: Wannabe Owner Has Chance- Feedback Appreciated



Trindaddy
11-24-09, 07:39 PM
Hi,

I found your great forum here while searching out info on a Cadillac purchase I want to make tonight. I say "want to" because I am in love with the details and photos of the car, but have 3 hours until I get my hands on it.

My father was a 35+ year Caddy owner, and I once owned a 1972 El Dorado for a short time when I was a teen.

I could not get the system to allow for me to post a link, so I will describe it as best as possible.

It is a 1984 Sedan Deville with 85k original, and from the images looks to be in stellar shape (like mint). Current owner claims to have gotten it from elder mothers passing and has no real knowledge of repair history. Oregon car. No known issues. Everything operational. Image shows a V8 DFI air filter cover so I assume it to be the HT4100. Extras such as lighted entry, trunk mat, heated mirrors, few others.

I guess the feedback I am looking for is the dreaded HT4100 engine. At $800 am I making a good gamble on this car, or am I throwing money away with an inevitable issue.

I know nobody can predict the future, just hoping to find feedback from serious owners.

Thanks, it's a great forum here and I will hang about often!

http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1172.jpg

Trindaddy
11-24-09, 08:23 PM
More images. Sorry to add post, but it would not let me edit after 40 mins.


http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1172.jpg
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1174.jpg
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1195.jpg
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http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1185.jpg
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1181.jpg
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1178.jpg
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1177.jpg
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1176.jpg

jayoldschool
11-24-09, 08:36 PM
Car looks nice. Is that a brown roof? I haven't seen that on a white car before.

For 800 or less you can't go wrong. The 4100 is underpowered, but that thing isn't meant to win any drag races anyways. Treat it nice, change the oil, make sure you add the tabs to the coolant.

Those may be the original tires on that car. They don't make the whitewalls like that anymore...

Good luck.

Trindaddy
11-24-09, 08:43 PM
Car looks nice. Is that a brown roof? I haven't seen that on a white car before.

For 800 or less you can't go wrong. The 4100 is underpowered, but that thing isn't meant to win any drag races anyways. Treat it nice, change the oil, make sure you add the tabs to the coolant.

Those may be the original tires on that car. They don't make the whitewalls like that anymore...

Good luck.

Thanks Jayoldschool, I appreciate it.

They're firm on the $800, but personally I feel good about the amount.

The roof is a tannish brown.

The tabs to the coolant are an unknown to me. Any detail on the what/where/how often?

I noticed the whitewalls being old style....hahaha, if they have 85k on them with trad I will be amazed. HEading over in an hour to make this deal.

More photos-


http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1172.jpg
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1174.jpg
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1195.jpg
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1190.jpg
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1185.jpg
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1181.jpg
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1178.jpg
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1177.jpg
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae46/brashear_01/1984%20Cadillac%20Deville/DSCN1176.jpg

Stingroo
11-24-09, 08:44 PM
THEY SHOULD MAKE WHITEWALLS LIKE THAT STILL!

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Car looks pretty clean. Have you seen it in person yet? Rust? Any of that good stuff?

Trindaddy
11-24-09, 08:55 PM
THEY SHOULD MAKE WHITEWALLS LIKE THAT STILL!

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Car looks pretty clean. Have you seen it in person yet? Rust? Any of that good stuff?

Heading out soon to look at it. I am first in line on the buyer list.

According to seller no rust, everything good.

jayoldschool
11-24-09, 09:14 PM
Very good condition. Leather wheel on a DeVille!

See that sticker on the fan shroud that is reflecting? That should have the info about the coolant tabs on it. I know my mother's 84 does.

DO NOT get rid of those tires.

Angry Matt
11-24-09, 09:39 PM
The tires look like they could be enduro's? Nice car, $800 sounds like a deal. That is a cool color combo.

creeker
11-24-09, 09:50 PM
I'm not a 4.1 fan,but it's a very nice looking car,I think I would buy it
regardless.

sven914
11-24-09, 09:56 PM
Very good condition. Leather wheel on a DeVille!



Thats not the original steering wheel. It came off a (Fleetwood) Brougham. In fact, the entire column looks like it was replaced; The Gold Keys have wreaths.

Other than that the car looks real clean, maybe too clean for $800.

jayoldschool
11-24-09, 10:56 PM
Good eye! I am only used to the FWB steering wheels. Didn't the DeVille wheels have V in the middle?

Stingroo
11-24-09, 11:08 PM
^ If I remember right, yes.

Bro-Ham
11-25-09, 01:04 AM
Hi,

Is it possible the center horn button was replaced at some point with a wreath & crest Fleetwood style one? Yes, the deVille should have been originally equipped with the "V" on the steering wheel, although 1984 was an accidental model year for the rear drive deVille since the new front drive deVille was delayed to mid year 1984 and called a 1985 and once the small front drive deVille came out the "V" was no longer available since all Cadillacs then had the wreath and crest. Is it possible production changed to all wreaths for this interior piece in anticipation and pre-production for the 1985 models which used the same steering wheel? The steering column color appears to be the same as the interior color.

Another interesting note, all the gold keys I have ever seen, even in the deVille, used a wreath and crest. The original silver keys had only a crest. The gold keys came standard on all Cadillacs as part of the "gold key delivery system" which included, at no charge, a pre-delivery vehicle inspeciton, orientation drive with salesperson, a cassette tape with an explanation of features, a full tank of gas, and the coveted two extra sets of gold keys and a special gold key ID card, and wait, there's more, a free 1,000 mile inspection. A deVille owner got a taste of the wreath and crest with these special keys. :)

Speaking of the interior color, and the vinyl roof color, while at first glance the color was mentioned above to be brown but I disagree. The interior color appears to be saddle, which was one of the five cloth interior colors available (1984 deVille cloth colors were dark brown, dark blue, grayfern, saddle, and dark maroon). Brown was a very popular 1983-84 interior color for these cars but the brown is darker and more chocolate-ee than what we see pictured in the subject car above. :) Also, the top appears to be saddle, vinyl top color 93t. That's the way it appears to me. A rare color combination. :)

I think that car looks fantastic for 800 bucks and I'd buy it if I were you! :) :) Let us know what happens.......

Dave

Bro-Ham
11-25-09, 01:09 AM
Oh, one more thing, leather wrapped steering wheel rim was an option for both deVilles and Fleetwood Broughams in 1984 - - not standard on either model.

greencadillacmatt
11-25-09, 01:19 AM
Is it possible the center horn button was replaced at some point with a wreath & crest Fleetwood style one? Yes, the deVille should have been originally equipped with the "V" on the steering wheel, although 1984 was an accidental model year for the rear drive deVille since the new front drive deVille was delayed to mid year 1984 and called a 1985 and once the small front drive deVille came out the "V" was no longer available since all Cadillacs then had the wreath and crest. Is it possible production changed to all wreaths for this interior piece in anticipation and pre-production for the 1985 models which used the same steering wheel? The steering column color appears to be the same as the interior color.

Bro-Ham, you venerable fountain of information! I think that was exactly what happened. Being an '84 DeVille owner, and having read what you said, I started looking through the pictures of my car. My center horn button has the wreath and crest as well. As far as I know, it has never been replaced. Good eye, my friend! ;)

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
11-25-09, 01:19 AM
Go for it. The 4100 ain't the best motor but if it blows, just throw in a 307. For $800 that is definitely worth every penny.

Trindaddy
11-25-09, 01:24 AM
Thanks for weighing in guy's, looks like I am at the right place.

I bought the car (knew I would), and just drove it about 15 miles home. Here is some info/issues.

The wheel covers apparently were an insurance replacement 5 years ago when the originals were "liberated".

Roof has slight weather wear on top towards the front center, and one edge that has lifted about 1" long down by doorframe.

Crawled under it and found no rust to really speak of, but both driver and passenger front doors each have a bubble area about 2" each at bottom door lip that need to be addressed.

Needs shocks. Rides like a cloud, and maybe I am not used to the vehicle weight, but they "feel" a little worn. Brakes are solid and recently replaced (receipt). Windows go up and down real slowwww.

Tranny shifts like butter, can barely feel the shift of gear. Front end feels tight with no drift. Slightest of right pull.

Interior is as good as pics show. Drivers seat has lost some firmness but not broken down. One map light burned out, all other lamps and dash displays fine.

No receipts to say so, but the thermostat bell housing has been gotten into at some point, and it looks like the water pump was replaced too. Everything else looks original. No engine noise, no roughness of idle or hard start. I will have it tuned all the same.

One reverse light bulb burned, all other exterior lighting good. Chrome is excellent.

The obvious bad: red "no charge" light was on when sitting turned off, and went off while test driving. Battery is 3 years old from Les Schwab. Air noise from drivers door seal in upper corner. No charge light is now off when turned off, but now on while driving since getting home. Coil? Alternator? Worse? Yellow check engine light came on for about a minute while at 60mph on second drive after being home, cleared itself and yet to return.

Someone mentioned something about being too clean. I felt the same way looking at the paint. The door seal and trunk rubber seal are like perfect. I am having a hard time believing they are 25 years old. The paint is in really good shape, and I searched every nook and cranny for signs of repaint....but couldn't find it. I feel like it is a repaint and the seals all replaced, but can't prove it yet.

So, now I am an owner. And I am digging the knowledge you guys have here and your sharing of it.

Thanks for pointing out the steering wheel and column, Sven914! I didn't notice it and didn't know. And knowing that now has me wondering even more about the car. The combo of that, the good looking paint, and the seals have me wondering. Title is good (not branded), and I can't fathom a wreck that would require a column replacement not being severe enough for a salvage title. Any more knowledge greatly appreciated.

Matter of fact, whats the take on the "no charge" light oddity and the brief "service engine" yellow light episode?

Bro-Ham, you know your stuff, Buddy. I wanna be your new best friend. Two sets of keys, both gold. Owners manual too with jacket!

Thanks people!

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
11-25-09, 01:37 AM
Mine likes to turn on the engine light at odd times as well. Usually its right after a cold start on humid days. It has only done it like 4 times in my 1 year of ownership. Its just some odd parameter the computer doesn't like, so it turns on the idiot light. I know how to pull codes but it doesn't really bother me. As long as the light goes off it means the computer no longer thinks anything is wrong. There is a sticky at the top of the thread on how to pull codes. Basically, just hold off and warmer on the climate control center at the same time and it will start flashing them at you.

The no charge is perplexing though. With the car off and the ignition on, the light should be turned on. That is a normal function of the bulb test. The coolant light, oil pressure light and the charge light should be on, at least that's how mine works. If anything its a bad voltage regulator as the alternators themselves rarely go bad unless the bearings are shot.

greencadillacmatt
11-25-09, 01:45 AM
If it was the yellow "Service Engine Soon" light, it usually comes on when there is a small problem with the emissions system, and turns off when that small problem resolves itself. My '84 DeVille does that sometimes, and isn't usually something to worry about. Good luck with the beautiful new Caddy! :welcome:

sven914
11-25-09, 01:49 AM
Bro-ham: Man you the Devil. Everything you say is true. I can't find one thing to refute you about!

de Ville's in '84 did receive the Fleetwood Brougham steering wheel, probably because of the change over to FWD. That would also explain why there were no "HT4100" emblems on the front fenders. Also, Cadillac Gold Keys only came with the wreath crest. And according to motorera.com, leather trimmed steering wheels were only an option for the Fleetwood Brougham.

In trying to disprove Bro-Ham, I found proof to what he says:

1984 Sedan de Ville from Cardomain.com (there were others, but this was the best picture of the horn button)

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2124/961/5307980037_medium.jpg

And a brief history the Cadillac Key

http://www.key-men.com/images/caddy_keys.gif

Bro-Ham
11-25-09, 01:49 AM
One more thing on this steering wheel wreath and crest in a deVille business: I am fairly certain I've seen other '84 deVilles with the wreath and crest steering wheel center. I'm thinking of a super low mile '84 deVille I saw on eBay maybe 1 year ago at a Texas dealer who sells many cars on eBay and the car was unique because it was so lacking in options - bench seat, no vinyl top, standard wheel covers. Anyway, I recall seeing the wreath and crest steering wheel and wondered what happened to the "V" which made me think something was odd but seeing this deVille in our thread with the same steering wheel now makes me think. I bet the production of the steering wheel "V" had ended in anticipation of all wreaths and crests for the all new deVille and Cadillac probably ran out of the "V" and started putting in the wreath and crest so they wouldn't have to order more of the old part. What do you think? :)

Remember, 1984 was only a half production year for the deVille because the '85 front drive deVille was introduced as an early 1985 model year car but the front driver came out in the winter of '84/'85 and then production of the rear drive deVille stopped while the Fleetwood Brougham carried on. Before gas got cheap again (thanks President Reagan!) the rear drive deVille and Fleetwood were both to be replaced by the front wheel drive "C" body deVille/Fleetwood at the beginning of the 1984 model year. Production difficulties delayed the front drive cars to mid year and kept the 1984 rear drive cars going and Cadillac decided not to kill the Fleetwood Brougham since sales were still strong with traditional luxury buyers naturally still demanding the big car. :) Our U.S. strength kept gas prices cheap and big cars selling throughout the 1980's. Cadillac had to rethink the model line and kept on making the Brougham as sales surprisingly still briskly came in year after year but it took forever for any updating (finally happened in 1990 after virtually NO updates for TEN years from 1980 through 1989) and a semi-modern restyling (the new body stretched over the old car 1993-96 Fleetwood). Thankfully Lincoln had the same basic Town Car for the same ten year period introduced in 1980 and stlightly revised in 1985 which ran unchanged through 1989. Lincoln did a nice job in 1990 with restyling the Town Car and that is why we saw the revised 1990-92 Brougham and that most likely spurred the restyled 1993-96 Fleetwood.

Lincoln sold the Town Car like crazy in the 1980's while Cadillac dithered pouring big money into developing and marketing the mini front drive 1985 deVille/Fleetwood and the next year the micro 1986 Eldo/Seville Cadillac had bet so heavily on. Had carter won re-election in 1980 and our strategic position in the middle east had remained so uncertain then Cadillac would have bet correctly with the tiny and more fuel efficient cars. Given a choice, luxury buyers will always buy big, comfortable, imposing, all-American cars! :) Today, as global warming, climate change - - whatever you want to call it - - becomes debunked plus the exposure of the misery of liberalism, we will once again overcome and see a logical return to American greatness and we WILL drive big cars again as the measure of our freedom. :) I'm driving '79 Cad every day for this reason and I wish the best to the new owner of the beautiful 1984 deVille we're all so tickled to see purchased today by our new member! Enjoy!! :) :)

greencadillacmatt
11-25-09, 02:05 AM
(wipes tear from eye) Bravo!

Bro-Ham
11-25-09, 02:06 AM
Leather wrapped steering wheel was an option on the 1984 deVille. Leather wrapped steering wheel was a new option starting in 1981 and the 1981 official Cadillac sales brochure describes it as follows: "Leather-Trimmed Steering Wheel. New for Fleetwood Broughams and DeVilles." I have the 1984 price book at my office and can get the option code for the leather wrapped steering wheel if we want to get really, really anal. :) Anyway, Sven, one key picture not shown is the old school Cadillac key style which has a crest on one side and the GM logo on the other. This was the way Cadillac did them until the mid 1980's. Here is a picture of the set of keys to my car and you can see how the keys look with the crest but no wreath. The ignition key is shown with the GM side up and the round key with the crest side.

Trindaddy
11-25-09, 02:17 AM
Thanks guy's, you're great people.

Jayoldschool, that sticker is perfectly legible and have the rundown now, thanks.

Dirt_cheap_fleetwood, thanks for voltage regulator tip. Will get into it tomorrow and let you know if you pegged it. Belts are good on alternator.

Bro-Ham, I checked the door jam for the color codes. You're scary savvy.

I think I have a lead on the "service soon" light episode; lighting was bad at their place and I only looked for oil/gas in air filter pan, didn't get good look at air filter itself.....seriously gray and not getting good air.

Wife says I am more enamored with this thing than the new truck I bought last year.

Bro-Ham
11-25-09, 02:44 AM
Here is the picture of the keys to my '79 Sedan deVille. Notice the old style keys had the crest with no wreath on one side and the GM logo on the opposite side. :)

Thanks for the comments above. I have a love and sincere passion for these big cars cars. They are a symbol of American prestige and greatness that I hold dear and defend vigorously. I'm no mechanic though even though I was in the car business for 17 years. I do have a pretty good product knowledge (models, options, features, colors, general obscure trivia) of the RWD deVille/Fleetwoods/factory Limousines from the mid-1970's through the mid-1980's.

I was 16 in 1984 when the deVille in this thread was new. I collected car brochures and literature from the dealers and the information I refer to is stuff that I picked up in person from my many visits to the dealers all throughout my youth. :)

Anyway, we all have our expertise in this forum and that's the beauty of it! We all help each other get full enjoyment of our automobiles. :) Enjoy your '84 and welcome!!!!

Bro-Ham
11-25-09, 03:16 AM
Bro-ham: Man you the Devil. Everything you say is true. I can't find one thing to refute you about!

de Ville's in '84 did receive the Fleetwood Brougham steering wheel, probably because of the change over to FWD. That would also explain why there were no "HT4100" emblems on the front fenders. Also, Cadillac Gold Keys only came with the wreath crest. And according to motorera.com, leather trimmed steering wheels were only an option for the Fleetwood Brougham.

In trying to disprove Bro-Ham, I found proof to what he says:

1984 Sedan de Ville from Cardomain.com (there were others, but this was the best picture of the horn button)

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2124/961/5307980037_medium.jpg

And a brief history the Cadillac Key

http://www.key-men.com/images/caddy_keys.gif

Sven, Don't doubt me. :) hahahahaha :) :) :) FYI, Cadillacs with the HT4100 V8 had the huge HT4100 badge on the fenders in 1982 and 1983 only - not in 1984 or 1985. I'm sure Cadillac decided to stop advertising their small engine once gas got cheap and big cars with big engines were what buyers were seeking in the early/mid 80's and beyond.

Warren_R
11-25-09, 05:17 AM
Is it too late to add my applause & appreciation for Bro-Ham's stirring speech & contributed expertise? Long live Cadillac & the American way! :2thumbs: :patriot:

Stingroo
11-25-09, 08:31 AM
Well Trin, I would be more enamored with a DeVille than a truck too -- it's cooler. ;)

I'm glad the car came back good. I was worried for a bit that for $800 you'd be walking into a mechanical nightmare or something. Good on you for finding such a good deal. Hope you stick around, this forum is a lot of fun, even for a younger guy like me. I practically live in the RWD forum and the Cadillac Lounge. lol

outsider
11-25-09, 10:02 AM
congrats on the buy, man...for $800 the car could have been just a shell and still be worth every penny.

My check engine light comes on randomly as a result of my throttle position sensor. it has yet to be a serious problem so I haven't replaced it...

Cadillacboy
11-25-09, 01:17 PM
I hope you will enjoy your Cadillac :)
Congrats and I would also like to thank you to everyone for mentioning the facts between Fleetwoods and DeVilles

77CDV
11-25-09, 02:39 PM
Very well bought, and for $800, you can afford to correct the minor deficiencies. Outstanding car!

Trindaddy
11-25-09, 03:35 PM
Thanks for all the well wishings, appreciate it.

So, trouble shooting the "service soon" light gave me two codes:

52- No worry.

39- No idea if I should worry. (TCC Engagement Problem )

I searched the forum, but maybe I am missing an archive or something. Finding little in the forums about Code 39. I did find a thread that led here-

http://www.caddyinfo.com/howtop039.htm not sure that would apply to this Deville.

Since that's the only code I pulled (aside from the 52), I assume it is related to the check engine light. No transmission symptoms though....at least none obvious.

I was about 60 mph and had just set the cruise for a minute to test it before I got the check engine light.

You guy's are the guru's. Should I look to the TCC solenoid, a new PROM just to see, or pretend I don't know the code is there until it gives out?

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
11-25-09, 03:45 PM
Pretend the code doesn't exist. There are people that have driven tens of thousands of miles on their car with a bad TCC lock solenoid. That is the problem, the solenoid goes bad, its nothing to do with the computer. If you live in a state that does emissions testing you will have to get it fixed or you will fail the test. If the torque converter doesn't lock up, you simply lose about 1 mpg at highway speed, that's it. Its nothing major and having it not lock up will not cause damage to any other components.

Trindaddy
11-25-09, 03:57 PM
Pretend the code doesn't exist. There are people that have driven tens of thousands of miles on their car with a bad TCC lock solenoid. That is the problem, the solenoid goes bad, its nothing to do with the computer. If you live in a state that does emissions testing you will have to get it fixed or you will fail the test. If the torque converter doesn't lock up, you simply lose about 1 mpg at highway speed, that's it. Its nothing major and having it not lock up will not cause damage to any other components.

Thanks, Dirt_cheap_fleetwood.

Hahaha, that's good/bad news. I live in a state that does do emissions testing; Oregon. Although it is a basic curb idle test so maybe I have a chance.

If I can't pass it, I may set the record for shortest ownership around here!

outsider
11-25-09, 04:14 PM
can't you register it as an antique? In Maine if you register as an antique (25 years or older) you don't even need it inspected

Trindaddy
11-25-09, 04:27 PM
can't you register it as an antique? In Maine if you register as an antique (25 years or older) you don't even need it inspected

Hey, are you a Mainer? If so me too (Bowdoinham)! Been out here for about 4 years now.

In Oregon they have two cities that require emissions on a vehicle of that year, and I live in Portland which is one of them. The details on the test are here-


The Basic Emissions Test is a single-speed “curb idle” test that analyzes emissions for hydrocarbon and carbon monoxide levels. The vehicle is placed in park (automatic transmission) or neutral (manual transmission) with the emergency brake applied and idles for 30 seconds. Curb idling must not exceed 1300 revolutions per minute. If the vehicle fails this first curb idle test, the engine is taken up to 2500 revolutions per minute for 30 seconds to precondition the catalyst for a second curb idle test. The second curb idle test also lasts for 30 seconds. A vehicle passes the test if emissions meet the appropriate levels in either the first or second curb idle test.

Edit: Update. No go with the emissions. Man, wife is not happy with my stupid self for not knowing the code-check thing last night. Live and learn eh?

sven914
11-25-09, 04:53 PM
Hey I actually have a funny story about a key like this.

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/attachments/rwd-19xx-1984-deville-fleetwood-1985/54053d1259130417t-wannabe-owner-has-chance-feedback-appreciated-img_4331-50.jpg

About 15 years ago, I was at the Sussex County Farm and Horse Show, in Sussex N.J., watching some poor Cadillac get destroyed in the demolition derby. After the feature, I went down to the pit area, because I wanted to see the destruction up close, and I saw that Cadillac sitting in a heap with the other wrecks. I noticed the ignition key was still in the ignition, which was in the run position, and being 6, I though nothing of taking it. It was the same kind of key Bro-Ham posted; the Cadillac crest on one side with GM "Mark Of Excellence" on the reverse.

Last year, I bought a new set of Gold Key blanks, and mistakenly took them to ACE Hardware to get them cut. The key cutter dude skull F*ed the Gold Key blank and my GM silver ignition key. At 2:30 the next morning, not being able to sleep, I began dragging out all of my useless crap, and looking for a collection of car keys I used to have. I finally found the Ignition key from that long dead derby car, and compared it to my spare key (that wasn't destroyed), and I noticed that all of the grooves were shallower on the old key than on mine. Also funny was that it was a "C", just like mine. So the next day, I took the key to ACE and had the same key cutter dude, re-cut the old key to match my ignition key.

The key works the ignition. I drive my car around with a ignition key, stolen 15 years ago, from a '70' something Cadillac sedan, that died that day, years ago, and is buried and forgotten in some New Jersey junk yard.:D

outsider
11-25-09, 05:55 PM
yup a mainer. south portland right now

Stingroo
11-25-09, 07:26 PM
South Portland eh? I used to live in Kennebunk. :)

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dirt_cheap_fleetwood
11-26-09, 02:38 AM
Trindaddy, don't worry about that test, you will pass. Here in IL they no longer run the car on a dyno or put a probe in the exhaust pipe to test the gasses. They hook into the computer on your car and check for emissions codes that are current or recent. Since in your state they don't actually run your car on the dyno or hook into the computer, they will never know there is a code stored. You're still in the clear. :2thumbs:

Stingroo
11-26-09, 02:50 AM
Or just be cool: move to Florida. All you need is wheels and a tag, and you can run it pretty much.

There are some of the most ridiculous cars ever in this state... vehicles missing body panels, cars like my dad's old Cutlass that don't even HAVE exhaust... whatever. If it drives, it rides.

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
11-26-09, 03:09 AM
In IL anything '95 and older doesn't have to do emissions tests. Lets just say the exhaust on the Lincoln no longer conforms to emissions standards. :D

84phonebone
11-26-09, 04:02 AM
In IL anything '95 and older doesn't have to do emissions tests. Lets just say the exhaust on the Lincoln no longer conforms to emissions standards. :D

I wish they would have similar rules here in Kali-fornia. My '84 Sedan de Ville will not pass smog, and since the engine control computer and/or the environmental control unit or the wiring may be shot, the car may need to be junked. :( I hate for this to happen, and for this to be my first post.

Learning a lot here in my first day, though! :cool2:

77CDV
11-26-09, 04:59 PM
Hey, Trin, don't sweat it too much. You knew the car was too nice for a mere $800, and now you know why. On the plus side, since you only paid $800, whatever work needs to be done to get the car to pass smog will still leave you with positive equity in the car. She's really too nice a ride to give up on so soon. Take heart! :)

Craig

Bro-Ham
11-27-09, 01:43 PM
Sell in a state with no emmissions testing. A buyer should show up from eBay. Hell, I'm half tempted to consider it if you're selling it. Good luck! :) Dave

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-27-09, 02:54 PM
Dave, your '79 needs a little sister. :)

dirt_cheap_fleetwood
11-27-09, 03:39 PM
Why are y'all telling him to sell it? It won't fail the emissions test since all they do is test the gasses at idle. The car never even goes into gear meaning the code will not pop up.

sven914
11-27-09, 08:59 PM
Or he could just get the Solenoid fixed. It only cost $45 installed, and most transmission places can do it.

The only problem is that they have to drop the trans pan, and drain the fluid, and you might as well have them change the filter, so the final bill is probably going to be about $100.

Bro-Ham
11-27-09, 09:19 PM
For $100 just fix it. What a super neat car. Let's see, he'll have $900 in this car after the repair. How can you go wrong?! :) :)