: Sorry my fellow Cadillac forum friends



1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 12:37 AM
If I have acted strange and perhaps unpolite lately, it's just..... without my beautiful Cadillac I have been a little bit down. The 2 months away from it are really taking its toll. I hope all of you can forgive me for any offense I brought you. I finally got on the body shop's ass about it and they'll start painting this weekend they said. In about 3 weeks my love shall return. I will once again give you all my sincerest apologies for my actions.

Jesda
12-05-09, 02:30 AM
TURN THAT FROWN
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UPSIDE DOWN

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-05-09, 08:28 AM
Don't click that link, it's worse than being Rick Roll'd.

1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 11:15 AM
Don't click that link, it's worse than being Rick Roll'd.

I offer a sincere apology and I get a childish response?

hueterm
12-05-09, 11:54 AM
Is your name Jesda?

hueterm
12-05-09, 11:55 AM
And yes, Chad -- it's very annoying...

Jesda
12-05-09, 12:27 PM
I offer a sincere apology and I get a childish response?

Just relax.

Gonna be okay.

Da doo doo doop.

Stingroo
12-05-09, 12:49 PM
Truthfully, it's nowhere near as bad as being Rick Rolled.

And to contribute to the thread:

:yawn:

1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 12:51 PM
If you're going to treat me like this I might as well become a troll. I have plenty of experience.

V-Eight
12-05-09, 01:07 PM
Settle down bud, we all joke around here

Rolex
12-05-09, 01:18 PM
The internetz are srs business. U guise chill. :rolleyes:

1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 01:22 PM
Settle down bud, we all joke around here

It's hard to tell sarcasm on the internet lol... But yeah, I'm just upset over my car. It's ridiculous. I don't even think I will remember how to drive it.... I'm going to need to get used to those power drum brakes.... Again.....

hueterm
12-05-09, 01:50 PM
For those too young to remember it the first time around:

YouTube- Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up

1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 02:08 PM
For those too young to remember it the first time around:

YouTube- Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOU8GIRUd_g)

I prefer Shoop
YouTube- THE LAZER COLLECTION

Jesda
12-05-09, 03:02 PM
Were a pretty easy going group of people. Theres too much serious stuff in the world -- best to joke around as much as you can.

Night Wolf
12-05-09, 03:34 PM
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1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 04:18 PM
Were a pretty easy going group of people. Theres too much serious stuff in the world -- best to joke around as much as you can.

Too true my brother. I'd be more laid back if my car wasn't being delayed. 4 different people were asked by the shop to do the car and guess how many have done it?

V-Eight
12-05-09, 04:34 PM
What's being done exactly?

1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 04:43 PM
What's being done exactly?

Everything up to the priming, sanding, and then painting.

77CDV
12-05-09, 04:52 PM
Were a pretty easy going group of people. Theres too much serious stuff in the world -- best to joke around as much as you can.

Amen to that!:yup:

1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 04:55 PM
Amen to that!:yup:

You know what I never understood? The fact the 500 Cadillac engine later in its life had less HP than my 429, why?

greencadillacmatt
12-05-09, 05:06 PM
Lower compression, a TON of emissions equipment, and less rumpity camshafts. It's sad that they killed the power of those monstrosities.

1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 05:17 PM
Lower compression, a TON of emissions equipment, and less rumpity camshafts. It's sad that they killed the power of those monstrosities.

I read something that said that, near the end of the 500 engine's use, it traveled at "parade float speed"

V-Eight
12-05-09, 05:20 PM
Lower compression, a TON of emissions equipment, and less rumpity camshafts. It's sad that they killed the power of those monstrosities.

How much gain do you think you could get taking off just the emissions equipment?

1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 05:21 PM
How much gain do you think you could get taking off just the emissions equipment?

Probably a little bit more but by that time the 500 engine only made 190 horsepower which.... Really isn't that much....

Stingroo
12-05-09, 05:39 PM
It wouldn't be 190 if measured today.

And in all fairness, 190-200hp is plenty in most vehicles. You'd be surprised.

V-Eight
12-05-09, 06:01 PM
And in all fairness, 190-200hp is plenty in most vehicles. You'd be surprised.

Not out of a 500.

1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 06:34 PM
Not out of a 500.

My 429 makes 340 brake horsepower. Its wheels only get like 210 horsepower so it just goes to show....

V-Eight
12-05-09, 06:47 PM
It'd probably tear shit up with an upgraded drive train.

1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 07:05 PM
It'd probably tear shit up with an upgraded drive train.

I'm going to keep it original, 122 is a good max speed.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-05-09, 07:21 PM
It wouldn't be 190 if measured today.

And in all fairness, 190-200hp is plenty in most vehicles. You'd be surprised.

200hp out of a 500 cubic inch V-8 is just sad. No offence, as they were a great engine, but by today's standards, that output is the suck. Today's engines are putting out roughly 1 horsepower for cubic inch, so a 500 cid engine should be putting down 500 hp, with today's technologies, none of which were readily available or advanced enough by 1975.

I dunno why I'm comparing an engine built in 1975 to stuff from today. I guess it's just funny to see how much things have changed in the last 34 years.

Stingroo
12-05-09, 07:58 PM
Well TECHNICALLY the first engine to achieve one horsepower per cubic inch was the Chevy small block in the 1957 Corvette. But yeah.

1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 08:01 PM
Well TECHNICALLY the first engine to achieve one horsepower per cubic inch was the Chevy small block in the 1957 Corvette. But yeah.

I read or heard it was the Hemi that accomplished that first and that was by the old gross rating standards.... Anyway my 429 has plenty of power so I won't complain. I am not trying to race anyway.

gary88
12-05-09, 08:01 PM
190hp is standard fare for you average four cylinder econobox today.

1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 08:07 PM
190hp is standard fare for you average four cylinder econobox today.

I think it's more like 140 because my great titan of a caddy only has about 210 by modern standards.

Stingroo
12-05-09, 08:23 PM
Agreed; a "standard" econobox would get like 140-150. An upper model is the 190-200 range. (like Civic Si, Golf GTi, etc).

ejguillot
12-05-09, 08:34 PM
Probably a little bit more but by that time the 500 engine only made 190 horsepower which.... Really isn't that much....

Correction: A LOT more, if I remember the magazine article I read correctly. It was in Hot Rod or a similar magazine.

The article was about building up a Cadillac 500 engine, and to start they put it on the dyno as it was installed in the car. They got about 195hp.

Then they stripped away all the emissions equipment, leaving everything else. Next dyno pull netted just over 300hp.

a 50% gain for removing the emissions equipment is huge!

Stingroo
12-05-09, 09:21 PM
Not to mention that 300 horses is quite nice. :)

77CDV
12-05-09, 09:47 PM
I think it's more like 140 because my great titan of a caddy only has about 210 by modern standards.

But by 1976, they'd already gone to net HP ratings, so 190 really is 190. Gross HP is probably around 250ish.

1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 09:47 PM
Correction: A LOT more, if I remember the magazine article I read correctly. It was in Hot Rod or a similar magazine.

The article was about building up a Cadillac 500 engine, and to start they put it on the dyno as it was installed in the car. They got about 195hp.

Then they stripped away all the emissions equipment, leaving everything else. Next dyno pull netted just over 300hp.

a 50% gain for removing the emissions equipment is huge!

But my 1964 Cadillac only has about 206 Net Horsepower..... And I doubt it has any emission equipment. It can't be that big of a difference between a 429 and a 500, especially when the 500 has a lower compression.

1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 09:49 PM
But by 1976, they'd already gone to net HP ratings, so 190 really is 190. Gross HP is probably around 250ish.

I was talking about the horsepower of a modern 4 cylinder engine.

V-Eight
12-05-09, 10:52 PM
What's gross vs net in terms of HP?

1964CoupeDeville
12-05-09, 11:00 PM
What's gross vs net in terms of HP?

Gross horsepower is how much the engine makes, net is how much make it to the crankshaft

Stingroo
12-05-09, 11:14 PM
Right. Gross horsepower is basically just the engine and its components, no water pump, etc. that drain power from it. PERSONALLY though, I think all countries and standards of measurement should measure horsepower at the wheels. Period. I don't care if it produces non-rounded numbers, it's THE MOST accurate way to do it, and it's what really matters.

V-Eight
12-05-09, 11:14 PM
Ok, and that's still over-rating, because that doesn't take drivetrain loss into account. How did they measure gross HP?

1964CoupeDeville
12-06-09, 01:26 AM
Ok, and that's still over-rating, because that doesn't take drivetrain loss into account. How did they measure gross HP?

They measure the power of the engine.

Night Wolf
12-06-09, 01:28 AM
I find a proper (ie: manual trans) ~150hp 4cyl to be quite pleasurable to drive...

My '79 DeVille's 425 produced 180hp/325tq.... really didn't produce enough power for it's size, the modified intake manifold, rebuilt Qudrajet and carb spacer helped a bit, but still, tied to a lethargic 3-speed, it wasn't exactly the most fun big block to drive. Overall tho, it was a fun car, in a very different way them the current vehicles.

Possibly more sad was the 140hp/255tq Olds 307. In the late 80's a Pontiac Sunbird had fuel injection, but a premium top line Cadillac had a carburator?

V-Eight
12-06-09, 11:10 AM
They measure the power of the engine.

I know lol, but I meant physically how did they do it? Because net would be using a brake, I assume?

1964CoupeDeville
12-06-09, 01:41 PM
I know lol, but I meant physically how did they do it? Because net would be using a brake, I assume?

They probably measure it at the engine block.. The net horsepower is calculated at the crankshaft.

eldorado99
12-06-09, 01:59 PM
Still measured using brake methods: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower)

"Prior to the 1972 model year, American automakers rated and advertised their engines in brake horsepower (bhp), frequently referred to as SAE gross horsepower, because it was measured in accord with the protocols defined in SAE standards J245 and J1995. As with other brake horsepower test protocols, SAE gross hp was measured using a stock test engine, generally running with few belt-driven accessories and sometimes fitted with long tube (test headers) in lieu of the OEM exhaust manifolds. The atmospheric correction standards for barometric pressure, humidity and temperature for testing were relatively idealistic."

"In the United States, the term bhp fell into disuse in 1971-72, as automakers began to quote power in terms of SAE net horsepower in accord with SAE standard J1349. Like SAE gross and other brake horsepower protocols, SAE Net hp is measured at the engine's crankshaft, and so does not account for transmission losses. However, the SAE net hp testing protocol calls for standard production-type belt-driven accessories, air cleaner, emission controls, exhaust system, and other power-consuming accessories. This produces ratings in closer alignment with the power produced by the engine as it is actually configured and sold."

1964CoupeDeville
12-06-09, 02:04 PM
Still measured using brake methods: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower)

"Prior to the 1972 model year, American automakers rated and advertised their engines in brake horsepower (bhp), frequently referred to as SAE gross horsepower, because it was measured in accord with the protocols defined in SAE standards J245 and J1995. As with other brake horsepower test protocols, SAE gross hp was measured using a stock test engine, generally running with few belt-driven accessories and sometimes fitted with long tube (test headers) in lieu of the OEM exhaust manifolds. The atmospheric correction standards for barometric pressure, humidity and temperature for testing were relatively idealistic."

"In the United States, the term bhp fell into disuse in 1971-72, as automakers began to quote power in terms of SAE net horsepower in accord with SAE standard J1349. Like SAE gross and other brake horsepower protocols, SAE Net hp is measured at the engine's crankshaft, and so does not account for transmission losses. However, the SAE net hp testing protocol calls for standard production-type belt-driven accessories, air cleaner, emission controls, exhaust system, and other power-consuming accessories. This produces ratings in closer alignment with the power produced by the engine as it is actually configured and sold."

My Caddy's engine creates 340 horsepower and gets to keep about 206 of it by the wheels. That's not bad.

osu411yamaha
12-07-09, 09:24 PM
Were a pretty easy going group of people.

LOL. If "were" refers to the majority of the lounge then let me change that to LMAO.

Stingroo
12-07-09, 10:10 PM
LOL. If "were" refers to the majority of the lounge then let me change that to LMAO.

I would LMAO as well if this weren't 110% pure flame bait.

osu411yamaha
12-07-09, 10:41 PM
I would LMAO as well if this weren't 110% pure flame bait.
Sorry, I need to brush up on my forumonics a bit. Can you define "flame bait" for me?

eldorado99
12-07-09, 10:45 PM
Sorry, I need to brush up on my forumonics a bit. Can you define "flame bait" for me?

He's saying that your post is there purely to rile people up maliciously. I must say that does seem to be the theme of your posts lately.

Florian
12-07-09, 10:53 PM
no worries.


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osu411yamaha3
12-07-09, 11:26 PM
no worries.


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No worries. Always a back up plan. Does F=foxnewsforums.com?

Florian
12-08-09, 12:26 AM
no worries, indeed:

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pony up!


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Stingroo
12-08-09, 01:10 AM
Really? That's in the TOS? I skipped that part, as I've never been banned from a forum before. lol

Wow. osu owes some serious coin. :p

osu411yamaha
12-08-09, 02:13 AM
He's saying that your post is there purely to rile people up maliciously. I must say that does seem to be the theme of your posts lately.
My intention with my comment was not to rile up or be malicious in any manner. I was actually playing a long with the theme of the thread, but I can understand after all my serious comments on here today how it could have been taken wrong. My apologies.


no worries, indeed:

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pony up!


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Do I make the $10k check payable to you or Sal? LOL. Anyway, I have talked to Lord Cadillac and we have resolved all issues.


Really? That's in the TOS? I skipped that part, as I've never been banned from a forum before. lol

Wow. osu owes some serious coin. :p
LOL you're so gullible stingroo!!!!

CIWS
12-08-09, 06:54 AM
Really? That's in the TOS? I skipped that part, as I've never been banned from a forum before. lol

Wow. osu owes some serious coin. :p

It's not an issue. If you commit an infraction that gets you banned, simply stay that way until the ban is removed. That's for the boneheads who don't. :)

Stingroo
12-08-09, 07:24 AM
lol I would be gullible, but it actually is in the TOS. I found it funny, actually. :p

osu411yamaha
12-08-09, 07:35 AM
lol I would be gullible, but it actually is in the TOS. I found it funny, actually. :p

LOL it is in there. I thought he was kidding. Now that is funny.

Stingroo
12-08-09, 09:23 AM
Looks like we might be able to get that new server after all. Here's to more PM storage. ;)

osu411yamaha
12-08-09, 09:43 AM
Looks like we might be able to get that new server after all. Here's to more PM storage. ;)
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12-08-09, 10:39 AM
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Rolex
12-08-09, 10:52 AM
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12-08-09, 12:52 PM
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1964CoupeDeville
12-09-09, 12:01 AM
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