: Where have all the Cadillac dealers gone?



drmenard
12-11-09, 08:20 PM
I live in western Massachusetts...In the western half of the state there are 3 Cadillac new car dealers.. the one closet to me has been selling new cadillacs for over 70 years... last year they sold 150 new cadillacs.. not enough.. none of western ma. dealers sold enough for GM.... All 3 Cadillac dealers will be closing ... Gm will not renew there contract... I'm sure this is done to create jobs... but not here in my home town... Who else here are loosing there Caddy dealers?

Bro-Ham
12-11-09, 08:38 PM
Gotta pay to play. I bet there are a few Toyota and Honda dealers plus Volvo and Saab and Lexus and Infiniti dealers where you are. If I were spending luxo $$$'s right now I'd buy a Lincoln MKZ and stick a continental badge on it. Cute car. Not a remarkable car but the styling is semi-sexy and retro Lincoln fun. Cadillac these days doesn't do much for people unless you're in Florida. :) Try RI. :)

sven914
12-11-09, 09:49 PM
Where have all the Cadillac dealers gone?

Young Girls have picked them, every one.
Oh when will they ever learn? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_Have_All_the_Flowers_Gone%3F)

But I agree with Bro-Ham, Cadillac has lost it's appeal, style, and soul. Everything they make is dead, cold and mechanical and there is no more passion or love that people have for them. Cadillac today is just an expensive box that put in your drive way that says you can afford it and therefore are an important human.

But I'll go a step further and say that if you're think of buying a new car; don't. Buy a used classic and put a huge middle finger to the society that wants you to conform and change cars every three years.

But if you're looking for a dealership to service you Cadillacs... Your 95 has a Chevrolet engine, so you can take it to a Chevrolet dealership for engine service. For your 81; even a Cadillac dealership will be as clueless (if not more) about repairing it as a regular garage. Because the dealerships have to move so fast, and their technicians must learn new service techniques for each model year, they usually don't have technicians experienced with older cars.

Bro-Ham
12-11-09, 10:12 PM
My local Cadillac dealership service manager had to call his service department on the phone when I showed up in my 79 Cad to be sure his techs could change the oil on my car!!!!!! Amazing! They quickly told him YES and they shuttled my car off for its spa treatment. WOW!

bicentennialcadillac
12-11-09, 11:20 PM
http://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/2009-Cadillac-CTS-V-6.jpg

That's awesome. Not sure what you guys are smoking.

sven914
12-11-09, 11:47 PM
Not sure what you guys are smoking.

Crack.

But anyway... The new Cadillacs look alright. They do have some nice features and are flashy.

But all new cars, from every manufacture look the same. They all have the same aerodynamic lines, halogen headlamps lights, alloy wheels, lifeless interiors, and electronics in every imaginable place. There is no originality.

http://www.scutnet.com/images/2010-ford-fusion-front.jpg http://www.carzunlimited.com/uploads/side-1/Car-Styles/542/2009391522_2009_CHEVROLET_MALIBU_1.jpg http://jayautomotivemall.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/2010_toyota_camry_le.jpghttp://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/2009-Cadillac-CTS-V-6.jpg

They're all the same

GenrlRodes
12-12-09, 12:02 AM
There soon will barely be any Cadillac Dealers in the US....Cadillac is closing 1,000, yes, 1,000 dealerships of the 1,400. There are only to be two in Iowa. I have a PDF files showing all the Cadillac and Chevrolet dealers slated for the close, which I believe will be in October 2010.

csbuckn
12-12-09, 12:46 AM
Theres alot of bad things you can say about the new cars that are out now, I say it too. But the one thing that comes to mind everytime a thread like this comes along is what the great Bro-Ham said in the lounge..."Drive your big old American Cadillac and show this country some confidence"....or something like that.

greencadillacmatt
12-12-09, 03:18 AM
If I had the sort of cash for a new car, the new Cadillac would be at the top of my list. I agree, most modern cars don't have the soul or quite that same fire that the old one's did, but at least Cadillac has tried. They are the best looking (out of the above cars), have the nicest interiors, and are flashy (not always a good thing) but they can be stately too. I prefer the old cars, but Cadillac (in my opinion) is making some fine automobiles these days.

Bro-Ham
12-12-09, 03:37 AM
http://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/2009-Cadillac-CTS-V-6.jpg

That's awesome. Not sure what you guys are smoking.

Bi - I think Sven hit the nail on the head. Is that a Ford Focus GT? Never mind, I just noticed the Cadillac badge on it. If this car had a BMW badge on it then BMW dealerships would be closing their doors too. Getting prospective buyers smoking, as you apparently are, may be the key for Cadillac persuading buyers these new models are exciting. I can think of a whole number of other cars I'd buy if I were in the market for a special car. The car above isn't all that interesting and that's why Cadillac dealerships are evaporating.

Warren_R
12-12-09, 04:26 AM
We're down to two of them here in San Diego ... pretty dismal, when you consider a population of 1.8 million in SD county. IMHO, leaving behind the RWD beauties was the worst blunder GM ever made. Bro-Ham & Sven have it right -- homogenization is just fine for milk, but for automotive design? Fuhgeddaboutit.

TWasArroundHere
12-12-09, 08:44 AM
The last new car I bought was a 2006 Chrysler 300, as a daily driver. Never been a Mopar man, but its styling reminded me of the big cars from the old days I loved. And I'm proud- and surprised- to say that to this very day, I've never had a problem with it- and It just broke 85k. I do agree though, the interior is very lifeless- the only thing I like about it is the two-toned leather seats.

SilkySteve
12-12-09, 09:18 AM
I just took my '96 FWB in for service to one of the last remaining Cadillac dealers in Detroit, only to learn that they too are closing at the end of this year. As of 2010, there will be no Cadillac dealers in the City of Detroit, the birthplace of this brand!

Bro-Ham
12-12-09, 10:16 AM
Well, here in Florida there is an abundance of Cadillacs so there is still a Cadillac dealership in the, at best, medium sized city I live in. I do not know if it is going away but they already stuck the Saab franchise in the building. There is another Cadillac dealership less than 10 miles north, and last time I heard, there was one about 10 miles south. I have no clue what the future holds for these dealers but the local dealership here has a lot loaded with new Cads. Want a new Cadillac? Come to Florida! I'm just happy they can service my oldie.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-12-09, 10:27 AM
You guys are crazy! They're not closing down all those Cadillac dealers because demand dropped off! They're closing them because they want to make Cadillac a stand alone brand and not combine their showrooms/service departments with other GM brands. This will drive up the "Cadillac Exclusive" feeling and make the customers feel more proud and "better" than the other customers, which is key in the luxury field.

When you go to buy a Lexus (like you guys ever would), you never see Toyotas or Scions in the showroom. Why? Because Toyota knew from the get-go that the best way to keep a luxury buyer happy is by making them feel exclusive and pampered. Same with Audi (for the most part), they're usually never combined with VW. Cadillac wants to drive up the value of their cars and the Cadillac experience, so they're making it so Cadillac dealers can sell/service only Cadillac....no more Cadillac/Chevrolet or Cadillac/Buick, etc etc.

Yeah, sure in rural areas it's gonna suck because you can't get to a dealer easily, but that'll probably increase demand for Buick, which honestly you see more of in rural areas anyways. Always have.

It's a ballsy move on Cadillac's part, but I can see the logic behind it.

outsider
12-12-09, 10:46 AM
i'm not a huge fan of the new cadillacs... I'd drive one if it were given to me but I would never pay sticker price for one.

Bro-Ham
12-12-09, 10:47 AM
Chad, Now if Cadillac can make a product that will get the buyers excited enough to drive all the way over to those out of the way Cadillac dealerships you describe in your dreamland. There isn't a single vehicle in Cadillac's model line that I would buy if I were considering a luxury vehicle purchase today and I sure wouldn't drive 50 miles for the pleasure of even looking at one. If Cadillac can make some truly distinctive vehicles that can sell on their own without the rock and roll commercials I'd be half interested. Like the V8-6-4, HT4100, the Cimarron, the diesel powered Cadillac, the 1985 front drive deVille/Fleetwood, the 86 Eldo/Seville, and the Catera, thinning the flock of Cadillac dealerships in an attempt to appear exclusive when the cars still aren't all that remarkable will likely prove to be blunder. Cadillac dealerships have a marathon to run to get dealerships that even come close to Lexus. Then comes the challenge of building extraordinary cars. With that said, if Cadillac can come out with some new competition crushing vehicles that make our hearts pound in anticipation of their arrival at the dealserships and they figure out what they can't quite seem to do anymore, which is magic, then I'd say the gamble will have paid off. So, here we go again. It's an American company so I do wish them well. If they can sell me by creating desire for a Cadillac then everyone else will be easy.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-12-09, 11:02 AM
I'd rock an '09 CTS-V. Oh yes I very much would.

Bro-Ham
12-12-09, 02:10 PM
Chad, I bet a CTS-V is not even on your Christmas list. :) If it is, I bet it's pretty deep down near the bottom. :)

brougham
12-12-09, 02:14 PM
The Cadillac dealer near me just got a major renovation last year. They are con artists who do everything they can to rip you off for parts and service so I don't go there anyway and wouldn't care if they closed.
And I agree with sven914. Cadillacs look like any other car now. They aren't as recognizable as they used to be. Closing Cadillac dealers would only make them more prestigious because less people would buy them. Take Sandy for example. He's gotta be the biggest Cadillac fan around here but when he bought a new car he bought a Lincoln because the Cadillac dealer was too far away.

sven914
12-12-09, 02:16 PM
I do see the point in making Cadillac more exclusive. But erasing 1000 dealerships, and leaving only 400 to service the needs of entire nation is asinine. What Lexus, Audi, and BMW did to have exclusivity was to put their dealerships on a complex. You would have your Toyota dealer across the street form Lexus. They could have easily put the Cadillac dealership in the building next to the Chevrolet/GMC/Buick/Hummer/Pontiac, instead of erasing it completely. That would have given them the exclusiveness and made it so people could actually buy the Cadillac they see on T.V.

Another thing that Cadillac needs to do, before I'll personally believe in anything past 1996, is design a better car. I sorta, kinda, like the 2010 DTS in that it still sorta kinda looks like a Cadillac:

http://www.carzunlimited.com/uploads/side-1/Car-Styles/583/2009522921_2009_CADILLAC_DTS_1.jpg

But right now I wouldn't take one if someone had gun to my head. For me to want to buy it Cadillac must make a few changes. First they have to put it on a 121.5 wheel base, with a rear wheel drive chassis. It must have tail fins; not something extravagant like from the '50' but still something you can call tail fins. It has to be real chrome and that shiny plastic shit. Then they need to give the car a formal roof, with a real small rear window. And they need to give it the classic emblem with crown and the 6 ducks (it was so wrong to change the emblem). Yes and then change the name to FTS. Or better yet FBTS. Given all those aesthetics, and they would have a car I might think about buying.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-12-09, 08:27 PM
Chad, I bet a CTS-V is not even on your Christmas list. :) If it is, I bet it's pretty deep down near the bottom. :)

True, but only because there ain't no way in hell anyones buying one for me. I'd rather have a FWB.....more realistic.

flux1414
12-13-09, 11:05 AM
The car above isn't all that interesting and that's why Cadillac dealerships are evaporating.

That is the 2nd fastest sedan on the face of the planet, rivaled only by a Panamera which costs about $50K more. The CTS-V is a world class vehicle, an American muscle car in luxury trim that hands the competition their asses on a platter. I find that pretty interesting. Gone are the days of the luxo-barges we enjoy and that's the way things are with a market driven business. In the meantime however Cadillac is making smoking hot cars that are all American. I consider it a stroke of luck.

And are there all that many cars that look like this: ?

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/03/2008-Cadillac-CTS-Coupe-Concept.jpg

GenrlRodes
12-13-09, 11:35 AM
Here is a link that should open a PDF file all the Cadillac & Chevrolet dealers slated for closure....

http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009/10/Caddy-Chevy-Letters.pdf

jayoldschool
12-13-09, 01:14 PM
I'd love to see a CTS-V wagon...

http://www.autotrends.org/images/cadillac-cts-wagon-3.jpg

AElayyat
12-13-09, 02:41 PM
i'm not a huge fan of the new cadillacs... I'd drive one if it were given to me but I would never pay sticker price for one.

I second that. I also think their quality has taken a shit with the newer Caddys.

I'll stick to my RWD Broughams, last of the real Caddys (imo).

flux1414
12-13-09, 06:41 PM
I'd love to see a CTS-V wagon...

They're making it, if not MY2010 then MY2011 :D

With respect to quality, that's not an issue. The CTS and its variants have some of the best quality in their class:

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/Cadillac/2010

Bro-Ham
12-13-09, 07:14 PM
That is the 2nd fastest sedan on the face of the planet, rivaled only by a Panamera which costs about $50K more. The CTS-V is a world class vehicle, an American muscle car in luxury trim that hands the competition their asses on a platter. I find that pretty interesting. Gone are the days of the luxo-barges we enjoy and that's the way things are with a market driven business. In the meantime however Cadillac is making smoking hot cars that are all American. I consider it a stroke of luck.

And are there all that many cars that look like this: ?

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/03/2008-Cadillac-CTS-Coupe-Concept.jpg

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The car above appears to be the redesigned Honda Civic Coupe for 2010? Wait, there's that Cadillac badge again! It doesn't matter how fast any new Cadillac is as long as they are not special. I just can't see how very many people dream about owning one of these chopped up cartoon vehicles.

DopeStar 156
12-13-09, 07:46 PM
Crack.

But anyway... The new Cadillacs look alright. They do have some nice features and are flashy.

But all new cars, from every manufacture look the same. They all have the same aerodynamic lines, halogen headlamps lights, alloy wheels, lifeless interiors, and electronics in every imaginable place. There is no originality.

http://www.scutnet.com/images/2010-ford-fusion-front.jpg http://www.carzunlimited.com/uploads/side-1/Car-Styles/542/2009391522_2009_CHEVROLET_MALIBU_1.jpg http://jayautomotivemall.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/2010_toyota_camry_le.jpghttp://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/2009-Cadillac-CTS-V-6.jpg

They're all the same

Are you blind?

sven914
12-13-09, 07:49 PM
The CTS-V is a world class vehicle, an American muscle car in luxury trim that hands the competition their asses on a platter. I find that pretty interesting.

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/03/2008-Cadillac-CTS-Coupe-Concept.jpg

Interesting from the stand point of boring is still mundane.

Tell me, when you look at that car, how does it make you feel? Do you get the same feeling that you get when you look a beautiful woman? A woman who you love and who loves you in the same way. Do you want to drive that car for the pure passion of driving it, and then spend hours looking at it and going over ever line with your eyes?

Or it is that you see the car as the second fastest sedan, a true American muscle car, with the luxury of Cadillac? Do you get the same feeling for it as for someone in a professional business relationship; you love only what she can give you, which is power, recognition, and prestige? Does the car serve the same purpose as a whore on the street that yells, "I suck you dick for a dollar," in that they will only give you a few minutes of fleeting pleasure? Would you want that with your best friend? If not, then why would you want that with your car?

And to Dopestar: Only as much as you.

DopeStar 156
12-13-09, 08:06 PM
http://i.ebayimg.com/24/!BZYUJh!!Wk~$(KGrHgoOKjsEjlLmUU31BKmcdem6R!~~_3.JP G
http://i2.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/27/e0/2957_12.JPG
http://i5.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/60/ed/f863_12.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/79-81_Chrysler_New_Yorker_5th_Avenue.jpg

If you ask me, these all have the same generic look, but I like some, and I dislike some. I used to turn my nose up at newer cars a few years ago but they've come a long way now. I love my '05 STS, it's a great car and I enjoy driving it as much as I do my classics. They're in no way similar, but they're on the same level of excellance, just on different sides of the fence. Don't be closed minded, you'll miss out on a lotta different experiences......

csbuckn
12-13-09, 08:26 PM
Would you rather buy that new little coupe up their or a 2010 RWD fleetwood brougham? I think that Cadillac makes better cars but they still look like the rest. The coupe is nice but the Infinity coupe will probably have a decent answer. I just cant put Cadillac and muscle car in the same sentence(just this one). And when I think muscle car, I think metal bumpers.

flux1414
12-13-09, 09:22 PM
Tell me, when you look at that car, how does it make you feel? Do you get the same feeling that you get when you look a beautiful woman? A woman who you love and who loves you in the same way. Do you want to drive that car for the pure passion of driving it, and then spend hours looking at it and going over ever line with your eyes?

Hmmm, yup.

Bro-Ham
12-13-09, 09:25 PM
Dope - You're a dope. All those cars so posted by you are copies of the ingenius GM full sized car design of 1977. It took a crash redesign by Ford and Chrysler who came out with their GM clones in 1979. It took Lincoln until 1980 because they believed size was what sold - it didn't. The success of the 1977 GM cars was seen as so huge that GM was reluctant to change much from the model and innovation ceased as they rested on their laurels. Then the decline in design and styling and then catch up followed by applying hacked up design to blandly named cars in hopes of luring buy-American types to at least consider these cars is what we're living through today. The sad thing the new Cadillacs don't excite or create a genuine passion. No one loves these new cars Cadillac makes. If Cadillac can design, style, and engineer a truly magnificent car then we will know it because not only will us Cadillac loyalists want it but so will everyone else!

Bro-Ham
12-13-09, 09:35 PM
Dope, I'm sorry, after I called you a dope I meant to put one of these: :)

jayoldschool
12-13-09, 09:37 PM
I'm with Dave! Also, re-size your huge pics, please. I hate side-scrolling to read, and I'm sure that I am not the only one...

http://image.motortrend.com/f/30086967+w750/1977-car-of-the-year-chevrolet-caprice.jpg

bicentennialcadillac
12-13-09, 10:25 PM
The BS in this thread is getting deep.

I don't need to pretend that the new Cadillacs suck just to prove how much I like the vintage stuff.

Bro-Ham
12-13-09, 10:53 PM
Bi, There are deniers. New Cadillacs don't necessarily, as you say, suck, although the brand isn't setting the luxury car market on fire nor rebuilding the luxury car sales empire they once dominated with zillions of dealerships and segment conquering sales. I just can't think of anyone I know who honestly is in love with any new Cadillacs these days. I want Cadillac to be the BEST! I don't happen to believe the current offerings are anything special and that's why there will be so few dealerships. Other than the defense of the CTS-V as being a hot rod, I don't think I've ever seen one, and I live in car crazy Florida, and no one can seem to make an argument why the marvelous new Cadillacs of today are so remarkably different, innovative, and class leading in a great many important luxury car aspects. Cadillac can have a true re-birth and it's time to step to the beat of a different drummer and, perhaps, paying homage to some of the rich successes of the past may inspire a new breed of Cadillacs that sets the standard rather than follows it with some icky, unclassy, looks like a jr. high schooler doodled it up in study hall type of vehicles we are seeing now. Magic can and will happen and Cadillac can, and hopefully will, be king of the hill again! :) Viva Cadillac!

Bro-Ham
12-13-09, 10:58 PM
Jay, I second that on the side to side scrolling. Please be kind enough to post your pictures with courtesy to others otherwise I take back my :) and I'll replace it by calling Dope a pig. :) :) Dave :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-13-09, 11:07 PM
We're a great bunch of Cadillac enthusiasts. We like the old stuff most, so in my opinion we're more diehard than your typical Cadillac "fan" whom only buys the new and current stuff, not caring about the stuff of their history, a history rich with a great line of fine cars filled with a distinct and wholesome pedigree. We're mad that the Cadillacs we like are long dead (me too, I'd kill for a brand new '83 Fleetwood Brougham Coupe D'Elegance), but we need to recognize that Cadillac needs to build the stuff they currently are to keep competitive and stay alive. I myself am not a big fan of Cadillac's "Art and Science" theme that debuted about 10 years ago, but it's a corporate look that's shared through the model line and it sticks out. You'll never mistake an STS for a 5 Series. Cadillacs have always had their own look and stuck out. Today is no different when you look at the big picture. :)

Bro-Ham
12-13-09, 11:24 PM
Chad, That was quite a passionate argument about the greatness of Cadillac these days. So, they make basically poopy but OK cars that don't look like the envy of the class and you'd rather have a fantasy brand new 1983 Cadillac with an HT4100?! Come on! Do you want average or do you dare to dream of greatness!?!? You'd be leading the parade of the riptide of excitement if you had half a thought the new Cads were so incredible. They're not. No one is chanting or excited. Cadillac dealerships are closing. You drive a Buick. barack obama is President. The world's gotta change for the better and it will. Hopefully Cadillac will be along with us for the ride back to the top! :)

Bro-Ham
12-13-09, 11:31 PM
One more thing, does anyone like the "new" Camaro? Everyone I know thinks they are HOT! Please don't tell me that a design going back to the successful roots of a powerhouse design doesn't sell. Cadillac has got to have better tricks up its sleeves than art and Scion.

sven914
12-13-09, 11:37 PM
... we need to recognize that Cadillac needs to build the stuff they currently are to keep competitive and stay alive. I myself am not a big fan of Cadillac's "Art and Science" theme that debuted about 10 years ago, but it's a corporate look that's shared through the model line and it sticks out. You'll never mistake an STS for a 5 Series. Cadillacs have always had their own look and stuck out. Today is no different when you look at the big picture. :)

But going back to the main topic of this thread... How is Cadillac keeping themselves competitive by making themselves more obscure? I personally think that trimming the herd is a last ditch effort in (dis)proving that Cadillac still belongs among the GM family. If they drop down to a few hundred dealerships nation wide, then GM can say after a few years that Cadillac sales have drastically dropped, and therefore there is no need to carry the brand. They'll go the way of Oldsmobile and Saturn.

Lamborghini and Ferrari are legendary cars, which is why unattainability works for their sales. Cadillac is a rival to Lincoln and Chrysler, which can be found at their respective Ford and Dodge dealerships. Mercedes and Volvo are on a superior level to Cadillac, yet can also be bought alongside Dodges or Fords at the dealership. If exclusiveness does not apply even to Mercedes or Volvo, then what makes Cadillac so special.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-13-09, 11:43 PM
I love the new Camaro. Sexy as hell. Cadillac needs to build something that can pull off the vintage look like that.

IMO, the peak of Cadillac's design was the early '80s. I love the big, square, formal looking Fleetwoods and deVilles, the wonderfully proportioned Eldorado, and the *cough* unforgettable Seville. Lots of chrome, leather, (fake) wood and class! They said "I've made it, I WANT to own this car and I don't give two shits who doesn't like it." They were just as intimidating and in your face as their La Cosa Nostra owners were. Too bad they had such garbage engines. My dream Cadillac would be an '83 FWBC D'Elegance with a modern OHV fuel injected V8 (whether it be 5.7, 6.0, 6.2, 7.4 or 8.1) and a slightly more sport-oriented suspension. I want a Cadillac that looks like it was designed in the time that Reagan was in office, but runs and drives like a car designed now does.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-13-09, 11:46 PM
Mercedes and Volvo are on a superior level to Cadillac, yet can also be bought alongside Dodges or Fords at the dealership. If exclusiveness does not apply even to Mercedes or Volvo, then what makes Cadillac so special.

Where have you ever seen Mercedes sold with Dodge or Ford? All the Merc dealers around here are alone or sold with BMW or Porsche. There was a Nissan/Mercedes dealer but Mercedes said "no no" to that and had the franchise build a new, totally seperate building out back and house the Nissan in there and then they renovated the Mercedes building to be more in line with Mercedes' vision.

Same with Volvo, all exclusive. There are three Volvo dealers in Minnesota, all exclusive and all owned by the Borton family.

Bro-Ham
12-13-09, 11:55 PM
Funny, like the Camaro did you ever think Cadillac has more of a chance at a market by doing your dream '83 Fleetwood Coupe than with what they're doing now? Imagine a thoroughly modern '83 Fleetwood Brougham Coupe, in the style of a modern Camaro. Long, low, lovely, sexy, unique, attractive glitz, and, my favorite, "interiors styled after fine furniture." That last line was how Cadillac always used to describe some of the finer details of the interiors of their cars. Now, imagine this "new" car with steel bumpers, a fire breathing yet efficient engine, like the Camaro, and I bet this car would catch the eye of every young buyer who wanted something so retro and cool and every old fart who wanted to live the dream of when Cadillacs were Cadillacs and the natural car that should be drooled over in showrooms. :) Let's get back the magic!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-13-09, 11:59 PM
I like how you think.

Bro-Ham
12-14-09, 12:04 AM
Chad, sorry to beat you up, there is a real world out there beyond Minneapolis and Mercedes dealerships are paired up with some other brands, especially in smaller markets. Here in Florida it's very common. I didn't see any of the three Cadillac dealerships near me on the "list" of closings. The three dealerships are all within a 20 mile stretch of the same road. The local Cad dealer also has Saab. Oh, and the Volvo dealership in my town has Infiniti right in the same building and their signs are one on top of the other - literally. PLUS, we have a VW/Audi dealership under the same roof. And the Chevy dealership sells GMC's too. Nissan is with Hyunday. Jaguar is with stupid - I mean smart. Lincoln with Mercury, of course. Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep also has Subaru - in the same building. Stand alones here are Mercedes, Acura, Lexus, Toyota, Honda, BMW, Land Rover, maybe more but that's all I can think of.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-14-09, 12:08 AM
Understood, but usually you'll see a luxury brand paired up with another luxury brand. Never anything like Saab/Daewoo. :lol: Well, atleast I hope not...

Bro-Ham
12-14-09, 12:23 AM
Don't be so sure - when I drive up north to Minneapolis twice a year to pick up/drop off my beagles with the X, I always pass the Mercedes dealer in Gainesville, FL, home of the gators, and it is paired with Subaru - under the same roof. It happens.

Bro-Ham
12-14-09, 12:35 AM
My favorite slew of car franchises under one roof is about 40 miles north of me in Pinnellas Park, FL: Dew Cadillac Rolls-Royce Bentley Lotus. They ditched the Hummer franchise and turned the Hummer wing into a luxury car mecca. This dealership is one of the most beautiful properties I have ever seen! :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-14-09, 08:05 AM
Theres a Mazda/Maserati/Bentley dealer in Wayzata.

Stingroo
12-14-09, 09:02 AM
My dad used to work for a Mazda/Audi/VW/Lamborghini/Porsche dealership when I was 10. Man, I remember going with my mom to do dealer trades for them. Usually basic stuff, like trading a Miata from their lot for a Millenia somewhere down in Miami, but every once in awhile you got to do a reeeally good one. Once, we went down in a Ferrari F355 and came back in a Lamborghini Diablo. Most entertaining trip in my entire life, I think. Even though my mom isn't one to be a lead-foot, just sitting in those cars was incredible.

sven914
12-14-09, 02:34 PM
Around here we have two Mercedes dealerships. One has the Mercedes/Volvo/Jaguar dealership down the street form Their Chrysler/Mazda/VW building, but its under the same name. The other one has other one has Mercedes in the same building as Toyota.

But there's my point. Why does Cadillac need special dealerships that only handle Cadillac? They could be put in a special part of the building (like next to Mercedes or Jaguar) and still be exclusive without being obscure.

Bro-Ham
12-15-09, 03:57 PM
I see Mustangs here in FL. Everyone remarks about them. Camaros are universally admired by everyone I know. The new Cadillacs are hardly never noticed or talked about. All the excitement over the Fleetwood Talisman thread tells me the rebirth of American exceptionalism in automobiles is the next step towards our renewed optimism and passion for our futures. The Camaro version of a new Cadillac WILL SELL. That means going back to Caddie's roots. Greatness. Anyone who thinks it won't work can sit and justify what we're seeing from Cadillac will somehow be the answer but it's not and no one is passionate about it. But I don't think anyone could ever love a BMW or Lexus as much as they could love the ultimate all American luxury car done right. Does Cadillac have the lower male anatomy to make it happen? :) Let's hope so! Then the dealers will be on fire! :)

DopeStar 156
12-18-09, 03:58 AM
Here ya go. A slow day at work so I designed the Cadillac FLS.....

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/DopeStar156/fls.jpg

Ya welcome....

Bro-Ham
12-18-09, 10:59 AM
Dope, very handy with the pen and paper there! Your drawing is about the way all new Cadillacs look to my eyes: like they were designed by an amateur bored at work or school. Cadillac needs to ditch these dumb alphabetic names too. The name "FLS" gets me about as excited as a bowl of oatmeal. The current Cadillac model names say so much of nothing! The current styling is atrocious and has got to change to something tasteful, elegant, and classic. Soon. :)

sven914
12-18-09, 01:37 PM
Well it does kinda look like he gave it an angled egg-crate grill, a hood ornament (based off the new design), and those ultra thin tail-fins (from the 9th gen Cadillacs?). I'd like to see more old and less new, but it's a start.

DopeStar 156
12-18-09, 11:52 PM
I could've given it bigger tails, opera lamps, skirts, and LED lamp monitors but I thought I'd make it marketable with what their current trend is. It's not a real Fleetwood Brougham reincarnate, it's a competetor for the BMW 7 series and whatever the big Benz is called.....

Bro-Ham
12-19-09, 05:01 PM
The Cadillacs of today, of "current trend" as you say, clearly aren't competitive with the 7-Series, S-Class or Lexus LS. There is no excellence in design, engineering, or craftsmanship so drawing more cars against the template of Cadillac's "current trend" aren't going to get Cadillac into a leadership position any time soon.