: If you could have any RWD Cadillacs what would you be driving?



Bro-Ham
12-25-09, 09:35 PM
In the spirit of Christmas wishes:

1. If you could dream up a list of RWD Cadillacs to have under your tree what would they be?

2. Also, please be discreet, include what other cars do you like and someday want to own in addition to our beloved Cadillacs.

3. Then, what is your PowerBall/Lottery winner car?

This is a wish list, not what you currently own. :) :) :)

Here's what I'm thinking about, not necessarily in the order I like them:

RWD Cads:
69-81 Fleetwood Brougham (I'd be happy with any!, want a 77 bad though)
74-76 Fleetwood Talisman
75-76 Sedan deVille (love the wide open hardtop in this body style!)
63-64 Fleetwood Sixty Special
58 Fleetwood Sixty Special
58 Series 62 Convertible (Hud!)
90-92 Brougham
79 Seville Elegante (2 tone Cedar)

Other desires:
85-86 Maserati Quattroporte (worst EPA mileage ever - 8 city, 10 hwy!)
89-99 Bentley Turbo R (club room elegance, rocket fast!)
77-80 RR Silver Wraith II (oh so classic!)
87-99 RR Silver Spur (square bodied Roller that I have loved since day 1!)
99-02 RR Silver Seraph (fun modern RR)
91-92 Alfa Romeo Spider Veloce (sex on wheels!)
83 Mercedes-Benz 240D (slow, and clacks too!)
81-85 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (presidential yet economical)
92-95 Mercedes-Benz 300SD/S350 Turbodiesel (the GRANDE diesel!)
88-94 BMW 750iL (classic, gotta have a V12!)
75 Buick Electra 225 Sedan (all time favorite!)
75 Oldsmobile 98 Regency Sedan (second all time favorite!)
76 Chevrolet Caprice Classic Coupe
75 Pontiac Grand Ville Brougham Convertible
75-76 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible
77-78 Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz (delicious!)

Lotto:
10 RR Phantom Extended Wheelbase :)

Bro-Ham
12-25-09, 09:47 PM
I forgot, love the Cadillac Factory Limousines - 1975 through 1984. In the spirit of Craig I'd take a mini 1985-87 Cad factory limo for the novelty of it all. :)

jayoldschool
12-25-09, 10:14 PM
I'd like to add an 80 or 81 Cadillac DeVille LeCabriolet. 57 Eldorado Brougham would be nice, too ;)

Lotto time?
Ferarri 250 GTO to start. After that, whatever I could find until the garage was full. Too many to list, really...

Bro-Ham
12-25-09, 10:21 PM
LeCabriolet is HOT! Jay, dream a little - what do you LOVE? :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-25-09, 10:45 PM
Cool thread Dave!

RWD Cads:

1980-85 Fleetwood Brougham Coupe D'Elegance (I normally despise the HT4100, but I'd put up with it in one of these)
1979-84 DeVille D'Elegance (prefer the coupe)
1990-92 Brougham D'Elegance (avoid the 307, need the 305 or 350)
1994-96 Fleetwood Brougham
1974-76 Fleetwood Talisman (like the '74's interior the most, but I think that the 75-76's have a nicer front fascia)
1979 Fleetwood Brougham D'Elegance
1968 Fleetwood Brougham or Sixty Special (love the aggressive look of the 67-68's, but prefer the 472)
1975-76 Coupe deVille D'Elegance
1972-73 DeVille or Fleetwood Brougham (I don't like how the '71's have the parking lamps in the front bumper)
1969 Sedan deVille Hardtop
1963-64 Fleetwood Sixty Special
1957-60 Eldorado Brougham (prefer the 59-60's)
2009+ CTS-V



Other cars I desire in my stable:

1999-00 Cadillac Escalade
1993-95 Cadillac Seville STS
2000-03 Cadillac Seville STS
2000-02 Cadillac Eldorado ETC
1983 Oldsmobile Toronado Caliente (Caliente was the sporty package, which included a digital dash and suede/pigskin seats)
1979-85 Buick Riviera T-Type
1979-85 Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz (again, avoid the HT4100)
1977-84 Buick Electra Park Avenue (grandpa and grandma had one of these before their '92 Roadmaster Limited)
1977-84 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency Brougham (these are nice too, but I prefer the Electras)
1958-60 Lincoln Continental Mark III/IV/V Hardtop Sedan
1963-64 Lincoln Continental
1968.5-71 Lincoln Continental Mark III
1972-76 Lincoln Continental Mark IV
1977-78 Lincoln Continental Mark V (want to avoid the 400cid that was unavoidable in '79)
1995-96 Lincoln Mark VIII LSC
1986-91 Mercedes Benz 560SEL/560SEC (M-B's best design ever)
1997-99 Mercedes Benz S500/S600 Sedan (the coupes never looked as nice IMO)
2003-06 Mercedes Benz S500/S55/S600
2008+ Mercedes Benz S/CL Class (aside from the new S400 hybrid)
1998-01 BMW 740iL (do not want BMW's V-12. Less reliable than M-B's and less powerful)
2002-05 BMW 330Xi
2000-03 BMW 540i
1976-90 Aston Martin Lagonda
ANY Lamborghini
1998-00 Lexus LS400
2008+ Lexus LS460L (NOT that hybrid LS600hL)
1998-02 Jaguar Vanden Plas
2011 Jaguar XJ
1990-96 Infiniti Q45
1995-99 Buick Riviera

I think I'll stop there. This could go on for days.

sven914
12-25-09, 11:13 PM
Cadillacs in Order of preference:

1948-56 Coupe de Ville
1954-58 Fleetwood Brougham
1965-68 Coupe de Ville
1974-76 Fleetwood Seventy Five
1974-76 Fleetwood Brougham (either d'Elegance or Talisman)
1959-60 Fleetwood Seventy Five
1980-81 Coupe de Ville/ Brougham Coupe (gonna put a 500 in it)
1971-73 Fleetwood Brougham
1977-79 Miller-Meteor/ S&S Victoria
1959-60 Miller-Meteor/ Superior
1957-58 Eldorado Brougham
1971-78 Eldorado
1959-60 Coupe de Ville
1930-40 Cadillac 16
1980-85 Seville Coupe (gonna take it a part and make it rear wheel drive)

Other Desires:

1957-58 Plymouth Belvedere Sport Coupe/ Fury (number one above all humans and most Cadillacs)
1966-67 Dodge Charger (love the fast Back)
1968-69 Dodge Charger
1969-70 Dodge Charger Daytona/ Plymouth Super Bird
1958-60 Edsel
1969-70 Ford Mustang Boss 302
1965-67 Pontiac GTO (Goat)
1958-60 Lincoln Premier
1965-66 Pontiac Catalina
1927-32 Ford Model A Coupe
1947-48 Tucker Torpedo
1965-80 Rolls Royce Silver Shadow

Lotto:

1933 Pierce-Arrow Silver Arrow (one of Five ever produced)

Stingroo
12-26-09, 03:23 AM
Aston Martin Lagonda FTW! A neighbor of mine had one. At first I thought it was smooshed. But it grew on me after seeing it every day I guess.

Okay.... here we go.

My list of dream cars:
General Motors
MY 1994 Fleetwood Brougham (you know, like, actually running)
2006 Corvette Z06 (Daytona Sunset Orange Metallic FTW)
2009+ Corvette ZR1 (Yes, I love Corvettes)
1963 Corvette Sting Ray coupe (Split windows, anybody?)
C3 427 Corvette (Yeeeah buddy)
1969 COPO Camaro (I'll never find one, but a guy can dream :()
Pontiac Trans Am SD 455
1970 Buick GSX Stage I (more torque than any other American car. Ever.)
1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (without a vinyl top. It's a personal thing)
1987 Buick GNX (who doesn't want one of these?)
C4 Corvette ZR1
Pontiac G8 GXP
That awesome triple orange Fleetwood (Yes Dave, I love it)
Cadillac XLR-V
2009+ Cadillac CTS-V

Non-GM
Audi S6 Avant (Come on... 500+ horsepower wagon? Coolest soccer dad ever. AND IT COMES IN ORANGE!)
Lamborghini Diablo SV (Boyhood love)
Ferrari 458 Italia
Ferrari Enzo
Pagani Zonda F
Bugatti Veyron 16.4 (Another 'who doesn't want one?' car)
Koenigsegg CCX
Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG (That thing is GORGEOUS)
Aston Martin Rapide
TVR Speed 12 (Impossible, probably, but still cool)
Lincoln LS V8 (I don't know, I always thought it was a good looking car.)
Nissan Skyline R34 (It may be a plastic toy, but it'd be a fun one.)
Saleen S7 TT
SSC Ultimate Aero (Who doesn't want the fastest thing on planet Earth?)
Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
Detomaso Pantera (I fell in love with that car at a car show last year)
1995 Mazda RX7 (Rotary powah! And probably the only Japanese car to make my list)
Ariel Atom
Audi R8 5.2 FSI (Droolworthy every day)
McLaren F1 (Fastest N/A car ever. Plus, that third seat is cool)


Seriously... there are more. Those are just off the top of my head. If I ever get rich, I'm going to need a second house... then need to gut it, and turn it into a garage.

csbuckn
12-26-09, 09:30 AM
59 caddy eldo convert
60 caddy eldo convert
96 brougham
80 firebird
92 firebird
some type of harley

lotto would be 80-85 caddy coupe with 90s conversion and a crazy motor.

Bro-Ham
12-26-09, 10:18 AM
Wow!!! You guys have some interesting cars that you think about!!! Chad, you and I think about many of the same GM cars. I love Electras, 98's, big Cads and all the classic American tubs! Sven, I also love those 77-79 hearses with the unique landau windows. When I go into the funeral biz I'd love to have a fleet with 1977 hearse plus matching 77 Cad factory limo & 77 Fleetwood Brougham! Sting, I knew you were whipped when you saw that orange Talisman and the orgasm that followed! Do you play the piano well and like oversized diamonds and nine mile long fur coats? :) CS, you won't need that big of a garage...are you sure that's your whole list?? :) :)

I'm forgetting I love the 1935-40 Cadillac Fleetwood Town Car. I'd love to have all the mechanicals from a brand new modern GM truck but have the car look completely original.

Angry Matt
12-26-09, 10:52 AM
My list is short.

1968 CDV conv.
1976 Talisman.
1980 Brougham Coupe D'elegance, (don't tell my '81) with an astroroof.
1980 Le'Cab with the full '90 chassis, body and drivetrain swap. I'd have to buy it done, because I couldn't bring myself to alter such a piece of history.

1972 Ferrari Daytona Spyder, like my all time favorite detective Sonny Crockett or possibly his later season Ferrari. I already have the Wayfarers.

Those Maybachs are interesting, maybe one of them (assuming they are RWD).

bicentennialcadillac
12-26-09, 10:59 AM
I have a relatively limited window of cars I truly love, and I've scratched most of those itches at this point. The stuff of my dreams is not all that unattainable, just very rare to find in decent shape.

I'd love to have a '75/'76 Calais in Cotillion White with the red/white/blue plaid interior. A '76 Fleetwood wagon would be fantastic.

csbuckn
12-26-09, 12:06 PM
I havent got a chance to really experience alot of classic cars yet. I do like New Yorkers, caprices and huge cars of the same. I love muscle cars like chevelles and cutlasses but they are still second to Cadillac. I would have a big fleet but the rest would have to be looked at first, but Im pretty sure a '71ish Chevelle would make it in the garage. Bro, I would love to see a funeral home with classic Cadillacs. What color would you paint them?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-26-09, 12:26 PM
More from me.

Sports Cars:
Bugatti Veyron (because, seriously, who wouldn't want one?)
Ferrari 458 Italia (the best looking Ferrari ever)
Aston Martin DB9
1990-95 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 (C4 FTW, 32 Valve DOHC 5.7 FTMFW, and I'm not even a Corvette kinda guy)
1993-97 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
1993-97 Pontiac Trans Am
1990-92 Pontiac Trans Am GTA (has to have the TPI 5.7 and four speed automatic)
2010+ Chevrolet Camaro SS/RS
1997-99 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 (one of the coolest Japanese cars ever)
1993-98 Toyota Supra Turbo (without a doubt, the coolest Japanese car ever. Tough part is finding one that's clean and unmolested)
Koenegsigg CCX
Volvo C30 (yeah it's a little effeminate, but it's the coolest car in it's class. Cool swedish design and luxury, and with that I-5 turbo, pretty quick)


Luxury cars:
2010 Maybach Zeppelin
Volkswagen Phaeton W12 (the ONLY Volkswagen I'd ever buy, and I'd think long and hard before I bought it)

Aron9000
12-26-09, 01:15 PM
I'll keep it short to just Cadillacs:

1961 Cadillac hearse(wild looking hearse IMO)
1956 Coupe Deville
1959 Convertible
1949 Fleetwood 75
1968 Sedan Deville
1970 Deville convertible(triple white)
1980 Fleetwood Brougham coupe(with a LS3 under the hood)
1963 Coupe Deville
1976 Fleetwood Brougham
1968 Eldorado
2010 CTS-V


That's a short list off the top of my head.

Bro-Ham
12-26-09, 01:40 PM
Bro, I would love to see a funeral home with classic Cadillacs. What color would you paint them?

CS: Something very, very tropical and Florida, perhaps a pastel cream with a slightly darker rich and creamy contrasting top, or a pale aqua - something fun! All cars would be coordinated and I think it would be the talk of the town! :)

Chad, I love that Maybach! If only they had made it perhaps that brand would have relevance! I love the VW Phaeton!! I agree that the W-12 is the only way to go if you're going down that road! :)

Bi, You're a Calais guy?! They sure are rare and I agree about the plaid interior - it's cool! The deVille had plaids in the same years - do you like those as well?

AngryM, I'll take your V6 Fleetwood Brougham Coupe if you put it up for adoption! :)

Did everyone have a merry Christmas? :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-26-09, 02:03 PM
Oh, Dave, my buddy has a '78 Eldorado Biarritz for sale. It's a triple yellow, sort of a cream/yellow color. He's as meticulous as you are when it comes to cars so it's very very clean.

Stingroo
12-26-09, 02:51 PM
Nay, I have no musical talent at all. The furthest I go, musically speaking, would be like Guitar Hero... on medium. :lol:

Orange is just an awesome looking color. Today, while stopped at Wal Mart to get a bulb for the turn signal for the Olds, I saw an orange H2, a lady with an orange tanktop (totally worth it :thumbsup:), and two guys with a dead battery, both wearing orange shirts. Then, on the way home, I saw an orange 2010 Camaro. :)

Today is a good day to be orange.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-26-09, 03:16 PM
Agent Orange is your new nickname.

Bro-Ham
12-26-09, 03:35 PM
Agent Orange, Paint that Floatwood Brougham of yours a zesty metallic orange! That would be HOT! :)

Chadillac, I love the yellowness of a triple yellow Biarritz! Tell me more! :)

bicentennialcadillac
12-26-09, 04:32 PM
The deVille had plaids in the same years - do you like those as well?

Oh yeah, I like all the '76 cars. Calais would be more likely to have the bare roof treatment.

Bro-Ham
12-26-09, 04:43 PM
Oh yeah, I like all the '76 cars. Calais would be more likely to have the bare roof treatment.

I agree totally!!!! I wish my 79 was vinyl-less! Growing up my friend's parents had a brand new 76 Coupe deVille with no vinyl top and I grew up with a 77 Sedan deVille with no vinyl top. They look so clean without the vinyl. :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-26-09, 04:55 PM
Cant you just take them off?

Bro-Ham
12-26-09, 05:02 PM
Cant you just take them off?

Of course, then you may have rust underneath, raised buttons where the lower edge trim fits on, and the rear window, especially in my 79, requires chrome moldings around the glass which means finding a donor car with not vinyl top to salvage the moldings from. Easier said than done. :) Would be cool to do if it could be done right! :)

Stingroo
12-26-09, 05:35 PM
Or if I hit the lotto I could buy the hot lava CTS being advertised on the home page....

And then a DSOM (Daytona Sunset Orange Metallic) WS6 Trans Am, with matching Z06 friend.

Someday. :)

bicentennialcadillac
12-26-09, 06:06 PM
I agree totally!!!! I wish my 79 was vinyl-less! Growing up my friend's parents had a brand new 76 Coupe deVille with no vinyl top and I grew up with a 77 Sedan deVille with no vinyl top. They look so clean without the vinyl. :)

My '79 is vinyl-delete. Fleetwoods wouldn't look right sans the top, but a junior model like a deVille looks great to me in such guise.

Bro-Ham
12-26-09, 07:19 PM
My '79 is vinyl-delete. Fleetwoods wouldn't look right sans the top, but a junior model like a deVille looks great to me in such guise.

That's cool! What color?? Post up a picture or two! :)

Bro-Ham
12-26-09, 07:21 PM
Oh, by the way, it's not vinyl delete. On the deVilles the vinyl was an OPTION so what you have is vinyl roof check the option box! :)

77CDV
12-26-09, 11:12 PM
Well, I already have two of my most wanted RWD Cads. Others I'd want would be:

1965 Deville Convertible

1958 Fleetwood Sixty Special

1948 Coupe de Ville

1939 Sixty Special

Other Cads I want (not RWD)

1989 or 1990 Fleetwood Sixty Special (had one and regret selling it)

1980 Seville

1972 Eldorado Convertible

Non-Cadillacs I'd like to own include:

1964 to 1966 Imperial

1949 or 1950 Buick Roadmaster Riviera

1971 to 1976 GM Full-Sized Station Wagon (any division)

Unattainable dream car: Bentley Azure Convertible

Bro-Ham
12-27-09, 09:47 AM
Unattainable? Bentley Azure? Aim high and shoot for the moon Craig! It can be done - even without the lottery!!!!! :)

Lazarus_Rooney
12-27-09, 11:48 AM
my dream garage is quite small.... quality over quantity.

my 1990 Brougham with 80's style bumpers lights and trim, diamond tri-coat paint with black roof, 8.2 liter, and the interior completly redone. id want the car to look as if it came from the factory as something beyond d'elegance. like cadillac stopped competing with lincoln and went up against rolls royce.

my 1994 roadmaster estate in gold and bronze, tinted windows, lowered a bit and with all the rust fixed..........

and if i hit the lotto:
Rolls Royce Phantom drophead
Bently Brooklands coupe
1971 Buick Riviera with a 455
Aston Martin DB5

Bro-Ham
12-27-09, 04:31 PM
Lazarus - BRAVO! I love it!!! :) :) :)

95streamer
12-27-09, 05:08 PM
Go back in time and order a 76 Fleetwood with
D'elegance cloth
astroroof
fuel injection
trailer tow package
track master
and everything else....

Color: too many to decide:)

Also 65 Fleetwood Brougham,
and 96 FWB optioned out, sunroof, tow pk, ect....

Bro-Ham
12-27-09, 05:13 PM
That's a Cher song isn't it?! If I could turn back time..... :) And a Journey song - don't stop believing! :) As with Chevrolet and the popular Camaro I hope Cadillac will go back to it's roots (RuPaul?) and get with it so we can have some Cadillac fun again! :)

9ine3reefleet
12-27-09, 11:56 PM
Santa, if you're reading this. Next Christmas what I REALLY REALLY REALLY want is a mid 60's to mid 70's fleetwood brougham and I will be straight. :xgrin::xgrin::xgrin:

Fleet
12-28-09, 02:19 AM
RWD Cadillacs:

1969 Fleetwood Seventy-Five Limousine (black)
1975 Fleetwood Seventy-Five Limousine (dark blue)
1975 Fleetwood Brougham Talisman (dark blue)
1969 Coupe or Sedan de Ville
1966 Fleetwood Brougham
1959 Eldorado Seville
1968 Fleetwood Brougham (dark blue)
1961 Fleetwood Seventy-Five Limousine (black)

Non-Cadillac
1969 Dodge Coronet R/T 440-Magnum
1969 Dodge Charger R/T 426-Hemi
1969 Plymouth Road Runner 440-6 bbl
1970 Plymouth Hemicuda
1957 Chrysler 300-C, 392/375 hp Hemi
1970 Buick GS 455 Stage 1
1970 Chevrolet Chevelle 454 LS-6
1969 Ford Fairlane Cobra 428
1969 Dodge Dart GTS 340-Magnum
1969 Dodge Dart GTS 440-Magnum
1966 Plymouth Sport Fury 440-4 bbl
1966 Chrysler 300
1969 Chrysler Imperial
1970 Lincoln Continental
1975 Lincoln Continental
1966 Pontiac Grand Prix

supercad1
12-28-09, 09:14 PM
The old school Elvis Cadillacs, beautiful pieces of American art.

If that isn't an RWD vehicle, then an Eldorado from the 70s with the Cadillac 500 big block. Ah, the old days.

My_favorite_Brougham
12-28-09, 10:29 PM
I'll throw a car out there that never existed. How's about a 80-85 Fleetwood coupe with a Zimmer conversion? :D

Bro-Ham
12-28-09, 10:57 PM
Were the Zimmers really made out of Cadillacs? :)

kevinf
12-29-09, 10:59 AM
CTS-V daily driver
96 FW Hearse for towing my Ski Nautique
70s Limo for fun
96 FWB date night cruiser

Cadillacboy
12-29-09, 01:00 PM
Besides my '96 FWB
'89 Brougham D'elegance black/ black and LT1 installed
'69 Cadillac FWB
'68 Cadillac FWB
'57 Cadillac FWB

My_favorite_Brougham
12-29-09, 10:14 PM
Were the Zimmers really made out of Cadillacs? :)

No but it would be cool to see a Cadillac made up like that though.

Bro-Ham
12-29-09, 10:49 PM
No but it would be cool to see a Cadillac made up like that though.

Well, a Cadillac Zimmer would certainly be the ultimate pimp magic wagon! :)

tbcaddy18
12-30-09, 09:27 PM
1955 Cadillac Fleetwood Series Sixty Special - Black on Black :worship:

Aron9000
12-31-09, 12:50 AM
I'd take any 1948(first year for the tailfin) to 1956 Cadillac. That is my favorite era in terms of design, 57 and 58 were a bit too flamboyant and somewhat tacky IMO. 59 was way over the top, but it just seemed like a way more cohesive design than the last two years.

Warren_R
12-31-09, 07:29 AM
Off the top of my head,
1946 Series 62 sedan
1955-56 Fleetwood (black or turquoise)
1959 FW (" ")
1960 Sedan deVille (" ")
1966 FW Brougham (bronze or light yellow)
1976 FW Talisman (triple black)
1977 FW Brougham (triple black or bronze w/ fawn leather int) (( getting it past Dave might be tricky ))
1992 Brougham (any color scheme as mentioned above)
1996 FW Brougham (ditto)

Non Cadillacs

1975 Imperial LeBaron (full options)
1979 Lincoln Continental Sed.
1978-79 Lincoln Mark V
1989 Lincoln Town Car
1988 Rolls Royce Silver Shadow


Dream Car:

An exact copy of the 1976 Fleetwood Talisman custom made by Cadillac Division :)

Warren_R
12-31-09, 07:31 AM
ps --

Whoops, I need to correct the year from 1946 to 1947 ... not sure at all if production had fully resumed by then.
Also, a 1947 Tucker would be nice. Love that center headlight & trunked engine!

Bro-Ham
12-31-09, 12:57 PM
Off the top of my head,
1946 Series 62 sedan
1955-56 Fleetwood (black or turquoise)
1959 FW (" ")
1960 Sedan deVille (" ")
1966 FW Brougham (bronze or light yellow)
1976 FW Talisman (triple black)
1977 FW Brougham (triple black or bronze w/ fawn leather int) (( getting it past Dave might be tricky ))
1992 Brougham (any color scheme as mentioned above)
1996 FW Brougham (ditto)

Non Cadillacs

1975 Imperial LeBaron (full options)
1979 Lincoln Continental Sed.
1978-79 Lincoln Mark V
1989 Lincoln Town Car
1988 Rolls Royce Silver Shadow


Dream Car:

An exact copy of the 1976 Fleetwood Talisman custom made by Cadillac Division :)

Wow! You're right, we'll arm wrestle for the 77 FWBH. :) Cads were made starting in 1946 so you're in luck! I love the 79 Lincoln Continental/TownCar and also the 75 Imperial - a classic! The 1988 RR Silver Shadow may be tough since 1980 was the last year for the Shadow and the Silver Spirit and long wheelbase Silver Spur came out in 1981. Lots of us on the forum seem to like the Silver Shadow. I've had a bunch of RR's and previously owned a 1980 Silver Shadow II which had only 16k miles when I acquired it. Sexy two tone claret over garnet with classic tan interior. I added the RR accessory chrome wheels for fun. :) Older RR's are a handful to keep maintained right but worth it since they are such a pleasure to drive and have fun in! :)

Warren_R
01-02-10, 05:57 AM
Hmmm ... well thankfully, more than one '79 FWB must be waiting quietly in the wings for her new owner :) That way there's no need to jostle for ownership :D

Is the RR really so expensive to maintain, though? I researched the '89 Silver Spur a bit & found mention of leakages being common (at least in some makes)

Bro-Ham
01-02-10, 10:24 AM
Is the RR really so expensive to maintain, though? I researched the '89 Silver Spur a bit & found mention of leakages being common (at least in some makes)

Well Warren, there are differences in RR's. I'll address Silver Shadow and Spur models then compare to RWD Cadillac FWBH's. A couple of thoughts on RR's first, specifially the Shadow (1966-80) and Spirit/Spur (1981-99). They are British cars. Need I say more? Plus they were made in limited numbers - around 1,000 copies per year. RR was a super small independent auto maker...on a budget. Although the cars were never technological leaders, ever, they did feature the very best workmanship and finish available, of course.

Silver Shadows are notorious leakers and lots of things break on them and they are highly maintenance intensive and parts are not that cheap and some are difficult to find. They have hydraulic brakes and levelling system and the fluid is flammable plus if all the fluid is lost there is a backup but the car is basically undriveable. A problem and constant worry if taking a trip. Plus, even simple projects like replacing suspension bushings, springs, and shocks requires special RR tools that either need to be rented or purchased or the work needs to be done by a RR professional - at a price. On the flip side, they are beautiful cars, if properly maintained, and they are built very well, some things are overbuilt, and the Shadow is a blast to drive with its ultra floaty ride yet with classic European handling when pushed and decent performance. I had two 1980 Shadow II's, one had super low mileage, 16k, and the other had 211k. Both were super nice examples. The service records on the 211k car took my breath away - it was owned by a friend who RR dealer serviced it and so did the previous owner. My 16k mile car cost me and arm, leg, and several major organs to keep up correctly in the 3 years I owned it.

The Silver Spur and Spirit were based on the Shadow so many of the same gremlins above apply but improvements were made so these models are OK at best from 1981 through mid year 1987. This vintage sill leaks although the hydraulic fluid is mineral oil so it doesn't start on fire and won't damage the paint. Even simple projects on most cars are major undertakings on RR's due to the need for special tools, knowledge of the intricacies of diagnosing problems and making the car right, and the cost of parts is reflective of the pay to play of owning the brand. Positives are a much more reliable car than the Shadow, more contemporary styling, more controlled and crisp ride and handling, and more luxury features. I had Silver Spirit models from 1984 and 1986. I put 80k+ miles on my 1984 Spirit and maintained it by the book and spent at least twice the purchase price ($33k) fixing it during the 6 years I owned it. I only had the 86 Spirit one year, my first RR, and it took $15k in service to keep it going. I just about gave up on RR's.

In mid year 1987 RR made major improvements and the Spirit/Spur from 1987 1/2 through 1989 are highly regarded for their reliability (relatively speaking) and durability. This vintage of car can be driven every day with few worries. They are still very expensive to fix when they break but the cars from these years break much less than the older ones. I had a 1989 Bentley Turbo R, my second RR/Bentley car, and it was the best one I owned. I got it in 1998 with 38k miles and it never blinked or had even one problem in the almost two years I had it. The dealer I got it from had a buyer and I sold it back but I regret that I did it. That car was a rocket with the interior from an exquisite English club!

In 1990 through 1993 RR added extensive electronics to the cars including electronic ride control, airbag, alloy wheels, keyless entry, heated seats, and much more. The ride is the most lush velvety experience ever! These models are more complex and cost more to fix but they are still pretty reliable. I had a 1991 Silver Spur II and LOVED it! Drove it for a year with very few issues. I want a 1993 Silver Spur II if I ever buy another RR.

1994-1999 were great cars although made in very limited numbers. Bentleys were so much more popular during this era. The 94-99 RR's had an improved engine management system yet diagnosing problems takes the expertise of a knowledgeable dealer and even they have to guess at the proper fixes. Also, computers for these cars fail fairly frequently and they are about $5 grand to replace and there are not many sources for properly repairing them. Great cars otherwise.

So, a RWD Cadillac, in comparison, isn't anywhere as well made nor does it have the presence of a RR. But, the Cadillac is the right car to drive when wanting a lot of flash for not a lot of cash. A nice clean old Cadillac can go nearly anyplace a RR can and fit in nearly as well. Plus, almost any mechanic can easily and willingly fix a Cadillac both economically and quickly. A RR takes time to diagnose a problem, then find the parts, wait for them to arrive, then get them fitted and working properly. I love RR's very much but I'm happy to be taking a break from them. Looking back at all the $$ I spent owning the cars makes me shake my head yet I sure did enjoy driving every one of them. My Cadillac gives much pleasure without the headaches so in balancing my experiences I'd say I've probably gotten enough of a RR fix to last a lifetime and I'm enjoying every minute of the simplicity and fabulousness of my good old RWD Cad.

There. Wrote a book for y'all. :)

Stingroo
01-02-10, 10:35 AM
Congratulations Bro-Ham. You are the first official nominee for the Night Wolf Literary Award for 2010 (or, the Nighties :D)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-02-10, 10:58 AM
Cool stuff Dave. What kind of RR were you driving when you came in to visit Lyle Hoffman at Southview? It was silver, I do remember that and I think you told me it was late '80s/early '90s. That was one nice car, especially with the lambswool rugs and super soft seats.

You spent $33,000 maintaining the '84 Silver Spirit in the 6 years you owned it? GEEEEEEZ!! By comparison, the $4,500 I spent maintaining the S320 in the two years I owned it doesn't seem so bad... When I had the S Class, I thought about possibly moving up into an early '90s Rolls Royce/ Bentley sometime in the future, but I don't think I could ever realistically afford the maintenance and repairs on one. The Mercedes was "top shelf" enough, I don't think I'd ever need (or want) to go up any higher in the automotive parthenon than that. They're a very handsome car (the '90s RR/Bentleys), but they were never as technologically advanced as the S Class or 7 Series, so that's one of the reasons I couldn't justify ownership.

Bro-Ham
01-02-10, 12:24 PM
Cool stuff Dave. What kind of RR were you driving when you came in to visit Lyle Hoffman at Southview? It was silver, I do remember that and I think you told me it was late '80s/early '90s. That was one nice car, especially with the lambswool rugs and super soft seats.

You spent $33,000 maintaining the '84 Silver Spirit in the 6 years you owned it? GEEEEEEZ!! By comparison, the $4,500 I spent maintaining the S320 in the two years I owned it doesn't seem so bad... When I had the S Class, I thought about possibly moving up into an early '90s Rolls Royce/ Bentley sometime in the future, but I don't think I could ever realistically afford the maintenance and repairs on one. The Mercedes was "top shelf" enough, I don't think I'd ever need (or want) to go up any higher in the automotive parthenon than that. They're a very handsome car (the '90s RR/Bentleys), but they were never as technologically advanced as the S Class or 7 Series, so that's one of the reasons I couldn't justify ownership.

Chad, RR's of the 80's/90's were probably as technologially advanced or more than any Cadillac of the era. RR buyers really don't care as long as the cars are keeping up and 1990's era RR's were certainly fast enough and as supremely comfortable as can be plus with unparalleled hand craftsmanship. A RR or Bentley simply doesn't compare to an every day Mercedes or BMW. Almost anyone with a little bit of money can lease a Mercedes. People who know what the best is will always own a Rolls-Royce or Bentley. Once you own a RR and smell the delicious leather, let your feet wade through the silky thick lambswool rugs, glide your fingers across the polished burlwood dash and door caps, and when you are sitting high atop your own throne of a driver's seat looking out over the world and you show up at your favorite place to meet your friends, or, especially people you don't know, and you alight from your magnificent Rolls-Royce motorcar you'll never see an S-Class or 7-series the same way. :)

Chad, by the way, you misread my statement above about the $33,000 in service work, I said I spent at least TWICE that to drive my 84 Spirit 6 years and 80k+ miles. I did about 1/3 of the work in my own repair shop and the other 2/3 I had done at my favorite RR dealer. It's not cheap and anyone who thinks owning and driving one is easy should try one. In hindsight, instead of driving that 84 RR so many miles I wish I had driven a much newer certified pre-owned RR and let a dealer deal with repairs from my high mileage (for a RR) driving. Chad, the silver RR you saw was my 91 Silver Spur II.

Being away from RR's for almost two years makes me feel like I've overcome an addiction. What a pleasure and high to own the ultimate luxury car but what a relief and freedom to not have all the expense and hassle. :)

77CDV
01-02-10, 12:29 PM
The Mercedes was "top shelf" enough, I don't think I'd ever need (or want) to go up any higher in the automotive pantheon than that.

Fixed ;)

Bro-Ham
01-02-10, 12:30 PM
Congratulations Bro-Ham. You are the first official nominee for the Night Wolf Literary Award for 2010 (or, the Nighties :D)

StingOrange, I don't know what you're talking about. I wrote all of this in the light of day. :) Plus, I've never owned an orange car although I like red quite a bit. :)

Stingroo
01-02-10, 12:48 PM
Well I think you SHOULD own an orange car. Or two... or ten.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-02-10, 12:48 PM
Chad, RR's of the 80's/90's were probably as technologially advanced or more than any Cadillac of the era. RR buyers really don't care as long as the cars are keeping up and 1990's era RR's were certainly fast enough and as supremely comfortable as can be plus with unparalleled hand craftsmanship. A RR or Bentley simply doesn't compare to an every day Mercedes or BMW. Almost anyone with a little bit of money can lease a Mercedes. People who know what the best is will always own a Rolls-Royce or Bentley. Once you own a RR and smell the delicious leather, let your feet wade through the silky thick lambswool rugs, glide your fingers across the polished burlwood dash and door caps, and when you are sitting high atop your own throne of a driver's seat looking out over the world and you show up at your favorite place to meet your friends, or, especially people you don't know, and you alight from your magnificent Rolls-Royce motorcar you'll never see an S-Class or 7-series the same way. :)

Dave, did you ever own a W140 S-Class like mine? If so, I'd like to hear how the craftsmanship and build quality compared. Everyone said the 126 and 140 was the peak of M-B's build quality, but aside from being hand built, how much better could the Rollers and Bentleys be? Is it truly "cost be damned" engineering and design? Or is it just a special feeling you get from being behind the wheel of the world's most expensive luxury car? I remember sitting in yours and thinking it was truly the most elegant, classy car I ever sat in.



Chad, by the way, you misread my statement above about the $33,000 in service work, I said I spent at least TWICE that to drive my 84 Spirit 6 years and 80k+ miles. I did about 1/3 of the work in my own repair shop and the other 2/3 I had done at my favorite RR dealer. It's not cheap and anyone who thinks owning and driving one is easy should try one.

Holy shit. I don't think I'll ever go down that route now. Ever. What makes it so expensive....is it the parts or the amount of specialty labor to do the work?



Being away from RR's for almost two years makes me feel like I've overcome an addiction. What a pleasure and high to own the ultimate luxury car but what a relief and freedom to not have all the expense and hassle. :)

That is exactly how I feel about the S-Class.

96Fleetwood
01-02-10, 02:49 PM
People who know what the best is will always own a Rolls-Royce or Bentley.

Hmmmmm, I thought my parents '96 Bentley Turbo R didn't come close to their '98 Mercedes S600. They had both cars at the same time... sure, the Bentley turned more heads.. but from a driver's perspective, the Mercedes is the car to have.

The Bentley is nice if you are sitting in the back seat, then you feel :cloud9:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/wmu37/turbor.jpg

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/wmu37/Picture347.jpg

My Father is car shopping again and is debating a 2008 Flying Spur vs. 2008 S65. One of the big issues: the closest Bentley dealership to Virginia Beach, VA is 3 hours away.

Stingroo
01-02-10, 03:01 PM
Eh.. I think the Bentley looks 100x better.

But really, I'd take that C6 from the garage first. :)

Bro-Ham
01-02-10, 03:23 PM
Chad, Big S-Class like you're talking about: 1992 500SEL, 1995 S420, and another 1995 S420.

I bought a 1992 500SEL in 1995 - I was a kid maybe a few years older than you. :) 1992 was the first year of the big body style S-Class like you had, yours being the last in 1999. I remember how awesome that car was - big, man was it BIG! And powerful! I loved it! White with light silver bottom and gray interior. I was in a serious crash new years day 1996, t-boned by a full size Jimmy that was going 60 as I went across the road at maybe 40 when it nailed me. I had a bruise on my left shoulder, passenger had a broken rib. The dude in the Jimmy broke his back and big toe... Says alot about how tough those grande Mercedes-Benzes are! Anyway, that car lasted 4 months before it was totalled. I ran a carfax maybe a year later and the car was rebuilt with a salvage title and it was back on the road! Amazing!!! I then owned two 1995 S420's within a few years after that 1992. One was a very rare teal color which was so cool looking on the S-Class and it was a custom order for the 1995 model year on that car. The other 1995 was black with gray interior. Both cars I bought with around 50k miles and ran them to about 90k. The teal 1995 had an extended warranty, thankfully, and I needed it because I had a million issues with it.

Compared to a RR there is no comparison. The Mercedes is a mass produced car with molded plastic everywhere inside and out. The RR is a handcrafted car that looks and feels it. The Mercedes is more like an appliance and it's less like a being, like a RR is. The RR has such a fine and unique feel in the way you sit in it and the way it drives and also the way it makes you feel. I'd never drive a 92-99 S-Class over a 92-99 RR, ever, been there and done that, and the pain and expense of owning a RR outweighs the pain and expense of owning an every day S-Class. Driving a nice RR is like eating forbidden fruit in the garden of eden. Once you have the poison you'll want it again and again and again. Like breathing the fresh blossom filled air on a spring morning. :)

96Fleetwood
01-02-10, 03:41 PM
Compared to a RR there is no comparison. The Mercedes is a mass produced car with molded plastic everywhere inside and out. The RR is a handcrafted car that looks and feels it.

Hand crafted ...yes... with wood door panels that crack at just 28K miles (and alpine stereo/cd player that would look good in a Camaro, and hydraulic suspension from hell)! My parents sold their '96 Turbo R with 33K on it back in 2006 and the door panels already had stress cracks despite being garage kept. Their '98 S600 had 58K miles at that time and the interior was far more durable than the Bentley.. On another note.. why couldn't they put a floor shift in the Silver Spur!?!?.. that always made the RR interior look archaic. The contrasting piping, thick floor mats, and umbrella in the trunk may look snazzy, but altogether they were very quirky automobiles. My Mother hated the Bentley with a passion and would make an effort to drive anything in the garage except the Bentley... even if it meant stooping low and getting in the '06 Corvette Z06 :highfive: In my opinion, if you want to be driven around in the back seat... a RR/Bentley from that era is better than a S-class or 7 series. If you want a everyday driver that has modern technology and performance, then look elsewhere.

If you want that 90s British feel... save the $$ and buy a XJ8 Vanden Plas from that era.

Bro-Ham
01-02-10, 04:00 PM
Cracks in the wood are the complaint? That gives it character! :)

Bro-Ham
01-02-10, 04:29 PM
I guess if someone wants a Jaguar over a Bentley then they should have at it! I'd never do it! If you're going to drive a junky British car then you might as well drive the ultimate junky British car! Why settle for anything less?!

96Fleetwood
01-02-10, 04:52 PM
I don't think RR/Bentley are junky by any means! It is simply my opinion that the pre- 99/00 models did not make good daily drivers. The introduction of the Silver Seraph and Arnage did make the sales numbers jump because these models were more user friendly. The Maybach and AMG models really had competiton with the introduction of the Phantom and Flying Spur.


It is neat to see the RR/Bentley influence in the Jaguars though:

http://i.ebayimg.com/20/!!fiPBwg!mE~$(KGrHqMOKj8Esv!+K3LFBLOk!tPO2g~~_4.JP G


http://i.ebayimg.com/07/!Bi,-BNg!Wk~$(KGrHqMOKjsEsm1T2mL-BLO4,D4SVQ~~_3.JPG

Bro-Ham
01-02-10, 05:45 PM
It depends on what you mean by user friendly. What's so user friendly about a Silver Seraph or Arnage compared to a Silver Spur or Turbo R? The 2000+ models with their navi controlled by a confusing handheld remote? Let's see, seat switches are the same, climate control is more confusing in the Seraph/Arnage, and the 6.75 liter V8 is SHOEHORNED into the Arnage and fits comfortably in the Spur/Turbo R. Plus, the Spur and Turbo R are larger and more imposing. Plus have the boxy iconic 1980's RR shape. I love them although for some they are an acquired taste. Then again, I enjoy driving a yellow 79 Cadillac too.

By the way, I had a 99 Jag Vanden Plas that I purchased while still under warranty, thank GOD, since the engine had to be replaced shortly after acquiring it for a common internal lubrication problem - I wasn't the only one, my car had about 45k miles! I had confidence in my new engine and kept the Jag for a couple more years and then the tranny hatched at about 75k miles. That one was out of my pocket - fifty five hundred dollars - that's Rolls-Royce fixin' money and in hindsight I would have rather been rolling a 1980's or 90's Roller every day and in those cars at least the bullet proof GM TH-400 transmission rarely fails and if it does that's at least one cheap thing that can be fixed. :)

Bro-Ham
01-02-10, 05:52 PM
ONe thing I keep thinking about through all this discussion is how much I enjoy my 79 Cadillac. It's fancy enough to go out on the town yet fits in just fine at the beach and anywhere in between. Maybe it's the outrageous yellow color. Or that it's so clean. Who knows?! Who cares!? I love it, I'm as content as can be driving it, and, in my current situation as a full time student and full time worker, it's a car that never (knock on wood) seems to break and always starts and stops and I couldn't ask for anything more right now. More than I can say about any Roller, Bentley, Mercedes, Jag or many other fab cars I've had. I love my RWD CAd! Ahhhh! Pleasure! :)

96Fleetwood
01-02-10, 06:57 PM
More than I can say about any Roller, Bentley, Mercedes, Jag or many other fab cars I've had. I love my RWD CAd! Ahhhh! Pleasure! :)

I agree with you there! I had my share of German cars... even dabbled with a 1998 XJ8 for 3 months... all of them were $$$ to maintain. My wife and I are trying to pay off our med school loans in the next 5 years, then we can afford to buy & maintain an exotic.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-02-10, 09:27 PM
Bro-Ham, just out of curiosity, how did the power of those Rolls Royces (6.75L, never quoted for HP) compare against the 425 in your '79?

Keeping maintenance and repair costs in mind, I wonder if the Rolls Royce would be cheaper to own than a contemporary V-8 Ferrari?

Bro-Ham
01-02-10, 10:27 PM
Chad, The 425 seems similar to an early 80's RR - you know you have a V8 but it won't snap your neck when you step on the gas. Get a 1990's RR, especially with the turbo, if you want to be quick. A 1987.5-1989 RR or Bentley will be fairly cheap to own, again, relatively speaking, if you want a driver RR or Bentley. A ferrari will break you quicker than a RR, especially if you want to actually drive it. Are you a divorced orthodontist who likes gold chains? :)

Aron9000
01-03-10, 01:01 AM
I guess if someone wants a Jaguar over a Bentley then they should have at it! I'd never do it! If you're going to drive a junky British car then you might as well drive the ultimate junky British car! Why settle for anything less?!

I laughed hard at that thanks:D

Bro-Ham
01-03-10, 05:38 PM
I laughed hard at that thanks:D

Well, the details on the Rollers up through the 1990's are classic yet over the top at the same time. We're blessed the Cadillacs we like so much, the rear drivers of the not so distant past, are a budget version of these great world class classics. We're lucky Cadillac was able to capture this essence of incredible luxury for so many years in leather-look plastic and fake wood in such long and lovely and bold automobiles! :) The Cadillacs of today so insanely follow the Germanic theme of underdressed luxury and alphaumeric say nothing names. Boooo!!! :) Oh, so boring!

One neat thing about the classic RWD Cadillacs (the FWBH's, the Fleet-Wood-Broug-Hams) is that they took this Rolls-Royce opulence and did it to the All-American EXTREME! These Cadillacs are fast becoming icons of a day in our national history when we were great and not afraid to express it, stand out, and strive for greatness! Oh I love these bold statements of American can-do!!! I've been an opponent of cash for clunkers which sought to destroy these great cars of our national heritage! If Cadillac ever regains the balls to make GREAT luxury cars again then the market will be theirs because people will thirst for them, like Chevrolet has done with the halo Camaro which is true to its roots. :)

So, in enjoying our classic rear drive luxury Cadillacs to the maximum, may I wish everyone who loves great cars the most happy of new years and hope for only the stand up best in years to come!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-03-10, 06:18 PM
Dave, Brandon Lemire says hello. :)

Stingroo
01-03-10, 06:58 PM
^ Who is that?

I find it super ironic that by googling the name, I found this

http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Brandon+LeMire

Bro-Ham
01-03-10, 11:29 PM
Dave, Brandon Lemire says hello. :)

Chad, He's the guy with the triple yellow 78 Eldo Biarritz for sale? Would you please ask him why there is a cover over the steering wheel in his Eldo? It sure is a neat car.

I looked at a 77 Eldo, non-Biarritz, about a month ago on a local lot here in Sarasota. Also triple yellow. Drove great and it had low mileage, I recall around 60k, and the dealer had it on the lot for $2,995. :) And I passed on it!! :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-04-10, 12:15 AM
Chad, He's the guy with the triple yellow 78 Eldo Biarritz for sale? Would you please ask him why there is a cover over the steering wheel in his Eldo? It sure is a neat car.

Yes, he's got the '78 Eldorado Biarritz for sale. I'll ask him next time I see him, next weekend. He also bought an '88 Caprice Classic from you as well.

jey
01-04-10, 11:13 PM
Back on the topic of dream RWD Cadillacs - this is probably not exactly the spirit of the question, but I do a lot of driving and would hate to rack up miles on a car that should instead be preserved so here what I would have:

SRX V8 w/ Performance Package for daily driving
CTS-V w/ LSA for track days

Bro-Ham
01-04-10, 11:48 PM
this is probably not exactly the spirit of the question, but I do a lot of driving and would hate to rack up miles on a car that should instead be preserved

Life's too short to preserve a car which is made for driving. Get out and enjoy your car and be happy! If you wear your car out or it disintegrates you can always find another one that was preserved by the folks who think their cars look better motionless in the garage. :)

kevinf
01-05-10, 11:16 AM
Life's too short to preserve a car which is made for driving. Get out and enjoy your car and be happy! If you wear your car out or it disintegrates you can always find another one that was preserved by the folks who think their cars look better motionless in the garage. :)

AMEN! I've put 80k on my 96 FWBH since I purchased it less than 4 years ago (at 90k). I love driving this car.

Bro-Ham
01-05-10, 12:02 PM
Go kevin!!! :) :) :) :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-05-10, 10:28 PM
I've put 54k miles on my Astro in the last 11 months. :)

Bro-Ham
01-05-10, 10:40 PM
Chad, I put 2,000 miles on my electric golf cart last year. :) Will you ever drive a Cadillac again?! Now you're driving an Astro?!

greencadillacmatt
01-05-10, 10:42 PM
Chad, I put 2,000 miles on my electric golf cart last year. :)

HOW BIG IS THAT BATTERY?!? :bonkers:

Bro-Ham
01-05-10, 10:47 PM
HOW BIG IS THAT BATTERY?!? :bonkers:

gcMatt, not all in one trip! :) It doesn't even have an odometer anyway. I'd bet my golf cart is more fun to drive than Chad's Astro. :)

greencadillacmatt
01-06-10, 12:24 AM
He he he, I didn't think it was all in one trip. That would be the coolest golf cart in history if it could...
(goes and draws up plans for lifetime golf cart batteries)

I haven't had the personal, um, joy(?) of driving a Chevy Astro van, but I have had the joy of having a golf cart crash into my DeVille's bumper.

Bro-Ham
01-06-10, 12:35 AM
gcMatt, Most people driving golf carts have had a few so no wonder. :)

robb257731
01-06-10, 09:07 AM
Personally, I'd love a 96 Fleetwood Brougham, and would REALLY LOVE a 1970 Deville convertible.

kevinf
01-06-10, 10:15 AM
I've put 54k miles on my Astro in the last 11 months. :)

I'm sorry! :ill:



:)

96Fleetwood
01-06-10, 12:14 PM
I miss my '96 Fleetwood Brougham... I might buy another one but this time I will keep it stock.

Bro-Ham
01-06-10, 03:12 PM
Last night I went to bed reading my 92 Cadillac brochure wondering if I'd do a box Brougham again. I just can't stop thinking about ECM's and ICU's and TBI's and AFS's and check engine lights and all the other hoo-hah that I don't have to hassle with in the older Cads. I've lately been having a late night fantasy about a diesel Cadillac for some reason. ;) Do the diesels have all the computers and check engine light? :)

77CDV
01-06-10, 04:40 PM
I don't think you can avoid them in the diesels. They're just too new to escape some form of computer management.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-11-10, 09:09 PM
Chad, I put 2,000 miles on my electric golf cart last year. :) Will you ever drive a Cadillac again?! Now you're driving an Astro?!

The Astro is my work vehicle. I'm a sales representative for an Automotive Chemicals company (BG), and the vehicle is owned by the company, so it's not mine.



I'd bet my golf cart is more fun to drive than Chad's Astro. :)

Probably, but you gotta see the Astro go through the snow (when the 4WD is working). It just eats it up.


I just can't stop thinking about ECM's and ICU's and TBI's and AFS's and check engine lights and all the other hoo-hah that I don't have to hassle with in the older Cads.

Does your '79 not have any sort of a check engine light? That's insane!

Bro-Ham
01-11-10, 09:45 PM
Does your '79 not have any sort of a check engine light? That's insane!

Chad, No check engine light, no computers. Turn the key and go. That's the beauty of the 425 w/carb. No BS. Just fun! :)

Aron9000
01-11-10, 11:43 PM
Chad, No check engine light, no computers. Turn the key and go. That's the beauty of the 425 w/carb. No BS. Just fun! :)

All of my cars have been fuel injected. IMO its pretty damn simple to plug a paper clip into the diagnostic port and count the flashes for a code. The code tells you what part to replace, go to the parts store, buy part, replace part, good to go.

Its just whatever you're used to, I would have no idea on how to fix a carburated car that's running like crap.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-12-10, 12:21 AM
Chad, No check engine light, no computers. Turn the key and go. That's the beauty of the 425 w/carb. No BS. Just fun! :)

Well yeah, but if there's a drivability issue....how do you diagnose it?

77CDV
01-12-10, 02:58 AM
Experience coupled with a basic knowledge of how a car works. Service manuals are quite helpful, too. But, yeah, when the 77 or the 69 aren't running right, I have to listen to the car, feel and hear what it's doing, compare it in my mind to how I know the car is supposed to be, and then work the problem from the possible choices. You learn to use Occam's Razor real fast.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-12-10, 07:59 AM
So it's kind of one of those things where you've gotta have a lot of good carburetor experience before you own the car? Or you take it somewhere that knows carburetors (which are getting harder to find) and have them deal with it.

Bro-Ham
01-12-10, 12:07 PM
If you're worried about a carb problem just replace the carb otherwise, believe it or not, there are still businesses that rebuild them.

I put a rebuilt carb on my 79 about a week after I bought it back in 2005 along with a new alternator, radiator, belts, hoses, water pump, heater core, etc. I wanted the car to start and stop every time I chose to drive it, especially on the many long trips I take, and it and it has done exactly that. The car has gone from 61k miles back then to 92k miles now. No mechanical problems so far. The opti-spark has caused me no problems, the TBI hasn't gone "wonky" on me, the ECM hasn't failed, the computer dash or electronic climate control hasn't acted up, and, let's see, yeah, I forgot, as I said above, the check engine light has never come on - WAIT - my car has none of this stuff! I know I'm being a smart ass. :)

Right now I drive my 79 every day, rain or shine, it's my only car. I have been averaging 1,000+ miles per month in the past 8 months I've been using it regularly. The biggest faults I've had to deal with are a climate control relay that has failed twice in 5 years, the wipers work strangely in hot weather, the twilight sentinel is currently on the fritz, and one of my frost plugs is slightly damp. The first problem was easy to fix, the other three aren't bothering me enough to deal with yet.

Sorry, I don't have much to contribute to mechanical talk with my 79 these days in this forum because it hasn't broken. You should have seen me 5 years ago on the forum when I was being tortured by my 81 Fleetwood Brougham Coupe V8-6-4!! :) Before most of the 425 cars were driven to death they were regarded as extremely tough and reliable automobiles by those who used them day after day. I know, the 425 cars are gas guzzlers, but they work pretty much unfailingly. There aren't many of them left these days for folks to try for themselves to see what they're all about. There is a difference between the 77-79/80 cars and the newer electronics filled Chevrolet Cadillacs that are mostly driven by folks who are talkers in our forum.

Before some may think I'm talking from my rear end, I owned a 1990 Brougham d'Elegance, had to try one for the hell of it. This was about 2001 or 2002. The car was a creampuff, and had only 67k miles when I acquired it. I quickly determined the car wasn't my cup of tea and it only lasted a month before I peddled it. During this month the digital dash started to malfunction which, if you guys are complaining about finding someone to fix your carb - try finding the dude who fixes the digital displays in these cars when they peter out! :) Anyway, I felt the car had a harsh ride, it was 350/trailer tow package equipped, and, I felt the 350 was quick off the line but coarse compared to the velvet smooth and quiet Cadillacs I'm used to driving. A 425 won't snap your neck but it is a magic carpet. :) So, I've been there, done that. A good friend has a 93 Fleetwood Brougham and I just can't get used to that 7 mile long dash! :) There are times when I desire dual power recliners and digital climate control but I'm not willing to own the rest of the newer Cadillacs these features typically come with. Even when I think about how much fun a diesel Cadillac might be I eventually come to my senses. I'll always seek out and drive a 425 Cad if I'm looking for an every day driver.

OK, that's my 3 cents worth. :)

Time takes care of old cars as people use them up. Be thankful there are still big Cadillacs for us to enjoy because obama and the democrats would destroy them all if they thought they could get away with it, spending our hard earned tax dollars to do it.

So, fellow enthusiasts, enthuse away about whatever Cadillac you're fortunate enough to drive, enjoy, and/or appreciate! :)

77CDV
01-12-10, 02:42 PM
So it's kind of one of those things where you've gotta have a lot of good carburetor experience before you own the car? Or you take it somewhere that knows carburetors (which are getting harder to find) and have them deal with it.

Thing is, the Q-Jet is a mechanical device. If it's acting up, you can see what's wrong. Things are bent or disconnected. You can visually identify the problem. With computers, there's nothing to see. One computer talks to another and you just go with whatever they agree is wrong with the car. With a FSM in hand, and a general knowlege of what carbs do and how they work, you, too, could rebuild a Q-Jet. It all depends on how much time you want to spend on the car. I don't have oodles of time, and what I do have I want to spend driving the car, so I retain the services of a good mechanic and pay him accordingly, because it's worth it to me. If I had unlimited time (and a good deal more space), I'd be game for trying the DIY route.

But think for a moment. What can a new car do that a fully loaded 1979 FWB (sans EFI) can't? OK, you'd probably swap out the sound system for something new, but just think. You get power windows, locks, seats, brakes, steering, automatic lights, cruise control, delay wipers, exterior temperature reading, automatic climate control, rear window defogger, power antenna, dual side view mirrors, tilt/telescope wheel, the coolest-sounding horn on the road this side of a Kenworth, remote trunk release with power pull-down, illuminated entry, alarm, automatic rear leveling, automatic door locks. Everything is electric or mechanical (with some basic electronics) and powered by a none-too-efficient but dead reliable 425 ci V8 and a nearly-indestructible THM 400 transmission. All in a classic, classy looking package that kicks ass over anything creeping out of dealer showrooms today.

Older cars and their attendant yestertech are nothing to be afraid of. Given a little time and experience, anybody with opposable thumbs and at least average intelligence can work on them. And I mean work on them, really get into the heart and guts of them. Much more satisfying than "remove and replace unit X". It's this loss of connection to the cars we drive that's leading to most younger people thinking of cars are rolling iPods, if they think about them at all.

Thus endeth today's sermonette. :preach:

Stingroo
01-12-10, 03:17 PM
"Yea and Craig said to the Cadillac; 'You shall drive me in style' and it was done."

*bows his head and prays*

77CDV
01-12-10, 06:41 PM
Verily and amen, Brother Roo.

Bro-Ham
01-12-10, 09:38 PM
I can just see you guys praying at the chrome front bumper alter under the all holy Cadillac crest. :) These cars are a religion! :)

greencadillacmatt
01-12-10, 10:13 PM
"You Shall Drive It, And It Was Good."

I couldn't agree with you more, Craig.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-14-10, 12:18 AM
Dave, do you see a 472 or 500 powered Cadillac in your future?

Bro-Ham
01-14-10, 05:33 PM
Had a 76 Fleetwood a few years ago and loved it. Maybe a 75 or 76 Sedan deVille since I love hardtops. Right now I realistically see the 79 I currently drive in my future for at least the next couple of years. We shall see! :)

brougham_geezer
01-18-10, 11:35 PM
Finally put a (pretty much) comprehensive list together of some cars I am always dreaming about. Please note that I'll take all the muscle cars with manual transmissions and largest possible motors. All cars would be non-AC, non-power seats/windows/locks if possible... but I will take any heavy-duty cooling/suspension/drivetrain options as well as factory CB's, mirror thermometers and moon/astro/sunroofs where available. :worship:

-----------General Motors---------------
1971-1972 Buick Riviera (prefer GS)
1985-'86 Parisienne/Parisienne (Brougham)
1980 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham Coupe/Sedan, Coupe/Sedan deVille
1977-'79 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham, Coupe/Sedan deVille
1976 Fleetwood Talisman
1976 Cadillac Coupe deVille & Calais Coupe
1974 Buick Electra 225 (2dr ht)
1972 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency (Olds 75th Anniv. Tiffany Edition) (2 or 4 dr)
1971-'72 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser Wagon
1975 Pontiac Safari Wagon
1975-'76 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight (4 dr ht)
1971-'72 Cadillac Coupe deVille & Calais Coupe
1981 Parisienne / Bonneville Brougham Sport (2dr)
1977-'79 Parisienne/Bonneville (2 or 4dr)
1977-'79 Buick Electra (2 or 4dr)
1980-'84 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency (2dr and 4dr)
1977 Chevrolet Caprice Classic Landau (2dr with aero rear window)
1976 Chevrolet Caprice Classic Landau (2dr with body colour hubcaps)
1975-'76 Buick Electra Limited (Park Avenue)
1974-'76 Buick Estate Wagon
1975 GMC "Gentleman Jim"
1975 GMC "Beau James"
1973-'79 GMC Sierra
1973-'79 GMC Suburban
1973-'79 GMC Jimmy
1959 Cadillac (2 dr ht or conv)
1959 Cadillac Hearse
1960 Cadillac (2 dr ht or conv)
1964 Cadillac (2 dr ht)
1967-'70 Cadillac Eldorado
1975-'78 Cadillac Eldorado (Conv. and HT)
1965-'66 Cadillac (2 dr ht or conv.)
1958 Buick (2 dr ht)
1958 Oldsmobile (2 dr ht)
1958 Pontiac (2 dr ht or conv.)
1958 Chevrolet (dr ht)
1959 Buick (2 dr ht)
1957 Cadillac (2 dr ht)
1950 Cadillac
1971 Cadillac Hearse
1976 Cadillac Hearse (Centennial Edition by S&S)
1977-'78 Pontiac Firebird Esprit (Sky Bird)
Cadillac Ambulances (Any Year)
1996 Chevrolet Caprice 9C1 (White w/ Police wheels)
1996 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham (Astroroof, leather)
1962 Pontiac Catalina (SD 421)
1970 Chevrolet Chevelle (LS6 454)
1970 Buick GSX (GS 455 Sage 1)
1969 Pontiac GTO Judge
1969 Hurst/Olds
1972 Hurst/Olds (HT w/ Sunroof)
1968 Hurst/Olds
1975-'78 Oldsmobile Toronado (XS)
1995-'03 Oldsmobile Aurora
1995-'99 Buick Riviera
1996 Buick Roadmaster ("Collector's Edition" Sedan & Wagon)
1976-'77 GMC Sprint
1976-'77 Oldsmobile Cutlass (2 dr)
1973-'75 Buick Regal (2 dr)
1973-'77 Pontiac Le Mans (2 dr)
1976-'77 Pontiac Grand Prix
1975-'76 Pontiac Grand Ville or Bonneville (2 dr ht or conv.)
1971-'72 Pontiac Grand Ville or Bonneville (2 dr ht or conv.)
1969 Chevrolet Impala or Caprice (2 dr ht)
1972 Chevrolet Impala or Caprice (2 dr ht)
1965 Chevrolet Impala SS
1965 Pontiac GTO
1959 Chevrolet El Camino
1959 Chevrolet Impala (2 dr ht or conv.)
1996 Chevrolet Impala SS (Black)
1971-'72 Cadillac Fleetwood Series 75 (Black, Formal)
1976 Cadillac Fleetwood Series 75 (Black, Formal)

--------------Chrysler Corp.-----------------
1972-'73 Imperial Lebaron (2dr ht)
1970 Plymouth Sport Fury GT
1972-'75 Winnebago Indian and Brave Motorhomes
1957 De Soto (2 dr ht)
1957-'60 Dodge Royal Lancer (2 dr ht or conv.)
1966-'67 Dodge Charger
1969 Dodge Super Bee (plain steel wheels, no hubcaps)
1957-'58 Plymouth Fury
1970 Chrysler 300 Hurst
1961 Chrysler 300 (2 dr ht or conv.)
1957-'60 Imperial (2 dr ht or conv)
1974-'75 Imperial (2 dr ht)
Or
1976-'78 Chrysler New Yorker Brougham (2 dr ht)

--------Fo. Mo. Co.---------------------------
1972-'76 Lincoln Continental MK IV
1977-'79 Lincoln Continental MK V

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-18-10, 11:46 PM
What are the '75 Gentleman James and Beau Jim GMC's?

brougham_geezer
01-19-10, 12:28 AM
What are the '75 Gentleman James and Beau Jim GMC's?

Good question! I'd say they're the most obscure, outlandish, old-manish, cornball trucks ever made. Limited production, factory special trim packages for 1975 GMC trucks, with special paint and wheel-colors, decals, floormats etc. The Gentleman Jim had a 350 small block, while the Beau James was available with 454 power. Beau James was actually 3/4 ton truck fram with 1500 series suspension, giving it a luxurious ride. More information on them can be found here:

http://home.netcom.com/~rvtucker/beaujame.html

and here:

http://www.chuckschevytruckpages.com/models.html

Brochures:

http://www.73-87.com/Special_Editions/Gentleman_Jim.htm

http://www.73-87.com/Special_Editions/Beau_James.htm

Beau James:
http://www.73-87.com/Special_Editions/factory_trucks/Beau_James/beaujames3.jpg

Gentleman Jim:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2623/4036956994_709c685359_b.jpg

The '73-'79 GM pickups are my favorite trucks of all time. I prefer the oddball GMC's... nothing is as carefree as the script used to spell out the models on the quarter panels on the GMC's! Since These trucks were perfectly styled and available in many quirky colors, and trim levels. I really like any vehicle with interesting factory special editions, and obscure badging/emblems. My brother's friend owns one of the obscure factory-built 1976 Canadian Olympic editions: http://www.73-87.com/Special_Editions/Olympic.htm


And see what I mean about most fun script ever used on a vehicle:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/70/165501129_60903569eb.jpg
http://chevytruckworld.tenmagazines.com/gallery/TexasJeff/270260.jpg

brougham_geezer
01-19-10, 12:35 AM
and...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2195/2430545752_314013bdc9.jpg?v=0
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1225/6179662/21313652/367539864.jpg

Hard to find more than that... like I said: obscure.

Aron9000
01-19-10, 12:43 AM
So we have the Gentleman James and Beau Jim specials . . . .

All we need now is the Jack Daniels version, black with white accents:drink2:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-19-10, 08:03 AM
Those '70s GMC's were really something else. I like the Gentleman Jim much more, but I like how the Beau James could get the 454.

Bro-Ham
01-19-10, 08:48 AM
I like the Beau! Before these luxury and special versions, pickups were basic three-on-the-tree, bench seats, rubber floor, even the heaters were optional. These old time GMC special editions were the beginning of people thinking of pickups the same way they thought of cars - as every day transportation and not just for hauling a hay bales.

I also like the list of cars; 80-81 Pontiac Bonneville (Parisienne back in those days for the Canadians) are pretty neat looking cars. I also like the 80-84 Park Avenue Coupes and 98 Regency Coupes. Pontiac ditched their full size Bonneville/Catalina after 1981 and the G-body Pontiac Bonneville "Model G" replaced them in 1982, which was the Grand Lemans from the previous year with the Grand Prix Brougham interior and this model stayed around until the fwd replacement in 1987. Meanwhile, Pontiac realized they missed the boat, GM was getting good at this in the early 1980's, and they brought back the full size car but the Canadian named Parisienne was what came to the U.S. and it was simply a Caprice with lower 2-tone paint and different grille and tail lights plus either the Caprice Special Custom interior or, as I recall, the Delta 88 Royale Brougham interior. By 1985 Pontiac had its 1980-81 sheet metal from the front doors back but still the caprice front with the Pontiac grille - the real positive was the 1980-81 Bonneville Brougham interior returned which as quite sexy. :) GM could sure style up some sexy dream machines through about the very early 1980's and I pray we continue to see them do this again! :)

Stingroo
01-19-10, 11:00 AM
I like those trucks too... best part? THEY HAVE HOOD ORNAMENTS!

Take that, Chad. :D

Bro-Ham
01-19-10, 02:25 PM
One more GMC from the 1970's that I like is the classic 1973-78 GMC factory motorhome. Talk about over the top! Brougham Geez, what do you think of those big and unique GMC's? I love them. The Palm Beach, Eleganza, Kingsley, Glenbrook, Canyon Lands... Some of the coolest styling and fantastic interiors I've ever seen! PLUS, starting in 1974 and all the way through 1978 they use the 1974-76 style 3-spoke Cadillac steering wheel - my most favorite of ALL time! :)

brougham_geezer
01-19-10, 02:58 PM
Bro-Ham: I'm with you on those factory motorhomes. Their interiors are of a higher calibre and look more "together" than the Winnebagos for instance. I imagine this has to do with the factory-built assembly and a wide selection of bits from the GM division parts bins. I too noticed the Caddy steering wheel minus crest! No mistaking it.

Another interesting fact about those Eleganza etc. is that those monsters are front-wheel drive and powered by Oldsmobile "455 Rocket" motors. My cousin had a little '70s Hotwheels of an orange GMC motorhome while growing up... I always wanted it because it said "GMC" on the botom! I was above stealing it though. :halo:

Stingroo
01-19-10, 02:59 PM
Yay for orange motorhome! That would be awesome in real life.

Bro-Ham
01-19-10, 03:06 PM
They did make them in orange although I only recall those in 73 and 74. The Palm Beach with the beautiful lime green exterior and green plaid seats is my favorite. :) I love the lime! Some very cool vehicles.

Here's a website from a dealer who sells these beauties:

http://www.bethunesales.com/listings/index.html

HAZZARDJOHN
01-19-10, 03:31 PM
Remember the one in stripes? LOL The "urban Assault Vehicle" .

I have a good friend that has one, he paid 14K for it and it gets 12 MPG (not bad for something that big) with the 403 under the hood. His only complaint is that for a motor home that size he wouldn't tow anything bigger than a small fishing boat with it.

~HJ

sven914
01-19-10, 03:33 PM
My favorite pickup is the '81-'87 Chevrolet "C" (or two wheel drive) Custom Deluxe.

The Custom Deluxe is a monument to simplicity; the base model. Standard features included manual door locks and windows, rubber floor mats, vinyl seats, and no head liner, no radio, no air conditioning, no tilt steering, no cruise control, and no option to upgrade. If you upgraded to the fancy Scottsdale all's you got was more chrome trim. It wasn't until you paid the big bucks for the "look at me, I can thumb my nose at you poor f**kers" Cheyenne that you got carpeting and a headliner.

My friend in high school had an '82 Custom Deluxe, fire engine red, that he called Jenny Rose. She came from the factory with a 6.2/379 Detroit Diesel. He loved that truck, but drove it into the ground... literally.

http://rednecktrucks.tripod.com/pjb/86chevy/fl.jpg

Bro-Ham
01-19-10, 03:53 PM
Sven, The Chevy pickup truck line back then actually had FOUR trim levels. Custom Deluxe, Scottsdale, Cheyenne, and Silverado. Silverado was the highest trim level.

sven914
01-19-10, 04:54 PM
Sven, The Chevy pickup truck line back then actually had FOUR trim levels. Custom Deluxe, Scottsdale, Cheyenne, and Silverado. Silverado was the highest trim level.

Actually the Cheyenne Supper was the highest level (wood interior accents, more chrome, tilt wheel, power doors/windows, and the option of cruise control) until the Silverado replaced it (they thought it was redundant).

Bro-Ham
01-19-10, 05:09 PM
Sven, You're dead wrong. The Silverado was the top Chevy pickup model starting in the 1970's. You said starting in 1981 above - the Silverado had already been in production along with the lower Cheyenne. :)

sven914
01-19-10, 05:30 PM
1981 was when Chevrolet did the face lift on the C/K. But they were still third generation trucks. The third generation was '73-'87. The Silverado didn't replace the Cheyenne Super until 1975. The Cheyenne Super started the generation, and the Silverado did do nothing but replace it, so calling a '76+ Silverado a Cheyenne Super is no difference than when people on the forum call an '87-'92 Brougham a Fleetwood Brougham.

Besides... My original post didn't deny the existence the of another trim level, it just failed (for the sake of redundancy) to recognize it.

Bro-Ham
01-19-10, 06:26 PM
Sven, The only problem with your logic is you're probably the only person who ever heard of a Cheyenne "Super." :) Everyone knows the top model Silverado which is why Chevy eventually renamed the full size pickup Silverado.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-19-10, 07:34 PM
Actually Dave, there was a Cheyenne Super.
http://www.73-87.com/7387info/Road_Test_7380.htm
3rd article from top.

Bro-Ham
01-19-10, 08:25 PM
Actually Dave, there was a Cheyenne Super.
http://www.73-87.com/7387info/Road_Test_7380.htm
3rd article from top.

Chad, I didn't say there wasn't a Cheyenne Super. I'd never heard of the two funky GMC special editions either. Our discourse has Sven saying that in a mere two years, apparently only the first two of the 1973-87 Chev pickup body style, that the Cheyenne Super model was, according to Sven, so popular/well known/highly coveted (take your pick), that it was synonymous with or somehow overshadowed the Silverado model which replaced it despite that the Silverado was the top Pickup model for 12+ of those model years up until the end of that style in 1987. I was a young car enthusiast back in the 1970's and I sure didn't know the top Chev pickup model to be anything other than the Silverado and the second model down was the Cheyenne as I stated earlier if you'd bother to read it. :)

sven914
01-19-10, 08:45 PM
^I didn't say that, you said that... I stopped talking trim at the Cheyenne. You wanted to talk about the Silverado, and I just mentioned the fact that the Cheyenne Super came first. You want to keep talking about how high and mighty the Silverado was, and I wasn't even talking about it in the first place.

HAZZARDJOHN
01-19-10, 08:53 PM
Nice But I will take my 77 GMC with a 250 and a 3 on the tree! LOL I don't care that it was slow, it was the best truck ever made.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b55/Johnny1107/GMC/driftin.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b55/Johnny1107/GMC/PA070196.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b55/Johnny1107/GMC/PA050195.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b55/Johnny1107/GMC/PA050193.jpg

^ Man I miss that truck! I will own another someday soon.

Bro-Ham
01-19-10, 09:27 PM
John, The 3 on the tree was the all American pickup! :) Those sixes ran forever! Where are new trucks like this?!

Sven, Here's the deal: by the late 1970's/early 80's the Cheyenne and Scottsdale Chev pickup models were about as popular and well known as the Cadillac Calais was. Custom Deluxe was the work truck and Silverado was the fancy truck people increasingly wanted and bought for big $$$ and knew. There was no referring to the Silverado as the Cheyenne Super as you suggested with your Brougham/Fleetwood Brougham analysis. I think you need to drink more... :)

I found a yellow, of course, 77 Fleetwood Brougham on ebay tonight. Ad says 48k actual miles and one owner. Here in Florida. I'm tempted to take a look. LOVE those color keyed wheel covers, 4-wheel disc brakes, and rear seat footrests. I'm tempted to head to the other coast, have cocktails at my favorite original 1950's cocktail lounge - Mai Kai, and take that lovely looking boat out for a spin. As they say on the lottery commercial: it could happen! :)

greencadillacmatt
01-19-10, 10:20 PM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b55/Johnny1107/GMC/driftin.jpg

Is that a frozen lake?!? Looks like you were having a blast on it. :burn: I've always wanted something with an inline 6. Nice Truck!

orconn
01-20-10, 12:13 AM
^^^ I drove several Rolls and Bentleys over the years with an intention of buying one, but each time came to the same conclusion as 96Fleetwood. They are great furniture to be driven in but really not great cars to drive. The cost of ownership put most any other cars within reach and since I preferred to drive myself the other cars always won out. For anyone considering a Rolls purchase 96Fleetwoods advice is on the money. If you just have to have the Rolls experience go to Beverly Hills and rent one for a week and at the end of the week if it is still worth it to you, by all means take the plunge!

HAZZARDJOHN
01-20-10, 09:34 AM
Is that a frozen lake?!? Looks like you were having a blast on it. :burn: I've always wanted something with an inline 6. Nice Truck!

Yep that is a Frozen lake. A few of my Buddy's from a truck club here in MN have a meet on a Frozen lake every year in January (its actually this saturday for this year). I was practicing my inline six drifting there! Its a lot tougher than it looks! :thepan:

Bro-Ham
01-20-10, 09:43 AM
orconn, You're giving the best reason of all to own a Rolls-Royce - driving it in Beverly Hills! I lived there for a short time in 2002 and had my RR with me. For example, glide your way into the Beverly Hills Hotel - the valets treat you like a king, and when you are finished enjoying cocktails in the Polo Lounge you'll find your gleaming RR is positioned right in front, along with an exclusive group of other distinguished RR's, they only seem to park RR's in front, and you'll know that there can be no better luxury automotive excitement possible in life! :) Pull up in your Cadillac at the same place and you can walk by the RR's in front and watch as your Cadillac disappears never to be seen again until you come back for it. :) Glide the streets of Beverly Hills in your RR; Rodeo, Wilshire, Olympic, and you'll know you're in the RR's natural habaitat and you'll feel as though you're on drugs with the velvet smooth ride of the car as you toddle along taking your time to absorb the beauty of the area and how good it looks from behind the wheel in your throne-like lofty driving position, deep mirror like paint shining on the long hood in front of you as the spirit of ecstasy leads the way on top of the impressive hand made parthenon grille all the while inhaling the scent of the finest leather and highest quality wool carpeting complete with baby soft thick lambswool rugs which you'll no doubt have removed your shoes to bury your bare feet in to sooth your senses. A RR is the correct car to drive in certain environments and Beverly Hills is one of them. I found a RR was a great car to drive any time, any place. Short trip or long. Try one but be prepared for the addiction! :)

If you are determined to hate a RR, then, like anything, it can be done. Find a well worn ratty Silver Shadow and go to east L.A. and, as the car breaks down on you and you're fighting for your life to survive until AAA comes, you'll possibly wish for your Cadillac or any car with a friendly face to come and whisk you away.

There is no comparison when you own a RR compared to a Cadillac. :)

csbuckn
01-20-10, 09:58 AM
Hazzard, what lake do yall drive on? Are Cadillacs aloud?

HAZZARDJOHN
01-20-10, 10:11 AM
Hazzard, what lake do yall drive on? Are Cadillacs aloud?

Sure, anything is allowed. It is on Round lake in andover. saturday at 3 pm. We meet on the Round lake BLVD side of the lake.

~HJ

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-20-10, 06:10 PM
Are you guys doing that this weekend? Hmmm... I know some guys with Town Cars that might be interested...

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-20-10, 06:20 PM
I like those trucks too... best part? THEY HAVE HOOD ORNAMENTS!

Take that, Chad. :D


Love the fact that these had hood ornaments. More trucks should have hood ornaments. :)


One more GMC from the 1970's that I like is the classic 1973-78 GMC factory motorhome. Talk about over the top! Brougham Geez, what do you think of those big and unique GMC's? I love them. The Palm Beach, Eleganza, Kingsley, Glenbrook, Canyon Lands... Some of the coolest styling and fantastic interiors I've ever seen! PLUS, starting in 1974 and all the way through 1978 they use the 1974-76 style 3-spoke Cadillac steering wheel - my most favorite of ALL time! :)

Those are cool in a very weird '70s way, not sure if it's because it's FWD or powered by the Olds 455, or because they look so different and unique. There's actually a shop in Rochester that seems to "specialize" in working on these (they had three in their shop at once), but they absolutely hate working on them because they're so backwords.

I think they're cool as hell though. :)


orconn, You're giving the best reason of all to own a Rolls-Royce - driving it in Beverly Hills! I lived there for a short time in 2002 and had my RR with me. For example, glide your way into the Beverly Hills Hotel - the valets treat you like a king, and when you are finished enjoying cocktails in the Polo Lounge you'll find your gleaming RR is positioned right in front, along with an exclusive group of other distinguished RR's, they only seem to park RR's in front, and you'll know that there can be no better luxury automotive excitement possible in life! :) Pull up in your Cadillac at the same place and you can walk by the RR's in front and watch as your Cadillac disappears never to be seen again until you come back for it. :) Glide the streets of Beverly Hills in your RR; Rodeo, Wilshire, Olympic, and you'll know you're in the RR's natural habaitat and you'll feel as though you're on drugs with the velvet smooth ride of the car as you toddle along taking your time to absorb the beauty of the area and how good it looks from behind the wheel in your throne-like lofty driving position, deep mirror like paint shining on the long hood in front of you as the spirit of ecstasy leads the way on top of the impressive hand made parthenon grille all the while inhaling the scent of the finest leather and highest quality wool carpeting complete with baby soft thick lambswool rugs which you'll no doubt have removed your shoes to bury your bare feet in to sooth your senses.

You should write copy for advertisements. Have you ever owned a Bentley?

Bro-Ham
01-20-10, 06:54 PM
You should write copy for advertisements. Have you ever owned a Bentley?

Hi Chad, Yes, one Bentley, a 1989 Turbo R, owned it back in 1998 and it was a 38k mile beauty that I regret selling. I also had more than a few RR's so I qualify for a purple heart - in the order I owned them: 86 Silver Spirit, 80 Silver Shadow II, 84 Silver Spirit, 80 Silver Shadow II, 91 Silver Spur II. It's been nearly 3 years since I've had one and I'm over the withdrawal...but I still love them! :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-20-10, 07:23 PM
Do you like the firmer/sportier ride of the Bentley's more or the more isolated/soft ride of the Rollers?

Bro-Ham
01-20-10, 07:39 PM
Chad, I love them both. The Bentley with the turbo V8 and performance suspension and tires was oohhhhh so much fun! I would have one again in a minute because they drive so well! The Rollers are personal parade floats and the last one I had, the 1991 Spur II, had the electronic ride control which firmed up when cornering and had the classic boulevard ride when cruising. I like the appearance of the Rolls with the brightwork and jewelry. Rolls-Royce made a model called the Flying Spur, not to be confused with the current Bentley model, anyway, the RR Flying Spur was a 1995 limited production model which was basically a long wheelbase Turbo R with RR trim. :) There is something to be said about a burly and big turbo V8 in a commandingly substantial car!!

sven914
01-22-10, 06:02 PM
I suppose another vehicle I could add to my list of things I've always wanted is an early '70's F-Series. But the truck has to have been abused and neglected and barely running for me to want it, and I ain't fixing it either.

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2007/12/71_F100_LH_Frt.jpg
http://www.bobbittville.com/FordF100-1972JamesJohnson.jpg

Why? some of you might ask... Well it's because some things just look appropriate.

csbuckn
01-22-10, 08:15 PM
those ford trucks ran great. from the 70s to the 90s. If it wasnt beat up, you didnt need it in the first place

Bro-Ham
01-22-10, 09:23 PM
When I was a weeee little tot my Daddy had a 69 F100. It was a top of the line powder blue with black vinyl roof (seriously!) with blue plaid cloth with vinyl trim bench seat, small V8 and three on the tree. I can remember when we drove in it Dad let me shift the gears when I sat next to him! :) It was a classic and we mostly used it in the winter for hauling fire wood that we cut from dried dead oak trees downed in a tornado that had gone through ten or so years earlier on the family farm a few miles south of our house. We split the wood ourselves and stacked it in neat berms in back of the house and burned it in our two fireplaces which were lit on those cold deep winter Minnesota nights. The simplicity and rusticness of those romantically crackling and sizzling fires with the aromatic old world scents will always make me think fondly of all the cold winters of the north. That old Ford was a classic and the heater always worked to keep us going as we did our work. The truck just sat outside and always started and when we shoveled it out - it was always stuck in snow - it was a classic old school winter time experience. I don't think we ever drove it in the summer. :) Today, with our energy efficient furnaces and weather sealed houses, it takes half the fun out of how much fun life can really be. :)

HUF
01-23-10, 12:06 AM
When I was a weeee little tot my Daddy had a 69 F100. It was a top of the line powder blue with black vinyl roof (seriously!) with blue plaid cloth with vinyl trim bench seat, small V8 and three on the tree. I can remember when we drove in it Dad let me shift the gears when I sat next to him! :) It was a classic and we mostly used it in the winter for hauling fire wood that we cut from dried dead oak trees downed in a tornado that had gone through ten or so years earlier on the family farm a few miles south of our house. We split the wood ourselves and stacked it in neat berms in back of the house and burned it in our two fireplaces which were lit on those cold deep winter Minnesota nights. The simplicity and rusticness of those romantically crackling and sizzling fires with the aromatic old world scents will always make me think fondly of all the cold winters of the north. That old Ford was a classic and the heater always worked to keep us going as we did our work. The truck just sat outside and always started and when we shoveled it out - it was always stuck in snow - it was a classic old school winter time experience. I don't think we ever drove it in the summer. :) Today, with our energy efficient furnaces and weather sealed houses, it takes half the fun out of how much fun life can really be. :)
Bro-Ham, have you tried to write for Reade'rs Digest? Seriously, you have got talent!

Bro-Ham
01-23-10, 01:09 PM
HUF, I write for the Cadillac Forum! :) Enjoy!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-23-10, 01:23 PM
Check out this beast I saw down in Rochester, at a Honda dealer of all places!

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1330-1.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1332-1.jpg

Bro-Ham
01-23-10, 01:27 PM
That's a pefect size for a limo Chad - trade in the Regal! Do it! :) :) :)

Aron9000
01-23-10, 05:31 PM
Check out this beast I saw down in Rochester, at a Honda dealer of all places!

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1330-1.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j313/Chadillac8705/IMG_1332-1.jpg

Did they put bigger motors in the hearses and limos back then??? I can't imagine that thing would be able to pull a grade with a 307 under the hood.

HUF
01-23-10, 05:42 PM
HUF, I write for the Cadillac Forum! :) Enjoy!

:) Who cares of Reader's Digest when there is a Cadillac forum?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-23-10, 06:23 PM
Did they put bigger motors in the hearses and limos back then??? I can't imagine that thing would be able to pull a grade with a 307 under the hood.

Naw, the badge on the trunk says 5.0 Litre, just like any other '87-'88 Brougham.

sven914
01-23-10, 06:44 PM
^The 307 limos had the VIN 9 engine.

Bro-Ham
01-23-10, 07:41 PM
:) Who cares of Reader's Digest when there is a Cadillac forum?

Huf, sometimes I get on a roll when writing what comes to mind. I don't read Reader's Digest - are you kidding?! :) Listen, anyone can do whatever they want to do - especially after a few cocktails! :) :)

HAZZARDJOHN
01-23-10, 07:43 PM
Nothing a 472/500 swap couldn't fix. That is the reason I shy away from 1981-89 caddy's. 307's are fine and reliable, but man they are depressingly underpowered.

~HJ

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-23-10, 07:48 PM
Atleast the 307 isn't gonna turd in on you like the HT4100.

greencadillacmatt
01-23-10, 07:58 PM
At least the 307 isn't gonna turd in on you like the HT4100.

You can say that again. I would have LOVED a 307 in my '84 as opposed to the HT4100. Should have been that way from the factory all along.

HAZZARDJOHN
01-23-10, 07:59 PM
This is true that is why I always through the HT4100 under the bus as well. I also throw the V8-6-4 just cause I never would own one. For the record, with the exception of my 77 GMC 250 I-6, The best mechanical vehicle I have ever owned was a 83 Olds Station wagon that I paid $300 painted black with indoor house paint I got for free and had a buddy throw some flames and a ridge vent from a house as a hood scoop. It was my winter beater in high school, had 260K original miles on the entire drivetrain, we beat the crap out of it, jumped it, field beat it and I sold it to a friend that demo derbied it. BTW went to the junkyard running.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b55/Johnny1107/01wagon.jpg

^ Only known pic of it.

~HJ

greencadillacmatt
01-23-10, 08:04 PM
It's cars like that that make me smile. I remember a few years ago at the junkyard there was an 80's Olds Wagon painted sky blue with flames. Cousins, maybe? I would drive a wagon like that everywhere with a big dumb smile on my face. :D

HAZZARDJOHN
01-23-10, 08:09 PM
Yeah But I had that when I was in high school. You should have seen all the Girls I dated back then's parents faces when I picked up there daughter in that. The only way it could be worse for you image is if it was a van with no side windows and said free candy on the side LOL

~HJ

Aron9000
01-24-10, 02:07 AM
^The 307 limos had the VIN 9 engine.

Which means what???

Stingroo
01-24-10, 02:10 AM
Slightly more powerful.

Probably still serious dogs with all the weight though.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-24-10, 02:17 AM
The VIN 9 307 was the 170hp "high output" engine used in the Oldsmobile Cutlass 442 and Hurst Olds.

Aron9000
01-24-10, 02:21 AM
The VIN 9 307 was the 170hp "high output" engine used in the Oldsmobile Cutlass 442 and Hurst Olds.

Still wouldn't been adequate in a 6000lb limo with six passengers adding another 900-1000lbs.

96Fleetwood
01-24-10, 09:19 AM
The best mechanical vehicle I have ever owned was a 83 Olds Station wagon

~HJ


I miss my '86 Pontiac Parisienne station wagon. Out of the 8 wagons I have owned, it received the most attention! I sold it for a LT1 wagon, but they just didn't have the rugged feel of the old boxies.
I was going to put a Cadillac 500 in it, but sold it for a nice profit instead. I beefed up the suspension, put some 15X8 ralleys on, and a nice exhaust....

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/leloz/safariwag.jpg

The main gripe I had with the 307 was the horrible gas mileage despite small displacement.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-24-10, 10:26 AM
What kind of mileage did it pull? Someone told me that they always got decent mileage....

96Fleetwood
01-24-10, 11:36 AM
What kind of mileage did it pull? Someone told me that they always got decent mileage....

20-22 on the highway and 14-15 in the city.

The LT1 wagons made 17-18 in the city and 23-25 on the highway... but much more power to boot.

Bro-Ham
01-24-10, 12:21 PM
I miss my '86 Pontiac Parisienne station wagon...I was going to put a Cadillac 500 in it, but sold it for a nice profit instead. The main gripe I had with the 307 was the horrible gas mileage despite small displacement.

Just what kind of gas mileage were you expecting this car to get had you put a 500 in it?! :)

96Fleetwood
01-24-10, 01:08 PM
Just what kind of gas mileage were you expecting this car to get had you put a 500 in it?! :)

Exactly my point. I have owned Cadillacs with the 472 and 500; both which achieved 10-13 city mpg... but that is expected.

Bro-Ham
01-24-10, 02:11 PM
I think it is funny when we talk about gas mileage with big old cars. :)

HAZZARDJOHN
01-24-10, 02:49 PM
You're lucky, I got 8-10 with mixed driving with my 307. I have a buddy that drove nothing but 307 powered vehicles from the 80's up until I sold him my 92 Roadmaster. If he got 15 MPG he'd be happy. My caddy gets 10 MPG no matter how I drive it. People tell me it should get better, but I don't see how. The carburetor has been rebuilt professionally to factory specs a few times since I have owned it. It is tuned, I have modern radial tires, and I drive it pretty conservatively. I don't really car, but I just don't buy that they get better MPG.

~HJ

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
01-24-10, 02:58 PM
No matter how I drive my Lincoln I get 15 to the gallon. I can beat the living crap out of it for a tank and then baby it like no other on the next and go the same exact distance.

hearseman
01-24-10, 03:45 PM
1959 Fleetwood Hearse : )

jey
01-24-10, 04:56 PM
I also want an Escalade with one of these on top:

http://www.gmcpedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/gatlinggun.jpeg

Stingroo
01-24-10, 05:04 PM
Was that the futureweapons clip or Mythbusters?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
01-24-10, 08:01 PM
20-22 on the highway and 14-15 in the city.

The LT1 wagons made 17-18 in the city and 23-25 on the highway... but much more power to boot.

14-15 MPG city & 21-22 isn't too bad all things considered...it's from 1986, it's carb'dand it's a brick.

There was something wrong with my Roadmaster, I always got 13-14 mpg in city, and never broke 21 on the highway. I drove fast, but not THAT fast. :lol:

I'd get 14-16 in town with my deVille, and 24-26 on the highway.

greencadillacmatt
01-25-10, 01:08 AM
Was that the futureweapons clip or Mythbusters?

Might have been Monster Garage. The one where they mini-gun the crap out of a failed RX7 Sand Rail. Ba-Boom! :gun2:

grauhst
11-12-13, 09:39 AM
Hope it isn't a problem that I bump this older thread.

If money doesn't matter my dream cars:

- Cadillac Eldorado 1976 Bicentennial
- Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham d'Elegance 81-85 (yes, V8-6-4 and HT4100... I like these engines) (have it :thumbsup: )
- Cadillac Sedan Deville 66-70 + 1976
- Cadillac Fleetwood Talisman 74-76
- something like this (http://www.mcsmk8.com/90-LIMO/90-LIMO.HTM) with chauffeur
- Lincoln Continental Mark IV / V 1974-79 (have it :thumbsup: )
- Lincoln Continental Mark VI 4dr
- Lincoln Continental 4dr 70-79
- Chevrolet Caprice 77-90
- Chrysler Imperial 1981-83
- Plymouth Fury 1978
- Ford Crown Victoria 80s
- Buick Electra Estate 80s
- GMC Suburban
- big Mercurys 1970-1989
- Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser

Yes, they are all affordable. I am not interested in Bugatti Veyron, Shelby Eleanor, Mopars, Ferraris or whatever. I would spend more money on an HT4100 powered Fleetwood than on supersport cars. Fortunately I am able to buy my dream cars. :woohoo: :D:D

Felix

j2rossit
11-12-13, 05:18 PM
I think I would be happiest in a 68 Deville Convertible or a 1931-1935 cadillac 4-door hard top.

Gman1023
11-12-13, 10:16 PM
Wow old thread, thanks for resurrecting it!

High on my list would be a 30's V-16 Dual Cowl Phaeton. They were so extreme and awesome, regardless of the coachbuilder. It would have been fun to have had that money back in the day and built my car from the ground up. I'd also like a 57-58 Eldo Brougham, 56 Fleetwood and a 1976 Talisman with leather, Astro, Track Master, FI and ACRS. Colors open to negotiation, but something uniquely to the period for all.

shrike77
11-12-13, 11:01 PM
Not into low riders but oddly enough that is the CAdillac I`d ike to drive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsELO1AQFZM

Other cars would include a Renault Alpine A110, the Volvette, maybe a recent BMW 740 or a recent BMW 5 series

Alscad56
11-19-13, 08:35 PM
Besides the ones I own,( '56 Sedan Deville and '94 Fleetwood)
-1957,'58 Fleetwood...well all Fleetwoods from the fabulous '50s!
-1953 Coupe Deville
-1954-56 Coupe Devilles
-1957-58 Eldorado Brougham
-1959 Convertible
-1961 Coupe Deville
-1963 Coupe Deville
-1992 Brougham D'Elegance

The-Dullahan
11-26-13, 12:38 AM
A matching set of Crown Sovereigns by Superior (bitch still Cadillacs). A 1959 and a 1987, both black with burgundy interior.

...oh, wait...


Hmmm. Yeah, I'm good then.

I suppose I need a 1967 now.

talismandave
11-26-13, 12:49 AM
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sven914
11-26-13, 04:34 AM
http://img.favcars.com/cadillac/fleetwood/images_cadillac_fleetwood_1956_1.jpg

cadillacmike68
11-26-13, 11:29 AM
I think I would be happiest in a 68 Deville Convertible or a 1931-1935 cadillac 4-door hard top.

+1 on the 1968 DVC - really nice looking cars & the first with the 478ci engine.

My list in no particulate order & includes what I already have:

1968 DeVille convertible - great rear bumper & lights, real wood dash & door panels & front vents
1969 / 70 DeVille Convertible - Always likes the front end of these, better parts availability than 1968.
1971 El Dorado Convertible - first year, least amount of plastic trim
1968 Fleetwood Brougham - 4 power vent windows!
1969 / 70 Fleetwood Brougham - first years with split power front seats
1992 Brougham d'Elegance w 5.7 CD & Tow pkg - hard to find, but the last chrome mirrored Cadillacs
1995 / 96 Fleetwood Brougham - really fine dependable cars, the last great RWDs
2009 / STS NorthStar - just about the best car GM ever made, esp the Platinum ed.
2009 STS-V - to get that supercharged NorthStar!!!
1999 DeVille Concours - yeah its FWD, but it was the nicest one
1930s Dual Cowl Phaeton convertible - they just look so cool
2002 El Dorado ETC convertible conversion - a Coachbuilders hard boot fine looking car with a N*
1968 / 69 / 70 Fleetwood 75 Limousine - of course I'll need a longer garage!
2005 - 08 XLR-V - supercharged convertible!

Others:
1968 - 70 Corvette convertible - preferably with the 427 or 454 engine
1967 - 69 Camaro or Firebird convertible
1960s (late) Jaguar E-type V12 convertible

j2rossit
11-26-13, 02:05 PM
http://s16.postimg.org/m2i84zyrp/screenshot_79.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

This is a car owned by a buddy of mine. "BIG RED" is it's name and it is one of the reasons I included them in my list of dream caddies.
It's won many awards.

I think I would be happiest in a 68 Deville Convertible or a 1931-1935 cadillac 4-door hard top.

Submariner409
11-26-13, 02:17 PM
Back in the Dark Ages a buddy had one of these - always lusted for one - 1949 series 62. (I was pushing a '53 MG-TD at the time)

talismandave
11-26-13, 08:02 PM
This is a car owned by a buddy of mine. "BIG RED" is it's name and it is one of the reasons I included them in my list of dream caddies.
It's won many awards.

I fell in love with this one when the guys posted it from the 2012 National meet. I love resto-mods, the best of both worlds if done right. That one is really perfect!


Back in the Dark Ages a buddy had one of these - always lusted for one - 1949 series 62. (I was pushing a '53 MG-TD at the time)

Another great choice. However, I think I want the MG more! I will one day own a TC, provided I live long enough!

j2rossit
11-27-13, 03:13 PM
I fell in love with this one when the guys posted it from the 2012 National meet. I love resto-mods, the best of both worlds if done right. That one is really perfect!


And he started from the ground up. He started with a rough project and did what he wanted. No worry to the purists about cannibalizing a "survivor". He drive's the car all over the country. Goes on huge road trips each year. The interior is from a 2006 CTS.
It got rear ended last winter by some girl texting on her phone, she hit it hard enough that one of the rear windows got broken. Luckily he found a new bumper and got it fixed up as good as new.

talismandave
11-27-13, 08:18 PM
Did he get the possibility of parole on the homicide conviction?

shrike77
11-27-13, 08:51 PM
Did he get the possibility of parole on the homicide conviction?

He should have pimped her up!

j2rossit
11-27-13, 09:25 PM
Lol, he had friends and the wife in the car, so he was on his best behaviour. He got all his passengers to get checked out medically.