: Is their a Japanese carmaker that you guys do like?



orconn
11-27-09, 11:26 PM
I can't say I dislike all Japanese cars, there have been cars that I have liked, such as the Datsun (Nissan) 240Z and Hondas and Mazdas in general. While I do subscribe to the, in general, lack of "personality" in Japanese cars some of their models have been very interesting and to be honest exciting!

sven914
11-27-09, 11:35 PM
Chrysler makes tolerable cars.

Ford not so much, but I'll take one over a ricer.

ga_etc
11-28-09, 12:37 AM
I still like most of them, but their styling departments have gone to shit, with a few exceptions. The new Acuras are fugly except the TSX, and that's only because it kept some of the character from the first gen.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-28-09, 12:40 AM
I like Lexus aside from the ES.

LS1Mike
11-28-09, 12:47 AM
It isn't that I don't like them, I just don't think the hype is justified.
Having said that. I like the new Z car, the previous generation WRX, the last generation Supra, the 300Z and the EVO.
I still wouldn't own any but they do make some good sporting cars.

V-Eight
11-28-09, 02:08 AM
I don't mind Nissan or Mazda, but I'd never buy either of 'em. The STI ain't bad either....

Vinsanity
11-28-09, 02:13 AM
I'm open to cars from all parts of the world. Hell, I'm sure China and India will eventually make cars suitable for American roads someday.

I can understand having a preference, but I don't understand why someone would say that they'd never buy a Japanese/Korean/whatever furrin country car. If I were that closed-minded about cars, I wouldn't have ended up with the Caddy.

Regarding my favorite Japanese cars, The Z is definitely up there; I consider it to be the Japanese counterpart to the Ford Mustang. The Infiniti spin-offs are great cars, too. I also have a spot in my heart for the Mazda Miata.

Rodya234
11-28-09, 02:40 AM
The short answer: No.

Nothing from Asia has ever "wow'ed" me. If America doesn't offer something suitable to someone's tastes, Germany can definitely fill the gap. I don't care for cars like the Evo, the MX-5 and the WRX because they lack in sophistication. And I don't like cars like Infiniti and Lexus because, to me, they're just the cheap knock-off of something German.

Am I biased? Very.
Does it matter? Not really.

Jonas McFeely
11-28-09, 04:11 AM
I don't care for cars like the Evo, the MX-5 and the WRX because they lack in sophistication.

PLEASE explain to me how the Evo or WRX lack in sophistication...please, enlighten me. The Evo's AWD system is one of the most smart, intricate, and advanced AWD systems in the world and trumps anything America has ever done, ever. Drive a Volkswagen xxxxxx with 100k+ miles(ive driven probably over 100 of them) and try tell me that their long-term quality matches that of almost any Japanese brand...or even Chevy or Ford for that matter... Ive driven enough older German cars to know that when they accrue some miles, they turn to shit.


I love America and i love GM. Truly. But obviously i must be a rare breed. As much as i love Cadillac and Buick, i equally love Nissan and Mazda. Why? Because i recognize quality. And soul. Those 4 brands are chock-full of them. Again, my two cents.

Stingroo
11-28-09, 07:23 AM
Eh... really? No. There is not a single Japanese carmaker I like.

Are there Japanese CARS I like? Maybe one, or two.

I like the WRX from two generations ago. Then they went an B9-Tribeca'd the nose on the thing, and now it's a wagon, gtfo.
I like the RX7/8. They're unique, and pretty quick. Plus who doesn't love revving to 9-10k?
I find the Supra to be absolutely hideous, in all forms.
I think the R34 is like a video game on wheels... and the R35 is hideous (and dangerous to pedestrians ;))

So no, I don't.

iowasevillests
11-28-09, 07:56 AM
Nope. Always been a GM guy, grew up living outside of Detroit, moved to KS and had all Chevy's on the farm and have a general dislike of most Korean/Japanese/Chinese cars. Occasionally they do put out a car I think is cool(350Z.....and a couple others) but I like buying American, always buy used and like being able to get parts locally easily since I do almost all my own work.

The Tony Show
11-28-09, 11:19 AM
Mazda. Growing up I owned nothing but them, including a 626, MX3, RX7, two Miatas and an RX8. As I got older and more involved in what's happening with the economy, American companies and businesses I decided that I would buy American whenever possible.

Out of all the Japanese Automakers, I find Mazdas have more character and soul in their gearshifter than a Toyota or Nissan has in the entire car. I still own an old Miata that's stripped and prepped for Autocrossing, but haven't raced it in forever due to lack of time.

Ranger
11-28-09, 11:48 AM
If it ain't big and it ain't American, I ain't buying. End of discussion.

jedhead
11-28-09, 12:09 PM
I like Hondas. They have been very reliable and cost of ownership is low. I like the handling about them the best. I still own my 1973 240Z (garage queen, never completed project) and a 2003 Honda Accord with 118K and only one repair. I have owned Fords and Mercurys in the past and my STS-V is my first GM since my 1970 Chevelle SS and 1969 Buick Rivera GS.

Bob

blue07cts
11-28-09, 12:21 PM
I have to agree with Chad on lexus, everything but the ES, i really have a soft spot for the LS of all generations.

infiniti i like because they nearly match BMW in most instances without the insanely priced option list.

mazda has a few cool cars (the new 6 RX-8) but as a brand i've always seen them as a bit cartoonish (if that makes sense)
I loved ACURA until the latest TL came out, i still like the new TSX and the updated RL i don't really consider Acura a premium brand like lexus as much as i think of it as a in between brand like Volvo,

so that would be my answer, most every country makes a good car, the reason they are liked or disliked is because there attributes or viewed differently from country to country...

Rolex
11-28-09, 12:40 PM
The wife and I have owned Hondas, Acuras, Nissans. 90% of what I've owned has been Chevy, GMC, or Cadillac. Right now I'm driving a Nissan Titan Pro 4X and I like it as much as any GM Z71 I've driven or owned. Offer me reliability, comfort, power at a fair price with a decent warranty and I'll buy. I prefer Chevy or GMC trucks to imports as a general rule, but I like the power in the Titan's engine over the 5.3 gm power plant.

I would bet you my next vehicle will probably be a Z71 yukon. If I could order one with the 6.0 or 6.2 motor I would be :cloud9:. I'm still planning on adding a CPO 09' V to the stable sometime next summer.

Vinsanity
11-28-09, 12:54 PM
I challenge anyone who says they won't buy a foreign car to take a spin in a GT-R or LS460 and then tell me that they weren't missing out on some good shit.



Mazda. Growing up I owned nothing but them, including a 626, MX3, RX7, two Miatas and an RX8. As I got older and more involved in what's happening with the economy, American companies and businesses I decided that I would buy American whenever possible.


Government involvement has put me off to whatever compelled me to "do my part" to help GM and Chrysler. Maybe I'd like to buy a CTS-V or Camaro SS before the government kills them in favor of the Pelosi GTxi SS/RT Sport Edition, though.

Jesda
11-28-09, 01:18 PM
Mazda
Old Nissan
90s Honda
90s Subaru

V-Eight
11-28-09, 01:39 PM
The wife and I have owned Hondas, Acuras, Nissans. 90% of what I've owned has been Chevy, GMC, or Cadillac. Right now I'm driving a Nissan Titan Pro 4X and I like it as much as any GM Z71 I've driven or owned. Offer me reliability, comfort, power at a fair price with a decent warranty and I'll buy. I prefer Chevy or GMC trucks to imports as a general rule, but I like the power in the Titan's engine over the 5.3 gm power plant.

I would bet you my next vehicle will probably be a Z71 yukon. If I could order one with the 6.0 or 6.2 motor I would be :cloud9:. I'm still planning on adding a CPO 09' V to the stable sometime next summer.

Yeah, I find it pretty damn sad that the Nissan has more torque than the 5.3. I'd only go for the 6.2 or the Duramax or myself.

Gristle Boy
11-28-09, 01:47 PM
My G35 was ass-kicking. In some ways I wish I'd kept it. Most Japenese cars look like ass though & the styling never seems to stand the test of time. Honda (S2000 excepted) & Toyota are nothing but :boring:appliances.

gary88
11-28-09, 02:08 PM
Off the top of my head I like the 350/370Z and the STi/EVO. I also once had a previous gen Murano rental that I surpisingly liked, it was fun to drive.

Submariner409
11-28-09, 02:21 PM
Philosophically, NO. I would walk or push a wheelchair before I would stoop so low as to buy a Japanese car. Too bad I can't hold to that for quite a few other products.

Jonas McFeely
11-28-09, 02:27 PM
I would walk or push a wheelchair before I would stoop so low as to buy a Japanese car.

Just out of curiosity, why is it "stooping low"?

Most Japanese cars today are built in America, by Americans, and support hundreds of thousands of American families.

concorso
11-28-09, 02:35 PM
PLEASE explain to me how the Evo or WRX lack in sophistication...please, enlighten me. The Evo's AWD system is one of the most smart, intricate, and advanced AWD systems in the world and trumps anything America has ever done, ever. Drive a Volkswagen xxxxxx with 100k+ miles(ive driven probably over 100 of them) and try tell me that their long-term quality matches that of almost any Japanese brand...or even Chevy or Ford for that matter... Ive driven enough older German cars to know that when they accrue some miles, they turn to shit.


I love America and i love GM. Truly. But obviously i must be a rare breed. As much as i love Cadillac and Buick, i equally love Nissan and Mazda. Why? Because i recognize quality. And soul. Those 4 brands are chock-full of them. Again, my two cents.Agree with most. The Evo has as much tech as the 1st gen CTS. The fit on the inside is not as nice, but the materials used certainly are! The new Evo rides really nicely too, which is a huge departure from the older Evo's.

I dont agree as much with the comments on German cars. MY parents still have their 20 yr old W140 S-class and its in fantastic shape at near 200k miles. IMO and E, The older German cars, at least the mid-uupper level luxury cars were very well built.

I love Infiniti. Most every car that comes from that brand has a focus on driving dynamics. They might not be the best, but every Infiniti Ive driven has been a great drive comparitively. The M45 is underated, imo. At its price point, I thought it was a much better car then the DTS or STS (V excluded) The DTS and STS used nicer leather, tho...

The only Toyota in recent years that even remotely interested me is the new Venza. I have no use for this vehicle, but I like the lines.

concorso
11-28-09, 02:38 PM
Just out of curiosity, why is it "stooping low"?

Most Japanese cars today are built in America, by Americans, and support hundreds of thousands of American families.There was a study a few months ago that said a few Japanese car actually have a greater impact financially on America then certain America cars in the same class. A $50k lexus may make $3000 profit that goes back to Japan, but the other $47k is spent on parts and labor in the US.

concorso
11-28-09, 02:41 PM
I challenge anyone who says they won't buy a foreign car to take a spin in a GT-R or LS460 and then tell me that they weren't missing out on some good shit. I think the GT-R is a piece of poo, in all honesty. No manual trans and it sounds like a Dyson. I can appreciate the value of the car. Its as great a bang for buck as the CTS-V is, or the ZR1 and Hyundai Genesis Sedan...but it still sounds like poop and has no manual trans. I dont get to track a car very often, a manual is the only real involvement in a car I can get on a daily basis.

Vinsanity
11-28-09, 02:42 PM
Just out of curiosity, why is it "stooping low"?

Most Japanese cars today are built in America, by Americans, and support hundreds of thousands of American families.

because it would be philosophically better to stuff the coffers of a small handful of American executives rather than furrin ones. :rolleyes:

even though I appreciate the fact that the American HQ's of Toyota, Mazda, Hyundai/Kia, etc. support the local economy here in SoCal...

gary88
11-28-09, 03:00 PM
I think the GT-R is a piece of poo, in all honesty. No manual trans and it sounds like a Dyson. I can appreciate the value of the car. Its as great a bang for buck as the CTS-V is, or the ZR1 and Hyundai Genesis Sedan...but it still sounds like poop and has no manual trans. I dont get to track a car very often, a manual is the only real involvement in a car I can get on a daily basis.

The twin clutch box it has is a manual, there's no torque converter.

Traditional clutch and row manuals are quickly going the way of the dodo, even some cars with normal torque converter autos are running faster than their manual counterparts.

Jonas McFeely
11-28-09, 03:06 PM
I think the GT-R is a piece of poo, in all honesty. No manual trans and it sounds like a Dyson. I can appreciate the value of the car. Its as great a bang for buck as the CTS-V is, or the ZR1 and Hyundai Genesis Sedan...but it still sounds like poop and has no manual trans. I dont get to track a car very often, a manual is the only real involvement in a car I can get on a daily basis.

I could pick this apart, but im just gonna say :thumbsup:, because i agree with most of it.

The Tony Show
11-28-09, 03:54 PM
Government involvement has put me off to whatever compelled me to "do my part" to help GM and Chrysler. Maybe I'd like to buy a CTS-V or Camaro SS before the government kills them in favor of the Pelosi GTxi SS/RT Sport Edition, though.

You'd better stay off the roads, never call the police or fire dept and not send your kids to school then, since the Government is involved in those too.

It's easy to criticize them from the sidelines, but the fact is that all the doomsday scenarios of the Gubmit taking over GM and killing off the V, Fullsize SUVs and Camaros to replace them with "Pelosi mobiles" never came true. The Government loaned them two big chunks of money, one of which they already paid back with interest. Once GM makes a public stock offering next year, the Government is selling their shares and getting back the money. Meanwhile, the millions of people at factories, dealers, parts suppliers and other businesses kept their jobs. Don't forget that both Ford and Toyota were scared of GM going under, because it would have taken down the worldwide network of parts suppliers that they also use with them.

I don't like the loans any more than the next guy, but it was the lesser of two evils and none of the hysterical theories about a takeover came true.

orconn
11-28-09, 04:04 PM
It is sad to hear that the true manual transmission is going the way of the dodo. Let's face it a manual transmission in a powereful car was one of the things divided real drivers from "sit in it and steer" operators. To be honest I don't see that the skill level necessary to drive one of today's performance cars is really very high. Todays high performace driver has most of the decisions made for either mechanical or by computer reducing him to more of a passenger with a little reflex imput and a set of eyes .... a far cry from the days of Fangio, Phil Hill and Nuvolari. Stirling Moss recently commented that he thought today's crop of high performace drivers didn't posess even a smattering of the talent necessary to compete at the top levels of international competition. For me most of the fun and challenge of driving well was learning the skills of becoming one with the automobile to make it perform most efficiently given the terrain it had to travel. Todays cars are fine for getting groceries whom safely and covering distance with little effort, but they don't really require much in the way of skill and knowledge to get the job done safely. With todays limited opportunities for safe truly high speed driving most of todays technology and driver asssitance are more imporatant for bragging rights around the watercooler or neighborhood bar than useful adjuncts to true performance driving.

Jesda
11-28-09, 04:27 PM
You'd better stay off the roads, never call the police or fire dept and not send your kids to school then, since the Government is involved in those too.


That's a pretty ridiculous comparison. One is a severe compromise in the nationwide free market system that costs billions in public funds, uses the federal government to artificially prop up a private firm, and prevents long term cost cutting, efficiency gains, and changes in a stagnant and ill-functioning corporate culture. The other is a set of rudimentary public services often provided at the local level. You're stretching your argument like a porn star's corn hole.

Vinsanity
11-28-09, 05:52 PM
You'd better stay off the roads, never call the police or fire dept and not send your kids to school then, since the Government is involved in those too.

It's easy to criticize them from the sidelines, but the fact is that all the doomsday scenarios of the Gubmit taking over GM and killing off the V, Fullsize SUVs and Camaros to replace them with "Pelosi mobiles" never came true. The Government loaned them two big chunks of money, one of which they already paid back with interest. Once GM makes a public stock offering next year, the Government is selling their shares and getting back the money. Meanwhile, the millions of people at factories, dealers, parts suppliers and other businesses kept their jobs. Don't forget that both Ford and Toyota were scared of GM going under, because it would have taken down the worldwide network of parts suppliers that they also use with them.

I don't like the loans any more than the next guy, but it was the lesser of two evils and none of the hysterical theories about a takeover came true.

The CTS-V and Camaro SS are still around because they were already too far into development for them to be cancelled by the new owners. We are seeing intervention in effect, however, in the Cadillac XTS, which will be built on the FWD Epsilon family sedan architecture, instead of a proper RWD chassis that it was originally intended to have. I hope I'm wrong, but that car will be a lame duck the moment it's released. I know I won't be interested in buying one. Give me a Sigma or Zeta Cadillac any day, though.

It's good to hear GM is paying back their bailout loans...with more bailout money...wait, wat? http://www.propublica.org/ion/bailout/item/gm-announces-it-will-pay-back-govt-loan-with-govt-money-1116 (basically, although the $6.71B loan is being back back, the $40B investment in the company still needs to be addressed, and it's doubtful that GM stock will ever reach a high enough level for the gov't to make its, err, our, money back)

93DevilleUSMC
11-28-09, 08:58 PM
Subaru. That thing is the Leatherman of Asian imports.

Aron9000
11-28-09, 09:35 PM
Getting back on topic . . . .

I like a lot of Asian cars, and I feel like they build a genuinely superior product in some market segments.

Mazda- The Miata is just flat out awesome, and has been for a long time. The 3 is pretty cool, but the new ones have that hideious grill, the 6 sedan looks pretty neat, their crossover SUV's are pretty sharp.

Honda- Very reliable and fuel efficient. Not a whole lot of design flare, but their 4 bangers are fun to rev up and they tend to handle way better than any FWD commuter car should. However the current Acura stylist should be taken out back and shot.

Nissan/Infiniti- They're kind of hit or miss with me. New Maxima and 370z are cool, rest of their stuff is kind of fugly. Infiniti has really made some passoniate, fun to drive cars with the G35 and M45 sedans. Still longing for a new Q45

Toyota- Company has been dead to me since they stopped building the Supra and Lexus IS300. Just no soul to their products, and frankly I think the quality has slipped with their latest models.

Stingroo
11-28-09, 09:50 PM
Agreed on the Miata point. I don't agree with the stereotype people have of Miata's as being woman's cars. They're actually pretty damn responsive, and decently quick.

And a hell of a lot of fun to whip around a parking lot slalom. But don't ask how I know. :thumbsup:

c5 rv
11-28-09, 10:37 PM
I used to like Mazdas. I owned a mid-90s 626 and my wife had an early 90s Miata. Both were fun and reliable cars. However, my son had an 08 Mazda6 with the 2.3 engine. It developed rod knock at about 25K and got a new short block under warranty. My neighbor recently bought a used Mazda3 with the 2.3 engine and 30K miles. He's had a number of suspension problems and the car burns oil.

I bought one of my sons a used Honda Del Sol. It was a fun, practical car for a kid (until he slid it into a tree on ice). My wife and I stopped at the Honda dealer this week and looked at the Crosstour. It's a practical crossover that, to me, is just the right size. Trust me that the styling looks better in person than pictures that make it look like the 21st century Aztec.

My next daily driver is likely to be an 05 or 06 Lexus LS430. I'm looking for what that car does well.

77CDV
11-28-09, 10:48 PM
I like Asian cars in the same way I like my washing machine. It's nice that it's there, and it's dead useful, but unless I'm using it, I don't give it much thought. And like my washing machine, I really couldn't describe any Asian car without having a picture of it. They're simply not that memorable.

Jesda
11-29-09, 03:07 AM
My 626 was a ton of fun. Slickest manual shifter ever, other than the Miata. The Probe and MX6 on which the 626 was based were really fun, dependable cars (unless you got the I4+auto).

The LS400 is a car I've come to respect but don't have any affection for. If I could stomach the maintenance costs I'd have a supercharged Millenia.

V-Eight
11-29-09, 04:55 AM
Still, you gotta give up your manhood for a miata.

Rolex
11-29-09, 10:43 AM
Still, you gotta give up your manhood for a miata.

Call me gay but this one makes my naughty spot tingle:

IXuRUDjsqmw

V-Eight
11-29-09, 12:07 PM
^But that's got a V8....everything the Miata lacks lol

Stingroo
11-29-09, 02:32 PM
lol That Miata looks like the Viper's tiny pissed off Asian cousin. I like.

V-Eight
11-29-09, 02:37 PM
That cowl hood actually looks sick on there

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-29-09, 03:28 PM
Call me gay but this one makes my naughty spot tingle:

IXuRUDjsqmw

That's just excessive, lol.

V-Eight
11-29-09, 03:34 PM
There's no such thing as excessive....

orconn
11-29-09, 04:05 PM
Call me gay but this one makes my naughty spot tingle:

IXuRUDjsqmw

Yeah, the guy bought it with his earnings in porno flicks!

Stingroo
11-29-09, 08:27 PM
There's no such thing as excessive....

Nay sir, I disagree with thee:

http://joah.typepad.com/.a/6a00e0097dd47a8833010537203744970b-800wi

V-Eight
11-29-09, 08:29 PM
Ok, but I was talking about when it comes to power lol. And that's not excessive, that's just gay

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-29-09, 08:52 PM
That's not excessive, that's just gay

Yep, gay.

77CDV
11-29-09, 09:03 PM
Nay sir, I disagree with thee:

http://joah.typepad.com/.a/6a00e0097dd47a8833010537203744970b-800wi

I want some of this guy's money since he obviously has way too much to be sensible with it.

Stingroo
11-29-09, 10:02 PM
I know right! I agree with you. lol

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-29-09, 10:30 PM
Those are some wickedly gay welfare wheels.

Aron9000
11-29-09, 11:03 PM
Still, you gotta give up your manhood for a miata.

Putting the right set of wheels makes a huge difference IMO. Getting one in the right color(not sky blue or purple) can make it look pretty serious. Also a roll bar and a harness kind of talks business.

http://www.steveandlee.com/galleries/blog/miata_wheels_1.jpg
http://miata-website.rdopso.com/images/MSM%20front.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a348/kcoughlin77/DavidAndrewCoughlin030.jpg
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/747/1321/1865660118_large.jpg

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-29-09, 11:57 PM
Just think of it like this, a Miata is a modern day, RELIABLE Japanese version of the Sunbeams, Alfa Romeos, Triumphs and Fiats of the '60s and '70s.

orconn
11-29-09, 11:59 PM
Let's put it this way, while I personally think a Miata is a neat car and lots of fun ....... If I had a daughter I'd buy her one in a minute (fat chance she'd demand a BMW), but I wouldn't buy one for my son!

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-30-09, 12:02 AM
Let's put it this way, while I personally think a Miata is a neat car and lots of fun ....... If I had a daughter I'd buy her one in a minute (fat chance she'd demand a BMW), but I wouldn't buy one for my son!

What about a Mazdaspeed Miata? Do they still call them Miatas or are they MX-5's now?

orconn
11-30-09, 12:05 AM
Just think of it like this, a Miata is a modern day, RELIABLE Japanese version of the Sunbeams, Alfa Romeos, Triumphs and Fiats of the '60s and '70s.

Please delete Alfa Romeos from your analogy. Alfas occupied a space below Jaguars, a space shared with early Porsches. MGs, TRs, Midget and Fiat 124's were the Miata's target.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-30-09, 12:12 AM
Now, back to the topic at hand, aside from Lexus, the other Japanese carmakers I really like are:

Honda. I like how most Hondas offer tight steering and a taut suspension, even going back into the '80s with the Prelude and CRX. They seemed to be more of a driver's car than a Toyota or Mitsubishi. Even though many of them offer smallish four cylinders, they still are fun to drive and efficient and very economical and easy to own. My favorite models are the 04+ Accord Coupes, 98+ Preludes, current generation Civic Si, etc etc. I just don't like the douchey ricer image that goes along with Honda, which is a shame because they engineer a dang good vehicle.

Nissan. I like Nissan for a lot of the same reasons I like Honda, but they build a wider range of cars, including (wait for it....wait for it....) a large, powerful V-8 engine and a full sized, body on frame truck and SUV! They also conquer the near luxury market with the Maxima, an area where the Accord never went.

Infiniti. They build the Japanese BMW, end of story.

Mazda is good too, but so many of their designs didn't grab my attention until late, and now within the last 5 years they've managed to really build a sharp looking line up. They're a driver's car as well, and the '91 626 DX we had was quite reliable and kinda fun to drive (atleast compared to our '97 Lumina). I don't like Rotary engines though, so to me Mazda's love of those has always seemed weird and relentless.

concorso
11-30-09, 12:10 PM
Still, you gotta give up your manhood for a miata.Bite your tongue, youngin'! :) You've got to be real a man to drive a Miata and not care what other people think! Its a fantastic car, responsive balanced handling and sharp reflexes that you dont get anywhere else under 100k besides the Boxster. Roll bars and wheels with black paint look great on it, too. Plus a simple supercharger kit makes these a rocket.

Its the men who arent comfortable with who they are that cant drive one of these because of the cars rep.

orconn
11-30-09, 01:32 PM
Bite your tongue, youngin'! :) You've got to be real a man to drive a Miata and not care what other people think! Its a fantastic car, responsive balanced handling and sharp reflexes that you dont get anywhere else under 100k besides the Boxster. Roll bars and wheels with black paint look great on it, too. Plus a simple supercharger kit makes these a rocket.

Its the men who arent comfortable with who they are that cant drive one of these because of the cars rep.

I agree completely with your statement ..... but I still wouldn't buy one for my son! If he wants one he can buy it himself!

V-Eight
11-30-09, 06:25 PM
Bite your tongue, youngin'! :) You've got to be real a man to drive a Miata and not care what other people think! Its a fantastic car, responsive balanced handling and sharp reflexes that you dont get anywhere else under 100k besides the Boxster. Roll bars and wheels with black paint look great on it, too. Plus a simple supercharger kit makes these a rocket.

Its the men who arent comfortable with who they are that cant drive one of these because of the cars rep.

Either way, if it ain't a V8, I ain't driving it. Exceptions include the TTA and GN

gary88
11-30-09, 07:24 PM
^^^ V8 snob :coffee:

orconn
11-30-09, 07:34 PM
Actually my favorite engine configuration for everyday driving is a good strong straight six.

V-Eight
11-30-09, 07:35 PM
Yeah, some may call it stupidity. Its just of all the non v8's I've driven nothing can get the same feel.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-30-09, 10:26 PM
Actually my favorite engine configuration for everyday driving is a good strong straight six.

That I-6 was sweet in the Benz. Smooth, tractable, quiet, and flexible, so after owning that I'm a believer. Isn't the I-6 one of the oldest and most widely used configurations?


Yeah, some may call it stupidity. Its just of all the non v8's I've driven nothing can get the same feel.

The 4.3 in my Astro feels like the TBI 4.5 in an '88-'89 Cadillac, a good amount of low end torque, but not much midrange or top end. The 4.9 I-6 in Fords feels like a small V-8....loads of low end torque, but again, now mid range or top end. Big six cylinders often feel like small V-8's, usually anything bigger than 4.0 liters.


Either way, if it ain't a V8, I ain't driving it. Exceptions include the TTA and GN

I used to think the same way too, and I still prefer a good V-8 configuration, but I like a good six cylinder, whether it be inline or V, or whether it's naturally aspirated or not. I don't think I could own a four cylinder...maybe if it was turbocharged, but it's hard to find a I-4 that offers the low end torque I like.



Bite your tongue, youngin'! :) You've got to be real a man to drive a Miata and not care what other people think! Its a fantastic car, responsive balanced handling and sharp reflexes that you dont get anywhere else under 100k besides the Boxster. Roll bars and wheels with black paint look great on it, too. Plus a simple supercharger kit makes these a rocket.

Its the men who arent comfortable with who they are that cant drive one of these because of the cars rep.

I wonder why the Miata always got that feminine reputation and none of it's competitors ever did. I mean the S2000 never seemed as feminine and it's the same size, just more powerful. Same with the Sky and Solstice.

V-Eight
11-30-09, 10:48 PM
The 4.9 I-6 in Fords feels like a small V-8....loads of low end torque, but again, now mid range or top end.

But at 4.9L, the same size as my Cadillac's it sure as hell better. I also agree that the 4.3 is a great motor, especially in manual form, I've just always found it to be 'slow' compared to the 5.7.


I wonder why the Miata always got that feminine reputation and none of it's competitors ever did. I mean the S2000 never seemed as feminine and it's the same size, just more powerful. Same with the Sky and Solstice.

Could also be that you need to be of feminine size to comfortably fit in one.

77CDV
11-30-09, 11:19 PM
I wonder why the Miata always got that feminine reputation and none of it's competitors ever did. I mean the S2000 never seemed as feminine and it's the same size, just more powerful. Same with the Sky and Solstice.

It's the "cute factor". Miatas are all round and happy-looking, in a plastic-y sort of way. The other three you mentioned have some serious body sculpting and look more muscular (OK not the Soltice so much, but it doesn't seem to scream "Fey" like the Miata, either). The other car that reminds me of the Miata on a chick-car level is the Honda Del Sol.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-30-09, 11:32 PM
But at 4.9L, the same size as my Cadillac's it sure as hell better. I also agree that the 4.3 is a great motor, especially in manual form, I've just always found it to be 'slow' compared to the 5.7.

I suppose if you put a 4.3 S-10 in a race against a Vortec 5.7 1500 it'd be fairly close, but I haven't driven a Vortec V-8 in a while. I remember driving a Vortec 350 powered '98 Tahoe when I worked at the Chevy dealer and it wasn't as quick as I thought at highway speeds. Considering it makes 5 less hp and the same amount of torque as an LT-1, in a vehicle that weighs only slightly more (Tahoe v. Fleetwood), it certainly was NOT as quick. I suppose the Tahoe would have steeper gearing too, but at that point the biggest thing working against you would be the aerodynamics, or in the Tahoe's case, the complete lack there of.

My Astro has a 4.3, I wish they offered the 5.0 or 5.7 in those. The 4.3 does OK, but it'd do much better with a V-8.




Could also be that you need to be of feminine size to comfortably fit in one.

Perhaps, but I think it's more of a combination of the "cute factor" as Craig mentioned, and the fact that (sorry to stereotype) most women prefer smaller cars. But on the other hand, owning a car like this, as I experienced with my uncle and his Mini Cooper, can be a good thing when it comes to meeting women. They'll often tell you how they like it or how cute it is, which gets the ball rolling for conversation.


It's the "cute factor". Miatas are all round and happy-looking, in a plastic-y sort of way. The other three you mentioned have some serious body sculpting and look more muscular (OK not the Soltice so much, but it doesn't seem to scream "Fey" like the Miata, either). The other car that reminds me of the Miata on a chick-car level is the Honda Del Sol.

Ah yes, the Del-Slo. One of my neighbor's friends backed into my Sedan deVille with his Del Sol a few years back and put a hell of a dent in the driver's door. Insurance paid for it and got it all taken care of. But how the hell do you back into a Sedan deVille when you're driving a Del Sol? That's like backing up into the Titanic when you're in a lifeboat!

orconn
12-01-09, 12:14 AM
My brother-in-law, who was quite a chick magnet in his own right, had a Del Sol for many years and guess it was quite a deal maker as he rutted around the Jersey Shore. Now past his prime, but apparently still attractive to the ladies, he just bought a new Miata! So Chad I think you are on the right track with the "small car" ="girl bait" idea.

Stingroo
12-01-09, 01:25 AM
You know, I ALWAYS thought the Astro came with a V8 option somewhere. I find it weird that it didn't. That thing could have really benefited from a tree-fitty. Shame. Though the 4.3 in my mom's Astro (a '95 IIRC) was okay-ish. Like stated above, gobs of torque and good to go in city driving, but not so much oomph to make highway driving enjoyable. Then again, it was a conversion van, and probably weighed a couple hundred pounds more than a regular Astro, but still.

"G$"
12-01-09, 07:35 AM
I like loaded Hondas and own 2 of them and am looking at buying an `07 black on black Acura RL. I also like the STI's and Lexus LS's.

c5 rv
12-01-09, 11:02 AM
Either way, if it ain't a V8, I ain't driving it...

Agreed! My next daily driver will be a V8 sedan - while I can still get one.

V-Eight
12-01-09, 03:32 PM
I suppose if you put a 4.3 S-10 in a race against a Vortec 5.7 1500 it'd be fairly close, but I haven't driven a Vortec V-8 in a while. I remember driving a Vortec 350 powered '98 Tahoe when I worked at the Chevy dealer and it wasn't as quick as I thought at highway speeds. Considering it makes 5 less hp and the same amount of torque as an LT-1, in a vehicle that weighs only slightly more (Tahoe v. Fleetwood

Yeah, I can only speak about the 350 (LO5) in truck form. While its damn quick up to about 100, the passing power in not as good as it is in the Cadillac. I actually forgot how good the Caddy is from 100-140


Agreed! My next daily driver will be a V8 sedan - while I can still get one.

Me too, hopefully a V in a year or two.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
12-01-09, 07:37 PM
You know, I ALWAYS thought the Astro came with a V8 option somewhere. I find it weird that it didn't. That thing could have really benefited from a tree-fitty. Shame. Though the 4.3 in my mom's Astro (a '95 IIRC) was okay-ish. Like stated above, gobs of torque and good to go in city driving, but not so much oomph to make highway driving enjoyable. Then again, it was a conversion van, and probably weighed a couple hundred pounds more than a regular Astro, but still.

You think your conversion van is heavy? I've got atleast 1500 lbs of product in the back of my van at any given time, and if I'm towing, it's 2000 more lbs.


My brother-in-law, who was quite a chick magnet in his own right, had a Del Sol for many years and guess it was quite a deal maker as he rutted around the Jersey Shore. Now past his prime, but apparently still attractive to the ladies, he just bought a new Miata! So Chad I think you are on the right track with the "small car" ="girl bait" idea.

Ladies like guys that enjoy feminine things, metrosexuals always seem to do well with the ladies too. The only metro friend I have does exceedingly well with the ladies.


Yeah, I can only speak about the 350 (LO5) in truck form. While its damn quick up to about 100, the passing power in not as good as it is in the Cadillac. I actually forgot how good the Caddy is from 100-140

Oh, lol you mean 100 KPH, not MPH. :lol: