: Went to Kentucky and back. Pics.



Jesda
12-12-09, 11:13 PM
Went to Kentucky to get car parts.

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ILLINOIS IS SO BORING

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Getting pretty good fuel economy for a V8.

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Piss stop.

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"Santa Claus is the home to numerous themed attractions including: Santa's Candy Castle, Santa Claus Museum, Holiday World & Splashin' Safari, Frosty's Fun Center, and Christmas Lake Golf Course."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus,_Indiana

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Approaching Louisville at 1am, or as they locally pronounce it, "Loovul"

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Crossing the Ohio River into Kentucky

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My nasty seventeen year old seat. Covered the bottom with vinyl. The padding was shot so I had to sit on my jacket.

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Fuel stop in the little town of La Grande, KY. Ended up staying at a Super 8.

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Breakfast

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The guy I found on eBay lives way out in the boonies.

Jesda
12-12-09, 11:13 PM
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Donor car, a 1994 STS. I took the drivers seat, radio, radio trim, and center console wood. He even installed my replacement seat. Well worth the $160 I gave him. The Bose Gold head unit alone goes for $100-$130 on ebay.
The rest of the interior was clean, unlike mine, which was exposed to years of abuse in New York.

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La Grange has train tracks that go directly through downtown. If you parallel park too far from the curb, you'll get smooshed by a train.


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Nice suburb outside of Louisville, way nicer than mine.

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Stopped at Radio Shack for wire connectors to reconnect the Bose amps that I previously bypassed.

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Don't mind me, folks. Just hanging out in the parking lot, working on my car.

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We headed to "On The Border" for grub.

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Louisville actually has a beautiful downtown and riverfront. I didn't expect that.

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Jesda
12-12-09, 11:13 PM
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Passed by Lincoln City, IN. Abe's mom is buried there.

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And a thunderstorm. Another 3F lower and it would have been a nasty snow storm.




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Video clip, driving home and enjoying the new sound system. Gunther is hilariously awesome.
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I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-12-09, 11:16 PM
Cool stuff. That '94 had a really clean interior.

V-Eight
12-12-09, 11:17 PM
LOL, interesting taste in music...

Looks like you got some beautiful parts.

Jesda
12-12-09, 11:26 PM
Looks like you got some beautiful parts.

You're making me blush!

gary88
12-12-09, 11:33 PM
When I roadtripped to Florida last year we stopped in Kentucky for a break. People there are real nice. Wouldn't want to live there though.

Night Wolf
12-12-09, 11:41 PM
Roadtrip! Fun times :)

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That is my favorite 90's Cadillac interior, actually probably my favorite Cadillac interior of them all.

I like the layout with the FDC on the left and ECC on the right, in easy access and right in front of the driver. It just looks too plain, I would pull it apart, paint the needles red, and perhaps change the backlights to either red or blue. I also prefer the tach on the right side with the speedo on the left, in 1996 they reversed that.

Ah man, part of me still wants a '95 Eldorado ETC...

gdwriter
12-12-09, 11:49 PM
Damn, you got a lot of stuff for just $160. No pictures of the new seat?

The 4.9 is very good on gas for a V8. I averaged 23 MPG when I drove Cruella to Des Moines in 2007. And that was fully loaded, A/C most of the way, cruise set at 77 MPH most of the time and crossing the Rockies.

Jesda
12-13-09, 12:05 AM
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New seat. Has a tiny little hole that fortunately is only on the surface.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
12-13-09, 12:08 AM
I love V8s. 70 mph and cruising easily at 2 grand. My Lincoln runs 1750rpm at 70mph and 2500 at 90. Its awesome like that.

Night Wolf
12-13-09, 12:12 AM
I love V8s. 70 mph and cruising easily at 2 grand. My Lincoln runs 1750rpm at 70mph and 2500 at 90. Its awesome like that.

Hey now! 4000RPM at 75 is fun too!

GM was known for V8's, heck even V6's that loafted along at low RPM on the interstate, my fathers '99 GTP was the same way. IIRC my 4.9 '93 Coupe would run 2100RPM at 75 or so. Ford V8's were similar, I drove an '01 Mustang GT 5speed, and in 5th at 60 it was under 2000RPM, but had good power on hand.

The seat looks nice! So you plan on keeping the '92 STS a while now?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-13-09, 12:31 AM
The GS is right around 2,000 at 70mph.

gdwriter
12-13-09, 12:49 AM
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New seat. Has a tiny little hole that fortunately is only on the surface.Very nice and a huge improvement.

You might want to look into refreshing all of your seats with SEM Classic Coat (http://www.levineautoparts.com/semclcoforle.html). Check out this thread (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-tech-tips/162477-diy-freshen-up-leather-seats-20-a.html). Before and after pictures of Cruella and Sabrina are at Post #27 (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/1973899-post27.html).

Jesda
12-13-09, 12:54 AM
So you plan on keeping the '92 STS a while now?

So much of the car has now been refurbished or replaced, it would be a huge loss to sell it.

Recent work:
Tie rods
Tires
Turn signal cam
Bulbs
Seat
Miscellaneous audio
Brake job
Trans fluid, filter, and gasket
Alternator
Water pump
Battery
Suspension bushings
Window regulator and motor

I think the AC compressor and AC lines might be due in a couple years since it leaks and need a top-off once a year. Could use new bumper covers too (still damaged from exposure to NYC), and a power mirror switch.


There's some sentimental value too. There's the back story regarding the guy I bought it from (wasnt as advertised), the stressful drive and road trip home through heavy traffic, selling it, getting it back years later, and the fact that its the first thing I rewarded myself with after my business really started to do reasonably well.

I feel "right" when its home, in my possession. I might keep this until I'm dead.

Jesda
12-13-09, 12:55 AM
Very nice and a huge improvement.

You might want to look into refreshing all of your seats with SEM Classic Coat (http://www.levineautoparts.com/semclcoforle.html). Check out this thread (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-tech-tips/162477-diy-freshen-up-leather-seats-20-a.html). Before and after pictures of Cruella and Sabrina are at Post #27 (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/1973899-post27.html).

You rock. Thanks Gary!!

gdwriter
12-13-09, 02:20 AM
You rock. Thanks Gary!!You're welcome. It's always nice to actually be able to pass along some useful information.

From your pics, it looks like your Seville is about 90,000 miles behind Cruella, so I think you'll get to enjoy many more happy miles in yours. There's a great story behind it, and it's a keeper.

P.S. Can you bring it to the February Chicago meet?

ted tcb
12-13-09, 09:27 AM
Nice, enterprising initiative, Jesda.

I'm curious ... why not just buy both seats, back seat, and any other trim you could?

Were the seats heated?

osu411yamaha
12-13-09, 08:45 PM
Very nice and a huge improvement.

You might want to look into refreshing all of your seats with SEM Classic Coat (http://www.levineautoparts.com/semclcoforle.html). Check out this thread (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-tech-tips/162477-diy-freshen-up-leather-seats-20-a.html). Before and after pictures of Cruella and Sabrina are at Post #27 (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/1973899-post27.html).

I did the classic coat on my seats and at first they looked brand new. However, in a month they were flaking and cracking and looked even worse than before. The thread that explains how to do it only uses a 2 step process, but SEM actually recommends a 3-step process with 3 of their products. One is a soap, one is an alcohol type spray, and the other is the Classic Coat. I scuffed mine back down with a 3m pad, redid them, and am now happy with the results. Overall they are holding up with some cracking, but remember that the Classic Coat is simply a flexible paint and will inevitably start to crack. The best solution is the leatherique leather restoration kit. It is much more work, but the results are 10 times better.

gdwriter
12-14-09, 12:12 AM
I did the classic coat on my seats and at first they looked brand new. However, in a month they were flaking and cracking and looked even worse than before. The thread that explains how to do it only uses a 2 step process, but SEM actually recommends a 3-step process with 3 of their products. One is a soap, one is an alcohol type spray, and the other is the Classic Coat. I scuffed mine back down with a 3m pad, redid them, and am now happy with the results. Overall they are holding up with some cracking, but remember that the Classic Coat is simply a flexible paint and will inevitably start to crack. The best solution is the leatherique leather restoration kit. It is much more work, but the results are 10 times better.I did the three-part process: soap, prep spray, scuff and a couple coats of Classic Coat. Several months down the road, the seats still look good. No cracking or flaking.

I've never used Leatherique, so I can't tell you if it's any better.

Jesda
12-14-09, 02:30 AM
Nice, enterprising initiative, Jesda.

I'm curious ... why not just buy both seats, back seat, and any other trim you could?

Were the seats heated?

Passenger and rear seats are so plentiful, I figured that could wait. My remaining seats could use a good cleaning though, but there's no rips or tears. A driver's seat in good shape is hard to come by.

The wire harnesses dont match, unfortunately, so until I figure that out I'm stuck with the lumbar set too far forward. The other power functions (except heat) work fine, however.

gdwriter
12-14-09, 05:33 PM
Sandy's treatment with a bar of Dove soap dissolved in water (I had to run it through the blender) is a cheap and effective way to clean up your seats. You might get similar or better results with Meguires or Leatherique cleaning products, but I understand they're pricey, and I've been happy with Dove treatment. The first time I did it on Cruella, I couldn't believe how dirty the rinse water got (and quickly, too). Sandy recommends doing the Dove treatment every six months. In between, you can spray Pledge on the seats for a quick clean up. Pledge has vitamin E, which is good for the leather, and it helps form a protective barrier.

Eric Kahn
12-14-09, 07:02 PM
Find me a new blue leather drivers seat for the 88 fleetwood brougham I just bought, all I have found so far is a newer steering wheel and someone else found that for me

osu411yamaha
12-15-09, 02:06 AM
Sandy's treatment with a bar of Dove soap dissolved in water (I had to run it through the blender) is a cheap and effective way to clean up your seats. You might get similar or better results with Meguires or Leatherique cleaning products, but I understand they're pricey, and I've been happy with Dove treatment. The first time I did it on Cruella, I couldn't believe how dirty the rinse water got (and quickly, too). Sandy recommends doing the Dove treatment every six months. In between, you can spray Pledge on the seats for a quick clean up. Pledge has vitamin E, which is good for the leather, and it helps form a protective barrier.
Both soap and water on your seats are the absolute 2 worst things you can put on them. It cleans them up at first, but pulls all the oils out of them and in the long run will cause them to dry and crack. I had to learn this the hard way on my first car with leather seats when I was younger. Even the 2 in 1 leather cleaners/conditioners are a bad idea. A leather cleaner is meant to pull the dirt out of the seats while trying to leave as much of the natural oil behind as possible. A leather conditioner is meant to add those natural oils back into the seats. In effect you are trying to push and pull at the same time. Bad idea. The best thing you can do for your seats is to first use a leather cleaner and then separately a leather conditioner.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
12-15-09, 11:12 AM
Both soap and water on your seats are the absolute 2 worst things you can put on them. It cleans them up at first, but pulls all the oils out of them and in the long run will cause them to dry and crack.

Really, cause this is what the seats in Sandy's car look like, and he has been doing this treatment religiously every 6 months since the day he bought the car new. http://www.smatarese.com/forum/sandy/ He does the same process every 3 months on his '02 Town Car Limited, which is his DD and it also looks brand spanking new. Its Dove soap, one of the most gentle soaps you can buy. Just because in your little theory it dries out the seats does not mean it will. Its been proven to work fantastically by several members on here, including me, with absolutely no negative consequences to the process.

osu411yamaha
12-15-09, 11:18 AM
Really, cause this is what the seats in Sandy's car look like, and he has been doing this treatment religiously every 6 months since the day he bought the car new. http://www.smatarese.com/forum/sandy/ He does the same process every 3 months on his '02 Town Car Limited, which is his DD and it also looks brand spanking new. Its Dove soap, one of the most gentle soaps you can buy. Just because in your little theory it dries out the seats does not mean it will. Its been proven to work fantastically by several members on here, including me, with absolutely no negative consequences to the process.
Yes those seats do look good. Also, this is not my "little theory", but after college I did do an internship for a soap manufacturer. All you have to do is ask any chemist or leather expert. They will all tell you water and soap are very bad for leather. Either his seats have been restored or he is vigorously re-oiling them after cleaning them with the soap. Also, are you sure these aren't pics from when it was close to new? The odometer in those pictures says 9840 miles.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
12-15-09, 11:42 AM
His car broke 10k miles only a few months ago. All he does is the soap treatment, and that is all I do to my seats as well. It works great and actually makes the seats softer and feel more hydrated than before the treatment. Of course, if you used Irish Spring it would rape the seats, but its Dove. Its meant to hydrate your skin, and leather is skin so it doesn't dry anything out.

osu411yamaha
12-15-09, 12:02 PM
His car broke 10k miles only a few months ago. All he does is the soap treatment, and that is all I do to my seats as well. It works great and actually makes the seats softer and feel more hydrated than before the treatment. Of course, if you used Irish Spring it would rape the seats, but its Dove. Its meant to hydrate your skin, and leather is skin so it doesn't dry anything out.

Whatever works for you, but I do promise there are better methods out there for your seats. The majority of wear on a seat comes from sitting on them and not necessarily the age. Seeing as his have only been sat on for 10k miles the example does not seem a good one to me. I also imagine his car is garaged and kept out of direct sunlight.

A little chemistry lesson.....

Oil is a hydrophobic molecule. Greek for "water hating". That means it repels away from water. Soap is both a hydrophobic and hydrophilic molecule. Hydrophilic is Greek for "water loving". That means soap attracts both water and oil. One side of a soap molecule attracts water and the other side attracts oil. Most dirt will bind to oil much more quickly than it will bind to water. Since our seats have natural oils in them they quickly build up dirt from our skin and clothes. We can't simply clean them with water, because all it will do is push the dirt/oil further into the seats since oil and water repel eachother. The problem with using soap and water is that since the soap attracts both water and oil you end up pulling the dirt out, but also the oil and washing it away. The word hydration is a bit ambiguous anyway in this situation, because really by definition it means to add water to something. When we are attempting to "hydrate" leather what we really want to do is add oil to it and not water. No matter how soft the soap this is still simply its sole mission, but some are harsher because they are more concentrated and tend to extract more oil.

In the long run even if it is a mild soap you will end up pulling all of the natural oils from your seat. This is why you should use leather cleaners specifically for leather that attempt to extract the dirt from the leather while still leaving the natural oils behind. Could you get away with using mild Dove soap? I suppose so, but ONLY if you are adding natural oils back into the seats after you are finished. You could do this using a leather conditioner from the parts store, but an even better method is pure neatsfoot oil. If you don't do this you are setting yourself up for dry cracked seats in the long run no matter how mild the soap.

Also, leather is not skin. At least not living skin. You can put dish soap on your skin all day long and wash all the oils out, but your body will produce new oils to replenish it. Leather is not living and has no way to replenish itself if you strip the oil from it and do not replenish it yourself.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
12-15-09, 12:54 PM
Wow, whatever makes you happy dude.

Jesda
12-15-09, 03:39 PM
FYI, Dove is a moisturizing bar. Its not Irish Spring.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-15-09, 07:26 PM
I took Sandy's advice and put Dove on my seats.

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Didn't turn out as well as I thought though. :(

ted tcb
12-15-09, 09:45 PM
I prefer a good water based cleaner, followed by mink oil.
The conditioner I use has the consistancy of a liquid car wax, and is a
mixture of mink oil and preservatives.

I tried Sandy's dove treatment with limited success.

I wiped the dove into the seats, but ended up with lots of blood, feathers, and scratches.




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RightTurn
12-16-09, 01:53 AM
:rofl: x2

Jesda
12-16-09, 02:10 AM
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-seville-cadillac-eldorado-forum/187440-putting-1994-seville-seat-into-1992-a.html