: Alignment Issues!



jjhammer
11-07-09, 10:23 PM
I finally took my car in today for a much needed alignment since I had recnetly replaced my control arms. The alignment specialist informed me that he could not adjust the camber as there is no adjustment on the struts. He said that aftermarket struts would probably have them. Is camber that important? Also does this mean that the struts on my car are original? The previous owner assured me that he replaced them. Thanks!

JRomano
11-08-09, 12:43 AM
sounds more like a lazy mechanic to me, as far as i know, all you need to do is loosen the strut-to-spindle mounting bolts and give the top of the wheel some light taps to tilt it to the correct camber angle and tighten the strut mounting bolts back up when you're done. ive had alignment shops say the same thing to me with other cars and since i knew what i was doing basically instructed them as they went along, it was a joke. i don't trust any mechanic aside from myself, but i don't have an $80k laser alignment machine at home.

CateraMV6
11-08-09, 03:07 AM
Stock ones have a bit of a slack on the bottom hole I think and that allows for some adjustment but nothing more then a degree or so. Any more then that and you will need a special bolt.

Otherwise if your struts have just round holes rather then elliptical then they may have been replaced at some point.

As far as specs go my car is perfect with 2.2°rear and 1°front. Handles like its on rails. Tire wear is also very good.

elvin315
11-09-09, 06:45 PM
The mechanic is an idiot. It has nothing to do with whether the struts are stock or aftermarket. One of the strut/spindle mounting bolts has a cam that changes the caster angle when turned. It's a factory part. There are aftermarket bolts with a bigger cam to increase the adjustment range for a more precise adjustment.

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http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/iec-i-81260_w.jpg (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/IEC-I-81260/)

Cadi Cat
11-10-09, 12:25 AM
Which do you mean... this is the adjustment for the camber or caster? Reason I ask is my alignment shop I take my car to states that the caster is fixed and is no adjustment for it according to the factory specs. If the caster IS adjustable please give me some info on this cuz mine is pretty far off.
Thanks!


The mechanic is an idiot. It has nothing to do with whether the struts are stock or aftermarket. One of the strut/spindle mounting bolts has a cam that changes the caster angle when turned. It's a factory part. There are aftermarket bolts with a bigger cam to increase the adjustment range for a more precise adjustment.

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http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/iec-i-81260_w.jpg (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/IEC-I-81260/)

CateraMV6
11-10-09, 02:08 AM
Front can be adjusted in 2 ways...

Camber via bolts on the strut
Toe via the steering links

Camber can be adjusted within a degree with only the stock slack between the bolt diameter and the strut hole.


The rear on the other hand can only have its TOE adjusted via the bar that sits behind the control arm.

For camber adjustment you can swap out the bushings on the control arms and with that you would be able to adjust those.

elvin315
11-10-09, 05:51 PM
Which do you mean... this is the adjustment for the camber or caster? Reason I ask is my alignment shop I take my car to states that the caster is fixed and is no adjustment for it according to the factory specs. If the caster IS adjustable please give me some info on this cuz mine is pretty far off.
Thanks!

Brain Fart. Those bolts are for the CAMBER. My manuals are in storage so I can't help with the caster though I believe it might be adjusted by shifting the strut's top mounting bolts. Toe-in is adjusted via the steering tie-rod ends.

jjhammer
11-11-09, 10:03 AM
I am going to take my car back this weekend and see if He can adjust it the proper way. My steering wheel is not straight and that is the main reason I took it in. For some reason it bothers me.do the front tie rods adjust the steering wheel? Thanks for all the help!

V8Catera
11-13-09, 09:33 PM
Yes the tie rod adjustment will center the steering wheel. the tech should of centered the steering wheel then set toe. but before he set toe he should of set your camber instead of being lazy. caster though im not sure you can change, ive never tried on mine because they are both in spec, but you might want to check if you have bent parts, like control arms, or mounts, bent struts, and so on.
hope it helps.

eastsidercaddy
11-17-09, 01:25 AM
yeah, CASTER, correct me if im wrong but thats the space within the wheel well to the left and right of the tire? i know camber and toe, which the camber on all 4 of my tires is feathering the inside and the caster on my left rear wheel is off because i spun-out and hit a curb on that side.

My caster is unfixable unless i get a new rear sub frame, which ain't happening. But all adjustments are fixable exept for caster, which you probably have some bent components as thats the only way to knock that out of place. My rear left wheel has 3 fingers width inside the well to the left, and to the right has only 2 finger withs, where as they should both be evenly spaced to the left and right. Hope that helps.

elvin315
11-18-09, 06:50 PM
yeah, CASTER, correct me if im wrong but thats the space within the wheel well to the left and right of the tire?

When you say left and right is your reference view as you look at the tire as if you were changing it? Or front and rear as you sit in the car. Sorry that I'm dense but I can't visualise it.