: RWD versus FWD



HUF
12-14-09, 11:28 PM
It would be interesting to learn the cons and pros of RWD versus FWD vehicles from everyone's point of view. So , please share your experience! Thanks.

Stingroo
12-14-09, 11:45 PM
As far as I know, FWD vehicles are known to be better in the snow. I have little experience in this area though.

In my ACTUAL experience, I find RWD cars to handle better, understeer less, and just be a lot more fun to drive. Also they're easier to work on.

sven914
12-15-09, 12:14 AM
Pros-Front wheel drive: Front wheel drive gives you more interior space because there is no need for a transmission journal. They get better traction with the majority of vehicle's weight being over the drive and steering axles. Usually front wheel drive gets better fuel economy because there is less energy loss in the drive train.

Cons-"______________": Front wheel drive, drive trains are more difficult to work on because everything is crammed into a small space. Front wheel drive components are more delicate than rear wheel drive components, so more break at a time which becomes more expensive to fix. From a performance standpoint, front wheel drive is undesirable because front wheel drive cars cannot archive a 50/50 weigh distribution. Performance front wheel drive cars have a problem called torque steer, in which the steering wheel is jerked to the right or left during heavy acceleration.

Pros-Rear Wheel Drive: Rear wheel drive cars are more simplistic and therefore eaisier to repair. Rear wheel drive is a rugged design where it is harder to break drive train components, and when they do break, they're usually less expensive to repair than front wheel drive components. From a performance standpoint, rear wheel drive offers a better weight distribution, which means better vehicle handling and there is no torque steer.

Cons-"____________": Rear wheel drive vehicles obviously have less traction. They also get poorer fuel economy because there is a lot of energy loss in turning the driveshaft and they tend to weigh more because the drive train components are larger and heavier. There is less interior space because of the transmission and driveshaft journal

csbuckn
12-15-09, 12:56 AM
So where is 50/50 weight distribution more important, off the line or going down the track? Just a random question Ive always wanted to know. I see cars do wheelies of the line and think they most be losing time. Im not even sure it would apply as long as you hook.

greencadillacmatt
12-15-09, 01:30 AM
50/50 is probably more important on a road course or an autocross event. I'm not sure with drag racing. I think you would want it heavier in the back, to aid in rear wheel traction. If your drag car is FWD, then you wouldn't want it heavier in the rear. The only drag racing application I can think of for a 50/50 weight distribution would be if you have an all-wheel-drive car.

robb257731
12-15-09, 09:41 AM
Clearly RWD wins out because my Brougham is RWD. Until buying my first Brougham in 2008 I had been driving FWD cars for the past 10 years. Honestly I don't see that much difference in performance.

My daily driver is a 1998 Monte Carlo, FWD...I like both of my cars, but I have more fun driving the Brougham. I can't say it's because it's RWD though. I guess the best example I can give is in cornering. The FWD car feels like it's PULLING itself around the corner, but the RWD feels like you're being pushed (because you are), which is more fun.The Brougham is lousy in the snow whereas the Monte Carlo is great. I've had that car for 10 years, and have only been stuck once.

outsider
12-15-09, 10:15 AM
As far as I know, FWD vehicles are known to be better in the snow. I have little experience in this area though.

In my ACTUAL experience, I find RWD cars to handle better, understeer less, and just be a lot more fun to drive. Also they're easier to work on.

me too...

sven914
12-15-09, 10:23 AM
From experience, front wheel drive doesn't feel right in larger cars.

Last spring, I test drove an '80-something Seville. It was a four door coach builder special, with the spare wheels in the fenders.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3060/2666241123_fe8e57ea86.jpg

Just like this (by the same company too). The fancy fenders made it a little longer than the Brougham, and probably the same weight.

It still had the stock 4100, which in those cars was transversely mounted. It handled horribly, like it was struggling for every move. It just didn't feel natural to have such a big car being dragged down the street. And I know the problem wasn't in the 4100's lack of power because I also drove a Sedan de Ville, which just felt underpowered.

Stingroo
12-15-09, 11:07 AM
To cs: As far as I understand it, 50/50 weight distribution going "down the track" (assuming you meant drag racing) isn't necessarily relevant. It may help in acceleration to stop wheelies from occurring (like, having all four tires on the pavement makes more contact patch, etc.) but since the front wheels aren't driven in a RWD car, it probably wouldn't have as drastic an effect as in an AWD application. 50/50 distribution in a FWD car wouldn't do much, because you would just add pointless weight behind the drivetrain to attain this, so you would slow the car down.

But in other forms of racing, like road racing, rally racing, and autocross, 50/50 is ideal because it balances the car out in nearly all circumstances, especially autocross, because it makes body roll less apparent since the car is more flat and stable.

outsider
12-15-09, 11:27 AM
From experience, front wheel drive doesn't feel right in larger cars.

Last spring, I test drove an '80-something Seville. It was a four door coach builder special, with the spare wheels in the fenders.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3060/2666241123_fe8e57ea86.jpg

Just like this (by the same company too). The fancy fenders made it a little longer than the Brougham, and probably the same weight.

It still had the stock 4100, which in those cars was transversely mounted. It handled horribly, like it was struggling for every move. It just didn't feel natural to have such a big car being dragged down the street. And I know the problem wasn't in the 4100's lack of power because I also drove a Sedan de Ville, which just felt underpowered.

That car looks silly. newer cars just don't look good with the spare tire on the fenders...

sven914
12-15-09, 12:02 PM
That car looks silly. newer cars just don't look good with the spare tire on the fenders...

It's all about pimpin...

They go with overall flow of the body.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3367/3180392261_aa548b8f7f.jpghttp://100megsfree4.com/cadillac/cad1980/1984/84seville.jpg

But the one I drove was the 4 door model.

http://images.loqu.com/contents/264/903/image/2009-07-05/6.jpg

Stingroo
12-15-09, 12:16 PM
I'm not going to lie, I actually really like that first Seville pictured.

outsider
12-15-09, 12:18 PM
ok, seeing the swooping ass end of the cars it doesn't look AS bad.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
12-15-09, 01:15 PM
That 2-door Seville was called the Cadillac Opera. Google it.

Its hard to tell by my current line up of vehicles, but I have no preference for FWD or RWD vehicles. I have owned both, and both have their pros and cons. My '88 FWD Fleetwood dominated in the snow. There were times I was able to out accelerate my mom and her '00 4WD Blazer. It also rode extremely well because it had independent rear suspension, something not normally found on RWD vehicles unless they are very high end.

Bro-Ham
12-15-09, 03:50 PM
I'm not going to lie, I actually really like that first Seville pictured.

Sting, You've revealed quite some interesting tidbits about yourself today. You like orange tuxedos and Cadillac Opera Coupe Sevilles. Should we order you a Liberace' video for Christmas? :) Is your girlfriend Helen Hayes? :)

greencadillacmatt
12-15-09, 11:26 PM
He's just livin' the lifestyle. :D

Stingroo
12-16-09, 01:54 AM
Lol Why Liberace?

sven914
12-16-09, 02:13 AM
Lol Why Liberace?

http://www.aperfectworld.org/Sears/postcard5.jpghttp://www.foppishdandy.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Liberace_fur.jpghttp://unusuallife.com/wp-content/uploads2006/2008/04/liberace-in-style.jpg

He's the grand master of flamboyant. There are pimps who won't go this far.

Stingroo
12-16-09, 02:25 AM
That's true, but look how awesome that piano is in the first picture.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
12-16-09, 10:59 AM
^ :histeric:

Stingroo
12-16-09, 03:27 PM
Hey, it is. Gilded trim ftw.

jey
12-16-09, 06:32 PM
It's easier to achieve a smooth, quiet ride in FWD. The absense of a long driveshaft means there is less unsprung weight. U-joints in RWD cars can create noise/vibration, while the CV joints in FWD cars are smooth (but more fragile)

RWD is more fun! Mashing the throttle and stepping the rear end of the car around is excellent for anger management.

77CDV
12-16-09, 09:38 PM
That's true, but look how awesome that piano is in the first picture.

And that's Liberace at his most restrained and conservative! Ever see his mirror-covered RR? Talk about bling!:cool2:

Stingroo
12-17-09, 01:32 AM
I don't know, that might be a little crazy, but still. lol

77CDV
12-17-09, 01:04 PM
It comes with a matching piano!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dioRwB4RvrQ

Kitsch aside, he was actually one hell of a classical pianist.

HUF
12-17-09, 01:08 PM
Yeah, Rear Wheel Drive Piano versus Front Wheel Drive Piano ... :)

sven914
12-17-09, 02:05 PM
Liberace took a 1961 Rolls Royce Phantom V and modified it to look like a true Brougham.

Stock http://www.rrab.com/cars08/5bx58b.jpgto this http://luxurycarphotos.tripod.com/61rollsphantomV.jpg

Reminds me of this 1956 Eldorado Brougham

http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Cadillac/1956_Cadillac_Eldorado_Brougham_Town_Car_Concept.j pg

Cadillac Giovanni
12-18-09, 02:46 PM
I've only owned two cars in my life, both Cadillacs. The first, an 86 FWD Deville, and my current 89 RWD Brougham. I also drive my mom's 95 FWD Deville Concours a lot.

I prefer the RWD over the FWD, by far, especially in a larger car. I find that despite the Brougham's larger size and weight, it corners far better than the Deville. Having the rear tires push you through the turn sort of helps to "lock in" the fronts. They say FWD is better in snow, but if you have a heavy car, again like a Caddy, then I find it to be worse. With all that weight in the front, I find the car will understeer on even the slowest of corners. While It's easy to break loose the rear tires on a RWD when the road is slippery, I find it's also just as easy to regain control. In my FWD, if the car started to slide, I was helpless to recover it.

FWD was created with drive efficiency and interior space concerns in mind, but really, RWD seems more natural. You have four wheels on your car, why put all the stress of driving, steering and braking on just two of them?

Bro-Ham
12-18-09, 03:24 PM
Sven, You are in la-la land. That is a real Cadillac.

Bro-Ham
12-18-09, 03:41 PM
This Libarace' stuff is classic! My retired business partner back 10-15 years ago had a habit of taking the bait on every late night commercial and he bought literally everything imaginable. He had ginsu knives, the magic roller, the Big Green Clean Machine, every possible ronco product, and one time he even bought a Liberace' video and it was the one with the introduction above. The video also featured Libarache's "girl" friend Helen Reddy and the whole production was so classically over the top Las Vegas from the good ol' days! Once you start watching you can't stop. We need Cadillacs to be outrageous again!

sven914
12-18-09, 04:05 PM
Sven, You are in la-la land. That is a real Cadillac.

?!:confused:?!

Brougham: A light horse drawn carriage built for Henry Brougham, 1st Baron Brougham and Vaux, Lord Chancellor of Great Britain, which was distinguishable by an enclosed passenger cabin with open chauffeur seat.

In 1956 Cadillac designed the 1956 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham concept car and brought it to the Motorama Auto Show. The car featured a half convertible top and fully enclosed passenger compartment, which made it a true Brougham.

http://www.tophatjohn.com/Brougham6x.jpg

In 1957, they dropped the half roof concept and made a full hard top regular production model.

http://www.chicagocarexchange.com/resize.asp?image=PC205pside.JPG&size=800

HUF
12-18-09, 04:56 PM
It is a beauty.