: Ladies and gentlemen, the $400,000 Toyota.



I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-06-09, 10:03 PM
Ok, so technically it's a Lexus, but still.... :hide:

http://www.lexus.com/LFA/

4.8L DOHC 40 Valve V-10
552hp
354 lb/ft

6-speed auto-clutch manual

0-60 in 3.7

Whaddya think? Much like the GT-R, I don't think it's a good looking car, but it definitely sticks out. Lexus must have cast iron balls to try and sell it for nearly $400,000 (Motor Trend estimates MSRP at 395k). Why are they shooting so high? I doubt it'll sell for that much money.

itschrome
11-06-09, 10:16 PM
considering they are only making 500 globally i am sure they will find people willing to pay the 400k based on rarity alone. how ever, speaking for my self i say no way am i paying 400k for that. for 150k you can get just as good and better.

the recluse
11-06-09, 10:22 PM
Looks like the Celica from a decade ago.

A $400k 200 mph Celica, but a Celica none the less...:bigroll:

V-Eight
11-06-09, 10:22 PM
I like the look, but only 354lb/ft? I'll pass.

gary88
11-06-09, 10:31 PM
That's Carrera GT money. There's way I'd pay $400,000 for a glorified dishwasher.

ryannel2003
11-06-09, 10:46 PM
I'd personally rather have a 911 Turbo, even if they aren't as exclusive. With the rest of the money I'd buy myself a nice house and a Cadillac or 5. But to be honest I haven't been impressed with Lexus this entire decade, save for the early 2000's GS430 and LS460.

Rodya234
11-06-09, 11:03 PM
$400k for a Lexus?

No thank you, I'll take an S65 AMG please.

orconn
11-07-09, 12:06 AM
Next we'll here that there will only be 100 LFA's to be sold in the U.S. ............. ooh! gotta have one said the dotcom guy!

ryannel2003
11-07-09, 12:13 AM
Hopefully these don't come standard with Toyota's newest standard feature - the out of control accelerator. Is a cemetery plot included with that $400k pricetag?

Destroyer
11-07-09, 12:52 AM
It is nice but I can think of hundreds of cars I'd rather have for the money.;)

Rolex
11-07-09, 01:00 AM
Hopefully these don't come standard with Toyota's newest standard feature - the out of control accelerator. Is a cemetery plot included with that $400k pricetag?

:haha:

I think I'd rather have a Z06 in every available color for the money you'd spend on the Toyopet.

Stingroo
11-07-09, 01:23 AM
I am still angry at GM for discontinuing all THREE variations of Orange on the C6.

:(

Aron9000
11-07-09, 02:05 AM
For about $425k(yes just 25k more) you can have a BRAND NEW Ferrari F430 AND a BRAND NEW Lamborghini Gallardo. Or you could just buy one of those and a nice house for $400k.

CIWS
11-07-09, 10:04 AM
It's a collector car, like the Bugatti. Not one for average joes. It's built at a loss or possibly might break even, but it's done to show engineering capabilities, not mass production sales.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-07-09, 10:05 AM
I wonder if it'll stir up fanboys the way the GT-R does.

I hope not. :mad:

CIWS
11-07-09, 10:30 AM
I wonder if it'll stir up fanboys the way the GT-R does.

I hope not. :mad:


Naaa. There's only going to be 500 of them worldwide. You'd be lucky to see one outside of the press or TV.

Stingroo
11-07-09, 12:06 PM
No, the GTR gets fanboys because of 2 Fast 2 Furious.

If Paul Walker had been driving a riced out Honda Fit those would be "cool" too. It makes no difference, fanboys will be fanboys.

And personally, the GTR we have now is hideous. In person or in photograph, I can't find one thing I like about it. The R34 was nice, but it's been done to death, and I hear it doesn't really drive like a car, more like a videogame type thing where it will correct your mistakes for you, in a way.

What's the fun in that? :(

concorso
11-07-09, 12:23 PM
No, the GTR gets fanboys because of 2 Fast 2 Furious.

If Paul Walker had been driving a riced out Honda Fit those would be "cool" too. It makes no difference, fanboys will be fanboys.

And personally, the GTR we have now is hideous. In person or in photograph, I can't find one thing I like about it. The R34 was nice, but it's been done to death, and I hear it doesn't really drive like a car, more like a videogame type thing where it will correct your mistakes for you, in a way.

What's the fun in that? :( The fun is going around a track as with your foot welded to the floor constantly...or driving hard around a dirt covered turn, and not having the back end up in a ditch... Sure its boring and makes up for youre shitty driving, but an average joe will be faster around practically any track in a GTR then they will be in any Vette...its that easy to drive hard... If you cant see the fun in that...

Stingroo
11-07-09, 12:50 PM
I could, but I would rather learn to drive properly than get in a GTR, think I was the shit, then get into like, a Z06 or 458 Italia and wreck the car because I found out I had no idea what I was actually doing.

V-Eight
11-07-09, 02:10 PM
Sounds like the Italia does a fair bit of hand-holding itself, but I agree with you on learning to drive properly.

Stingroo
11-07-09, 02:31 PM
True, it does actually, but at least it isn't AWD.

But yeah. I would love to someday go to a proper driving school. It's on my 'things to do before i turn 30' list. lol

Jesda
11-07-09, 02:46 PM
Its a cool car, but not $400k cool.

Jonas McFeely
11-07-09, 04:31 PM
No, the GTR gets fanboys because of 2 Fast 2 Furious.

If Paul Walker had been driving a riced out Honda Fit those would be "cool" too. It makes no difference, fanboys will be fanboys.

And personally, the GTR we have now is hideous. In person or in photograph, I can't find one thing I like about it. The R34 was nice, but it's been done to death, and I hear it doesn't really drive like a car, more like a videogame type thing where it will correct your mistakes for you, in a way.

What's the fun in that? :(

Oh stop it. You, me, and everyone on this forum would piss themselves if they got to drive a GTR on a track, or even on the highway. :thepan:

I got to see one at Bill Ray Nissan in Longwood when i had to get an OEM part for my Altima. Salesman said i could drive it if my credit was good enough...last time i checked it was a 637. No dice.

:drool:


http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w248/85evergreenbrougham/05272009577.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w248/85evergreenbrougham/05272009576.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w248/85evergreenbrougham/05272009575.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w248/85evergreenbrougham/05272009574.jpg

Stingroo
11-07-09, 05:14 PM
Honestly, I don't find a single line on that car attractive. I really don't. lol

Don't get me wrong, if someone went up to me and said "Hey, want to take this for a few laps?" I wouldn't say no; it's just that if I had the choice of what vehicle to do it with, it would be pretty far down the list.

ryannel2003
11-07-09, 06:34 PM
I saw one a few months ago and freaked out because I had never seen one and I knew what it was. My mom was sitting next to me and said "How did you know what was a GT-R?" To be honest I don't think you could really mix up a GT-R with anything else on the road. Plus, it was in boring white metallic so it wasn't as noticeable as the red one above.

I like it a weird sort of way. It doesn't have the elegance of a Porsche 911 or the classic lines of a Corvette, but you see those everyday so the GT-R is really in a class all by itself.

The Tony Show
11-07-09, 09:42 PM
More proof that an extra $300,000 of fancy carbon pillars and computer nannies still can't beat a huge stinkin' V8 with a blower strapped to it.

codewize
11-08-09, 12:00 PM
I like the look but I don't think Lexus or Toyota are super car names and someone would really have to show me the numbers proving that this thing can be in that class or car.

Did anyone watch the CTS-V challenge? The proof is in the numbers

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-08-09, 12:10 PM
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w248/85evergreenbrougham/05272009577.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w248/85evergreenbrougham/05272009576.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w248/85evergreenbrougham/05272009575.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w248/85evergreenbrougham/05272009574.jpg

I don't find the car ugly, as a matter of fact, I love that shade of red, but I don't find the car's design terribly attractive either. Aside from the last generation Supra and 3000GT VR-4, and maybe the NSX, the Japanese don't build beautiful sports cars. But rather, their beauty lies in the depth of engineering, reliability, and ease of ownership.


I like the look but I don't think Lexus or Toyota are super car names and someone would really have to show me the numbers proving that this thing can be in that class or car.

Agreed. If Cadillac made a $400,000 car, even with production of 500, it would get laughed off the market. But Lexus doing so? It'd probably work and that's what pisses me off.

LS1Mike
11-08-09, 02:23 PM
There is a brand new Silver GTR on base. A Nuke bought with his re-enlistment bonus. Not impressed...for the money.

He touches 11.70's at the Track, not enough to Scare most Vettes, Cobra's and F-bodies around here, well at least the guys I race with.
None of our cars our stock of course, but he was a bit embarrassed when a certain daily driven WS6 beat him to the end of the 1320.
What does he say "You can't do that one road course"
What did I say "You are right, be we are not on road course right now"
Away he went.

V-Eight
11-08-09, 02:31 PM
There is a brand new Silver GTR on base. A Nuke bought with his re-enlistment bonus. Not impressed...for the money.

He touches 11.70's at the Track, not enough to Scare most Vettes, Cobra's and F-bodies around here, well at least the guys I race with.
None of our cars our stock of course, but he was a bit embarrassed when a certain daily driven WS6 beat him to the end of the 1320.
What does he say "You can't do that one road course"
What did I say "You are right, be we are not on road course right now"
Away he went.

I like your style.

Jonas McFeely
11-08-09, 02:36 PM
Aside from the last generation Supra and 3000GT VR-4, and maybe the NSX, the Japanese don't build beautiful sports cars.


Umm, Chad, youre forgetting the Z32 300ZX...

From Wikipedia:




1990: The 1990 300-ZX Turbo is named Motor Trend's "Import Car of the Year". Motor Trend also names it, "One of the Top Ten Performance Cars". Automobile Magazine honours the 300-ZX/300ZX Turbo as its "Design of the Year", and names the 300ZX Turbo to its "All Stars" list. Road & Track names the 300ZX Turbo "One of the Ten Best Cars in the World". Car and Driver names the 300ZX Turbo "One of the Ten Best Cars".
1991: The 300ZX Turbo is named to Car and Driver 's "Ten Best" list, and is once again one of Automobile Magazine's "All-Stars".
1992: For the third straight year, Car and Driver names the 300ZX Turbo one of its "Ten Best", and Automobile Magazine names it to its "All-Stars" list.
1993: For the fourth straight year, the 300ZX Turbo is named a Car and Driver "Ten Best", and one of Automobile Magazine's "All-Stars".
1994: For the fifth straight year, the 300ZX Turbo is named to the "Ten Best" and "All Stars" lists by Car and Driver and Automobile Magazine, respectively.
1995: For the sixth straight year the 300ZX Turbo is named to the "Ten Best" by Car and Driver.
1996: For the seventh straight year the 300ZX Turbo is named to the "Ten Best" by Car and Driver, this is also the final year of production in the US.

Even after production stopped magazines have continued to rave and award the 300ZX years later.


2004: Automobile lists the Z32 as one of the 100 greatest cars of all time.
2006: Automobile lists the Z32 on both the "20 Greatest Cars of the Past 20 years" and the "25 Most Beautiful Cars in History".




Yes, i have a huge boner for the Z32 and for Nissan's in general... :yup:

LS1Mike
11-08-09, 02:41 PM
I like your style.

I am not trying to say it is a bad car, but it is easy to get down the 1320.

I however would not piss if I got to drive one. I have driven a 10 second Z06 a few times and a 10 second LT1 Camaro many times. Now that is a lot of fun and it requires a bit of concentration.
All of my F-bodies ran 11's I know I will get the "Well you can make any turd fast with cash" That is right. I prefer to build mine then buy mine. I will take a fast turd any day.

Now Try getting a 6 speed Mcleod twin disk clutch with a ford 9 inch sporting 4.10 gears down the 1320 with a 1.7X 1/4 mile time with no electronics and the N20 coming on at 2500 at WOT to run 11.10 to 11.30. That requires a bit of driving :D, the GTR, well by all acounts you are just there for the ride.
My beef is not with Nissan, but more the Press and nut swinging we get about the GTR.

Jonas McFeely
11-08-09, 02:50 PM
I am not trying to say it is a bad car, but it is easy to get down the 1320.

I however would not piss if I got to drive one. I have driven a 10 second Z06 a few times and a 10 second LT1 Camaro many times. Now that is a lot of fun and it requires a bit of concentration.
All of my F-bodies ran 11's I know I will get the "Well you can make any turd fast with cash" That is right. I prefer to build mine then buy mine. I will take a fast turd any day.

Now Try getting a 6 speed Mcleod twin disk clutch with a ford 9 inch sporting 4.10 gears down the 1320 with a 1.7X 1/4 mile time with no electronics and the N20 coming on at 2500 at WOT to run 11.10 to 11.30. That requires a bit of driving :D, the GTR, well by all acounts you are just there for the ride.
My beef is not with Nissan, but more the Press and nut swinging we get about the GTR.


The GTR is not a straight-line drag car. It just happens to do that fairly well. Take any of those RWD torque monsters around and actual track and youve really got nothing. Comparing the GTR to a Z06 or WS6 drag racer is asinine. Those cars are about getting down a 1/4 mile track. The GTR is about carving corners. No comparison.

gary88
11-08-09, 02:54 PM
If you buy a GTR to drive it in a straight line... then you're doing it wrong.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXFSVoVqhYw

LS1Mike
11-08-09, 02:59 PM
The GTR is not a straight-line drag car. It just happens to do that fairly well. Take any of those RWD torque monsters around and actual track and youve really got nothing. Comparing the GTR to a Z06 or WS6 drag racer is asinine. Those cars are about getting down a 1/4 mile track. The GTR is about carving corners. No comparison.

Maybe the WS6, but I suggest you head out the to local road course and watch a 500 HP C6 Z06 get around the Course, I bet you would be suprised.
Not sure why you made that statement. I spend basically my whole summer at the track. A 500 HP Z06 runs 10's and gets around the course just as good as a GTR.

My point was this, the GTR fan boys always point out the 1/4 mile time.
Then get pissed when they get out run there. Then the "road course" excuses come out. Then head out down to road course. I don't want to hear the fan boys crying about the road course go there then if you don't want to get beat by a "Turd". Plus there are plenty of straight aways on my way to work.

Anyway....

Back on topic.

The Lexus looks nice, I am sure it performs well also, but not 400,000 dollars well.
The will sell all 500 quick. A very neat collector car.

V-Eight
11-08-09, 04:01 PM
Take any of those RWD torque monsters around and actual track and youve really got nothing. Comparing the GTR to a Z06 or WS6 drag racer is asinine. .

You've gotta be kidding. A WS6, yeah, but a Z06.....are you serious!?! Those 2 cars can absolutely be compared.

Stingroo
11-08-09, 07:21 PM
A... Z06... is about getting down a 1/4 mile track? Really?

I can't even begin to explain how wrong that is, so I'll take a cue from Ford:

Drive one.

Jonas McFeely
11-08-09, 10:57 PM
A... Z06... is about getting down a 1/4 mile track? Really?

I can't even begin to explain how wrong that is, so I'll take a cue from Ford:

Drive one.

Ive driven a 2002 Z06, albeit for only about a 1/4 of a mile.


And i stand corrected, the Z06 is a road course car, but it still cant touch a GTR at Nurburgring. GTR did it in 7:29, Z06 did it in 7:42. 13 seconds is huge. The ZR1 is a different story, but its also about $15k more...

Stingroo
11-08-09, 11:20 PM
The GTR is also all-wheel drive. lol

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-08-09, 11:37 PM
And i stand corrected, the Z06 is a road course car, but it still cant touch a GTR at Nurburgring. GTR did it in 7:29, Z06 did it in 7:42. 13 seconds is huge. The ZR1 is a different story, but its also about $15k more...

Didn't the CTS-V pull off a 7:28...or was that 7:21?

gary88
11-09-09, 12:00 AM
V2 did it in 7:59, the ZR-1 did it in 7:26.4

77CDV
11-09-09, 01:24 AM
Toyota will lose money on every one, and they plan on hand-picking the people who will be allowed to buy them to ensure maximum exposure. I'm underwhelmed, which is my usual reaction to Toyota products. Looks like they didn't learn anything from the Acura NSX experience.

Stingroo
11-09-09, 02:19 AM
I'm confused... NSX = Honda?

I assume you're comparing the two in some way, but I thought the NSX was produced in somewhat large numbers? Like Honda's Corvette, if you will.

77CDV
11-10-09, 12:27 AM
Don't know about production numbers, but the NSX was supposed to have been Acura's supercar, a Ferrari at a third the price. It never took off, even though objectively it was a respectable performer. Japanese cars are like vanilla ice cream. Most folks don't mind them, some even like them, but nobody lusts after them.

Jonas McFeely
11-10-09, 12:55 AM
Japanese cars are like vanilla ice cream. Most folks don't mind them, some even like them, but nobody lusts after them.

I lust after a Z32 300ZX TT in Cobalt Green Pearl. I most certainly lust after that car.

Stingroo
11-10-09, 10:58 AM
I can't really compare an NSX to a Ferrari. Maybe when it first came out, but it went mostly unchanged until its demise in 2005 (I think '05 at least), and by that time, a 360 would stomp all over it in almost every way I'd think. lol

They're nice to look at, but I would never buy one, like most other Japanese cars to me.

I <3 American and German cars mostly.

V-Eight
11-10-09, 12:56 PM
I <3 American and German cars mostly.

It would seem me and you have similar taste.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-10-09, 08:06 PM
I can't really compare an NSX to a Ferrari. Maybe when it first came out, but it went mostly unchanged until its demise in 2005 (I think '05 at least), and by that time, a 360 would stomp all over it in almost every way I'd think. lol

They're nice to look at, but I would never buy one, like most other Japanese cars to me.

I <3 American and German cars mostly.

When it debuted in '89 or '90, it was insane for a Japanese car. Nobody thought the Japanese would ever put out something like that, but they did, and it didn't take them fairly long. Sure, it didn't have the prestige of the Ferrari, but it was much cheaper, more reliable and much easier to service. Compared to a 1989 vintage Ferrari, the performance was pretty sharp too. It's too bad though that they didn't update the performance at all.

But, aside from the 3000GT VR4 and Supra Turbo (and to a much lesser extent, the 300ZX) from the same era, there aren't many Japanese sports cars that really got me excited. For the most part, they just didn't have the style or soul of the Europeans or Americans.

gary88
11-10-09, 09:18 PM
The NSX is one of the best sports cars to ever come out of Japan, I'd love to have one. I sat in one before maybe 5 years ago and it was a really unique place to be, the ergonomics and visibility were just about perfect.

Plus how could you NOT love a car that was developed in part by Ayrton Senna?

Jonas McFeely
11-10-09, 11:21 PM
When it debuted in '89 or '90, it was insane for a Japanese car. Nobody thought the Japanese would ever put out something like that, but they did, and it didn't take them fairly long. Sure, it didn't have the prestige of the Ferrari, but it was much cheaper, more reliable and much easier to service. Compared to a 1989 vintage Ferrari, the performance was pretty sharp too. It's too bad though that they didn't update the performance at all.

But, aside from the 3000GT VR4 and Supra Turbo (and to a much lesser extent, the 300ZX) from the same era, there aren't many Japanese sports cars that really got me excited. For the most part, they just didn't have the style or soul of the Europeans or Americans.

Ummm, what are these early-mid '90's American and European cars with such "style and soul" that you are referring to? Im genuinely curious.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-10-09, 11:38 PM
Ummm, what are these early-mid '90's American and European cars with such "style and soul" that you are referring to? Im genuinely curious.

M5
SL Class
928
8 Series
Any Ferrari
Any Lamborghini
Any Maserati
Any Lotus
Any TVR
Corvette (ZR1)
Z28/Iroc Camaro
GTA/Trans Am
Fox Body Mustangs

The list goes on and on.

Jonas McFeely
11-10-09, 11:46 PM
M5
SL Class
928
8 Series
Corvette (ZR1)
Z28/Iroc Camaro
GTA/Trans Am
Fox Body Mustangs

The list goes on and on.

K, i agree with those...minus the Mustang :tard:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-11-09, 12:12 AM
Dont get me wrong, I like Japanese sports cars, I just like the American/ European cars more.

And I'm a few beers into my night. :alchi:

I really like the DSMs, Preludes, 3000GT VR4, Supra and last gen 300zx. The RX7 looked cool, but I couldn't get into the rotary.

Stingroo
11-11-09, 01:23 AM
Dude, 8 series IS sex on wheels. I would LOVE one.

orconn
11-11-09, 01:25 AM
The NSX from Acura was a pretty nice car, I had several friends who bought them. The NSX were really pretty state of the art for sports coupes of their day. I think my friends bought them thinking all the good stuff and reliability too! It wasn't so, the NSXs had their own reliabilty problems and they became notorious for eating very expensive sets of tire like they were going out of style. My friends tired of them quickly, truth of the matter the Ferraris ownership lasted longer, but only because of the cache that came with the name. Truth be told once the exotica left the realm of Grand Turismo cars (Lamborghini 350GT/400GT to Miura) to supercars they lost their value as cars that could be enjoyed on a day to day basis. The whole super car exotica thing really became the darlings of the auto press and their readers. Great GT cars like the Ferrari 400 Gt and the Lamborghini Espada and others didn't get the press and soon left the marketplace to be repalced by hopped up passenger cars like the BMW M's and the Mercedes super sedans. Personally, I miss the truly great small volume cars from Italy, France, Switzerland and even Britain. I mean whats a rich guy or girl supossed to do to get a "unique" ride these days ... sorry BMW M5s dont get the job done, and Bentley Continental coupes are just so much fluff when the parking lots are full of them!

77CDV
11-11-09, 03:00 AM
I lust after a Z32 300ZX TT in Cobalt Green Pearl. I most certainly lust after that car.

But what if it wasn't green? :duck:

(j/k)

Jonas McFeely
11-11-09, 05:17 AM
But what if it wasn't green? :duck:

(j/k)

You get away with that because you've been around long enough to know whats up. :D


Also, i feel that i deserve a "Sage" emoticon. I mean, for real, it is/was kind of what im known for. I'll become a supporting member again...

fishhead
11-11-09, 08:44 PM
nice

gary88
11-12-09, 01:00 AM
Man this thing has a neat gauge cluster.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51U1KiNUlTo

V-Eight
11-12-09, 09:39 AM
Wow, that is nice. I see they did the same thing as the Mustang with the flashing red when you redline it.

joee5
11-12-09, 09:49 AM
No thank you.

Jonas McFeely
11-12-09, 02:54 PM
Whatever. My $651 1985 300ZX could talk to me...in a hot computer chick voice. This Teryoda cant even do that. :yawn:

Stingroo
11-12-09, 04:00 PM
I can honestly say that I HATE the talking computer voice. A friend of mine has an '86 300ZX and it annoyed me so much. He disconnected the speaker for it, thankfully, but after about 2 weeks he said that he couldn't drive without it anymore.

Like... gtfo.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-12-09, 08:49 PM
Chryslers from that era had that too. That is something that'd only come out of the '80s.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-12-09, 08:52 PM
Man this thing has a neat gauge cluster.

YouTube- 東京モーターショー LEXUS FL-A インパネメーターデモ YAZAKIブー (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51U1KiNUlTo)

What's that disease called when you have convulsions due to rapid blinking lights? Yeah, I could see that causing that.

Stingroo
11-12-09, 09:07 PM
Epilepsy. I don't think it would cause it, but it could probably trigger a seizure from it most likely.

V-Eight
11-12-09, 09:31 PM
LOL, the Japanese seem to be skilled at inducing seizures.

LS1Mike
11-12-09, 09:33 PM
Whatever. My $651 1985 300ZX could talk to me...in a hot computer chick voice. This Teryoda cant even do that. :yawn:

PSHAW! I had an 86 Laser and 86 Lebaron, both turbo, and they would talk to you too!

Aron9000
11-13-09, 03:43 AM
Man this thing has a neat gauge cluster.

YouTube- 東京モーターショー LEXUS FL-A インパネメーターデモ YAZAKIブー (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51U1KiNUlTo)

So I guess you can pretend to be playing Grand Turisomo while you drive a real car now. I swear gadgets give those Japanese guys a bigger hard on than going to a strip club.

Jonas McFeely
11-13-09, 04:35 AM
So I guess you can pretend to be playing Grand Turisomo while you drive a real car now. I swear gadgets give those Japanese guys a bigger hard on than going to a strip club.

The only people that love gadgets as much as the Japanese are Americans...:thepan:

Aron9000
11-13-09, 04:58 AM
The only people that love gadgets as much as the Japanese are Americans...:thepan:

I didn't mean to come across as racist or anything, but the Japanese always get the newest technology like cell phones, video games, etc months or sometimes years before we get them here in the US.

Anyways, getting back on topic, I'm amazed an OEM hasn't used Autometer gauges in their dashboards. They look cool and are very simple/to the point.

http://www.shaun-maluga.com/ProjectZ/Pictures/MyProjectZ/Gauges_Autometer.jpg

gary88
11-13-09, 02:29 PM
Here's a video of it at the Nurburgring.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XRnCDcGZlk

And Ryan Woon's thoughts on it:

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=566855

in which he also states the reasons for the digital gauges


*The gauge cluster is all digital and pretty trick. They did this mainly because there is no mechanical gauge in the world that can move fast enough to keep up with the revs which brings me to the next fun fact

*The car will rev from idle to 9500rpm is .6sec. It's ridiculous how fast it free revs

The more I learn about this car... the more I like it :hide:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-13-09, 08:28 PM
That's right, I remember reading about how quick it revs!

itschrome
11-16-09, 07:44 PM
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200911/new-article-180_460x0w.jpg

OH, thats where my grill went. some jerk bolted it to the back of a 500k toyota..

Stingroo
11-16-09, 08:56 PM
It's quite obvious that you lower that wing-like attachment there to get the lines on BOTH sides of your burgers.

Jonas McFeely
11-17-09, 04:44 AM
Mesh grilles look hideous. Always. On any car. Whoever the jerkoff was that decided that they were the "in" thing for 2002+ should be slapped across the face with one. Mesh grilles/inserts/bullshit is one of the worst things to happen to automotive design since bulbous and protruding head and taillights. :thepan:

And yes, i think every Cadillac with a mesh grille is hideous. :stirpot:

Warren_R
11-17-09, 04:48 AM
Anyone think the Smithsonian might be interested?

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-17-09, 08:39 AM
Mesh grilles look hideous. Always. On any car. Whoever the jerkoff was that decided that they were the "in" thing for 2002+ should be slapped across the face with one. Mesh grilles/inserts/bullshit is one of the worst things to happen to automotive design since bulbous and protruding head and taillights. :thepan:

And yes, i think every Cadillac with a mesh grille is hideous. :stirpot:

81, 87, 88 Broughams?

V-Eight
11-17-09, 08:56 AM
Mesh grilles look hideous. Always. On any car. Whoever the jerkoff was that decided that they were the "in" thing for 2002+ should be slapped across the face with one. Mesh grilles/inserts/bullshit is one of the worst things to happen to automotive design since bulbous and protruding head and taillights. :thepan:

And yes, i think every Cadillac with a mesh grille is hideous. :stirpot:

That's pretty sad because the new V is their nicest looking car.

Jonas McFeely
11-17-09, 03:34 PM
81, 87, 88 Broughams?

Thats not mesh, Chad. Thats egg crate or whatever.

This is ok:


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c40/Cadillac_guy/2163398_5_full.jpg




This is hideous:

http://image.motortrend.com/f/17968804+w750/112_0907_13z+2009_cadillac_CTS-V+grille.jpg



I think the V is a gorgeous car, but if i ever had the scratch to buy one, the grille would be the first thing to go.

Stingroo
11-17-09, 04:11 PM
It honestly looks like the same thing, just at a 45 degree angle.

To each his own, I guess.

itschrome
11-18-09, 12:27 AM
the mesh on the v looks decent. it looks like they designed it for the car. that mesh on the toyota looks like hardware store stock.

Jonas McFeely
11-18-09, 05:37 AM
the mesh on the v looks decent. it looks like they designed it for the car.

What? No it doesnt. Hence the stock CTS...and its lack of mesh. It looks like some shit custom shop tacked some mesh on there. I almost expect to see portholes on it.

Warren_R
11-18-09, 06:39 AM
Hmmmm that really does look like chain link fencing stapled into the front ... who did their exterior design, TruValue? :histeric:

Stingroo
11-18-09, 08:32 AM
Hmmmm that really does look like chain link fencing stapled into the front ... who did their exterior design, TruValue? :histeric:

No. Ace - the hardware place. :thepan:

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-18-09, 11:40 PM
What? No it doesnt. Hence the stock CTS...and its lack of mesh. It looks like some shit custom shop tacked some mesh on there. I almost expect to see portholes on it.

I think Bentley started putting the mesh grilles on their sportiest cars back in the '80s and that's where the craze started.

concorso
11-19-09, 06:45 PM
What? No it doesnt. Hence the stock CTS...and its lack of mesh. It looks like some shit custom shop tacked some mesh on there. I almost expect to see portholes on it.So what do you think of the mesh on Jaguars? Bentleys?

Jonas McFeely
11-19-09, 07:10 PM
So what do you think of the mesh on Jaguars? Bentleys?

I think it looks decent on Bentleys. I absolutely LOVE the XJR and i like the mesh on that. The holes are small and it looks nice on it.

The mesh pattern that Cadillac uses just looks so..."Auto Zone" to me. I mean its not pleasing to the eye at all in my opinion.

Rodya234
11-19-09, 07:16 PM
I think Bentley started putting the mesh grilles on their sportiest cars back in the '80s and that's where the craze started.

Well, besides being a fashion statement, wire mesh does allow more airflow to enter the engine bay versus a conventional grille. Not much more air, but I guess there is some actual reasoning behind it.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-19-09, 09:50 PM
^ I suppose there was SOME engineering reason for Bentley to do that! :lol:

77CDV
11-19-09, 11:44 PM
Right. Just like Ventiports.;)

orconn
11-20-09, 12:02 AM
I think the mesh radiator grill was an attempt to emulate the "performance" Bentleys from the days of the "Bentley Boys" racing era in the 1920's and '30's. In those days when European racing was "road racing" in many instances many makes of race cars carried mesh stone guards to protect their headlights and radiators from flying stones and debris kicked up from the course. Today it is just an affectation to convey the hihgher performance of a model of the street car.

I~LUV~Caddys8792
11-20-09, 08:49 AM
Cool. Gotcha. :yup:

itschrome
11-23-09, 03:53 PM
huh, so this is an interesting new twist


In an effort to douse the growing fear that the Lexus LF-A’s price tag would be too much to spare, Lexus has decided that they will lease the cars to prospective owners and not sell them outright. According to Automotive News, Lexus will be offering two year leases of the LFA to interested parties at a fixed price and, after the two-year period expires, will give these people the chance to buy the car outright.

This development should come as a welcome relief to those interested in getting one of the 500 LF-As Lexus is set to build. This allows people the opportunity to go home with one of the most sought-after supercars in the world without having to pay the full price tag for the privilege. In the event that they’d want to let go of it after two years, they won’t have to pay for the outstanding balance of the car. But if they want to keep the LF-A in their garage, they would only need to pay the remaining balance.

Ever since the car was unveiled at the Tokyo Motor Show, the buzz surrounding the car has grown exponentially with more and more people salivating at the thought of owning a limited edition model. But while the price tag has yet to be released, people are still expecting the LF-A to come with a six-digit price tag, which, given the signs of the times, might be too much for their wallets to bear.

Lexus’ decision to lease the LFAs instead of selling them outright allows people to enjoy the car’s glorious 552 horsepower without having to sell all their appendages in the black market.

i wonder what the lease price is and how much it will be to buy outright.

77CDV
11-24-09, 12:12 AM
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.