world when you are driving one. They are fun to drive out of the box, with simple mods they are exquisite and they just look sinister. I think the best looking interior in any of these cars is the 91-93 Roadmaster wagon and the 92-93 roadmaster sedan. They got full analog gauges, real nice woodwork and a great layout. They just seem to be a better quality than the other offerings including the 94-96 Roadmaster offerings. The weird part is the leather seats on the standard custom roadmaster are far superior to the limited seats. I am partial to cloth myself though and Cloth roadmasters have that nice Buick Velvet type cloth. I would love to take a 92-93 Roadmaster, and drop and LT1 or even an Gen III engine, with a great brake and suspension package and tasteful rims (I hate all buick rims and hubcaps in this generation) and have the best of the B-bodies.

~HJ

I agree, the LO5 Roadmasters had the best gauge/dash setup of any B/D bodies. My Grandparents had a '92 RML Sedan when I was a kid and I always liked the full instrumentation and big slab of faux wood trim on the dashboard. It seemed very "Jaguar". The '94-96 RM's had the lesser dash...only a speedo, temp and fuel gauges, and the 95-96 RML's didn't have seats as nice as the early RML's.

Aron9000
01-20-10, 09:55 PM
Speaking of the RMW, check out this beauty with only 29k miles on it.:bonkers:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/low-miles-excellent-condition-rare-estate-wagon_W0QQitemZ260539298985QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_C ars_Trucks?hash=item3ca95a34a9

theGman
01-20-10, 09:57 PM
The Fleetwood is an Impala SS in a tuxedo.