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09BlackV
11-02-09, 09:09 PM
I have read numerous threads but am unclear on a true answer. Has anyone found a solution for the clicking of the back wheels when turning?

09BlackV
11-02-09, 09:10 PM
If so did the dealership and warranty cover it?

Gary Wells
11-02-09, 10:32 PM
you are the 1st to report rear wheels clicking when turning. More than likely 1 or both front wheels are clicking when turning. No GM solution & no, dealers haven't found a solution either. There is a TSB out on the issue.

tedcmiller
11-02-09, 11:57 PM
Clean the wheel-hub interface and tighten up the lug nuts. The clicking will go away temporarily. No permanent solution for wheel clicking (front or rear) has been found by any poster, dealers, or GM.

commander112
11-06-09, 12:26 PM
I had a dumb thought last night but wanted to pass it on to see if it makes any sense. What if when applying the TSB for the clicking one were to add a dollop of synthetic oil to the hub? That would provide a thin layer for the hub and wheel to interface with and probably put an end to the clicking. Since we are talking about a very tight assembly it doubt too much dirt would be able to get in there. Anyone think this may actually help?

nynd
11-06-09, 12:32 PM
Oil and lug nuts keeping your wheel on is probably not a good idea. Imagine it heating up and flowing all around.

commander112
11-06-09, 06:05 PM
Oil and lug nuts keeping your wheel on is probably not a good idea. Imagine it heating up and flowing all around.

Ya. Heating and flowing around the lugnuts does not sound like a good idea. Like I said, it was a stupid idea.

Gary Wells
11-06-09, 09:12 PM
I don't think that it is a stupid idea at all. However, I don't think that oil would be your best choice. Possibly a anti-seize compound and / or lube spread very thinly might be worth a try. Being thicker, I don't think that it will flow to the threads quite so easily.
Many years ago, maybe as far back as early '70's I had some lug nuts that were just plain ornery coming off on about a '66 pontiac GTO. I came across a can of Lubri-Plate anti-seize compound and bought it. I began to use it on almost every bolt & nut on the car when putting nuts & bolts back together and still do, and that includes lug nuts. Never lost a lug nut.
Keeps stuff from rusting too. Might be interesting to try at slow speeds and see if it helps the clicking issue.

mugatu22
11-07-09, 03:43 AM
I thought this was the infamous 3/09 build problem? If not what's the dealio.

09BlackV
11-07-09, 01:09 PM
whats with the 3/09 build date? How can I check my my build date is?

62Jeff
11-07-09, 01:23 PM
How can I check my my build date is?

Look at the sticker in the driver's door jamb, with vehicle info including a month/year manufacture date.

Ready2roll
11-07-09, 02:29 PM
I have a build date of 02/09 and still have wheel clicking.

From what i understand after market wheels solves this issue?

backup
11-07-09, 02:40 PM
I am at 4500 miles and a 4/09 build date, had my first episode of wheel clicking this week. It sounds to me like the solution is different wheels and that is probably why GM has not proposed a fix!

GMX322V S/C
11-07-09, 09:19 PM
I don't think that it is a stupid idea at all. However, I don't think that oil would be your best choice. Possibly a anti-seize compound and / or lube spread very thinly might be worth a try. Being thicker, I don't think that it will flow to the threads quite so easily.
Many years ago, maybe as far back as early '70's I had some lug nuts that were just plain ornery coming off on about a '66 pontiac GTO. I came across a can of Lubri-Plate anti-seize compound and bought it. I began to use it on almost every bolt & nut on the car when putting nuts & bolts back together and still do, and that includes lug nuts. Never lost a lug nut.
Keeps stuff from rusting too. Might be interesting to try at slow speeds and see if it helps the clicking issue.You know, this reminds me: back in the day, I used to apply lithium grease to my wheel stud threads and a thin film on the wheel/hub interface to prevent any siezeing/binding. I used to have my wheels off every 5,000 miles to rotate them due to some radical camber I was running in the front, but never had a problem with the lug nuts backing out or anything...

Gary Wells
11-07-09, 10:00 PM
Oops, my bad. What have I done?
Sorry for any confusion that I may have caused with the 3/09 build date thread. A ways back, someone posted that their build date was 3/09, and my build date is 3/09, so i thought that it would be interesting to start a thread finding out how many 3/09 build dates there are, and then see if any chronic problems / issues develop out of 3/09 cars. A few people posted 2/09 build dates, 3/09 build dates, & 4/09 build dates, so for right now I entered the user name, how many miles currently, location, any issues so far, such as clicking wheels, etc., etc. Some problems might be traced to build dates, while other problems are isolated, intermittent, and / or random.
On a brighter side of the spectrum, one peep posted a ways back that he had wheel clicking, had gone to aftermarket wheels and the clicking went away, but he had not gone back to the factory wheels to see if the factory wheels still clicked.
One poster started that he is up to 9000 miles and has never had any clicking but he does remove his wheels every week, cleans them, replaces and re-torques them. Most peeps seem to discover wheel clicking by about 3000 miles, but some have noticed it as soon as 1000 miles. One peep is has advised that his car might be lemon-lawed for the wheel clicking by GM.
I am still interested in any data furnished for the 3/09 build date, or any build date approximate to it.
And we also have a thread going on for 1/4 mile times, trap speeds for both bone stock and modified but I am especially interested in who has the best bone stock 1/4 time. Best so far is 11.99 bone stock.
Post up if you are interested. Again, sorry for any confusion that 3/09 build date thread may have caused.
BTY, the 11.99 at 118 was an auto (go figure) by user name mpouls1.

zero26039
11-17-09, 02:31 PM
I have a build date of 6/09 and start started hearing the clicking. 2,000 miles

CTS-V-TWIN
11-17-09, 03:43 PM
I am almost done with the lemon law process here in California. GM has agreed to buyback my 09 CTS-V due to it being in service a total of 60 days since I have had the car. I got the car in January of this year and I had constant issues with the car. GM is replacing the vehicle for me and actually getting me into a GMAC Smartlease at a very good rate. My 2010 CTS-V is on order and will be built sometime in December, latest January after the holiday shutdown.

Right now, we are just going back and forth as to how much money I get back.

I hope I have better luck with the 2010 CTS-V.

SG

09BlackV
11-17-09, 07:00 PM
my build date is 06/09 front left wheel starting clicking on tight turns to the left started around 3,000 miles. I'm going to the dealership tomorrow to have it checked. Any advice?

commander112
11-17-09, 07:46 PM
my build date is 06/09 front left wheel starting clicking on tight turns to the left started around 3,000 miles. I'm going to the dealership tomorrow to have it checked. Any advice?

They will fix it for you. Too bad the "fix" is short lived.

CTS-V-TWIN
11-17-09, 08:00 PM
Funny thing is that the GM buyback rep told me that when ordering my 2010 CTS-V to only get the polished wheels and not to get the painted wheels.

I told her it doesn't matter, although the polished wheels don't click as loud as the painted wheels and not as frequent once the TSB is done.

SG

Gary Wells
11-17-09, 09:35 PM
my build date is 06/09 front left wheel starting clicking on tight turns to the left started around 3,000 miles. I'm going to the dealership tomorrow to have it checked. Any advice?
Pray a lot.

09BlackV
11-18-09, 02:55 AM
They will fix it for you. Too bad the "fix" is short lived.

What do you mean? how bad is yours?

09BlackV
11-18-09, 02:59 AM
Pray a lot.

What a load of BS, you would think GM could make a luxury vehicle that doesn't have problems like this. Big negative.:bomb:

anonfrank
11-18-09, 06:57 AM
Could be worse. It could be a BS problem like mats that stick to the accelerator and therefore kill you as a result. (I personally don't believe that explanation from Toyota, but hey...)

I've had much worse problems with first-year production car than the clicking in the past. The V has been quite trouble-free for me outside of the clicking, which I had for a while then it disappeared. I'm quite sure a solution will be found eventually, or that GM will end up sourcing its wheels from elsewhere in the future (ideal solution). Either that, or we'll all end up petitioning GM to pay for aftermarket wheels! :)

09BlackV
11-18-09, 11:15 AM
Could be worse. It could be a BS problem like mats that stick to the accelerator and therefore kill you as a result. (I personally don't believe that explanation from Toyota, but hey...)

I've had much worse problems with first-year production car than the clicking in the past. The V has been quite trouble-free for me outside of the clicking, which I had for a while then it disappeared. I'm quite sure a solution will be found eventually, or that GM will end up sourcing its wheels from elsewhere in the future (ideal solution). Either that, or we'll all end up petitioning GM to pay for aftermarket wheels! :)

LEt me get this strait, your wheeling clicking stopped on it's own??

anonfrank
11-18-09, 11:38 AM
^^^
Indeed, it is intermittent. It went away shortly before I switched to my winter rims, without having the "fix" applied. A couple of other members have described the same. I'm on my winter rims right now (stock polished rims torqued to my knowledge to the level recommended by the TSB), so I am waiting to see when if/when it returns.

09BlackV
11-18-09, 07:20 PM
Dealership fixed it no problem, cleaned and torqued. They also mentioned any mods to the engine or tranny will void the 60,000 mile powertrain.

CTS-V-TWIN
11-18-09, 07:57 PM
Dealership fixed it no problem, cleaned and torqued. They also mentioned any mods to the engine or tranny will void the 60,000 mile powertrain.

GM's powertrain warranty is 5 years or 100,000 miles. Cadillac's bumper to bumper warranty is 4 years or 50,000 miles.

SG

tedcmiller
11-18-09, 11:23 PM
Sorry 09BlackV, the dealer might have fixed the problem for now, but it will return. As of this point in time, there is no permanent solution for this problem. Anytime you change the wheels, retorque the lug nuts, or do anything that alters the wheel-hub interface, the clicking will go away temporarily. It will, however, return.

Now I ask you, is this really a big problem? I remember when the 2004 CTS-V rear end whined and caused the car to shake. I know - I had one. That was a real problem. This wheel clicking thing is not. I'm with anonfrank - this is a minor problem that pales beside other problems previous Vs have had (like the defective rear end previously described). I, for one, do not intend to worry about it.

09BlackV
11-19-09, 04:10 PM
Sorry 09BlackV, the dealer might have fixed the problem for now, but it will return. As of this point in time, there is no permanent solution for this problem. Anytime you change the wheels, retorque the lug nuts, or do anything that alters the wheel-hub interface, the clicking will go away temporarily. It will, however, return.

Now I ask you, is this really a big problem? I remember when the 2004 CTS-V rear end whined and caused the car to shake. I know - I had one. That was a real problem. This wheel clicking thing is not. I'm with anonfrank - this is a minor problem that pales beside other problems previous Vs have had (like the defective rear end previously described). I, for one, do not intend to worry about it.

Problem? no, I would call it an unexpected annoyance that shouldn't be any part of a luxury 65k automobile.
Is anyone with aftermarket tires or wheels having the same problem?

tedcmiller
11-20-09, 12:02 AM
Part of the problem here is that many people assume the CTS-V is a "luxury" car. It is not. It is primarily a performance car with some luxury items thrown in. As soon as people quit assuming that that this car should be perfect because it is a "luxury Cadillac", most of the complaints will go away. All cars have problems. Some problems are more significant than others. If wheel clicking is the only problem (unexpected annoyance) this car ever has, I will be very happy with it.

And, yes, some people with aftermarket tires and/or wheels are also experiencing "clicking."

anonfrank
11-20-09, 12:12 AM
And, yes, some people with aftermarket tires and/or wheels are also experiencing "clicking."

Well, so far, not yet. Recent poll and post here....

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2009/183185-oem-vs-after-market-wheel-clicking.html

zero26039
11-20-09, 12:12 AM
Wheels turn not click. If a 20,000 honda had clicking wheels or a 70,000 cadilaac it makes no diff. Its an unexpected noise that should be fixed. the car can go 180 mph, 0-60 in 3.9 but cant make a silent u turn.

tedcmiller
11-20-09, 12:26 AM
It should be pointed out that the poll pointed to by anonfrank means very little. Thirty-four total votes is not a lot. Many people who have seen the poll haven't voted, and many people haven't even seen it. While this poll seems to favor non-OEM wheels for reduced clicking, the fact is that what I call the "Mercedes syndrome" is probably at work. That is, people who spent lots of money trying to solve a problem, are probably not going to admit that it didn't.

09BlackV
11-20-09, 12:38 AM
Wheels turn not click. If a 20,000 honda had clicking wheels or a 70,000 cadilaac it makes no diff. Its an unexpected noise that should be fixed. the car can go 180 mph, 0-60 in 3.9 but cant make a silent u turn.

:yeah::yeah::squid:

GMX322V S/C
11-20-09, 03:35 AM
...And, yes, some people with aftermarket tires and/or wheels are also experiencing "clicking."Really? Interesting; please cite your source.

Gary Wells
11-20-09, 06:19 AM
Of the people that have posted:
There have been at least 2 people that have not had any wheel clicking issues:
(These are of the people that are above 3K miles on their cars. 1 of the 2 (user name: Prof) has 9K miles on his CTS-V, but "Prof" removes his wheels every week and cleans them. I believe that user name "Short-Throw" might be the other person not reporting any wheel clicking issues).
There have been at least 3 people posting that have had no issues after changing to aftermarket rims. 1 of the 3 changed to aftermarket rims back in the warm weather days, the other 2 changed over for winter use time frame, I believe. There have been no people posting wheel clicking issues after changing to aftermarket rims. There have not been any people reporting wheel clicking issues after changing to aftermarket tires only. More than likely, this issue has more to do with rim-hub interface more than it has anything to do with tire configuration or choice.
A poll with 34 votes is of some merit as it is much better than no poll, or a poll with far less or no votes.
Also of interest, maybe, is there are at least a couple of peeps that have experienced no clicking, there are at least a few more whose wheel clicking issues were resolved with a dealer "fix". There are a couple of peeps who have resolved the issue themselves but not stated the method of fix, or used the standard clean & remount, increase lug not pressure. There are some peeps who have had their problems resolved by 2 or more dealer visits, and there is / are at least 1 (user name="CTS-V-TWIN, or old user name "AERO1)or more that we are aware of who has had no resolution without resorting to GM buy-back. There are at least 3 people that have had their wheel clicking issues just "go away" on it's own. Some are just tired of reporting and just waiting for a GM resolution.
A search under the subject click or clicking will verify what's in my post. Happy reading.
HTH

Gary Wells
11-20-09, 06:56 AM
Cadillac Owners. Com Forum:

Earlier than 03/ 2009 Build date owners:
wait4me Warrick Cnty, IN (11/08)
leadfoot09 unknown (12/08) clicking fixed at 8000 miles, returning at 11000
RapidRob Seattle, WA (02/09)
Ready2roll Unknown unknown mileage wheel clicking
Wait4me Warrick Cnty, IN (02/09)


03/ 2009 Build date owners:
anonfrank Cleveland, OH
AuPanda Los Angeles, CA 8000 miles clicks, no other problems
Barry626 Rochester, NY
blk000 Plano, TX vin: 163739
Buzduz74 Unknown clicking
Eagle91 Unknown 8700 miles clicks, unknown start mileage
Gary Wells Long Beach, CA 700 miles vin: 161982 no clicking yet
Hondarr South Florida 6000 miles just started to click
Marktanner Atlanta, GA 4300 miles clicked at 1K miles, TSB done
mpouls1 Rockford, IL
NeedCTS-v Austin, TX
nynd unknown
OldDrummer55 West Richards, WA. 5500 miles, no clicking, Ultraview adjusted
Pj911 unknown 1300 miles no problems
Razorecko unknown 12K miles blk chrmd 1st 1K mls no issues
sikohsix unknown
tbss08 Warrick County, IN
Warchild Unknown 2100 miles vin: 164536 no clkng yet
backup Indiana 4500 miles 1st episode of wheel clkng


Later than 03/09 build date
cbloveday Chicago ‘burbs (04/09) 1600 miles no clicking
CTSV4now unknown (04/09)
Lavaman Naperville, IL (04/09) 8K mls torqued to 140 within 1st 1K mls
nradcad Houston, TX (04/09)
Mike 09 V Unknown (04/09) 5400 miles no clicking
OldRoadDawg SW central PA (04/09) 5000 miles no clicks, squeaks, pops, rattles
Prof Wadsworth, IL (04/09) 9K miles, no clicks, wheels removed weekly
09BlackV Unknown (06/09) 3K miles already clicking
zero26039 Unknown (06/09) 2K miles already clicking


Data off of my computer, listed by build date, then alphabetically listing of user name
I am still looking for those of similar dates & vin #'s. & especially the infamous wheel clicking issues, your user name, your build date, your vin #, wheel clicking issues or not, mileage when wheel clicking issue started, current mileage dealer fixed, went away by itself, never an issue?

zero26039
11-20-09, 10:01 AM
Gary Nice work. but i think you need a hobby.
My v has about 2500 miles

anonfrank
11-20-09, 10:54 AM
Gary FTW. Wow, impressive.