A letter sent to C&D magazine prompted me to start this thread. The writer mentioned that the Ford GT puts up similar numbers but costs a third of the Carrera GT's price ($150k vs. $450k). He also mentioned how the Porsche is nothing more than a show car for the super rich. However, I didn't need this letter to confirm that Ford is sitting on a gold mine with the GT. What do you guys think? If given the choice between the two (can't have both), which would you take?

I like the low-wide stance of the Ford, and it just seems more exotic to me. You see Porsches everywhere, so I vote Ford GT.

i like the ford too. :hmm: i wonder if i am feeling ok? i just said i liked a ford :canttalk:

Carrera GT:
Horsepower: 558
Torque: 442
0-60 mph: 4 sec
0-100 mph: 9.1 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.4 sec @ 116 mph
Skidpad: .99g
Top Speed: 205 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 115 ft
Slalom Speed: 68.5 mph

Ford GT:
Horsepower: 500
Torque: 500
0-60 mph: 3.8 sec
0-100 mph: 8.8 sec
Quarter Mile: 11.7 sec @ 122 mph
Skidpad: 1.00g
Top Speed: 205 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 117 ft
Slalom Speed: 69.5 mph

Wow.. thats a tight one... GT's higher torque number pays off. Im a sucker for a Carrera GT though, so that'd be my pick. Top Gear loved them both... their main driver Clarkson thought the Carrera GT was very traditional, and designed very well. But when he test drove the Ford GT, he ended up actually buying one!

Both videos of the drives (low download speeds-caution):
http://www.sleepy-fish.com/sleepy/TopGear_FordGT_hi.wmv
http://www.sleepy-fish.com/sleepy/Top_Gear_Porsche_Carrera_GT_hi.wmv

I'd take the GT myself.

Id take the Carrera GT, nothing like an all carbonfiver body, and making it a twin turbo

Ford GT........of course............easily a company such as Saleen or Rousch can change out the pully and make an additional 50hp and TQ............The Ford GT has a classic style that in my opinion will never wear off........im already tired of the Porsche (or according to that same mag "Seinfeld").

I can also believe driving the GT all the time not just once or twice a month......its mechanics and such make it a much (cant believe Im saying this) more realiable super car.

Porsche Carrera GT of course.

I don't like the design of the Ford GT and the Porsche is beautiful. Hell, the Porsche is better in just about every way.

I'll wait until spring and get the 500 h.p. Z06 and buy a Tahoe for my daily driver with the change! ;)

To me, the GT doesnt look like it could be used everyday.. whereas the Carrera GT..... mmmmmmmm. Id drive it in the snow even. lol.

I'd take the Carrera GT. This is NOT a Porsche you see on the street every day - or every year even... I don't care which one is faster. I love the looks of the Carerra. And, I'd feel better with that Porsche insignia than the Ford oval. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Ford - but, to me, it's kinda like owning a Kia Amanti. It's a hell of a nice car - but it's got a big "KIA" logo on it...

Porsche Carrera GT of course.

I don't like the design of the Ford GT and the Porsche is beautiful. Hell, the Porsche is better in just about every way.

better in every way...... except performance.

I'd take the Ford GT if I was gonna have to drive it, but if I could pick one to sell it would be the Porsche...

Hell I'd make my own car for that much $$ though.

Anyone interested in a Cerrera GT......I can get u one for $455,000....90miles

Im surprised their not going for more then that....like the Enzo.

Actually Chuck, you could have included the Viper? That would probably be my first choice considering the power you get for the money. The other two seem more exotic, yes, even the Ford. :hmm:

Ill take the all new Shelby GT Cobra :D

No seriously, unless the Shelby comes out into production... FORD GT for the money ALL THE WAY, but cost no object?... The Porsche.

Although, the reigning Porsche's of history have been six cylinder cars, this is a 10 cylinder engine, which isnt hard to get 500hp out of.

Now that you mention it.........what was the purpose for Porsche to choose a V10 over what they currently could have made........they could have easily gotten the HP #'s from their flat 6's.

The class in which they were targeting typically run with V10 or larger engines.
It's the same logic why Cadillac started making V6 engines, but in in reverse....
When you're introducing a new car, you want it to match the market-segment it is targeted at, so you avoid confusion...

I thought that this carrera still had the flat Six? :confused:

You'r kidding right?

Spend over 100K for a redo of a 60's car, I'd go with the new one,


Porsche all the way.

I think that they need a supercar with a bigger engine then there 6 so that they can enter in different classes of raceing. GTS class of LeMans maybe? When I was at Sebring, they had a carrera GT with twin turbos sticking out of the back, guy said it was making 1100hp easy. Just wish I took a picture :banghead:

I think this was the car you were looking at SlickV.. the 917/30

http://www.fast-autos.net/porsche/917303.jpg

thats not it, it was a silver carrera GT, the only thing different about it was the two huge turbos showing from the back

The Carrera GT is beautiful and while it started life as a proposed LeMans car, the bodywork is much more elegant than what is normally seen in the GTS class:

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/4/web/556000-556999/556650_1_full.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/1104200312430133.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/1104200312430281.jpg


Car&Driver Review:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=7366

The Ford GT is crude and ugly in comparison:

http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/images/photo_gallery/ph_gt_popup_4.jpg

http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/images/photo_gallery/ph_gt_popup_5.jpg

http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/images/photo_gallery/ph_gt_popup_10.jpg

Bite your tongue girl! :lildevil: Those pics made me want the GT more! I'll take the red and white GT, I'm feeling patriotic tonite. :worship:

Then again, Natties hair would blow in the wind with that Porsche. :hmm: :)

Nope, GT.

I'll take the Ford GT any old day. Ford did spend thousands restyling and enginering the GT (a Le Mans winner in the 60's), and got there moneys worth. The GT is a classic brought back to life. It runs head-to-head with cars like the Enzo and Porsche, and does it for a few hundred grand less.

The Porsche GT is a beautiful car, though every other Porsche on the road look identical to each other (to me).

Yep, if I had a couple of million to piss away I'd take the Ford over the Porsche. JMO

I love Porsche, Not a fan of Ford. But you can't say the GT is ugly, its classic muscular american style that can't be mistaken for something else. The carrera going by: "hmm was that a boxter? maybe a 911?" Where the ford is more "Thats a FORD???" I think that there both beatiful cars, but the GT gets my vote everytime, the style is truly timeless....

Ford GT... No contest... Classic German engineering vs. Classic American grunt. Just gotta be patriotic on this one. Hell, I drive a big-block Cadillac for crying out loud.

I saw a Porsche in Newport Beach last month. Sweet!

The question for me is, which will I be able to afford on the used car market in 5 or 10 years? Out of these two, it'd be the GT for me. I also wouldn't feel as bad modding it.

The Ford GT is crude and ugly...

Crude and Ugly? :want: You drive a CTS! :hide:

Crude and Ugly? :want: You drive a CTS! :hide:


...which happens to be a better design (and so far more influential) than a Caprice with Caddy tail-lights. :canttalk: :halo:










J/K HRS... :p I understand that not everyone 'gets' the Art&Science design. It's daring in the way Cadillac used to be.



On topic:
Why does the Ford GT command such a high price when it's performance numbers are so close to the Viper? Porsche and the europeans can get away with those premiums because you get an amount of luxury and complex body sculpture in return. That obviously isn't the case with the Ford GT, so why the astronomical price?

Are you kidding me? Asking why the GT40 can command such a high price, when the only thing the Porsche has going for it is its looks, which is completely subjective and some nice seats. And the Porsche is three times as astronomically priced as the GT40.

Are you kidding me? Asking why the GT40 can command such a high price, when the only thing the Porsche has going for it is its looks, which is completely subjective and some nice seats. And the Porsche is three times as astronomically priced as the GT40.

It's a Porsche. That's to be expected. Everything they make is over-priced.

Seeing as you guys don't consider the styling of a car into your money equation, here's the Porsche you should get if you're looking simply for 'bang for the buck' in Ford GT dollars:

Porsche 911 GT2
$179,900
0-60: 3.6 seconds
0-100: 8.9 seconds
1/4 mile: 11.9 @ 120.6 mph
Top speed: 195 mph
60-0: 116 ft.
SkidPad: 1.02g
Slalom: 68.7 mph

For comparison, the other two car's times from Road&Track:

Ford GT
$149,900
0-60: 3.8 seconds
0-100: 8.8 seconds
1/4 mile: 12.2 @ 121.6 mph
Top speed: 190 mph
60-0: 117 ft.
SkidPad: 0.99g
Slalom: 69.5 mph

Porsche Carrera GT
$440,000
0-60: 3.6 seconds
0-100: 7.0 seconds
1/4 mile: 11.3 @ 131.6 mph
Top speed: 205 mph
60-0: 124 ft.
SkidPad: 0.99g
Slalom: 71.1 mph

Also, if you look at these numbers you will see where the Carrera's extra money was spent. It's all in the top end. The power doesn't look like it ever stops when you see the 0-100 time and the 1/4 mile trap speed (not to mention that 205 mph top speed).

this is a hard one :banghead: but i'll take the Ford GT, i think it's the most beautiful car ever! but i'm not saying the Porche is ugly or anyting, just not as beautiful. plus Ford has performance to back it up :worship:
http://www.maximum-cars.com/Cars/Porsche/2001-carrera-gt-concept-1.jpg
http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/images/photo_gallery/GT_p_concept_07.jpg

I guess the styling is subjective (and depends on whether or not you liked the shape of race cars in the 60's).

...but you suggest that the Carrera doesn't have performance to back it up?
The R&T numbers I posted above show the Porsche with better performance. Especially in the high speed range which is a prerequisite for any supercar.
TopGear also listed it at the top of their leader board above the GT.
So I would say it really depends on your source on which one performs better (and speaks volumes about how evenly matched they are).

sorry, but female oppinoin is not counted while talking about car styling. "i like the pink one with the cute spinning thingies" :tisk:

the porche (while being beautiful) still haas the everyday proche front end, which is a no-no for a car of that caliber.

sorry, but female oppinoin is not counted while talking about car styling. "i like the pink one with the cute spinning thingies" :tisk:

the porche (while being beautiful) still haas the everyday proche front end, which is a no-no for a car of that caliber.

You haven't looked at too many Porsches have you? While it may follow the same basic shape, it is far from 'the everyday Porsche front end'. That's like saying the XLR has 'the everyday CTS front end'. Believe me, Porsche has a little more experience building 'cars of that caliber' than Ford could ever hope to gain.


...and when was the last time you have ever heard me say I like 'the pink one with the spinny things'? I obviously don't need to belong to the manly woman-haters club to have better taste in automotive design than you. :p

i'm not a woman hater, i actually like women alot.
porche doesn't have as much racing history as ford, especially a "carrera". u should be comparing F50 to GT 40, not a little cute sissy rich white boy mobile (i really hate to do this to porche, but i have to stand by one of the greatest cars in the world :worship: )

i'm not a woman hater, i actually like women alot.
porche doesn't have as much racing history as ford, especially a "carrera". u should be comparing F50 to GT 40, not a little cute sissy rich white boy mobile (i really hate to do this to porche, but i have to stand by one of the greatest cars in the world :worship: )
:banghead:

you guys are not looking beyond when you were 15 and started liking racing. one of the later Model-T Fords was the worlds first car to be modified for speed. yes Ford, not Porche (Porche didn't even exist yet, lol). i'm not trying to get at Porche in any way, they're one of my favorite sports cars, but u have to give credit where it's due. Ford practically started racing and car modding as we know it. of coarse kids now days don't know anyting (i don't mean u guys) and think that japan inveted racing and modding, which is ridiculous. some of u are implying that Porche has more racing history, while technically it didn't even exist while Ford's cars were already "racing".

You guys are not looking beyond when you were 15 and started liking racing.

So by this you mean you can look back more than three whole years? Congratulations. I guess...

I originally said
Believe me, Porsche has a little more experience building 'cars of that caliber' than Ford could ever hope to gain.

That wasn't a reference to racing, by the way. I was pointing out Porsche's long history of making nothing but sport and supercars.

can u name one supercar besides the Carrera GT that Porche made. i would love to be enlightened!

911 GT1 and the 911 GT2 that I had mentioned before for starters...

the GT1 and GT2 are not supercars, they're stock "hoocked-up" versions of the 911 series. i mean supercars as in completely different porches, the GT3 and Mobydick dont count cause they're race cars.

...if the GT3 doesn't count because it is a 'race car', then why should the Ford GT?

The GT1 had a base price of $1,000,000 and the only parts it shared with the 'common' 911 was the roof and windshield. Everything else was re-engineered for the GT1. It also will outperform the Carrera GT and Ford GT and it was originally released 15 years ago! If that doesn't qualify it as a supercar, nothing will.

Face it, Porsche has spent it's time focusing on building world class high performance sports cars, while Ford has only played in this area up until now (and then only if you consider the Mustang world class) and lately has concentrated on being a truck manufacturer. It's not even a question who has the most experience in this area.

Ford GT is not a race car, the GT 40 is :rolleyes2

well the Porche GT's (GT1 and GT2) are kinda supercars :hide:

but Ford GT is still a better looking car then the Carrera GT :cool:

Face it, Porsche has spent it's time focusing on building world class high performance sports cars, while Ford has only played in this area up until now (and then only if you consider the Mustang world class) and lately has concentrated on being a truck manufacturer. It's not even a question who has the most experience in this area.



Ford probably spends more money on NASCAR then Porsche spends on its entire racing program. You cant say a company like Ford that was built on the success of racing doesnt have expertise in this area because they have a line of pick-up trucks (Which they also race!!!!!)

Here is a interesting comparison between the GT, GT3 and the Stradale

www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/pdf/11769_eprint.pdf

Yeah, but NASCAR isn't real racing.... <ducks and runs> :p



Also, refer to my first post on this page. I never said that Ford doesn't go racing. I'm saying that it doesn't have experience in seeing cars of this caliber into production. There is a very large gap in between racing and building a street-ready production supercar.

Well, Ford built a street-ready production supercar, and you're just gonna have to live with it. :yup:

That they did.
...and it's a nice first effort. But it still isn't anywhere near the Carrera GT in my opinion. ;) :p

did you know the Carrera stops 60-0 in 124 feet
my STS stops 60-0 in 126 feet

either i got great brakes or the Carreras are bellow marginal for that several hundred thousand dollar car. I would pic the Carrera though prob.

I was surprised by that too. Seems to be a major oversight by Porsche...
My CTS sedan does it in 121 (and the CTS-V does it in 115ft). Something just doesn't seem right there...

A friend of mine has a client who just bought then sold a Carrera GT(Black on Black) He buys and sells some the most amazing cars I've ever seen. I've sat in it and think its probably the most incredible supercar on the road today besides the Enzo and SLR. I saw Jay Leno in Hermosa Beach with his Ford GT, but was not as impressed as with the Porsche. The Ford is cool, but I would take the Porsche in a heartbeat.

Assuming you can afford the 450k, here's my opinion: when you walk into a dealership with the intent of buying a premium exotic, there's something about seeing a Focus or Windstar in the same showroom that's just a complete turnoff.

Part of owning a true exotic is not only the performance numbers, but the pedigree. Purity of design. Porsche's sole purpose for existance is now and has always been to design race cars first. That's how the company started, and at the heart of every one of their production cars is the history and lineage of their glorious race history.

Ford is, well, the bang for the buck. Yes, at 150k, you can't beat the GT. It's a very impressive car at that price, no doubt. I just have a perception issue with the same marque on the hood of my exotic as on my neighbor's family soccer mobile.

You want an exotic to have purity. The Carrera is really more in line with an Enzo or Murcielago.

You want an exotic to have purity. The Carrera is really more in line with an Enzo or Murcielago.

Would you buy a Cayenne after the recalls and quality issues. Do you think the Cayenne hurt Porsches image?

Ford probably spends more money on NASCAR then Porsche spends on its entire racing program. You cant say a company like Ford that was built on the success of racing doesnt have expertise in this area because they have a line of pick-up trucks (Which they also race!!!!!)

Here is a interesting comparison between the GT, GT3 and the Stradale

www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/pdf/11769_eprint.pdf


Here's the difference: about the only thing NASCAR vehicles and Ford's production vehicles share is the fact they have 4 tires and a steering wheel. Sure, Ford can spend all they want on their NASCAR vehicles, but does any of that technology show up in production? Or, worse yet, consider that NASCAR vehicles still are carburated, use pushrod designs, and have solid beam rear axles with trailing arms...... the same suspension designs as a 1964 Galaxie 500.

When you buy a Porsche 911 or Carrera 4 or pretty much any Porsche, the engine and suspension designs in the cars you can drive off the lot share quite a bit with their racing counterparts. You can really say they are rich with racing technology.

Can you say that about a Taurus? :D

Would you buy a Cayenne after the recalls and quality issues. Do you think the Cayenne hurt Porsches image?


I'm sort of split on that issue. I think Porsche is softening their image (just a little) by offering an SUV.

Having said that, however, someone who wants a 911 or Carrera I don't think is going to be that turned off by the Cayenne. They aren't buying one, and Porsche didn't start out building family vehicles before they went racing. They're in it for the current SUV craze right now, and soccer Moms all over can say they own a Porsche. Fine.

It's actually a souped up VW Toureg anyway, so no biggie.

I'm just saying that the original intent for Ford was to be able to make a car affordable to everyone and anyone. Porsche's original intent was to build race cars, and if you could afford one, they'd make one for you.

I'm sort of split on that issue. I think Porsche is softening their image (just a little) by offering an SUV.

Having said that, however, someone who wants a 911 or Carrera I don't think is going to be that turned off by the Cayenne.

I agree, and the Toureg had a lot of simple issues like brake lines rubbing on tires and leaking, etc. No excure for that IMO.

However, I have always thought of the old GT40 as exotic, and the new one should have been called the GT44 because it is supposedly exactly 44 inches total height from the ground. I'll still take a GT in red with white stripes to go please...

A friend of mine has a client who just bought then sold a Carrera GT(Black on Black) He buys and sells some the most amazing cars I've ever seen. I've sat in it and think its probably the most incredible supercar on the road today besides the Enzo and SLR. I saw Jay Leno in Hermosa Beach with his Ford GT, but was not as impressed as with the Porsche. The Ford is cool, but I would take the Porsche in a heartbeat.

and i have 10 Mclaren F1s to match my clothes

Here's the difference: about the only thing NASCAR vehicles and Ford's production vehicles share is the fact they have 4 tires and a steering wheel. Sure, Ford can spend all they want on their NASCAR vehicles, but does any of that technology show up in production? Or, worse yet, consider that NASCAR vehicles still are carburated, use pushrod designs, and have solid beam rear axles with trailing arms...... the same suspension designs as a 1964 Galaxie 500.

When you buy a Porsche 911 or Carrera 4 or pretty much any Porsche, the engine and suspension designs in the cars you can drive off the lot share quite a bit with their racing counterparts. You can really say they are rich with racing technology.

Can you say that about a Taurus? :D

a z06 corvette has leaf springs and it beats the 911 turbo to a pulp on the track, and i'm sure an "outdated" nascar would beat any of porches race cars too, old doesn't mean bad. and since when did porche start out as a "pure race car company", their first intentions were to build a light compact car with nice handling for the masses, so u need to study ur history and stop abusing ford because a magazine says that "american car companies are crap, the mustang is crap, the vette is crap, and we dont even get why they sitill try to make those crappy ass cadillacs? they have such bad chasis design and supsension that they manage to accelerate just as fast as better RWD german cars that are lighter and have more BHP *cough*540i*cough*". i'm not saying porche sucks here, but u're taking it too far. i mean ferarri and lambo? they are by themselves at the top and nothing could ever thouch them.

a z06 corvette has leaf springs and it beats the 911 turbo to a pulp on the track, and i'm sure an "outdated" nascar would beat any of porches race cars too, old doesn't mean bad. and since when did porche start out as a "pure race car company", their first intentions were to build a light compact car with nice handling for the masses, so u need to study ur history and stop abusing ford because a magazine says that "american car companies are crap, the mustang is crap, the vette is crap, and we dont even get why they sitill try to make those crappy ass cadillacs? they have such bad chasis design and supsension that they manage to accelerate just as fast as better RWD german cars that are lighter and have more BHP *cough*540i*cough*". i'm not saying porche sucks here, but u're taking it too far. i mean ferarri and lambo? they are by themselves at the top and nothing could ever thouch them.

If you can't admit that Porsche is in a completely different leage from any Ford product (including the GT), then I think you are the one taking it too far.

Read this month's issue of C&D about the Dodge Intrepid NASCAR. That's essentially what's under the skin of Mark Martin's Tarus as well, since NASCAR is so rediculously regulated.

Why exactly do you see Lamborghini and Ferrari in a class above Porsche? I can understand Ferrari, (a company built by racing prodigy, Enzo Ferrari) and it's long history of legendary track performance, but Lamborghini?


so u need to study ur history

Ferruccio Lamborghini started his company building tractors and only got into sport cars because his hobby was modifying Fiats.


bad chasis design and supsension

Ah, but we have Sigma now. :worship:
Arguably the best platform in the world.


they manage to accelerate just as fast as better RWD german cars that are lighter and have more BHP *cough*540i*cough*".

I think you're missing the whole point of that car. It's not a drag racer.




As for NASCAR, I never understood why so many people flock to watch such boring cars lap circles in formation while there are so many true racing genres that go largely ignored. Watch a season of F1 or Speed World Challenge and you will see what I mean. NASCAR is over-rated.

Would you buy a Cayenne after the recalls and quality issues. Do you think the Cayenne hurt Porsches image?

I wouldn't have bought a Cayenne before the safety recalls. Especially not when the SRX kicks it's a$$ in just about every way. :lildevil:

Porsche made a lot of long time fans angry when they announced the Cayenne. The recalls have only compounded this problem.
But, in today's automotive market companies need to do what they can to survive. I would rather see Porsche release an SUV than cease to exist all together...

BTW, have you seen the rumored designs for Porsche and Ferrari four door sedans? Those will shake a few things up if released...

I wouldn't have bought a Cayenne before the safety recalls. Especially not when the SRX kicks it's a$$ in just about every way. :lildevil:

Porsche made a lot of long time fans angry when they announced the Cayenne. The recalls have only compounded this problem.
But, in today's automotive market companies need to do what they can to survive. I would rather see Porsche release an SUV than cease to exist all together...

BTW, have you seen the rumored designs for Porsche and Ferrari four door sedans? Those will shake a few things up if released...

I haven't seen the rumoured photos of those I'm afraid, but I'm not sure I'd want to? I tend to agree about the Cayenne. I like cayenne pepper in my smoothies because it helps clear my sinuses, but as far as owning one.... :rolleyes2. You probably know this, but Porsche is upping the horsepower in the Cayenne probably to hide the shame of problems it has had? (see link-go down about half way) My cousin is a pilot and a couple of his pilot friends have bought Cayennes because they have families, and they are trendy, however they are not satisfied with the overall fit and finish. I guess money doesn't always buy brains with regard to researching a vehicle before buying it, which is what I certainly would do!

As for a 4 door Ferrari, even if I was Bill Gates I couldn't get excited about it. It just seems wrong to me and if I was that desperate for a 4 door family vehicle and had lots of $$$$$ I would just buy a large SUV and be happy with it. The Ferrari purists will not like it. The Ferrari serves a purpose, and it should not be a family purpose. It should stick to tradition because if people are rich enough to be able to own one, then for the family they can/should just get a second vehicle for the family hauler?

http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7520&sid=173&n=156

this is what i know of the history of Lambo, Ferrari and Porche.

Lambo:
7 guys got together and decided to build a supercar. were the 1st to put the engine in the back of a SUPERCAR (not a regular car, not a truck, bus or suv...a SUPERCAR). they came out with the Miura, which is still considered by many to be the best looking car ever made till this day. so Lambo started out as a SUPERCAR company.

Ferrari:
Enzo loves racing and wants to bring it to the masses...er, the rich masses that is. and make supercars that are as good looking as they are fast. so Ferrari starts out as a SUPERCAR company also.

Porche:
i have no idea who (proably a guy whos name was Porche), want to make a car that is light, fast, great handling and affordable. so basically the 50's version of the lancer evo and the subie sti. well this one doesn't start out as a SUPERCAR company and doesn't really make one real SUPERCAR for the streets till this year.

all of this brings us to ford wich made some nice sports cars in the past (namely the mustang line). has alot of money in the racing industry and want to bring back the legend for the streets at a relatively affordable price. from my understanding a streetgoing legendary race car that's just as good (if not better) than the original has more prestige then a brand new model with a cute interior and looking like something ur wife might like. but it's just me.

BTW, u guys can feel free and correct me if i'm wrong about my facts and need to go back to history class :)

As for NASCAR, I never understood why so many people flock to watch such boring cars lap circles in formation while there are so many true racing genres that go largely ignored. Watch a season of F1 or Speed World Challenge and you will see what I mean. NASCAR is over-rated.

I also used to wonder what was so exciting about watching cars turn left for 3 hours, but when you really watch it, you find out how its the most competitive racing out there, its not just a car and a driver, it a whole team. The cars are heavily regulated, so advantages are made by small innovations, which is what racing is TRULY about!! When you look at the drivers in NASCAR, most of them have success in multiple types of racing, but NASCAR is the one that they stay, not too many successful NASCAR drivers flock to other types of racing, so there has to be something exciting about it.

When you buy a Porsche 911 or Carrera 4 or pretty much any Porsche, the engine and suspension designs in the cars you can drive off the lot share quite a bit with their racing counterparts. You can really say they are rich with racing technology.

Can you say that about a Taurus? :D

Whats amazing with all that "outdated technology" in the american sportcars (Viper, Corvette) , made by companies that also make pick-up trucks, they can still be competitive with the ultra high-tech race-parts filled Porsche!!!! :hmm:

Whats amazing with all that "outdated technology" in the american sportcars (Viper, Corvette) , made by companies that also make pick-up trucks, they can still be competitive with the ultra high-tech race-parts filled Porsche!!!! :hmm:


Yeah, they are competitive with numbers, but lets be honest - a Porsche feels different than a Corvette. I've driven both. And I'll say that a Corvette feels very typical GM. Steering, brakes, throttle, they all feel, quite honestly, typically GM. The car is fast, and it sticks to the road, and you can pull 1 g on the skidpad, but the car just doesn't have that smooth, tight, refined, buttoned down, and linear feel of a 911, with just enough of a hint of oversteer to have more fun than should be legal taking corners.

but the car just doesn't have that smooth, tight, refined, buttoned down, and linear feel of a 911,

The Vette doesnt have the over-inflated price tag either...

The Vette doesnt have the over-inflated price tag either...

That's your opinion, you know, just like that other thing everyone has :D

To me (and plenty of people), a Corvette is pretty much what guys buy when they have a middle aged crisis or to try to prove to women that they don't have a small package.

A Porsche 911 is a car you buy because you are a true enthusiast who loves the thrill of playing with an engine at 5000 rpm all day, taking the curves utilizing the throttle and gearing instead of the brakes, and really don't want to look at an interior made my Fisher Price. Oh, yeah, there's a reason Porsche makes the tach the focal point of your instrument cluster.

That's your opinion, you know, just like that other thing everyone has :D

To me (and plenty of people), a Corvette is pretty much what guys buy when they have a middle aged crisis or to try to prove to women that they don't have a small package.

A Porsche 911 is a car you buy because you are a true enthusiast who loves the thrill of playing with an engine at 5000 rpm all day, taking the curves utilizing the throttle and gearing instead of the brakes, and really don't want to look at an interior made my Fisher Price. Oh, yeah, there's a reason Porsche makes the tach the focal point of your instrument cluster.

lol, i was under the impression that it was the other way around. while some people do buy vettes just to have one, i see alot more people buying vettes because they are great cars and actually outperform any "high-tech" porche out there (with the exception of the Carrera GT). most people who buy a porche now are ither rich "oooo...i want a porche, now i can get all the girls even if i do look like Bill Gates that's been hit by a bus!" ore for their wife or girlfriend as a cute and expesive gift. while there are exception to this, i find this mostly ot be the case. i can probaly get better lap times on a stock v6 mustang on the track than some of those guys who drive porches, same goes for some of the guys who drive vettes too, but i find proche to have more of those.

and u said poeple in porches dont utilize brakes? u mean they stop by putting the car into reverse ore downshift to 1st at 120mph? i must be very much behind on todays sports car driving techniques, might u care to tell me how to drive without using any brakes. and about the interior, porche has really nice ones, it's just too bad i'll never experience it first hand. maybe i will, if i shrink a couple of feet so i can actually fit in one. cause unlike the corvette which has almost as much room as my ETC, the porche was made for rich migets i guess? but then again the point of the car was to be small, light and quick.

and another thing, what would happen to that 911 turbo if it had the same exact HP and Torque curve as the z06 vette? would it handle and stick to the road just as great under WOT acceleration? u guys are making the porche sound too nice, while all that u say was true in the 80's, it's very much different now. BMW doesn't have that stock stiff supension phenomenon that it had back then (mostly because other companies realized that most people wanted to hit their head on the roof of the car after every bump instead of having a comfy ride) and porche is not the ultimate handling non SUPERCAR u could buy today.

To me (and plenty of people), a Corvette is pretty much what guys buy when they have a middle aged crisis or to try to prove to women that they don't have a small package.

Most of the people that drive the porsches dont drive them like you describe, instead they buy them to prove to THEMSELVES they dont have a small package!! :yup:

Most of the people that drive the porsches dont drive them like you describe, instead they buy them to prove to THEMSELVES they dont have a small package!! :yup:
that's what i said in my post, should have read it.

The bottom line is you get what you pay for with both cars.......

While they can both do things very similar, one does it with alot more sophistocation and finnesse than the other. To me a Corvette is just a 2 seat torque monster with really good tires, a historical nameplate, and an interior that my 8 year old nephew could do better designing. Which is what you get when you spend 45k.

A Porsche is soooo much more, to me it's worth the 80k and up sticker.

and really don't want to look at an interior made my Fisher Price.

You still play with Fisher Price toys :hmm: Anyway, that's just a way to save a little money, and keep the costs down. There is a lot of plastic in the Porsche interior as well, but the only thing I can find at fault with the Vettes interior is the monotoneness of them. I prefer some differing colors, but plastic is plastic and people will still buy them for the performance and image. Some people might even feel a sense of patriotism and buy American, imagine that??!!

Attitude is what you want for this kind of money. Porsche lacks, Ford delivers.

I'd have to stick to the Ferrari Slayer myself... :coolgleam

My bro just bought a carrera GT and it looks amazing!! I love it. I have pics of outside and inside if anyone wants. Porsche Carrera Gt will destroy the Ford hands down, I hate ford. It will also destroy any ferrari as well. Except for the Lambo gallardo, I love that machine tool.