Hey, I have to get your opinion on something. Well, to begin with, I am only 16 years old. Only about $600 in the bank, no job currently, but applied for many places. Let's cut to the chase.

My step-mother handed down a 2003 Honda Pilot to me for my first car, but only because she was receiving a new car. I have ALWAYS loved old cars, and upon searching Craigslist, I found the car I wanted. It was a 1973 Cadillac El Dorado convertible. I stayed in contact with him, but he mysteriously took down the offer. So, I continued searching, and currently I am interested in a 1969 Cadillac Coupe DeVille convertible. Now, my brother and his friends keep telling me that I should stay with the Honda Pilot. But, I just am in love with the old cadillacs! I find myself constantly looking at pictures and videos, you see I'm on these forums, and even my desktop background is a Cadillac Coupe DeVille.

But, anyhow, they tell me not to get it because the Pilot is a nice SUV, and that if I have any problems with the 69 Caddy then the parts will be really expensive and they tell me how bad the gas will be. But, if I get a part time job, the gas will be not a problem, seeing as I can get the money in one days of work. I see no problem in the parts, either, because after reading these forums everyone states how Cadillacs almost never fail.

Summary: Family and friends telling me 69 Cadillac will be too expensive to take care of, but I am in love with the car. Is it practical for a kid of 16 years of age to be driving around a car like this?

Thanks a lot! I really hope you read this! :D

An old car is a big responsibility. The parts are readily available, if you know where to look, but if don't know how to put the parts on and correctly fix the car, then your spending more money than you have. That car, in perfect running order, gets a fuel economy of 10- 14mpg, which can drain you fast.

'60's Car are eaisier to work on, engine wise, because they have less electronics. Almost everything is serviceable, without special tools, and there is plenty of information on how to fix it. Cadillac only used the '69 body for '69 and '70, which limits that amount of available body parts, but the engine (472) was used from 1967 to 1974, and a lot of the interior trim and electronics are interchangeable into the '70's.

Paste the link to the ad into a post, so we can see the condition of the car, compared to the price. A 1969 Cadillac Coupe de Ville is definatly a rare opportunity, that should not be passed up.

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/1416057014.html

He messaged back really quick the first day I texted him, but now he hasn't texted the past three days and each of those days I left him with a message.

Sweet, another Jacksonville person! I would honestly have to see better quality pics WITHOUT the rims to judge though.

basically going to agree with sven...

If you're handy and like to work on cars, old cars are great because they're usually easier to work on than newer cars where everything is computerized and stuff...

as for gas, 10-14 MPG on a good day if the car is running like new. Probably closer to 8-12 nowadays...but it's worth every drop of gasoline to me :)

Sweet, another Jacksonville person! I would honestly have to see better quality pics WITHOUT the rims to judge though.

Oh, no! Please don't buy it off of him!! :lol:

But, I am trying to call him and take a look at it, but he is not answering. It's really making me stressed because I am really interested!!

And I'm not too handy. I have experience with changing out computer parts, that's about it. But if there are directions, I should be able to do it. My goal is that there aren't any problems!! (which is anyone's goal, haha.)

Do you think the price is right, though?

Oh, and on the MPG situation, all I really do is drive to school and to parties/friends on the weekends. Furthest I have driven so far in the pilot was to Middleburg High School for a football game, which was only about 15 miles.

Nah man, I've got no money for that. lol

I'm a student at JU. :) I'm not allowed to have money. (Don't believe me? Take a look at tuition for this place!)

Nah man, I've got no money for that. lol

I'm a student at JU. :) I'm not allowed to have money. (Don't believe me? Take a look at tuition for this place!)

Haha, I go to FIHS (Fleming Island). I'm going to apply with Bright Future Scholarship to UF, FSU, UCF, and USF. So, hopefully if that goes through, more money on the Cadillac! I'm not a weed smoker or alcoholic so my money doesn't go to drugs, and I'm not a flashy individual so I don't have to worry about money for chains, watches, and clothes. Strictly all my money for my soon-to-be Cadillac!

Go for what your gut tells you, it's a learning cycle,your too young to be practical,you will have many years of having to be responsible and practical.

Ewwww FSU. Gross.

UF is nice, but good luck getting in, the app pool is huge because everyone and their mother wants to go there. A few people I know applied to UCF and the consensus was that they felt like they were just accepting everybody... but I don't know. Good luck though. :)

Go for what your gut tells you, it's a learning cycle,your too young to be practical,you will have many years of having to be responsible and practical.

I have to be practical, though. If this doesn't go through, I will be without a car.

But, if I sell the Pilot for $12,000 (which the appraisal states it goes for) and buy this Cadillac for $6,000, then that'd be $6,000 in repairs/upgrades, which seems like a decent cash pool to go out of. Plus, if I get a job, which should happen sooner or later due to all of the applications I have filled out, I should be racking up the big bucks. (Not really, but on a 16 year old level, yes.)

Why ew to FSU? It's a nice school! This is the rank of schools I want to go to:

1. FSU
2. UF
3. UCF
4. USF

I have to be practical, though. If this doesn't go through, I will be without a car.

But, if I sell the Pilot for $12,000 (which the appraisal states it goes for) and buy this Cadillac for $6,000, then that'd be $6,000 in repairs/upgrades, which seems like a decent cash pool to go out of. Plus, if I get a job, which should happen sooner or later due to all of the applications I have filled out, I should be racking up the big bucks. (Not really, but on a 16 year old level, yes.)

Why ew to FSU? It's a nice school! This is the rank of schools I want to go to:

1. FSU
2. UF
3. UCF
4. USF

Your very fortunate at the age of 16 to have a problem of what to do with $12,000.00, (my old side is coming out now) look outside the box
and find a nice eldorado for 5 or 6 grand, go look at some, you might get hooked. I think a 69 could be money pit. A caddy of some kind with a 4.9
or 4.5 engine would be very practical.

If you have the money, you can't go wrong with a full resto.

But... In the past three years of owning my first car and Cadillac, I've paid triple the purchase price with repairs, which were all routine maintenance and have at least equaled it with fuel costs (and I've only driven 20,000 miles).

Ew to FSU because the Gators are epic.

But really, I owe my life to UF, so FSU is for the loss. lol

Your very fortunate at the age of 16 to have a problem of what to do with $12,000.00, (my old side is coming out now) look outside the box
and find a nice eldorado for 5 or 6 grand, go look at some, you might get hooked. I think a 69 could be money pit. A caddy of some kind with a 4.9
or 4.5 engine would be very practical.

I don't have $12,000 just sitting around. I have $12,000 if I go through with getting the Deville, because I would sell the SUV I have now and buy that and have the money left over.

And Sven, that scares me really bad. Was it in good condition when you purchased it?

I see you have taste. My first car was a 1964 Cadillac Coupe Deville. Don't listen to their rumors, the parts are actually cheaper than new parts (new radiators can be $1000). Another thing about these old caddys is you can actually fix them yourselves (you need a computer to do new cars).

The main problem you face is really fuel economy. The engine of the 1969 is even bigger than my 1964 Cadillac and it gets 10 mpg in the city or less. Don't let that effect your decision though. I got my 1964 Caddy for only 2400 and it still runs fine to this day. Hell, it's getting body work right now.

Personally I drive a 1960 Chevrolet Bel Air as my daily driver because it gets at least twice the fuel economy of my Cadillac but if you really want that Caddy don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

I know this is only my second post here, and hopefully I won't catch flack for saying this (if my plans go through I'll be needing everyone's help a good bit) but... DO NOT buy that car! It doesn't matter how reliable or simple to work on it may be, an old car is an old car. If you have no automotive experience this is a bad idea. There are approximately ten zillion things that can go wrong on a car and the instant you get one fixed another goes. I love old cars, but I'm also reasonably proficient with a wrench and always have at least one backup car. Further, oil futures are a financial instrument and when the economy picks back up so will gas prices. That 6k will go by pretty quickly so don't count on it for gas. A car with this much displacement is not a DD. It's a slick car, and I feel you because I've been there, but this is only a first car for someone who knows their way under the hood and has A LOT of money for gas. If you really want a Caddy, get an 80s RWD Brougham. Parts cost nothing and the gas mileage is very respectable. That's the car I learned to work on.

To avoid going OT too much and making the forum really hate me there's a few key things you should know about college that nobody is going to tell you. You basically have to learn everything the hard way... and too late. The #1 thing though is to not pick your school based on a football team (win or lose, everyone still gets drunk). I'm finishing up at FSU right now so I've dealt with it. Drop me a line and I'll give you whatever advice I can.
Bachrach307@hotmail.com

Bill

Hey, I have to get your opinion on something. Well, to begin with, I am only 16 years old. Only about $600 in the bank, no job currently, but applied for many places.
:D

I think its great that a youngster could be attracted to an older caddy. Even though the one in the picture isn't my idea of a caddy, none the less you need to sell the pilot first, then go from there. Everything always works out fine when we think and day dream. Getting in done to fall into place is another story.

Any caddy is a great investment and hobby. They are easy to work on, or learn to work on and parts are always available. Your question of "is it practical?" you know the answer to that. But most of us older caddy owners aren't concerned with practical. Welcome your one of us. You have done the right thing coming here, so your one step in the right direction. Keep us posted, or else......:banghead:

if your pilot is appraised at 12 grand you probably will only get like 8 to 10 selling it I think. most people will try to lowball you

^ Truer words have never been spoken.

If you try and sell it, start it at say... 12,500. It's almost a given that you'll get at LEAST 1,000-2,000 knocked off via haggling, and if you don't haggle, people just won't deal with you. They'll play the "I'm not interested card" and hope you call them back, and if you don't, and still see you have it for sale, they'll call again if they haven't done anything else for a vehicle.

That's just my (not very) experienced advice though. I'm sure others will have a better picture of how to sell it.

I see where you're coming from Space Age, when I was 16-17, I would have KILLED for a '70 Eldorado. I was positive it would work too for daily driver usage too, even with it being the hog they are. Boy I'm glad I didn't get one though....it would have been too nice and too conspicuous to park in the high school lot, as it would have attracted the wrong attention. It would be a bear for repairs/maintenance...I mean how far do you have to look to find a guy that'll work on carburetors and do so fairly well? That's a dying skill. Gas would have been a bitch, especially working part time at a grocery store, like I did. And lastly, for all the style and coolness they have, they lack many modern niceties, such as ABS, airbags, modern seatbelts, cruise control (optional) and if not washed regularly, meaning weekly, they'll rust up fast.


But when I was that age, all I could think about was how cool it would be to slam the shifter into D and floor the gas and leave a 300 ft trail of smoking rubber in front of the other kids, leaving school every day. It certainly would have stood out as well, everyone would know who's it was, but that's not always a good thing.

Anyways, my best advice to you since you like the classic Caddies would be to buy an '80s or early '90s Brougham. They still have the classic lines and feel of the late '60s, '70s models, but they're much easier to navigate, built better, better on gas, and from '90 on, they have ABS standard. With the throttle body injected 5.7, it would be as quick as a high compression 472 or 500 powered Cad too. :)

That's what I really wanted, but I ended up test driving a few 4.9 deVilles and fell in love with those more, from a drive-ability standpoint. They handle sharper, ride almost as smooth, accelerate quicker, are easier on gas, just as roomy (more so in the rear seat), and are more modern overall.

So anyways, owning a Cadillac at 16-17 is very cool, but I'd certainly go with a much newer one. I'd still love a classic Cadillac, I want to wait a bit though so I can afford to have a 2nd car and baby it.

Chad = wins.

I think he petty much summed up this entire topic. lol

My first car that I bought outright (without parental influences) was a 1970 fleetwood brougham. It was the only car I had at the time and I drove it everywhere for years. I ran horrible when I got it and pretty much forced me to learn how to work on it. I wouldn't change that experience for anything. Do it now while you're young, it'll pay off later. The parts are cheap and readily available and there's limitless help on the internet, you can pretty much do anything yourself. Long after my '70 rotted away, the engine is still running strong as ever. These things will long outlast the plastic disposable cars of today.

...as long as you can afford the gas.

Thanks for all of the advice guys! Confidence rose with all of the people clarifying that parts are not a problem. The gas = :hide: haha

But to reply to Chad, I am not doing this for anyone else, I want it for me! I am willing to work on this car when need be, and am willing to take it up as my hobby. Currently, all I have for me to do is AP/Honors classes at school and video games. (Used to play sports, but stopped in high school so I can focus on AP) So, as you can see, there is a lot of downtime for me to focus on my dream car. Of course, when I get a job, that will be added to my schedule. But, still, I have tons of time to work on this project!

Once I head to college, (in about a year and a half) I will not have to worry about gas mileage one bit, due to my plans of staying in the dormitory. I plan on having this car for the rest of my life!!

Thanks again for all responses! I should've made a poll!

You sound like...

me.

You sound like...

me.

Haha, what do you mean?

Remember, we both live in Jacksonville! You may know one of my siblings :green:

Just out of curiosity, have you driven one before? When I first drove a luxo-yacht from that era ('77 Town Car), I actually felt very disappointed afterwords. Kinda like losing your virginity to a fat drunk chick, lol. Before the test drive, I knew it wouldn't drive like anything I knew, but I never imagined it would be so floaty, isolated and cumbersome. Those cars for the most part, are more fun for me to look at or ride in rather than they are to drive.

Which is why again that I bring up the '77-'92 Broughams. They don't drive as big or as cumbersome, even though they aren't much smaller on the outside and larger on the inside. Shortly before I drove that '77 Town Car, I drove a '90 Brougham D'Elegance with the 307, and I'd much rather live with that one on a daily basis, even with the 307 being as godawful lethargic as they are.

I have to be practical, though. If this doesn't go through, I will be without a car.

But, if I sell the Pilot for $12,000 (which the appraisal states it goes for) and buy this Cadillac for $6,000, then that'd be $6,000 in repairs/upgrades, which seems like a decent cash pool to go out of. Plus, if I get a job, which should happen sooner or later due to all of the applications I have filled out, I should be racking up the big bucks. (Not really, but on a 16 year old level, yes.)



If you need to be pratical then this is not the car for you, I HIGHLY doubt you will get 12k for the honda pilot, I buy and sell cars on the side and not only is there TERRIBLE low ballers out there but with the economy right now... I'm sorry its just not gonna happen..

I JUST sold my 67 Lincoln because it was eating me alive (and thats with me doing my own work.), and it was in pretty damn good condition, old cars are just VERY needy, not to say I dont LOVE them they are just needy.

If your in love with *Cadillac* get yourself an LT1 powered fleetwood (gonna be my next caddy purchase for sure) or a 4.9/5 powered Deville/Seville/Eldorado.

No, I don't live in Jacksonville, I just go to college here. lol

I can't say I have a "real" home city. I've lived in about 10 different towns, and no longer than 3 years for any of them. I currently "live" in Stuart, about 4 hours south of Jax.

They are really asking a lot for that 69. I've seen a perfect condition 1970 Cadillac for only 5 grand. I have to warn you though, don't start looking for tail fin caddys because, unless you're a veteran Cadillac buyer, you'll be swamped with bad deals too fast. Those Cadillacs with tail fins like mine are very valuable. I got lucky with my 2400 beauty.

Just out of curiosity, have you driven one before? When I first drove a luxo-yacht from that era ('77 Town Car), I actually felt very disappointed afterwords. Kinda like losing your virginity to a fat drunk chick, lol. Before the test drive, I knew it wouldn't drive like anything I knew, but I never imagined it would be so floaty, isolated and cumbersome. Those cars for the most part, are more fun for me to look at or ride in rather than they are to drive.

Which is why again that I bring up the '77-'92 Broughams. They don't drive as big or as cumbersome, even though they aren't much smaller on the outside and larger on the inside. Shortly before I drove that '77 Town Car, I drove a '90 Brougham D'Elegance with the 307, and I'd much rather live with that one on a daily basis, even with the 307 being as godawful lethargic as they are.

Only cars I have driven are SUVs, a Honda Civic, and a Mercedes Benz.

I do like all of the suggestions, but to be honest, I do not like any of the cars after the Fourth Generation era(1965-1970)

I put my Pilot up for $10,000, and received about 5 calls in the first week. So that part of the deal is going good, and yes I plan on them bargaining. But, remember, I can bargain the man with the Cadillac. That would still be, let's say, $3,000 for me to use or store. $3,000. Remember, I rarely drive far, so the gas won't be too big of a problem, especially if I get a job. If I do not get a job and no parts end up failing, that money alone will give me a year and a half for gas money. Not counting the guaranteed Birthday/Christmas money.

But remember, constant short trips are terrible on cars, especially older ones. They get all sorts of carbon build-up on the valves and the oil never gets hot enough to burn the gas out of it, so it eats it up from the inside. So atleast once a week, be sure to take it out and get it hot.

But remember, constant short trips are terrible on cars, especially older ones. They get all sorts of carbon build-up on the valves and the oil never gets hot enough to burn the gas out of it, so it eats it up from the inside. So atleast once a week, be sure to take it out and get it hot.

That doesn't sound good at all! But should be easily manageable, considering the driving time I do on the weekends.

From my house to school is about two miles, but due to traffic in the morning it takes about ten minutes. And for getting home, the parking lot was designed terribly, so it takes about twenty minutes.

Two miles? Man, I wouldn't even bother driving that car that far.

It's not worth it for all the risks that parking a nice car in a school parking lot entails. Just take the Pilot. You can fit more friends, and more friends stuff in it.

And Sven, that scares me really bad. Was it in good condition when you purchased it?

Yeah she was. About 60,000 original miles, and most of the repairs were for worn OE parts. The only thing mechanically wrong was a bad intake gasket, some vacuum leaks, and bad rear shocks.

That doesn't sound good at all! But should be easily manageable, considering the driving time I do on the weekends.

From my house to school is about two miles, but due to traffic in the morning it takes about ten minutes. And for getting home, the parking lot was designed terribly, so it takes about twenty minutes.

That was basically my morning commute to High School, and it was murder on my engine. I ended up having run-on/dieseling problems, a horrible idle, and engine leaks (from the vibration I would assume). It used to live on fuel system cleaner and premium gasoline. Even though I have all of that taken care of now, there are still lingering effects like timing issues, a rough idle, and occasional run-on.

When you get that car, don't be afraid to let it warm up for fifteen minutes on every cold start up. Letting it idle is just half of the fix; it needs to be driven at highway speeds for at least a half hour, three days a week (thats one of the things that made my engine run better; heated it up and got rid of the carbon). Instead of just driving from home to school and back, with twenty minutes of idling in between, find a route out of your way that will let the engine run at operating temp and at higher RPM's for a longer time.

Two miles? Man, I wouldn't even bother driving that car that far.

It's not worth it for all the risks that parking a nice car in a school parking lot entails. Just take the Pilot. You can fit more friends, and more friends stuff in it.

I don't understand that first part??

But, my brother had a real nice car and no one messed with it one bit. We have cameras at our school, also.

We don't go on road trips, and I think the most people I have driven were six. The Cadillac has a vast amount of trunk space, also.

Yeah she was. About 60,000 original miles, and most of the repairs were for worn OE parts. The only thing mechanically wrong was a bad intake gasket, some vacuum leaks, and bad rear shocks.



That was basically my morning commute to High School, and it was murder on my engine. I ended up having run-on/dieseling problems, a horrible idle, and engine leaks (from the vibration I would assume). It used to live on fuel system cleaner and premium gasoline. Even though I have all of that taken care of now, there are still lingering effects like timing issues, a rough idle, and occasional run-on.

When you get that car, don't be afraid to let it warm up for fifteen minutes on every cold start up. Letting it idle is just half of the fix; it needs to be driven at highway speeds for at least a half hour, three days a week (thats one of the things that made my engine run better; heated it up and got rid of the carbon). Instead of just driving from home to school and back, with twenty minutes of idling in between, find a route out of your way that will let the engine run at operating temp and at higher RPM's for a longer time.

Doesn't sound too bad. Also, I can apply to a further location for a job. It was going to end up that way, anyways, due to some of the applications to the locations close by saying they didn't have any job openings.

Oh, and I was browsing some other 1969 DeVille classified ads, and most of them said it was an excellent car for daily driving. Is this just a marketing scheme they are trying to use to persuade a buyer?

I'm saying basically what Sven said, but in simpler terms. Consider yourself lucky, you got a free Honda Pilot. You can drive that thing until you're done with college and still probably get 5k out of it.

maaan check it , i was in the same boat i wanted a cadillac for my first car, ended up with a 73 ranchero , wasnt practical , so i got a honda civic, sold the ranchero because it needed work and i didnt wana put money into something i didnt wana keep. got a full time job, saved up 5000, (easy when u live at home) then found my dream cadillac for 5g's, 67 sedan deville. my dad was out of town i went up to la from san deigo and bought it. he was furious when he found out that i spent so much money and didnt tell him, but, gues what, i was so happy, i love cruisin around in my boat and couldnt be happier. if its something you really want ur gunna end up with it anyway. all i know is that i wish i had it when i was in high school. and the way i see it, im still 18 livin at home, just pay 150 bucks a month for little bills here and there, i got money now to put into my caddy before i wana move out and barley have enough money to eat. get a job get enough money to buy a decent caddyy, of ur dreams and buy it!! and u want a convertible!!! ull have nothing but fun in that thing.

maaan check it , i was in the same boat i wanted a cadillac for my first car, ended up with a 73 ranchero , wasnt practical , so i got a honda civic, sold the ranchero because it needed work and i didnt wana put money into something i didnt wana keep. got a full time job, saved up 5000, (easy when u live at home) then found my dream cadillac for 5g's, 67 sedan deville. my dad was out of town i went up to la from san deigo and bought it. he was furious when he found out that i spent so much money and didnt tell him, but, gues what, i was so happy, i love cruisin around in my boat and couldnt be happier. if its something you really want ur gunna end up with it anyway. all i know is that i wish i had it when i was in high school. and the way i see it, im still 18 livin at home, just pay 150 bucks a month for little bills here and there, i got money now to put into my caddy before i wana move out and barley have enough money to eat. get a job get enough money to buy a decent caddyy, of ur dreams and buy it!! and u want a convertible!!! ull have nothing but fun in that thing.

I love this response. Love it. I think you are the most like the one in my situation.

I was talking it over with one of my friends, and even if the Cadillac situation ****s over, I will still have those extra grands left over in the bank. There are countless cars on the side of the road for $5,000 tops. I could always go with one of those. Hell, there is a nice Oldsmobile up at Walmart for about $5,000 in good condition.

Once again, loved the response. Thanks.


P.S. Sting, I typed out a response, but it just made me look like a bitchy person. It wasn't towards you, but just how I was describing how bad I wanted this Cadillac.

I had to reply on this one as I enjoy watching it evolve. My first new Cadillac was a 1969 DeVille (had a used one before...another story) That was one of the finest ever automobiles built. Confort was beyond belief. As far as gas milage, better than a Chev. On the road it got 17-18 which at the time n one would believe. I forget the town traffic milage, but probably 15 or so. I had mine for about two years and put over 80,000 miles on it.....was on the road then. I still remember it as one of the best.

And this is a convertable.....wow! Get it. I still think I could work on that one. As far as the carb., Rochester 4G if I remember right. If you can still get kits for them, piece of cake.....just really a cleaning, check the shafts, re-gaskets and new to go. At lest then you could set the mixture jets and get the idle to balance a .50 piece on the manafold.

Enough rambling....am Excited for you.

Ray

Do you have the pilot signed to your name? If you don't I don't think you have a choice in selling it.

Also you WILL have to be willing to work on it. That's the only way you can keep it. PS, if the car is anything like mine it'll be a pain in the ass to open the hood unless you have tiny strong fingers.

I had to reply on this one as I enjoy watching it evolve. My first new Cadillac was a 1969 DeVille (had a used one before...another story) That was one of the finest ever automobiles built. Confort was beyond belief. As far as gas milage, better than a Chev. On the road it got 17-18 which at the time n one would believe. I forget the town traffic milage, but probably 15 or so. I had mine for about two years and put over 80,000 miles on it.....was on the road then. I still remember it as one of the best.

And this is a convertable.....wow! Get it. I still think I could work on that one. As far as the carb., Rochester 4G if I remember right. If you can still get kits for them, piece of cake.....just really a cleaning, check the shafts, re-gaskets and new to go. At lest then you could set the mixture jets and get the idle to balance a .50 piece on the manafold.

Enough rambling....am Excited for you.

Ray

Thanks! Another positive response, just what I needed! I am bought with it and am going to go through with getting it. Only if this guy would message back! I'm going to definitely call him tomorrow and try to set up a time where I can actually test-drive it and take a look. He said not many people have called, so I bet he hasn't sold it yet!

Although, I had no clue about the parts you were explaining! Haha.

And, yes, the title is under my name. My step-mother left me with that to deal with, which cost me about a grand. :rant2:

Thanks again.

You want to know a little tip about those Caddy's when it comes to opening their hood?

Just be sure to take a really close look at it before you go through with it. Try not to get too emotional about it and you should be okay.

And holy crap, a thousand dollars to transfer? Or was this with insurance and stuff too?

Just be sure to take a really close look at it before you go through with it. Try not to get too emotional about it and you should be okay.

And holy crap, a thousand dollars to transfer? Or was this with insurance and stuff too?

The transfer and license plate. It killed me. Then I had to go for a few weeks without driving after all that money because she took the screws for her new car, too. And I could never get a ride to the Home Depot, and once I did, they didn't have any of the right sizes. :mad2:

You want to know a little tip about those Caddy's when it comes to opening their hood?

Sure?

Sure?

I know that sounded like ranting but once you have the car it will make perfect sense. In fact it's probably my biggest pet peeve against my Caddy (well, next to the brake booster and master cylinder failing on a 500 mile trip)

Most cars have either a way to open the hood from with in the car itself (newer cars) or a little lever underneath the hood in a very convenient place to steal engine parts (older cars)
However my caddy (and likely your future caddy) has a completely different system. The lever to open the hood is conveniently (sarcasm) placed in a tiny little place near the grill so you have to awkwardly put your finger in there and put your full strength (which sometimes isn't enough) to open the hood). I've only been able to open it a few times and I've had the car for several months.

I know that sounded like ranting but once you have the car it will make perfect sense. In fact it's probably my biggest pet peeve against my Caddy (well, next to the brake booster and master cylinder failing on a 500 mile trip)

Most cars have either a way to open the hood from with in the car itself (newer cars) or a little lever underneath the hood in a very convenient place to steal engine parts (older cars)
However my caddy (and likely your future caddy) has a completely different system. The lever to open the hood is conveniently (sarcasm) placed in a tiny little place near the grill so you have to awkwardly put your finger in there and put your full strength (which sometimes isn't enough) to open the hood). I've only been able to open it a few times and I've had the car for several months.

Haha, yes, at first I thought you were insulting me because I am such a youngster buying a classic car.

But, wow, that does sound like a pain! Once you and I get the hang of it, it should be like riding a bicycle!! :bouncy:

I know a lot of you have been saying some problems I will have, but believe me, this will be all worth it! As Manswers once said, "The only thing better than ladies are sweet cars." This is too true. If I do not get this car due to the seller mysteriously disappearing like the El Dorado I was going to get a while back, I would probably be the angriest I have ever been in my life.

Jeez. I got quoted $430 to do my tags. Duval county must REALLY suck. lol

Haha, yes, at first I thought you were insulting me because I am such a youngster buying a classic car.

But, wow, that does sound like a pain! Once you and I get the hang of it, it should be like riding a bicycle!! :bouncy:

I know a lot of you have been saying some problems I will have, but believe me, this will be all worth it! As Manswers once said, "The only thing better than ladies are sweet cars." This is too true. If I do not get this car due to the seller mysteriously disappearing like the El Dorado I was going to get a while back, I would probably be the angriest I have ever been in my life.

Don't fret sonny, there's plenty of land yachts in this sea.
Wow, there really aren't that many Old School Caddys in your area
http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/1456480626.html
http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/1456480626.html
These are the only ones I could find in a quick scan. What a shame, where I live there's plenty. Oh well.

I personally would recommend the tail fin Caddys but the first one is the only one I could find.

Don't fret sonny, there's plenty of land yachts in this sea.
Wow, there really aren't that many Old School Caddys in your area
http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/1456480626.html
http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/1456480626.html
These are the only ones I could find in a quick scan. What a shame, where I live there's plenty. Oh well.

I personally would recommend the tail fin Caddys but the first one is the only one I could find.

I love the 69/70 Caddys because they just are so sleek, large, and long, and kind of resemble a '64 Impala. (except, the backs of the caddys look so much better!) And the Convertible makes it look even better!

This is great for me, because "Let Me Ride" by Dr. Dre is one of my favorite songs.

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YouTube- DMX - Ain't No Sunshine ("Exit Wounds" OST) [Official HQ] My car was in a rap song to although I am not a fan of rap myself. I'm an oldies person.

YouTube- DMX - Ain't No Sunshine ("Exit Wounds" OST) [Official HQ] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0mXQil7N6Y) My car was in a rap song to although I am not a fan of rap myself. I'm an oldies person.

Haha, my favorite music is Hip-Hop, Rock, Oldies, and Classical!

Do you have any pictures of your caddy??

Haha, my favorite music is Hip-Hop, Rock, Oldies, and Classical!

Do you have any pictures of your caddy??

Well I do, it's just I don't have any recent photos, you see, it's in the body shop right now getting work done. http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/Bowserfire/017-1.jpghttp://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/Bowserfire/015-1.jpghttp://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/Bowserfire/016-1.jpghttp://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/Bowserfire/019-1.jpg

Personally I've gotten a lot done. There's 1 thing I really regret though, want to know what that is?

Oh and here's a video of it YouTube- View of my 1964 Cadillac Coupe Deville

Well I do, it's just I don't have any recent photos, you see, it's in the body shop right now getting work done. http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/Bowserfire/017-1.jpghttp://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/Bowserfire/015-1.jpghttp://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/Bowserfire/016-1.jpghttp://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/Bowserfire/019-1.jpg

Personally I've gotten a lot done. There's 1 thing I really regret though, want to know what that is?

Oh and here's a video of it YouTube- View of my 1964 Cadillac Coupe Deville (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hld5vQFEDQc)

Beautiful. Is that your blue one, too?

And what would that be?

Well it was mine. It's a 1956 Buick Special but I gave it to my mother in exchange for body work.

What I regret is replacing the (ripped) leather seats with Vinyl. One day I'll get it back to leather.

Well it was mine. It's a 1956 Buick Special but I gave it to my mother in exchange for body work.

What I regret is replacing the (ripped) leather seats with Vinyl. One day I'll get it back to leather.

How'd you have all that money for these fancy cars!?

How'd you have all that money for these fancy cars!?

It's called Social Security benefits and craigslist. Mostly I trade in cars for more value than I got them for.

Guess I'll weigh in. First off, the object of your affection has been "for sale" for-freakin'-ever. He had it posted on ebay some time back and I nearly hurled at the poor quality of the workmanship in the customization. If he's not calling you back after several attempts, he's exactly the kind of flake I pegged him for. Count yourself lucky and move on to greener pastures. Now, as to a '69 Cad as a DD. My first car was a '77 Coupe de Ville, which was 11 years old and 100K+ miles when I got it from my parents. Gas was pricey (in relative terms), but no one at school would ever mess with my car. My buddy's Honda seemed to attract the most abuse, but that could have just been him. Anyway, I've been hooked on Caddys ever since. I've driven other cars, but I always own a Cadillac. I can't imagine life without one, really.

Considering the money you have to spend, and your determination to have one of these as your first car, I strongly recommend a closed car (coupe or sedan), not a convertible. The closed cars are much more practical and just as stylish, esp. with their creased rear window (a really neat touch on the '69-'70 full-size Cads). They're dead simple to work on, and if you get a shop manual and you have the basic tools (and the room to spread out and time to do it), you really can fix most mechanical things yourself. A nice driver-quality (not a show winner) Coupe de Ville or Sedan de Ville shouldn't set you back more than $4000 or $5000. Again, watch out for rust, and make sure the engine and transmission are sound. Those are your major money pits right there.

Just do me one favor. If you plan to customize the car, don't do anything that can't be easily undone. It kills the collector value of the car and can make it hard to sell later on if you find you have to. If you must cut holes in the interior panels and other such things, please stick with the Pilot. No one cares if you f--k up a Honda.

Craig

Guess I'll weigh in. First off, the object of your affection has been "for sale" for-freakin'-ever. He had it posted on ebay some time back and I nearly hurled at the poor quality of the workmanship in the customization. If he's not calling you back after several attempts, he's exactly the kind of flake I pegged him for. Count yourself lucky and move on to greener pastures. Now, as to a '69 Cad as a DD. My first car was a '77 Coupe de Ville, which was 11 years old and 100K+ miles when I got it from my parents. Gas was pricey (in relative terms), but no one at school would ever mess with my car. My buddy's Honda seemed to attract the most abuse, but that could have just been him. Anyway, I've been hooked on Caddys ever since. I've driven other cars, but I always own a Cadillac. I can't imagine life without one, really.

Considering the money you have to spend, and your determination to have one of these as your first car, I strongly recommend a closed car (coupe or sedan), not a convertible. The closed cars are much more practical and just as stylish, esp. with their creased rear window (a really neat touch on the '69-'70 full-size Cads). They're dead simple to work on, and if you get a shop manual and you have the basic tools (and the room to spread out and time to do it), you really can fix most mechanical things yourself. A nice driver-quality (not a show winner) Coupe de Ville or Sedan de Ville shouldn't set you back more than $4000 or $5000. Again, watch out for rust, and make sure the engine and transmission are sound. Those are your major money pits right there.

Just do me one favor. If you plan to customize the car, don't do anything that can't be easily undone. It kills the collector value of the car and can make it hard to sell later on if you find you have to. If you must cut holes in the interior panels and other such things, please stick with the Pilot. No one cares if you f--k up a Honda.

Craig

Have I sinned for making my interior vinyl instead of leather? Everything else is all original and I would never fuss with it (I think customization is just plain dumb) it's just I didn't have the money.

Nah, lots of guys I know do the interiors on their drivers with vinyl due to cost. And, a good vinyl interior will give the look (if not the feel) of leather. The full-on leather is usually reserved for the show cars, or the anal retentives like me where it would bug me every time I drove the car because I know it's not right. But then, I'm a bit psycho when it comes to the cars. I spend waaaayyyy more $$$ on them than any sane person would.

Nah, lots of guys I know do the interiors on their drivers with vinyl due to cost. And, a good vinyl interior will give the look (if not the feel) of leather. The full-on leather is usually reserved for the show cars, or the anal retentives like me where it would bug me every time I drove the car because I know it's not right. But then, I'm a bit psycho when it comes to the cars. I spend waaaayyyy more $$$ on them than any sane person would.

I actually feel bad getting vinyl. Oh and by the way my radio doesn't get FM, how do I get that fixed?

1964 was, I believe, the first year AM/FM (mono) was offered as an option. It's pretty rare. More likely, if you have the stock radio, it's AM only. Hell, I don't think they started offering stereo until 1966. If you only have AM, install a hidden secondary receiver. You can easily fit two small speakers under the central speaker grille on the dash, with the standard bilateral arrangement in the rear. It sounds great (know a lot of guys that did it) while preserving the stock look.

1964 was, I believe, the first year AM/FM (mono) was offered as an option. It's pretty rare. More likely, if you have the stock radio, it's AM only. Hell, I don't think they started offering stereo until 1966. If you only have AM, install a hidden secondary receiver. You can easily fit two small speakers under the central speaker grille on the dash, with the standard bilateral arrangement in the rear. It sounds great (know a lot of guys that did it) while preserving the stock look.

Oh it has an FM switch so it must have worked, it's just it doesn't work and I don't care about stereo, I'm super anal about originality but I'd like FM.

Does AM work, or is the radio totally dead? If AM works but not FM, the switch that makes it go from one band to another isn't making contact. You'd have to open up the radio to see what's going on.

Does AM work, or is the radio totally dead? If AM works but not FM, the switch that makes it go from one band to another isn't making contact. You'd have to open up the radio to see what's going on.

AM works, I'll have one of my mechanics look at it. Should I take it to a car stereo shop?

I just bought a 1986 Fleetwood Brougham as my first car just a few months back, and I just turned 17. My parents were originally going to give (or sell) me a 1994 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme. It seemed fine at first, but then I decided I wanted something different. Something you don't see 5 times an hour on the road. I remember seeing this car in a movie (Pineapple express), and thought "someday I'll drive one of those myself", without actually knowing what kind of car it was. Later I looked it up on imcdb.org, and that's what got me interested in old Cadillacs.

If you're looking for something different, I'd say go for it, but be aware that you'll find out a few things that need to be fixed after buying it, so be sure you have a bit of money left over. For example mine needed a brake job (which I knew about before buying), a new heater core, and some other small parts (lock switch, bulbs, etc).

AM works, I'll have one of my mechanics look at it. Should I take it to a car stereo shop?

Make sure the place specializes in old car radios, otherwise the poor kids there will be scratching their heads and trying to sell you a whole new sound system. I think, though I'm not 100% sure, that 1964 still uses vacuum tubes, which are alien to most folks under 50. Wait until you take the radio out of the dash. It's HUGE!!! and very heavy.

Make sure the place specializes in old car radios, otherwise the poor kids there will be scratching their heads and trying to sell you a whole new sound system. I think, though I'm not 100% sure, that 1964 still uses vacuum tubes, which are alien to most folks under 50. Wait until you take the radio out of the dash. It's HUGE!!! and very heavy.

I have a radio for my 1956 Buick Special, ye it's heavy but I'm sure it'll work out. All the good stations are on FM anyway. There's only 1 oldies station on AM anyway

It's called Social Security benefits and craigslist.

Geez, bub, it was just a question! :hmm:


Guess I'll weigh in. First off, the object of your affection has been "for sale" for-freakin'-ever. He had it posted on ebay some time back and I nearly hurled at the poor quality of the workmanship in the customization. If he's not calling you back after several attempts, he's exactly the kind of flake I pegged him for.

Oh, wow, do you also live in Jacksonville? Or did you search for it on Ebay and it popped up?

And what do you mean by the poor quality of the worksmanship? The rims and stereo? I was planning on a CD player and spoke rims, anyhow!

I did find a 1970 Coupe De Ville Sedan, but he never really responded. The bright red interior wouldn't fly, either. That's when I found the convertible and started to become more interested.

I can say that I've definitely seen that car on craigslist for at least a month. Not sure about eBay, as I never check it.

And I don't thin 1964coupe was being rude to you, I think he was serious. lol

I can say that I've definitely seen that car on craigslist for at least a month. Not sure about eBay, as I never check it.

And I don't thin 1964coupe was being rude to you, I think he was serious. lol

Yeah it has been, but he said not many people have called him so I don't think anything should be wrong and especially with the gas prices and such I doubt anyone (besides fanatics :highfive: ) are actually interested!

And yeah it was hard to tell if he was or not! The "it's called" part made it seem a little stubborn :whistle:

Somethings beginning to look sketchy about this seller. I typed in his number on google to see other sites where he has the Cadillac for sale, but then it says he is selling a Thunderbird, a jet ski w/ trailer, a four wheeler, and this Cadillac. Is it just me, or does it seem kind of weird how he is selling all of these automobiles?

Here are more pictures of the Cadillac, though:

http://www.musthaveautos.com/addetails.php?slno=15601

either not the original engine or he typed it wrong...that link says it's a 6 cylinder engine? I'd say stay away from this thing, it looks butchered

And what do you mean by the poor quality of the worksmanship? The rims and stereo? I was planning on a CD player and spoke rims, anyhow!

I believe he was trying to say, that the car you're interested in is a train wreck, not worth the money, and will have to be fixed down the road.

And if you're planning on taking a vintage, untouched, virgin Cadillac, and putting spoked rims on it... DON'T

And if your thinking about carving up the interior on such a car, and installing all of your fancy electronics... DON'T

These cars are fine the way they are, and there are plenty of other cars that can fit your needs.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:RtPGlICntY20bM:http://usedownersmanuals.com/media/honda_emblem.gifcomes to mind

I believe he was trying to say, that the car you're interested in is a train wreck, not worth the money, and will have to be fixed down the road.

And if you're planning on taking a vintage, untouched, virgin Cadillac, and putting spoked rims on it... DON'T

And if your thinking about carving up the interior on such a car, and installing all of your fancy electronics... DON'T

These cars are fine the way they are, and there are plenty of other cars that can fit your needs.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:RtPGlICntY20bM:http://usedownersmanuals.com/media/honda_emblem.gifcomes to mind

What really is the purpose of being an *******? If you are going to come into this thread and not contribute, then don't say anything at all.

If you actually read the thread and reviewed the pictures, you could easily tell that he already put a radio in it and rims on it. I suggest you go elsewhere.

What really is the purpose of being an *******? If you are going to come into this thread and not contribute, then don't say anything at all.

If you actually read the thread and reviewed the pictures, you could easily tell that he already put a radio in it and rims on it. I suggest you go elsewhere.


You said,
I was planning on a CD player and spoke rims, anyhow!

The craigslist ad you posted, for the car this thread is about, said,
No longer have custom wheels on it. Has factory tires and Cadillac hub caps

So, I took what you you said, and the fact that you were starting to see the seller as a little shifty, as you were going to buy a nicer Cadillac, and install your CD player and rims. I was giving you a little advice!

I suggest you go elsewhere.

You said,


The craigslist ad you posted, for the car this thread is about, said,


So, I took what you you said, and the fact that you were starting to see the seller as a little shifty, as you were going to buy a nicer Cadillac, and install your CD player and rims. I was giving you a little advice!

The latter ad includes the rims.

I never said anything about buying a nicer Cadillac.

Any further luck with the DeVille?

Any further luck with the DeVille?

Nope, still no response. I left another text message, voice mail, and just tried an e-mail. Thanks for checking up and with the positive response!

I should be keeping updates, and if I get it I will post updates on what exactly happens with it or if I paint it, etc.

You remind me of me at 16. Keep up the Cadillac enthusiasm and you'll soon see a boat in your driveway.

How do your parents feel about it? Mine hated the idea of a big yacht in front of their place, so that's why I got that '92 deVille...it was a nice compromise. The classic Cadillac feel behind the wheel, but the dimensions were much more svelte so they were happy.

You remind me of me at 16. Keep up the Cadillac enthusiasm and you'll soon see a boat in your driveway.

How do your parents feel about it? Mine hated the idea of a big yacht in front of their place, so that's why I got that '92 deVille...it was a nice compromise. The classic Cadillac feel behind the wheel, but the dimensions were much more svelte so they were happy.

My mother really could care less. She is the one I stay with, due to a divorce and all of that yada-yada. But my step-mom doesn't want me to do anything with the Pilot, but only because she is selfish. I am not throwing out those insults because of my want for this Cadillac. It is no doubt true. For example, I let her borrow it and when we were driving to the tailgate for the Jaguars game, she kept saying how she loved her car and never want it to leave, even though it is officially my car. Not the best of examples, but I hope it got the point across.

My father is for it, too. My biological parents are all for me being happy and all, but step-mother only cares about herself. All in all, they don't care too much about me purchasing it. My mother is actually the one that got me interested because when I was looking at the Cadillac El Dorado a few months ago, she laughed and said she could see me driving it!! :yup:

So they are generally Ok with it. That's a good start. My mom hates Cadillacs due to the stereotypes and my dad didn't wanna deal with the repair/upkeep at first, but by the end, he liked it.

So they are generally Ok with it. That's a good start. My mom hates Cadillacs due to the stereotypes and my dad didn't wanna deal with the repair/upkeep at first, but by the end, he liked it.

Both actually like it because it is luxurious, and both are fascinated in classic cars like I am!! I think the only thing my mother won't let me do is put a car cover over it when it is sitting in the driveway, but I may be able to talk her into letting me do it. :D

And with the previous statements about it may get vandalized, I don't think that will happen. I've never had a problem with anyone, and am popular and liked by everyone. Couldn't name an enemy if I tried!! (That kind of sounds egotistical, but I'm just telling the truth!)

I think the big old caddy is a good idea. What about getting a nice big old caddy and a little beater for work? Do you have room for two? Maybe you can keep the beater at the step-moms house(no offense).

I think the big old caddy is a good idea. What about getting a nice big old caddy and a little beater for work? Do you have room for two? Maybe you can keep the beater at the step-moms house(no offense).

Hahahah that's exactly what I was thinking. No offense taking, we all joke on her anyway.

But I was thinking if the Cadillac is a total flop, then I could have that $6,000 left over and I could easily buy another car. Hell, the other Cadillac is only $6,000! Haha. Endless possibilities, that's why I couldn't see why so many people were against me purchasing it!

I believe he was trying to say, that the car you're interested in is a train wreck, not worth the money, and will have to be fixed down the road.

And if you're planning on taking a vintage, untouched, virgin Cadillac, and putting spoked rims on it... DON'T

And if your thinking about carving up the interior on such a car, and installing all of your fancy electronics... DON'T

These cars are fine the way they are, and there are plenty of other cars that can fit your needs.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:RtPGlICntY20bM:http://usedownersmanuals.com/media/honda_emblem.gifcomes to mind
I don't think I'd be so brutally blunt about it, but, yeah, that's about right.:halo:

Seriously, though, this particular car has been listed on ebay and several other online sites since at least early in the year as far as I can remember. The overall concept of the thing isn't what troubles me. These cars have such assertive styling and presence that they almost scream to be customized into badass cruisers. So, I can see the appeal, even if I personally have no desire to have a car modified in that manner. It's the overall execution that strikes me as being less than a quality job. It's what makes custom jobs so tricky. Done well, they look amazing and highly appealing. Done poorly, they just look cheap and tacky. This particular car seems more the latter than the former IMO.

There are so many of these cars available for very reasonable money. I urge you to choose wisely and modify tastefully and thoughtfully. I look forward to hearing of your progress! :)

Craig

I don't think I'd be so brutally blunt about it, but, yeah, that's about right.:halo:

Seriously, though, this particular car has been listed on ebay and several other online sites since at least early in the year as far as I can remember. The overall concept of the thing isn't what troubles me. These cars have such assertive styling and presence that they almost scream to be customized into badass cruisers. So, I can see the appeal, even if I personally have no desire to have a car modified in that manner. It's the overall execution that strikes me as being less than a quality job. It's what makes custom jobs so tricky. Done well, they look amazing and highly appealing. Done poorly, they just look cheap and tacky. This particular car seems more the latter than the former IMO.

There are so many of these cars available for very reasonable money. I urge you to choose wisely and modify tastefully and thoughtfully. I look forward to hearing of your progress! :)

Craig

I can understand what you are saying, because I have seen some cars that were outstanding and then are slaughtered. But, I just don't understand your viewpoint on this car. The only add-ons he has done was the sound system and rims. I don't see how that destroys this car! :noidea:

For example, let me show some cars of the same model that I like:

http://www.peterleahycustomimports.com/images/12mnth/0506-70caddy02.jpg

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2374331

http://www.musiccitymotorsports.net/web/1675/vehicle/56425

To be honest, I think nothing can make this Cadillac look bad. Fallen off hub caps, a bad paint job, and even a duck-taped window, and this car would still look great.

For example: http://www.old66classics.com/images/File/1970%20CADILLAC%20Deville%20Green/1970%20CADILLAC%20Deville%20Green.jpg

LOL, I've been to that yard where that '70 is. In fact, I've seen that car. It's in N. AZ on Route 66. Now that would be the kind of car where you could go wild customizing, since a full, correct restoration would be prohibitive.

The black sedan you posted is my idea of a tasteful custom. To my mind, the rims work with the car's overall styling, rather than fighting it and trying to overpower it. I'd actually like to see it taken a bit further: remove the chrome side trim, shave the door handles, tint the windows, and I think I'd loose the vinyl top, too. The spare tire in the back seat would have to go, too lol! Add a killer sound system, maybe air bag suspension, do a tasteful leather interior, and you'd have a slick, impressive custom that still maintains the overall integrity and dignity of the car without looking cartoonish. Again, would I own such a car? No. Can I admire such a car? Definitely.

The style and look of the convertible you've been pursuing obviously appeals to you, and that's cool. I just think you could find (or create) and example in the same vein that would be a better car. I don't trust the seller; hence, I'm leary of the car. I'm not questioning your taste level or judgement, and I apologise for giving that impression.

damn that black one is sexy.

This is an example of where you might start.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/1458958884.html

Don't sell the Pilot. Why? It's good reliable transportation. If I were you I'd keep looking for that good deal on a Cadillac and plan to work and save up a little and buy it as a second car! That is the best way to enjoy and learn about working on cars - you're in no rush when wrenching on things because if something doesn't go right you still have a car to take to school and work.

I cannot fully express how much fun it is to have multiple cars - I step out of the house and can take the car that suits my mood! Short trip to school? Take the Pilot. Nice weekend day for a cruise? Take the Caddy!

As much fun as it sounds to own a big fun car and all the romance that goes along with the idea I'd say the only way you'll be able to decide is to follow your heart but use your head. :) I remember car shopping when I bought my own first car - - back in 1988. I decided I wanted a 77-79 Fleetwood Brougham and looked at a bunch but that was in the days before the internet and I was only willing to look at the locally available examples, and they were salty Minnesota bombers, so I got frustrated pretty fast because everything, even the half nice ones, needed some work done. I ended up buying a brand new Honda Civic and it was good because the car was reliable but it was boring.

If I were you and intent on buying an old Cad I'd say pay up and buy the very best original and well maintained example you can find. Avoid cars with deferred maintenance since they are typically money pits and life is too short to look at a broken car when you can be driving a good one! :)

LOL, I've been to that yard where that '70 is. In fact, I've seen that car. It's in N. AZ on Route 66. Now that would be the kind of car where you could go wild customizing, since a full, correct restoration would be prohibitive.

The black sedan you posted is my idea of a tasteful custom. To my mind, the rims work with the car's overall styling, rather than fighting it and trying to overpower it. I'd actually like to see it taken a bit further: remove the chrome side trim, shave the door handles, tint the windows, and I think I'd loose the vinyl top, too. The spare tire in the back seat would have to go, too lol! Add a killer sound system, maybe air bag suspension, do a tasteful leather interior, and you'd have a slick, impressive custom that still maintains the overall integrity and dignity of the car without looking cartoonish. Again, would I own such a car? No. Can I admire such a car? Definitely.

The style and look of the convertible you've been pursuing obviously appeals to you, and that's cool. I just think you could find (or create) and example in the same vein that would be a better car. I don't trust the seller; hence, I'm leary of the car. I'm not questioning your taste level or judgement, and I apologise for giving that impression.

Oh, okay. I totally see where you are coming from now. Those are tons of additions you stated, though! Wow!

The reason I am pushing on this convertible one is because it is in fact the only 1969/1970 Convertible cadillac in town. I doubt my parents would be very enthusiastic to go view a car that's a few states away!

I did find a sedan, and it is really nice, but I just love the thought of cruising down the streets with no top above my head!

Thanks a lot for the advice and positive feedback, everyone!

Problem with these types of cars is the only "cruising" you'd do is to your next gas station.

But you'll do it in style!

Problem with these types of cars is the only "cruising" you'd do is to your next gas station.

So many stubborn people on these forums! Is life really that much of a troublesome to you!?

No, he's just being honest.

Why don't you sell the Pilot, and buy a nice daily-driver in the 3-4000 dollar range? That would leave you 5-6000 to buy a Cadillac that you want, and if something breaks down on it, you would still have the dependable daily-driver. I drive a 1997 Chevy Cavalier daily, but when I want to, I can drive my Cadillac. If you have the room, this may be the solution that you are looking for.

Why don't you sell the Pilot, and buy a nice daily-driver in the 3-4000 dollar range? That would leave you 5-6000 to buy a Cadillac that you want, and if something breaks down on it, you would still have the dependable daily-driver. I drive a 1997 Chevy Cavalier daily, but when I want to, I can drive my Cadillac. If you have the room, this may be the solution that you are looking for.

What about paying nearly double the insurance? (minus the multi-vehicle discount)

Put the Caddy on a classic car policy. Gives you agreed upon value coverage and a very low rate. I insure both my older cars for under $150/year. Only drawback is, you can't use the cars as daily drivers. You have to have proof that you have another car that you use on a daily basis.

I've gotta agree with Matt. If you're dead set on taking the plunge you should get a backup. When you've got an old car, a second is very key. The Caddy is going to have problems at times. Tracking down the problem, getting the part and fixing it will usually take you two or three days if you're really on top of it. Not having a car in Florida really, really sucks. And having to bum rides to get parts for you non functioning car is very emasculating. If you look hard enough you can find an 80s Brougham in decent condition for 2k. Plus, it's nice to wake up in the morning and have to decide between a set of keys! Make sure to invest in a quality Craftsman tool kit and a haynes manual as well.

Screw the Haynes manual. Get the factory service manual.

I have the haynes manual for 70 up rwd caddies...it's pretty good for basic stuff. the engine sections are great and they cover just about any engine they used durring that period including the 4100, 307 old, 472 and 500 caddy. Pretty helpful at times if you can't get your hands on the FSM, although I'm still looking for a '69 FSM :)

So many stubborn people on these forums! Is life really that much of a troublesome to you!?
Son, I own a similar model of cadillac with better fuel economy. These things really suck up fuel like its the apocalypse. I'm lucky to get 10 miles per gallon in the city

Hey, I have to get your opinion on something. Well, to begin with, I am only 16 years old. Only about $600 in the bank, no job currently, but applied for many places. Let's cut to the chase.

My step-mother handed down a 2003 Honda Pilot to me for my first car, but only because she was receiving a new car. I have ALWAYS loved old cars, and upon searching Craigslist, I found the car I wanted. It was a 1973 Cadillac El Dorado convertible. I stayed in contact with him, but he mysteriously took down the offer. So, I continued searching, and currently I am interested in a 1969 Cadillac Coupe DeVille convertible. Now, my brother and his friends keep telling me that I should stay with the Honda Pilot. But, I just am in love with the old cadillacs! I find myself constantly looking at pictures and videos, you see I'm on these forums, and even my desktop background is a Cadillac Coupe DeVille.

But, anyhow, they tell me not to get it because the Pilot is a nice SUV, and that if I have any problems with the 69 Caddy then the parts will be really expensive and they tell me how bad the gas will be. But, if I get a part time job, the gas will be not a problem, seeing as I can get the money in one days of work. I see no problem in the parts, either, because after reading these forums everyone states how Cadillacs almost never fail.

Summary: Family and friends telling me 69 Cadillac will be too expensive to take care of, but I am in love with the car. Is it practical for a kid of 16 years of age to be driving around a car like this?

Thanks a lot! I really hope you read this! :D
I think if you drive it less than about 5,000 miles per year, it would be okay (practical). It won't go through too much fuel and should not need much upkeep.

I have owned a '69 Fleetwood Brougham for 5 years. 89,000 miles when I bought it and now it has about 97,000. It has needed very little done to it. A starter and a bearing seal at the rear of the engine. No transmission repairs done and no other engine work. The brakes have not been touched, either.

Remember, though, that a '69 Cadillac (or any classic Cadillac) will cost at least several thousand dollars if you expect it not to need any mechanical work done to it.

I've gotta agree with Matt. If you're dead set on taking the plunge you should get a backup. When you've got an old car, a second is very key. The Caddy is going to have problems at times. Tracking down the problem, getting the part and fixing it will usually take you two or three days if you're really on top of it. Not having a car in Florida really, really sucks. And having to bum rides to get parts for you non functioning car is very emasculating. If you look hard enough you can find an 80s Brougham in decent condition for 2k. Plus, it's nice to wake up in the morning and have to decide between a set of keys! Make sure to invest in a quality Craftsman tool kit and a haynes manual as well.

The old saying for people who owned Rolls-Royces was to own two since you'd need one to drive when the other is in the shop for repairs since the cars break all the time.

Old rock solid Cadillacs, if painstakingly cared for and maintained, can be relied upon for every day service and they won't let you down.

I drive a 79 Sedan deVille exclusively every day here in Florida. I got rid of a "dependable" daily driver 2007 Honda back in June and I don't miss it one bit. I love to turn the key every day and parade around in the Caddy and I wouldn't have it any other way. I keep my Cad in top shape so the odds are in my favor that the car will start and stop as it should. Of course I have AAA and a good mechanic on retainer for when problems arise which isn't very often. Life is more fun behind the wheel of a car you love! :) :) :)

Craig, do you ever feel any worry about parking such an "eco-unfriendly" (no offense) car in some areas in times like these? That'd be my big worry with a big yacht like this....having the wrong people look at it, but maybe I'm just paranoid.

Bro-Ham has abandoned me. :(

Hope all is well with you, friend.

Craig, do you ever feel any worry about parking such an "eco-unfriendly" (no offense) car in some areas in times like these? That'd be my big worry with a big yacht like this....having the wrong people look at it, but maybe I'm just paranoid.

Why worry about nutters?! They are everywhere and the key is to keep them far away from you. Bowing to political correctness keeps you from driving what you want and has you obeying the will of others rather than yourself. Worrying about the "what ifs" in life will keep you from pleasure and happiness. There are replacement cars (as long as we keep cash for clunkers from ever happening again) and there is insurance. Gas should be cheap and will be again. Drive your big car and worry about worthwhile things like what kind of cocktails you're going to have tonight. :)

Bro-Ham has abandoned me. :(

Hope all is well with you, friend.

Oh my cyber car friend, don't you worry. I'm here for you and I'd never neglect you. Hell, Sting, I don't even know your name and I still consider you my good buddy! :) Dave

Heh. How's things? Haven't seen you around much lately.

Heh. How's things? Haven't seen you around much lately.

I just moved to an island and I don't have internet set up yet at my new abode so I'm pretty much internetting only at the office so there's not much time for car fun here with all the projects I have going on. I promise to get the net at home soon so we can get back to some car talkin'! :)

You... moved to an island? Awesome. Pictures required, I dare say.

You... moved to an island? Awesome. Pictures required, I dare say.

Wait a second Sting - - when have you posted a picture lately? Hell, I think I've only seen ONE picture of your car and it was, what, a year ago??? :) Come on Sting! :) :) :) I will take a picture of my car on the island if you want one since the yellow banana boat does do Florida islands with style! :)

Awesome. :)

I go home for thanksgiving in a week and a half. I'll take some pictures and such then. :)

Ill have to warn you, if you park any old car in good condition in a parking lot they'll probably desicrate it. That's why I have never attempted to park my caddy there and I never will especially when they finally finish the body work

Eh, it all depends on where you live. I know where I'm from, it would get trashed unless it was a ghettomobile with 30 inch rims and some ridiculous candy paint job or whatever else. lol

It's sad, but sometimes true.

Eh, it all depends on where you live. I know where I'm from, it would get trashed unless it was a ghettomobile with 30 inch rims and some ridiculous candy paint job or whatever else. lol

It's sad, but sometimes true.
I agree. It does depend where you live.

I feel comfortable parking my two Cadillacs in a supermarket or mall parking lot. But I do park in the outer part of the parking lot. More room to maneuver those big cars and less parking lot traffic.

Why worry about nutters?! They are everywhere and the key is to keep them far away from you. Bowing to political correctness keeps you from driving what you want and has you obeying the will of others rather than yourself. Worrying about the "what ifs" in life will keep you from pleasure and happiness. There are replacement cars (as long as we keep cash for clunkers from ever happening again) and there is insurance. Gas should be cheap and will be again. Drive your big car and worry about worthwhile things like what kind of cocktails you're going to have tonight. :)

Good words Dave. :)

Why the hell did I call you Craig? :lol:

Dave, this '79 FWB D'Ele has the same color combo as your '79 SDV D'Ele, right?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PRISTINE-1979-CADILLAC-FLEETWOOD-DE-ELEGANCE-56K-MI_W0QQitemZ180431164983QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars _Trucks?hash=item2a02891637#ht_47376wt_1167

Found a DIFFERENT Cadillac convertible for sale..

but get this: he is asking for $18,000. Yes, $18,000. I am willing to go about half of that, and hopefully even less than half. Should I play the waiting game or try to smooth talk him like a champ?

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/1460443935.html

$18,000??!! Sheesh, is the engine compartment lined with platinum/gold alloy? It has iridium spark plugs,even? Convertibles fetch a premium, I know -- but that's really over the edge if anyone asks me. You could get a '76 Talisman with a sun roof for less than that :D

Hahaha, I made a post almost exactly like this when I was 16 or 17 (minus the brand new car to get rid of mind you) and I went ahead and bought a '70 Sedan Deville in rough shape and restored it while I made 8 bucks an hour part time. I say go for it man! I had a lot of fun and learned a lot (and I continue to!). I also spent a crapload of money I didn't have to, but you have to have hobbies to keep you sane in this world.

Found a DIFFERENT Cadillac convertible for sale..

but get this: he is asking for $18,000. Yes, $18,000. I am willing to go about half of that, and hopefully even less than half. Should I play the waiting game or try to smooth talk him like a champ?

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/1460443935.html

You've gotta be ****in' kidding me. He wants $18,000 for a '69 DeVille convertible?? Not even a mint condition, triple black '69 Eldorado is worth that. If you're gonna wait him out, you'd better be patient because what you're offering is half what he wants, which is already more than it's probably worth.

And seriously, if he wants $18,000 for it, he should at least post more pictures than that crappy shot he's got.

And that's why I hate CL. If you want a nice '69 Cadillac, try searching collectorcartrader.com or eBay. Nobody seems entirely normal on CL. I mean does it make logical sense to buy a car from the same website that pedophiles try to pick up kids, or where you arrange for a "happy endings" massage?

When I listed my S320 locally on CL, I got nothing but scammers and lowballs. When I paid money & listed it on Autotrader, I got more serious inquiries, granted they were long distance, but they were atleast serious.

I think your best bet would be to expand your geographic area and try those two websites I listed, I think you'll have much better luck in acquiring a decent, unmodified '69 deVille for a much more reasonable price.

Here's a few from Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Cadillac-DeVille-472cc-7-7L-8-Cylinder-Automatic_W0QQitemZ330375309516QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ US_Cars_Trucks?hash=item4cebe728cc#ht_2603wt_795


78k original miles, $4500, sharp color combo:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Cad-Sedan-DeVille-All-Original-78-603-Garage-Kept_W0QQitemZ160377152504QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Ca rs_Trucks?hash=item25573923f8#ht_500wt_1182

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Convertible-automatic-air-electric-windows-V-8_W0QQitemZ270483351871QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_ Trucks?hash=item3efa10693f#ht_500wt_1182


I love the navy/white color combo on this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Cadillac-Deville-4-Door-Hardtop_W0QQitemZ270483729041QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS _Cars_Trucks?hash=item3efa162a91#ht_500wt_1182

Also, does it have to be a '69? The bodystyle was the same in '70, but the basic chassis dates back to '65, but they only had the 472 from '68-'70 in that style. The '71-'72s still had a high compression 472, so it would feel close for power, but by '73, compression dropped and they started to smog the cars out so power declined, but it would still lay a mean patch (don't ask me how I know) and they're still very reliable, all the way through the end of the Caddy big block in '81.

Good words Dave. :)

Why the hell did I call you Craig? :lol:



Maybe because we both own yellow cars from the same body styling era? Anyway, I'm more than happy to be confused with Dave. Kind of an honor, really.

Found a DIFFERENT Cadillac convertible for sale..

but get this: he is asking for $18,000. Yes, $18,000. I am willing to go about half of that, and hopefully even less than half. Should I play the waiting game or try to smooth talk him like a champ?

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/1460443935.html

$18K would be all the money for a low-mile, condition 2/2+ '69 convertible. I'd need more pics and info to determine if this car fills the bill. IF it does, there's no way in hell you're getting it for half. $15K, maybe. If you're looking to spend $8K on a convertible, be prepared for something that needs a bit of physical and/or mechanical work. On the other hand, $8-9K will buy a stunning coupe or sedan.

Like the old addage says, if the top goes down, the price goes up, and the convertibles are the most desireable of the late-60s Cadillacs.

Good words Dave. :)

Why the hell did I call you Craig? :lol:

Dave, this '79 FWB D'Ele has the same color combo as your '79 SDV D'Ele, right?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PRISTINE-1979-CADILLAC-FLEETWOOD-DE-ELEGANCE-56K-MI_W0QQitemZ180431164983QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars _Trucks?hash=item2a02891637#ht_47376wt_1167

Chad,

I LOVE THAT CAR on Ebay!!!!! It is a 79 Fleetwood Brougham d'Elegance in Colonial Yellow with a saddle tan top and saddle tan leather interior.

My car is a 79 Sedan deVille d'Elegance in Colonial Yellow with yellow top and Burnished Gold cloth interior.

Dave

Maybe because we both own yellow cars from the same body styling era? Anyway, I'm more than happy to be confused with Dave. Kind of an honor, really.

Likewise Craig! You're one of my all time favorite car people! :) :) :) :) Someone has to drive these yellow 77-79's so it may as well be us! :)

Just got my first caddy 69 deville,cleaned otu an out building to keep it dry looking to do some mild performance mods what would you suggest?
other evhicles
61 landrover
54 gmc pick up
72 daytona triumph 500

You've gotta be ****in' kidding me. He wants $18,000 for a '69 DeVille convertible?? Not even a mint condition, triple black '69 Eldorado is worth that. If you're gonna wait him out, you'd better be patient because what you're offering is half what he wants, which is already more than it's probably worth.

And seriously, if he wants $18,000 for it, he should at least post more pictures than that crappy shot he's got.

And that's why I hate CL. If you want a nice '69 Cadillac, try searching collectorcartrader.com or eBay. Nobody seems entirely normal on CL. I mean does it make logical sense to buy a car from the same website that pedophiles try to pick up kids, or where you arrange for a "happy endings" massage?

When I listed my S320 locally on CL, I got nothing but scammers and lowballs. When I paid money & listed it on Autotrader, I got more serious inquiries, granted they were long distance, but they were atleast serious.

I think your best bet would be to expand your geographic area and try those two websites I listed, I think you'll have much better luck in acquiring a decent, unmodified '69 deVille for a much more reasonable price.

Thanks for everyone's posts! They are really helpful!! :)

But, it doesn't have to be a 69. 69/70 are my favorite models, though. Anything past the Fourth Generation (1970) of Devilles I do not enjoy as much.

And the main reason I was searching on Craigslist was because of the local car listings. Looking at the Cadillacs on Ebay as you suggested, however, and the ones you posted, it seems that the price would be cheaper with buying the car AND actually shipping it to me! Does Ebay help the buyer with the process and avoid the scammers?

Some auctions do qualify for buyer protection up to a certain dollar amount. Read the FAQs about it on ebay. Buying on ebay and shipping a distance can be a good deal if you find the right car. Benzilla, a highly regarded (though now rarely seen) member of this forum bought his '79 Phaeton off ebay and had it shipped from CA to TN. Oddly enough, it was located just 20 miles from my house, so I was able to look at it for him and get some extra pics so he knew what to expect when he got it.

As with any other car purchase, an in-person inspection is mandatory. If the car isn't close enough to you for you to do it, then throw it out here on the forum. Perhaps one of us will be close enough to the car of interest to look at it for you. I know we do that in the CLC for each other all the time, and this group is just as cooperative IMO.

So, would you be open to other years prior to 1969/1970? How do you feel about pillared cars like Fleetwoods? Lots of good stuff out there if you're willing to be flexible.

Craig

When buying a classic car, especially if you're wanting an exact year or model, the car's proximity to home should be the least of your concerns. There aren't many of these old beasts around anymore, which makes finding a nice one all that much harder, so you gotta expand your search.

^That.

$18K would be all the money for a low-mile, condition 2/2+ '69 convertible. I'd need more pics and info to determine if this car fills the bill. IF it does, there's no way in hell you're getting it for half. $15K, maybe. If you're looking to spend $8K on a convertible, be prepared for something that needs a bit of physical and/or mechanical work. On the other hand, $8-9K will buy a stunning coupe or sedan.

Like the old addage says, if the top goes down, the price goes up, and the convertibles are the most desireable of the late-60s Cadillacs.

If it were me, I'd look at a Sedan deVille first, whether it's pillared or hardtop. They're the cheapest to get into, the roomiest, and they scream class and style to me. Not that the CDV or Convertibles don't as well, but there's just something so aristocratic about a sedan of that size, especially a hardtop.

Plus without possibly having a leaky top, it's one less thing to worry about.

Chad,

I LOVE THAT CAR on Ebay!!!!! It is a 79 Fleetwood Brougham d'Elegance in Colonial Yellow with a saddle tan top and saddle tan leather interior.

My car is a 79 Sedan deVille d'Elegance in Colonial Yellow with yellow top and Burnished Gold cloth interior.

Dave

Gotcha, so they're the same exterior color, but that FWB has a darker interior.

Say, I was on your side of town today. I met some friends in Shoreview and went out to lunch with them to a Mongolian BBQ on HWY 36 in Oak Park Heights, good stuff.

If it were me, I'd look at a Sedan deVille first, whether it's pillared or hardtop. They're the cheapest to get into, the roomiest, and they scream class and style to me. Not that the CDV or Convertibles don't as well, but there's just something so aristocratic about a sedan of that size, especially a hardtop.

Plus without possibly having a leaky top, it's one less thing to worry about.



Gotcha, so they're the same exterior color, but that FWB has a darker interior.

Say, I was on your side of town today. I met some friends in Shoreview and went out to lunch with them to a Mongolian BBQ on HWY 36 in Oak Park Heights, good stuff.

There is a nice Sedan Deville that I am interested in that is located only about 30 miles from my home. Only real problem with it that I see is the red interior, but that shouldn't be too hard to get used to or swap out. Only has around 50k miles on it. He took his listing off, but I am staying in contact with him through E-mail. I'm actually waiting on him to respond, at the moment.

If it were me, I'd look at a Sedan deVille first, whether it's pillared or hardtop. They're the cheapest to get into, the roomiest, and they scream class and style to me. Not that the CDV or Convertibles don't as well, but there's just something so aristocratic about a sedan of that size, especially a hardtop.

Plus without possibly having a leaky top, it's one less thing to worry about.

I agree, the Deville or Calais sedans are very imposing cars, esp. the HT models with their fast backlight and creased rear glass. Just remember that all these cars use sashless door glass, so if the rubber is cracked or dry, the windows will leak. Ask me how I know.

Hmm.... is this a better choice?

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/1465174350.html

:D

Without those hideous rims, yes.

Personally though, I don't see why you're not perfectly fine with the transportation you have now -- for free -- and saving to get something a bit faster or more expensive when your insurance rates drop. But eh, that's just me.

And really, if you're planning on getting something else, you should sell the Pilot before looking at another vehicle.. otherwise you're just getting your hopes up on something that may not be for sale when you can finally pony up the cash.

Eh, it all depends on where you live. I know where I'm from, it would get trashed unless it was a ghettomobile with 30 inch rims and some ridiculous candy paint job or whatever else. lol

It's sad, but sometimes true.

Why do people do that to poor old cars? They really don't deserve that. The only sin I've ever committed was replace the leather interior with vinyl because I'm cheap.

Hmm.... is this a better choice?

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/1465174350.html

:D

Listen... I think you should just stick to what you have. You can put all the spinning devices and airbags on it you want and you won't have old guards like me on your throat. We'll snicker if we see you in traffic but be actually angry? No.

Listen... I think you should just stick to what you have. You can put all the spinning devices and airbags on it you want and you won't have old guards like me on your throat. We'll snicker if we see you in traffic but be actually angry? No.

Please stop posting in this thread.

Without those hideous rims, yes.

Personally though, I don't see why you're not perfectly fine with the transportation you have now -- for free -- and saving to get something a bit faster or more expensive when your insurance rates drop. But eh, that's just me.

And really, if you're planning on getting something else, you should sell the Pilot before looking at another vehicle.. otherwise you're just getting your hopes up on something that may not be for sale when you can finally pony up the cash.

Yes, he said he can put the stocks back on. And I put the Pilot on craigslist a while back and have a whole bunch of customers. They know the situation, also.

I don't see your ad. ;)

I don't see your ad. ;)

I removed it, as people here suggested I should try to sell for higher just in case people try to bargain.

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/1442103722.html

Ah. But yeah, people on craigslist definitely WILL try. lol

If you can afford to even be without the vehicle for a little while (I know, I know, the bus sucks), you can hunt around a bit with cash in hand. It's much easier to offer lower prices that way. Cash talks.

Ah. But yeah, people on craigslist definitely WILL try. lol

If you can afford to even be without the vehicle for a little while (I know, I know, the bus sucks), you can hunt around a bit with cash in hand. It's much easier to offer lower prices that way. Cash talks.

Yeah, I was thinking about that, too. Orlando is about an hour away from where I live, but some friends and I were going to head out there in about two weeks, so I think I'll check it out when I'm down there. If it's smooth, then I'll ride back down there with the cash!

What makes me so bought on this car all of a sudden is the more reasonable gas mileage and its relatively newness. (brand new compared to the Cadillac!) I think I'll just get an old school Cadillac once I have a full-time job, so I won't have to fret on my budget. :smilewide:

Also, does it have to be a '69? The bodystyle was the same in '70, but the basic chassis dates back to '65, but they only had the 472 from '68-'70 in that style. The '71-'72s still had a high compression 472, so it would feel close for power, but by '73, compression dropped and they started to smog the cars out so power declined, but it would still lay a mean patch (don't ask me how I know) and they're still very reliable, all the way through the end of the Caddy big block in '81.
The 472 became low compression in 1971. It started dropping for the 1970 models...

472 compression ratio

1968---- 10.5:1
1969---- 10.5:1
1970---- 10.0:1
1971---- 8.5:1
1972---- 8.5:1
1973---- 8.5:1
1974---- 8.25:1
1975---- 8.5:1
1976---- 8.5:1

Hmm.... is this a better choice?

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/1465174350.html

:D

With those rims, it's no longer an Impala Super Sport, but rather an Impala Super Stupid. :D

I agree, the Deville or Calais sedans are very imposing cars, esp. the HT models with their fast backlight and creased rear glass. Just remember that all these cars use sashless door glass, so if the rubber is cracked or dry, the windows will leak. Ask me how I know.

I have a 69 calais non-pillared 4 door...any idea where i can get some new rubbers? I don't think they're leaking but I might as well replace them while I'm working on the car since they are a bit worn

I like the Impala, decent upgrades. I think the rims fight the look of the car though. Sounds like a fun car. That would be a hard choice between that and a caddy. If I had that car, I would save much gas over the caddy.

I like the Impala, decent upgrades. I think the rims fight the look of the car though. Sounds like a fun car. That would be a hard choice between that and a caddy. If I had that car, I would save much gas over the caddy.

Yep, all you kids need to add are those "airbags" to make your car jump up and down, some of those as you kids say "donk type spinners", some of those big bass stereos that you turn up extremely loudly, one of those "custom paint jobs" with those obnoxious images, Listen to that rap music while going up and down with your "air bags", and customize the car in general until it's a shameful shell and you've managed to turn an original beauty like this YouTube- View of my 1964 Cadillac Coupe Deville

Into a horrible mutant like this.
YouTube- 1964 caddy 4 sale

Hey hey now.. I'd agree with you, but I happen to enjoy my loud music. Nothing over the top, and if I ever get the money to do it, it'll be done properly because I know car audio, and I have a cousin who owns a shop.

Don't be quick to stereotype customs man, some of them are pretty cool.

And that guy DID say the original wheels came with it if wanted.

This is gonna get interesting.

:watchesfromadistance: :hide:

Hey hey now.. I'd agree with you, but I happen to enjoy my loud music. Nothing over the top, and if I ever get the money to do it, it'll be done properly because I know car audio, and I have a cousin who owns a shop.

Don't be quick to stereotype customs man, some of them are pretty cool.

And that guy DID say the original wheels came with it if wanted.

Oh I don't mind new car customs. They're alright with me, I think they can look a little funny but when it comes to these old beauties I make sure EVERY DETAIL is right. For example I hassled the Body Shop and even gave the owner of the bumper/body shop an ORIGINAL PAINT CHIP SHEET COPY. Just to make sure I have the right paint color (It was Palimano Poly or something like that). I even go to such great depths to insure originality I even bough a reproduction (Perfect reproduction) of the Jacking Instructions slab that goes at the top of the trunk hinge. The only time I've ever let originality slide was when I did the vinyl interior. (I even replaced the vinyl top which I didn't even like but still replaced it to make it look stock)

See... I like originals too, but I'm not THAT strict about it. If I was doing a complete resto, I'd have scrapped the vinyl top, but maybe that's my inner Floridian coming out.

I would probably do my best to get the original color too, if it was one I liked, but in some cases, I would redo it in a classy black or something. I happen to love the color of your car though, and I can't wait to see it when its out of the body shop. :)

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

See... I like originals too, but I'm not THAT strict about it. If I was doing a complete resto, I'd have scrapped the vinyl top, but maybe that's my inner Floridian coming out.

I would probably do my best to get the original color too, if it was one I liked, but in some cases, I would redo it in a classy black or something. I happen to love the color of your car though, and I can't wait to see it when its out of the body shop. :)

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

True. I don't feel like fighting anyway, I'm too sick for such things. Been in bed 5 days. I'm going to need to work my rear end off at the gym when I'm better to make up for it.

Anyway, It's been in there for a good 6 weeks now and they're finally going to start spraying it. (It wasn't a frame up restoration, only grinded the paint and rust off, the only reason it's taking so long is there's been delays up the wazoo. What they basically done so far though is detailed the hood compartment (giant globs of grease came off it when he steamed it LOL), Gotten rid of all the dents (Oh boy there were a lot of those as you could see, take off all the rust, and take off all the old paint. I don't know if they got rid of the gash in the side of my door yet, haven't been in there for a week. Lord, they're slow. But they covered it in some black paint. The bumpers they rechromed actually managed to beat the rest of the car to being finished and so the bumpers are rechromed and back (they aren't on the car but still). Oh crap.... I need to remind him that one of the horizontal bars on the grill is supposed to be painted the color of the cars.....

See... I like originals too, but I'm not THAT strict about it. If I was doing a complete resto, I'd have scrapped the vinyl top, but maybe that's my inner Floridian coming out.

I would probably do my best to get the original color too, if it was one I liked, but in some cases, I would redo it in a classy black or something. I happen to love the color of your car though, and I can't wait to see it when its out of the body shop. :)

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Ya I just figure if I'm going to be putting time and money into a car i'm going to make it into something I like even if it's not quite stock. Just so happens my likes are usually stock when it comes to old caddies. Or near stock...minor mods like updated radio and speakers but nothing crazy like hydrolics...lol

Ya I just figure if I'm going to be putting time and money into a car i'm going to make it into something I like even if it's not quite stock. Just so happens my likes are usually stock when it comes to old caddies. Or near stock...minor mods like updated radio and speakers but nothing crazy like hydrolics...lol

But my car has an AM/FM Radio (despite the fact only AM works) and Mono. Nothing can beat the old fashioned sound of Mono!

I have a 69 calais non-pillared 4 door...any idea where i can get some new rubbers? I don't think they're leaking but I might as well replace them while I'm working on the car since they are a bit worn

Steele Rubber sells complete sets for you car.

Steele Rubber sells complete sets for you car.

As a customer of Steele products I can tell you they fit PERFECTLY.

But my car has an AM/FM Radio (despite the fact only AM works) and Mono. Nothing can beat the old fashioned sound of Mono!

I agree, the old mono systems in these cars do sound good for what they were. My '69 came with the AM/FM mono set up, and it worked well. That didn't stop me from snagging a stereo radio and dash top off a junked '69 CDV when I got the chance. When the interior is redone, my '69 will have factory stereo, even though it wasn't built that way. I'll also have a secondary hidden sound system installed to supplement the in-dash stereo, since a lot of the music I like they don't play on commercial radio.

I agree, the old mono systems in these cars do sound good for what they were. My '69 came with the AM/FM mono set up, and it worked well. That didn't stop me from snagging a stereo radio and dash top off a junked '69 CDV when I got the chance. When the interior is redone, my '69 will have factory stereo, even though it wasn't built that way. I'll also have a secondary hidden sound system installed to supplement the in-dash stereo, since a lot of the music I like they don't play on commercial radio.

I listen to oldies music so it's only fitting.

Yeah, we really don't have that here in LA. KRTH used to be the oldies station, but they're "trying to keep current", so now their playlist includes stuff all the way up to the mid-80s. They hardly ever play anything before the early 60s anymore, and I'm a particular fan of 50s-60s doo-wop. I think I'm more distressed that anyone thinks the music I grew up with qualifies as oldies. Makes me want to reach for the Geritol LOL!

Yeah, we really don't have that here in LA. KRTH used to be the oldies station, but they're "trying to keep current", so now their playlist includes stuff all the way up to the mid-80s. They hardly ever play anything before the early 60s anymore, and I'm a particular fan of 50s-60s doo-wop. I think I'm more distressed that anyone thinks the music I grew up with qualifies as oldies. Makes me want to reach for the Geritol LOL!

Yeah, music from my cars era is even starting to get hard to find. Rough world.

The man with the 70 sedan :histeric: just e-mailed me back and said he doesn't know how to send pictures over e-mail, but I should feel free to check it out.

Gotcha, so they're the same exterior color, but that FWB has a darker interior.

Say, I was on your side of town today. I met some friends in Shoreview and went out to lunch with them to a Mongolian BBQ on HWY 36 in Oak Park Heights, good stuff.

Chad,

I wouldn't say the saddle interior color in that Fleetwood is darker - - just different. The burnished gold interior in my car looks a bit like the dark brown interiors of the early 1980's Cadillacs except in the sun the gold hues come out.

Another thing, Chad, get with it: I escaped the snow of cold of Minnesota and moved to Florida full time 2 1/2 years ago. :) As I recall, the last time we saw each other was in the fall of 2006 at Southview when I was driving the silver 1991 RR Silver Spur II. :)

Dave

The man with the 70 sedan :histeric: just e-mailed me back and said he doesn't know how to send pictures over e-mail, but I should feel free to check it out.

There was a time when people didn't have internet you know :cool2:

There was a time when people didn't have internet you know :cool2:

Yes I was laughing at the rhyme I made. I had a feeling that was going to be a misunderstanding with the smiley :o

Hey, it's a start. Nothing wrong with spending some time evaluating a beautiful old Caddy in person!

Hey, it's a start. Nothing wrong with spending some time evaluating a beautiful old Caddy in person!

Yep! Driving one of these old beasts always puts a smile on my face, and seeing it in person is much different than in your mind or on the internet. The presence really shows through in real life.

Chad,

I wouldn't say the saddle interior color in that Fleetwood is darker - - just different. The burnished gold interior in my car looks a bit like the dark brown interiors of the early 1980's Cadillacs except in the sun the gold hues come out.

Another thing, Chad, get with it: I escaped the snow of cold of Minnesota and moved to Florida full time 2 1/2 years ago. :) As I recall, the last time we saw each other was in the fall of 2006 at Southview when I was driving the silver 1991 RR Silver Spur II. :)

Dave

Yeah, I remember that. You stopped in to talk with Lyle Hoffman. I'm not sure if you heard about it, but Southview went out of business in April, the entire company that owned Southview and about 15 other dealers (Denny Hecker) went bankrupt and washed up. Many of my ex-coworkers are still unemployed and awaiting for Southview to reopen under new ownership (Twins star Joe Mauer's brother bought it from Bankruptcy court and is awaiting GM's approval on the Chevrolet franchise).

That Rolls was awesome though, never been in a car quite like it. The build quality was awesome.

Hey Space Age, how about something like this?

http://reno.craigslist.org/cto/1462988813.html

Hey Space Age, how about something like this?

http://reno.craigslist.org/cto/1462988813.html

Yep, that's what I am looking for. Although, if it is a hardtop, the sedan would fit better, and if it is the coupe, the convertible. But, yes, that is exactly what I like!! :bouncy:

^ THAT is what you need!

Yes I was laughing at the rhyme I made. I had a feeling that was going to be a misunderstanding with the smiley :o

I try, don't worry kid. I don't hate you. I just question your customizing style.

I try, don't worry kid. I don't hate you. I just question your customizing style.

I'm not a complete idiot like that guy in the video you showed!

The only customization whatsoever I was even thinking about doing was a paint job (if the one that is already on it is ugly) and no, not a "candy" paint, just a base color. And if it is a bad interior, redo that with some of the factory materials that can be found on the internet. Also, just a simple CD player, not some overdone bass system. That is all.

The most recent link provided by 77CDV is perfect as-is.

It really doesnt matter what other people think of your sense of style, 64 has his/her own style and you have yours. If your looking for something with a custum touch and have the ability to buy it with rims/paint of your taste, you should lean that way when purchasing cause that can be a big saving. Looking at the ad that 77 posted, some of the ones your looking at may be overpriced. 18K is way too much for anything that you wanna customize. 3K is a good price for a good drivetrain and interior, minor exterior rust/paint can be fixed for 2 to 5K to your liking and your still within budget.

I'm not a complete idiot like that guy in the video you showed!

The only customization whatsoever I was even thinking about doing was a paint job (if the one that is already on it is ugly) and no, not a "candy" paint, just a base color. And if it is a bad interior, redo that with some of the factory materials that can be found on the internet. Also, just a simple CD player, not some overdone bass system. That is all.

The most recent link provided by 77CDV is perfect as-is.

Whew.... I was worried son. I really felt sorry for that "pimped out" 1964 Cadillac Deville.

It really doesnt matter what other people think of your sense of style, 64 has his/her own style and you have yours. If your looking for something with a custum touch and have the ability to buy it with rims/paint of your taste, you should lean that way when purchasing cause that can be a big saving. Looking at the ad that 77 posted, some of the ones your looking at may be overpriced. 18K is way too much for anything that you wanna customize. 3K is a good price for a good drivetrain and interior, minor exterior rust/paint can be fixed for 2 to 5K to your liking and your still within budget.

Please don't add overpowered bass, air bags, and 50 inch rims!

You know, I've seen bags done in a very tasteful and workman like manner. I was at a show in San Diego in September, and a guy drove up in a '64 CDV he'd bagged. Now, the paint had been done in something very close to the factory aqua of the period; the interior, well, sort of a zebra print in black and gold. Stock wheels and covers. The car drove in at stock height, but when he parked, he lay the frame square on the ground. In talking to him, he got the car as a near-rust-out and but for this, it surely would have gone to the crusher. But for the interior, I found it rather classy, and given the choice between the car being lost forever or living this second life, I'll accept the zebra print.

Anybody near Carson City want to check out a CDV for SpaceAge?

You know, I've seen bags done in a very tasteful and workman like manner. I was at a show in San Diego in September, and a guy drove up in a '64 CDV he'd bagged. Now, the paint had been done in something very close to the factory aqua of the period; the interior, well, sort of a zebra print in black and gold. Stock wheels and covers. The car drove in at stock height, but when he parked, he lay the frame square on the ground. In talking to him, he got the car as a near-rust-out and but for this, it surely would have gone to the crusher. But for the interior, I found it rather classy, and given the choice between the car being lost forever or living this second life, I'll accept the zebra print.

Anybody near Carson City want to check out a CDV for SpaceAge?

I have to admit. Customization can be, in most cases, better than death but when it becomes distasteful enough I think it's unnecessary cruelty.

You know, I've seen bags done in a very tasteful and workman like manner. I was at a show in San Diego in September, and a guy drove up in a '64 CDV he'd bagged. Now, the paint had been done in something very close to the factory aqua of the period; the interior, well, sort of a zebra print in black and gold. Stock wheels and covers. The car drove in at stock height, but when he parked, he lay the frame square on the ground. In talking to him, he got the car as a near-rust-out and but for this, it surely would have gone to the crusher. But for the interior, I found it rather classy, and given the choice between the car being lost forever or living this second life, I'll accept the zebra print.

Anybody near Carson City want to check out a CDV for SpaceAge?

Spot on! Although, I don't plan on doing THAT much to it!

Thanks for the help :)

You're most welcome! I'll keep a lookout for likely suspects that are located closer to you.

Now, if you're going to drop serious money on a covertible, you want this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Cadillac-Deville-Conv-Gold-Blk-50k-AC-1-Owner-Mint_W0QQitemZ170407883413QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Ca rs_Trucks?hash=item27ad19f295

Just spied this gem. Glorious cars, and the price is right (if it's not destroyed). And, it's in FL! :)

http://ocala4sale.com/?09637880947