: Radar/Laser Detectors



Luna.
12-18-09, 01:48 PM
There are many useful threads about radar/laser detectors, but I haven't really found what I'm looking for. As such, let me ask the following:

If money was NOT a significant concern, what combination of radar/laser systems would you go with?

I remember years ago one place saying that they had some $2k option to install a laser jammer/radar detector in the front and rear bumper or something like that, but I can't recall that option with certainty.

I have a co-worker who is specifically asking me and I know we have some savvy people on this forum, so I'm throwing it out there... :cool2:

MReiland
12-18-09, 01:52 PM
I think you are thinking of a K40 system, nearly invisible once integrated into the car.

JFJr
12-18-09, 02:24 PM
If money was NOT a significant concern, what combination of radar/laser systems would you go with?

I remember years ago one place saying that they had some $2k option to install a laser jammer/radar detector in the front and rear bumper or something like that, but I can't recall that option with certainty.Escort makes some excellent detectors/laser shifters, and some are available as custom installations. I am considering a custom installation involving equipment in the engine bay/grille area, but am concerned about compromising engine cooling through alteration of designed air flow. Anyone else faced these issues and have some advice?

whisler151
12-18-09, 02:57 PM
I've heard the Escort SHIFTER ZR4 works pretty well. Although I do not know from experience. I think it is around $2,000 for all the parts.

Baxman
12-18-09, 03:03 PM
The Valentine One radar/laser detector/locater has come out on top in multiple auto-mag testing comparisons, but laser jamming is another issue.

In the few instances when my Valentine One has failed me, my "ticket attorney" has been very effective. Between my brother, my daughter and me, he is 7 for 7 @ $300 each without personally ever having to go to court.

Hawkeye2
12-18-09, 03:28 PM
I used a Jammer and still got a ticket on the Penn Turnpike. Actually the Trooper was kinda cool. He looked at my Valentine One and the
Jammer and just laughed. 86 in 65 not bad. He showed me how his laser worked and let me try it on a couple cars while he wrote my
citation.

Best defense is to not speed, however, if you do, the best is a CB radio tuned to channel 19. The truckers still warn each other
where "smokey" is.

demorgan59
12-18-09, 03:31 PM
The Escort Passport 9500ci is a nice built in-unit with laser ja....err....shifting capability.

CTSVeee
12-18-09, 04:17 PM
I used a Jammer and still got a ticket on the Penn Turnpike. Actually the Trooper was kinda cool. He looked at my Valentine One and the
Jammer and just laughed. 86 in 65 not bad. He showed me how his laser worked and let me try it on a couple cars while he wrote my
citation.

Best defense is to not speed, however, if you do, the best is a CB radio tuned to channel 19. The truckers still warn each other
where "smokey" is.
Yeah, a laser jammer won't help you on the PA Turnpike. They hide just a few feet off the road tucked into those mountainside pull off areas. If you aren't familiar with the area, you are toast.

I highly recommend using this site to familiarize yourself if you are driving out of your general area. There are a lot of posts on there, so sometimes it's hard to pick out the 'real' threats.

http://www.speedtrap.org/

cbloveday
12-18-09, 04:54 PM
I had the K40 Calibre installed with their defuser X in the last 2 cars I owned. I decided not to install in the V as I flipped the last 2 cars after 30,000 miles and 15,000 miles repectively. I do not have one in the V.

www.k40.com

Da Dark Jedi
12-18-09, 06:36 PM
Look into the Blinder jammers, their good. The new Blinder M-47 Extereme is their new model. K40 does not let the independants tests anything they have so it's hard to get feedback.

Night Wolf
12-18-09, 10:12 PM
Escort makes some excellent detectors/laser shifters, and some are available as custom installations. I am considering a custom installation involving equipment in the engine bay/grille area, but am concerned about compromising engine cooling through alteration of designed air flow. Anyone else faced these issues and have some advice?

No part of an installed radar/lasar detection system is going to make a difference to any designed airflow.

I've got an Escort Passport 8500 X50 that I've had for years now, I like it. Saved me many times. Cops in GA and FL don't use radar like they did in NY tho.



Best defense is to not speed, however, if you do, the best is a CB radio tuned to channel 19. The truckers still warn each other
where "smokey" is.


Oh yes, know where they are ~10+ miles ahead!

Sadly my vehicle with the CB guzzles gas at a crazy rate above the speed limit, dosen't go too far into the triple digits and really shouldn't be driven at those speeds anyway.

Rolex
12-18-09, 10:47 PM
Those covert systems are awesome and I've been told they're well worth the money, IF you do a lot of driving. One of the partners in my group has one on an old vehicle he used to commute many years ago.

A few years back I bought the Escort Passport 8500 X50 ($300) and it has worked very well. While I believe the eyes are the best defense against speed traps and pop radar from oncoming troopers in traffic, a quality radar detector will reveal those sneaky hidden troopers that you can't see.

When this detector takes a carp on me and I'm faced with buying a new one, I wil get a Valentine V1 ($400). I have read several times on this forum that the directional arrows are well worth the extra $100. I believe in most objective and non-biased online reviews the V1 and Passport 8500 X50 have very similar ability to detect oncoming threats (both in long distance, and in 360 coverage). Only with the 8500 you don't know which direction the radar is coming from.

Night Wolf
12-18-09, 10:59 PM
Escort has the new 9500 something something out, it's supposed to be better then the 8500 x50.

the cable on my x50 is picky, sometimes I have to wrap the end where it plugs in around the unit a couple times, and every now and then it says service required, I just unplug it and plug then plug it back in. It has been in every one of my vehicles and has it's share of use. I like the various display modes, I have mine set to display the electrical systems voltage, which is neat.

eyekandyboats.inc
12-19-09, 02:02 PM
VALENTINE!
that is all:)

97EldoCoupe
12-19-09, 02:10 PM
Cobra. Failed once. Svd mi @$$ countless times. :D

ejguillot
12-20-09, 06:32 PM
If you own a smartphone, get Trapster! Trapster.com is the place, and the app is free. Way better than speedtrap.org for a lot of reasons.

MacMuse
12-20-09, 07:06 PM
I've had Trapster for months, and had pretty much forgotten about it. Yesterday, my son & I were cruising through northern Illinois on our way back home from picking him up at school. Since he was driving, I pulled out Trapster as we approached a State cop on the side of the road. Five minutes later the app finally figured where we were, and then it wouldn't let me hit the button to post a report.

Yeah, that's why I gave up on it months ago. Too slow to respond.

My other apps that work with GPS in a similar manner are far more responsive than Trapster. The app is an interesting idea, and I like the 'police often hide here' reports. I find the app a little too sluggish for live usage.

ejguillot
12-21-09, 09:26 AM
Live usage is fairly slow with Trapster, but getting the "police often hide here" and "red light camera" alerts when driving through an unfamiliar area are great. I personally don't use a radar/laser detector, the cops around the Tampa area use laser almost exclusively.

"G$"
12-21-09, 09:37 AM
The Valentine One radar/laser detector/locater has come out on top in multiple auto-mag testing comparisons, but laser jamming is another issue.

In the few instances when my Valentine One has failed me, my "ticket attorney" has been very effective. Between my brother, my daughter and me, he is 7 for 7 @ $300 each without personally ever having to go to court.

your valentine one has failed you 7 times?

Aurora5000
12-21-09, 11:27 AM
Anything Bel makes that you can get at Best Buy.

Florian
12-21-09, 11:40 AM
V1 and LI.....unbeatable. Read here: guysoflidar.com


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CIWS
12-21-09, 11:41 AM
VALENTINE!
that is all:)

Not true.


your valentine one has failed you 7 times?



I used a Jammer and still got a ticket on the Penn Turnpike. Actually the Trooper was kinda cool. He looked at my Valentine One and the
Jammer and just laughed. 86 in 65 not bad. He showed me how his laser worked and let me try it on a couple cars while he wrote my
citation.

Best defense is to not speed, however, if you do, the best is a CB radio tuned to channel 19. The truckers still warn each other
where "smokey" is.

The first part of your post helps substantiate that just because you buy an expensive detector no matter how it rates in someone's tests doesn't really mean squat when dealing with a well trained LEO who is actually trying to catch speeders.

The part I underlined and highlighted is Very true.



The V1 is no better than most other detectors in its price range (350-450.00). If you believe this than I'm sorry but you don't understand Radar and its detection. This is also true for anyone's detector, be it the Escorts or Bels, whomever. In the real world driving down the highway and roads all of those detectors are going to function close enough so that any BS differences some magazine or online site provides you in tests to show which one is "better" is just worthless. However I applaud those V1 owners who are honest enough to admit they have been ticketed with it, as many try to claim is some kind of super device. It's simply a well built detector that like all of the others can be defeated by a well trained LEO who's actually trying. So if you're looking to spend 400.00+ on a detector choose the one that has specific features you want, such as the arrows on the V1 to point toward signal source or the GPS lockout feature like in the Escort. Because as far as detection they're all well within the capability to detect a signal early enough, provided the officer is being sloppy. For road trips almost any detector over 200.00 and a CB radio will provide the best defense, not fool proof.

Laser jammers seem to change as to who is on top, but the K40 carries a sold reputation.

Florian
12-21-09, 11:47 AM
CIWS, check the site and the unbiased reports...it may change your mind.


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CIWS
12-21-09, 12:02 PM
CIWS, check the site and the unbiased reports...it may change your mind.


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On which F-man ?

Florian
12-21-09, 12:05 PM
guysoflidar.com


Unbiased radar and lidar freaks......they do great work and dont accept a dime in exchange for their views/results. It is clear that some detectors are better than others and that one defensive measure is head and shoulders above the rest.


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codewize
12-21-09, 12:10 PM
I'm contimplating the same project and I think I'm into the V1, Blinder's M47 solution and the VEIL coating.

CIWS
12-21-09, 12:34 PM
guysoflidar.com


Unbiased radar and lidar freaks......they do great work and dont accept a dime in exchange for their views/results. It is clear that some detectors are better than others and that one defensive measure is head and shoulders above the rest.


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In their own words. (they get some kudos because at least they're being honest up front)

"Every single encounter is different: no staged test can show people exactly what they will experience driving down their own roads, with their own detectors. The only true real-world tests are actual real-world encounters."

"Please remember: what these test results provide is an indication of "relative sensitivity", or how the detectors might compare against themselves or each other. Just like any other radar detector test (foam or not), the absolute distances in the results cannot be applied to any situation other than the specific test conditions."

A vehicle traveling at 60mph covers 88 feet per second. In the real world driving down the highway at highway speeds the differences they or any other site is showing is negligible in time because most drivers are not fully focused like some guys running those tests or a ESM/ECM operator. If a LEO is being sloppy even the "worst" detectors give you enough time to get slowed down, provided your speed isn't too far above the posted limit in the first place. If that LEO is out to bust the real speeders all that detector is going to tell you is you're about to be pulled over.

2000CadillacSTS
12-21-09, 01:04 PM
Forgive me as I know little about Radar/laser detectors. I was wondering if a cop knows his gun has been jammed or does he simply just not get a reading? It would be quite fun to jam them on a regular basis if they know you have done it. That would be worth me buying one in itself.....:D

CIWS
12-21-09, 02:28 PM
Laser guns emit a sound as they are being fired and that sound varies a bit at a rate that corresponds to the reflected light so an officer can tell he's on target. If he's experienced enough and knows he's on target but not getting the proper sound that experience can tell him there's a reason for it. Some of the guns have error indicators and or codes to clue in they are getting jammed, but some work well and some do not. Again depending upon the LEOs experiences they may simply ignore it if it tends to give a lot of false indications. In a way we're back to those officers who are well trained and experienced vs those who are not. If you live in a state that allows jammers then it's no big deal. If you live in one where it is illegal you may not want to chance it. Then again some folks just like taking risks.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOdS_e3_abY

CIWS
12-21-09, 03:06 PM
From a standpoint of detection, check out this guy's site on youtube and the multiple videos of them driving around in the real world of police running radar in different situations. They have 3 to 4 different kind of detectors all running at once to show any real differences. Keep in mind the amount of time from getting any alerts to having time to slow down between the various units.

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpeedTrapHunter#p/u

codewize
12-23-09, 04:04 PM
I wish he were a little more clear as to which unit he was referring to. Throwing model numbers and band numbers around is very confusing.


From a standpoint of detection, check out this guy's site on youtube and the multiple videos of them driving around in the real world of police running radar in different situations. They have 3 to 4 different kind of detectors all running at once to show any real differences. Keep in mind the amount of time from getting any alerts to having time to slow down between the various units.

http://www.youtube.com/user/SpeedTrapHunter#p/u

Gristle Boy
12-23-09, 04:29 PM
I have a 9500ix & it has worked flawlessly for me.

CIWS
12-23-09, 07:07 PM
I wish he were a little more clear as to which unit he was referring to. Throwing model numbers and band numbers around is very confusing.


The units he's using in most of those videos are the

Passport 9500ci (http://www.escortradar.com/passport9500ci-details.php)

Bel STI Driver (https://www.beltronics.com/store/sti-driver.html)

Valentine 1 (http://www.valentine1.com/) (V1)

Escort Redline (https://www.escortradar.com/store/ESCORT-Redline-Radar-Detector.html)