: Plan now - 3 years - Cadillac revenge - cash for hybrids!



Bro-Ham
10-19-09, 07:48 PM
I've become fascinated with the willingness of people to dispose of American automotive assets for political correctness. Since I'm a firm believer in what goes around comes around I thought our recent government sponsored innocent murdering of Cadillacs and other fine large vehicles should be followed up by the destruction of a similar number of "eco" vehicles, especially hybrids. After all, we have plenty of oil resources, we deserve safety and comfort and security, plus, those hybrids have those nasty HUGE batteries that are harmful to the environment. Instead of ruthlessly revving the hybrids to death, I say open the batteries and let the acid melt down the hybrids into nothingness. True passionate car people will be liberated! :)

Stingroo
10-19-09, 08:19 PM
Support. :P

Lazarus_Rooney
10-19-09, 08:29 PM
count me in.

csbuckn
10-19-09, 08:53 PM
I think it would be fun to do crazy things with them...like sling them from giant slingshots, push them off cliffs, destruction derbys or see them on the field at the next monster truck show.

Stingroo
10-19-09, 09:06 PM
I vote building a giant microwave and putting one inside.

There's a video on youtube where they microwave an xbox 360, and it's pretty sweet. Imagine a Prius. :D

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-19-09, 09:16 PM
How about mixing them with nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain?

Ranger
10-19-09, 09:20 PM
Park it down range on a rifle or better yet, machine gun range. Plant a hidden incendiary charge in it and let the gunners go at it. When the lucky one hits the charge..............KA-BOOM! Fun for one and all.

Destroyer
10-19-09, 09:31 PM
Wait a minute, doesn't Cadillac have hybrids now? Self mutilation? Why not, the N*'s have been self mutilating for years. :cookoo:

sven914
10-19-09, 09:35 PM
Being that we can't go around, and legally smash other people's property, we can trick them into giving us their econocrap. I don't know if this works for all hybrids, but it will work for the Prius. If you give a Prius gasoline engine a misfire (either by disconecting the sparkpulg or the injector) the engine will start making this horrible rattling sound. It literally sounds like a rod knock, and that combined with all of the dash lights coming on and the whole car shacking will make any Toyota owner think the evil is being released from the box.

After that, it's just a matter of what you want to do with the cars. I personally would go through my Anarchist Cookbook and test some of the "recipes." Then after that I would probably play with the wreckage and build some sort of twisted monument, to be left on the White House steps.

Stingroo
10-19-09, 09:38 PM
We could build a supersize Obama statue out of Prii.

lol

Bro-Ham
10-19-09, 10:16 PM
What I would give to watch a Priass being revved to death, or being put to sleep as Sven said, with that poison in the engine like in that youtube video of that still plenty good Cadillac......

V-Eight
10-19-09, 10:16 PM
I'm in


I vote building a giant microwave and putting one inside.

There's a video on youtube where they microwave an xbox 360, and it's pretty sweet. Imagine a Prius. :D

I'm going to look that up


I think it would be fun to do crazy things with them...like sling them from giant slingshots, push them off cliffs, destruction derbys or see them on the field at the next monster truck show.

Great ideas lol

Stingroo
10-19-09, 10:28 PM
Look it up. it's actually really cool. First he does just the controller, and then the whole console.

It's a parody-ish vid with a really poor Indian-ish accent being played, and they say Xbox 360 funny, but it's still worth watching.

The console like, catches fire from the inside out.

Ah screw it:

Link: YouTube - Microwaving An Elite XBOX 360 Game System in HD Wide Screen

EDIT: Note: It's not a white 360 elite, just a white one with a 120gb HDD.

77CDV
10-19-09, 10:36 PM
I'd very much enjoy seeing a Prius flung from a catapult. Or getting shot out of a cannon.

Aron9000
10-20-09, 01:21 AM
I would like to see Prius vs freight train myself. Maybe have a couple of crash test dummies dressed up like dirty hippies in there for good effect, because it would be fun seeing the train coupler/hitch go through a hippie's head.

I can see there being a huge battery disposal problem in the next 5-10 years because of hybrids. Junkyards will probably not take them(or will not give you anything for them) because it would be like disposing of 300lbs of toxic waste or 25 normal car batteries.

bierman.d
10-20-09, 02:21 AM
Let's short circuit a Prius!

I think it's probably necessary we start taking donations to buy "Prii" to abuse.

Warren_R
10-20-09, 05:30 AM
There's so many creative & very fun ideas here, it's almost impossible for me to decide which I like best. The freight train concept really brings some funny images to mind; especially with Al Gore is strapped into the car.:histeric:
Failing that, accelerating one into a very sturdy brick wall @ 100mph would be a major thrill :bump::rockon:

Stingroo
10-20-09, 07:20 AM
Yes but Warren, do we have enough time to WAIT to get a Prius to 100? :p

N0DIH
10-20-09, 08:22 AM
Roger that!

MLRS gets the job done.....

YouTube - MLRS - STEEL RAIN/BLACK RAIN

YouTube - '07 MLRS Live Fire




Park it down range on a rifle or better yet, machine gun range. Plant a hidden incendiary charge in it and let the gunners go at it. When the lucky one hits the charge..............KA-BOOM! Fun for one and all.

N0DIH
10-20-09, 08:26 AM
I like the Al Gore idea..... tie him into one down range with some MLRS.....

He can now enjoy our Military in all its glory first hand....


There's so many creative & very fun ideas here, it's almost impossible for me to decide which I like best. The freight train concept really brings some funny images to mind; especially with Al Gore is strapped into the car.:histeric:
Failing that, accelerating one into a very sturdy brick wall @ 100mph would be a major thrill :bump::rockon:

Stingroo
10-20-09, 09:12 AM
Meh, it'd do no good, he would continue to b**ch about the effect on global warming all the missiles were causing until they hit.

EDIT: Assuming that thing fires missiles, can't really watch youtube vids in class. lol

outsider
10-20-09, 09:17 AM
We could build a supersize Obama statue out of Prii.

lol

Obama'mis Prii'm? :yawn:

Count me in, anything to get revenge for all our fallen cadillacs :(

Stingroo
10-20-09, 09:44 AM
We can put a little footnote on it made out of the door of a Prius:

"Here's hoping you're not like this guy"

Bro-Ham
10-20-09, 10:28 AM
We will get our pound of flesh. The best revenge is cheap gas and low taxes which makes for a strong economy and then everyone buys what they know they really want: large comfortable vehicles. It's time we became the greatest nation on earth again rather than starving ourselves as slaves to political ideologies like global warming and socialism. We shall overcome these unfortunate days and prosper and flourish - - to the dismay of our current political leadership who value their political power more than our prosperity . All those fine big cars that died needlessly recently will never be forgotten by me - EVER!

sven914
10-20-09, 03:21 PM
I'm partial to fire and explosions.

I swear rednecks have the answer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjf-2lHFHAc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x2PEzqylLk

Ranger
10-20-09, 03:39 PM
OK, I'd like to amend my suggestion. We strap Al in the drivers seat first.

Kick94sts
10-20-09, 03:58 PM
I'm actually doing a speech on why not to buy a hybrid lol.

Stingroo
10-20-09, 04:30 PM
I'm actually doing a speech on why not to buy a hybrid lol.

I'm writing my research paper for English on the same topic; and a 10 minute powerpoint presentation for Computer Science on the adverse effects of hybrids on the environment.

Kick94sts
10-20-09, 04:38 PM
I'm writing my research paper for English on the same topic; and a 10 minute powerpoint presentation for Computer Science on the adverse effects of hybrids on the environment.

I did a power point on that in high school too, haha

"G$"
10-20-09, 04:43 PM
i will never forgive obama for cash for clunkers. dumbest government program ever.

Stingroo
10-20-09, 04:59 PM
lol Well I'm in college, but yeah, same concept really.

It's going to be funny, the kid who sits behind me is like, hardcore ignorant liberal who actually DRIVES a Prius. He makes me laugh almost daily.

77CDV
10-20-09, 05:00 PM
I can see there being a huge battery disposal problem in the next 5-10 years because of hybrids. Junkyards will probably not take them(or will not give you anything for them) because it would be like disposing of 300lbs of toxic waste or 25 normal car batteries.

Don't worry, the government will subsidize that, too. After all, hydrids are good for us. The government said so, so it must be true.:helpless:

sven914
10-20-09, 05:44 PM
lol Well I'm in college, but yeah, same concept really.

It's going to be funny, the kid who sits behind me is like, hardcore ignorant liberal who actually DRIVES a Prius. He makes me laugh almost daily.

Oh, it is so much fun to mess with right-wing liberals. Tell him he shares the same political views as Hitler. After he blatantly denies that, tell him that a right-wing liberal is just to the left of a Fascist, being that Fascism is the extreme right. And you can add the little sting, that it was Adolf who created the first econobox; the Volkswagen Beetle (yeah thats right Adolf Hitler founded Volkswagen; the very same car that became the symbol of peace and free love... stupid hippies).

Stingroo
10-20-09, 06:41 PM
Well, Fernidad Porsche designed it, IIRC, Hitler just commissioned it. :p

But yeah, I love when he posts little things as his facebook status. I commonly debate on his page, and often he looks really bad for it. In fact, another friend of his sided with me, and we've become pretty good friends from it (and she's pretty hot too, I must admit).

Who says politics is for squares? :D

V-Eight
10-20-09, 06:42 PM
Oh, it is so much fun to mess with right-wing liberals. Tell him he shares the same political views as Hitler. After he blatantly denies that, tell him that a right-wing liberal is just to the left of a Fascist, being that Fascism is the extreme right. And you can add the little sting, that it was Adolf who created the first econobox; the Volkswagen Beetle (yeah thats right Adolf Hitler founded Volkswagen; the very same car that became the symbol of peace and free love... stupid hippies).

Except, unlike these damn liberals', Hitler's methods worked.

Bro-Ham
10-20-09, 09:49 PM
Wait - - hold the phone - - like Hitler, Obama drives the same HUGE gas guzzlers like Hitler cruised around in his GIANT Mercedes panzerwagons - - over the top. Think about it. Obama, give up your 2 747's and the limos and maybe we'd be able to accept this for the peeps. A bullet proof Prius for Obama and maybe then this would be semi-real. Until then we know better. Ca$h for hybrids!!!!!!!! :) :) :) :) Bash away since they have already had the luxury of the government behind bashing the cars that made AMERICA GREAT! Act Up!!!! :)

c5 rv
10-20-09, 09:51 PM
I'm making sure my next car has a V8.

Bro-Ham
10-20-09, 09:51 PM
Hitler = giant Mercedes. Obama = giant Cadillacs. Us? On foot? Bikes? hybrids? cash for clunkers?!? Oh please!!!! :)

Bro-Ham
10-20-09, 09:52 PM
I agree with Sven, rednecks are smarter than the average bear! :) Put in a Skoal, drive your Cad, look down on those nutters in their ugly prius ick-mobiles!

V-Eight
10-20-09, 10:02 PM
I'm making sure my next car has a V8.

I'll never buy a car w/o one :)

sven914
10-20-09, 10:13 PM
Sting: Hitler told Porsche what he wanted the car to be and to look like and Porsche just made it practical for its intended use.


Except, unlike these damn liberals', Hitler's methods worked.

How?.. Sure he was able to woo thousands of sheep into his cause of destruction and racism. Sure Nazi Germany conquered more lands than Alexander. But in the end, where did it get him? The Fatherland was left broken and hated by all. Hitler himself was left cowering in a dark hole, waiting for a Russian death, but instead he took the easy way out and left his people to die alone and leaderless.

V-Eight
10-20-09, 10:23 PM
How?.. Sure he was able to woo thousands of sheep into his cause of destruction and racism. Sure Nazi Germany conquered more lands than Alexander. But in the end, where did it get him?

I'd say that's all a pretty big success....

Germany's economy was also very prosperous during that time as well. It doesn't matter where it got him personally.

Aron9000
10-20-09, 10:38 PM
Double post, oops

Aron9000
10-20-09, 10:39 PM
Found a picture of V-Eight's basement . . . . .

http://www.theweekextra.com/news/hitler061106/hitler_shrine.jpg

Bro-Ham
10-20-09, 10:52 PM
I'd say that's all a pretty big success....

Germany's economy was also very prosperous during that time as well. It doesn't matter where it got him personally.

What?!? The German economy was ruined after WWI and propped up after by government sponsoring of just about everything and their people were desperate for anything that sounded like a better way of life - - sound familiar? Our recent economic woes would have ended already had the markets taken their natural course. Instead we're in a prolonged economic hell. We all need to start grabbing our bootstraps and start pulling!!! We can do it! Freedom and limited government is the only answer as history has proven. Drive your Cadillac and show everyone some confidence! :)

Destroyer
10-20-09, 10:54 PM
Found a picture of V-Eight's basement . . . . .

http://www.theweekextra.com/news/hitler061106/hitler_shrine.jpg:thepan: Not right at all.

V-Eight
10-20-09, 11:00 PM
Found a picture of V-Eight's basement . . . . .

http://www.theweekextra.com/news/hitler061106/hitler_shrine.jpg

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I just said his approach WORKED, not that it was RIGHT


What?!? The German economy was ruined after WWI and propped up after by government sponsoring of just about everything and their people were desperate for anything that sounded like a better way of life - - sound familiar? Our recent economic woes would have ended already had the markets taken their natural course. Instead we're in a prolonged economic hell. We all need to start grabbing our bootstraps and start pulling!!! We can do it! Freedom and limited government is the only answer as history has proven. Drive your Cadillac and show everyone some confidence! :)

WWII was BECAUSE WWI's Treaty of Versailles ****ed them over and they weren't going to take that shit anymore. I've taken multiple history courses which covered this topic.

Stingroo
10-20-09, 11:18 PM
Yeah uh... WWI was started by someone else as well IIRC. -shrug-

V-Eight
10-21-09, 09:11 AM
Yeah uh... WWI was started by someone else as well IIRC. -shrug-

Yeah, the Serbians killed Franz Ferdinand, so the Austrians got the Germans to go kick their ass.

Stingroo
10-21-09, 09:33 AM
Yeah. That's pretty much what I remember of it too.

Then again, WWI was barely even touched on in my High School, it was weird, but WWII got extensive coverage... (you would think almost that it would be the other way around.. almost everyone should know by now how the US got dragged into WWII).

Bro-Ham
10-21-09, 10:14 AM
The ways of the world are complex and can be seen through many prisms and perspectives.

Obama got elected portraying himself as moderate then moved WAY left once elected.

Cash for clunkers destroyed a huge number of plenty good cars worth billions of dollars simply to appease environmentalists. Had rebates been given to car buyers the dealers would be able to sell the new car and resell the used one which would have paid sales commissions to the employees, paid tax dollars for our roads, and left intact the asset of the used car for its USEFUL life.

So, since our beloved large cars were destroyed for a political agenda I believe revenge must be taken by those of us who feel small tin can cars and hybrids are as offensive and politically incorrect as the liberal environmentalists feel about the big cars we own, drive, and LOVE!

Libs hardly deserve driving priveliges. ;)

sven914
10-21-09, 04:37 PM
Some day I see all of this coming to a head. A huge battle between those of who are obsolete, but still won't die and those who have evolved to function in the new world, but have completely forgotten about the ways of old. Our world is ever changing, not just with our cars, but with every aspect of life. Machines are beginning to replace the human work force. With the huge trend of automation, to increase production at human expense, soon the only people employed will be those able and willing to learn how to work for the machines; whether that be servicing them, programing them, or designing the machines to build the machines.

What this thread, so far, has come down to is that our cars are obsolete and we are refusing to abandon them and accept some new form of technology. If we were willing to adopt the new age of automation, then none of us would have any problem handing our cars over to Mabus and allowing them to be melted down and become apart of the new infrastructure. I have always had the mentality that I was a cockroach; I refuse the evolve and yet I will out live all those who do.

Stingroo
10-21-09, 06:46 PM
I wouldn't say I "refuse to evolve", I'm all for new technology in cars, but I don't see why we should be forced into it.

Bro-Ham
10-21-09, 06:57 PM
Sven, you contradict yourself - - machines can, do, and will replace menial to complex tasks yet in the same breath you admit that people are required to service them, design them and build them. Also, people sell, market, and transport these things. The cup is really half full if you look at it long enough. As people are able to make things better and better and easier and cheaper it always creates opportunity and prosperity - as long as the government gets out of the way so regulations are limited and freedom is expanded. That's the beauty of the free marketplace driven by ideas, ambition, and hard work! Sure, there's always risk but there is also reward!

Our big cars are unabashed symbols of American prestige. Luckily we can still buy great big comfortable, safe, and beautiful vehicles. These types of vehicles will never become obsolete or nothing because too many people love them and adore what they stand for. You'll be surprised as you go through life and realize the difference between self defeatism compared with confidence. Our current situation is permanent only if we give up. The smoke will lift, the mirrors will break, and the curtain around the wizard of oz will lift to expose the dismal socialistic policies we're currently enduring. I won't cave to the agendas of others, especially when they are absurd! Hang in there! We shall overcome! Pass every Prius you see and stomp on the gas and burn some carbon out your exhaust to choke em with the heavy emmissions our cars so proudly produce!! :) :) :) :)

Stingroo
10-21-09, 07:23 PM
Well, not to nit pick, but the cup is only half full because at one point, there were no machines (total emptiness), and we've built them.

However if we were to come into a world full of machines (cup full) and be in the process of destroying them, it would be half empty.

Sorry, I just really despise that cliche. A lot.

V-Eight
10-21-09, 07:59 PM
Then again, WWI was barely even touched on in my High School, it was weird, but WWII got extensive coverage... (you would think almost that it would be the other way around.. almost everyone should know by now how the US got dragged into WWII).

Everyone plays up the Holocaust too much and say it was the worst genocide ever. Guess they've never heard of Mao? Stalin?

sven914
10-21-09, 11:45 PM
Sven, you contradict yourself - - machines can, do, and will replace menial to complex tasks yet in the same breath you admit that people are required to service them, design them and build them. Also, people sell, market, and transport these things.

There will always be man. But most people don't have a job operating, repairing, or designing industrial machines. Those people displaced by automation encroaching on new skilled labor fields, must learn new skills in order to survive. Those new skills are hard to learn and sometimes take years to acquire. Not everyone is willing to relearn the basic skills necessary to advance.

It used to be that to market a product to a global economy, an organization would need to directly or indirectly employ thousands of individuals; people to design the advertisement, people to print the advertisement, people to ship the design worldwide, people to hang fliers and build billboards, people to produce the commercials, people to commentate commercials, ect... Now you just need one person, skilled in advertisement design, and a computer with internet access, and you can advertise electronically to millions of people, the world over.

Currently, there is a prototype for a roadway and tractor-trailer system that will allow trucks to drive unmanned, thus replacing human truck drivers with robotic trucks. Hundreds of thousands of people purchase items from online stores. When they do, their order is received by a computer, sent to another computer at a warehouse, which prints out a label to be placed on a box, filled with computer designed, machine built parts, which are then inspected and packaged by a computer. In all likelihood, the UPS dude is the first human to touch that box.

77CDV
10-22-09, 01:32 AM
The current drift of the discussion brings this to mind:

YouTube - The Obsolete Man

Bro-Ham
10-22-09, 09:21 AM
Sven, how little faith you have in mankind, especially here in the land of the free. There is no guarantee of employment for people who aren't willing to work - - that's why we have all the obama welfare programs and charities. Those who are willing to work will always have opportunity in line with their ambition. If you have the will to make something happen you will do it! As we see in the former soviet dominated countries, killing of opportunity and enthusiasm creates complete societies like the one you so depressingly seem to subscribe to. Machines make our lives easier as we diversify into different pursuits. America is different because we have such extreme freedoms - - as of right now. There will always be the next great opportunity for people and it always lifts all ships! Again, show some confidence, turn your frown upside down, shoot for the moon and you just can't lose!!! :)

OK, I still want to talk about cash for hybrids if anyone else is interested! Let's make sure cash for clunkers II never happens! I will be at the forefront of opposition if this is proposed again! How about everyone else?!? :) :) :) :) :)

Stingroo
10-22-09, 09:41 AM
If they try it, we should have a Cadillac parade to Capitol Hill.

:)

blue07cts
10-22-09, 12:54 PM
Jeremy clarkson says it best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOvp69lnZbA

sven914
10-22-09, 03:00 PM
If they try it, we should have a Cadillac parade to Capitol Hill.

:)

Why just a Cadillac parade? We should invite everyone who drives a gas guzzling clunker or took cash for clunkers as a personal insult. I'm sure there are a lot of Lincoln fanatics who were pissed off to see their favorite cars destroyed.

While there, we can have a hybrids being revved while someone sprays sulfuric acid down the intake.

Stingroo
10-22-09, 03:25 PM
Honestly, that would be awesome. lol

I can just envision this massive parade of Camaros, Fleetwoods, DeVilles, Silverados, Mustangs, Dodge Rams, F-series trucks, etc. just encircling all of Washington D.C.

Bro-Ham
10-22-09, 03:37 PM
Amen! Now we're talkin!!!

Bro-Ham
10-22-09, 03:40 PM
I've been playing with Prius drivers in traffic lately including today. I think they are beginning to feel the heat and that we large vehicle drivers are not too happy with them... :) Game ON!

Stingroo
10-22-09, 03:57 PM
Hehe I can't wait. :)

Bro-Ham
10-22-09, 04:31 PM
Sting, what's your frequency Kenneth? :) I mean, what's up with your CAR? :)

Stingroo
10-22-09, 04:43 PM
It's in limbo until February at least because I need to fork up for insurance, lol.

However, I think dad found someone willing to work on it, and work with us/me for payments for the work too. (not that that'd be a problem, I'll have the money, but still)

Bro-Ham
10-22-09, 06:41 PM
I've noticed tonight, after showing some more friendly jostling to another prius this evening, that prius drivers are aware of and concerned about big cars like mine as I give them a run for their money on the friendly roadways. I don't acknowledge these prius drivers but my way of torture is to really stomp on the gas, and hopefully have some big smoke or smelly emmissions come out, and I try to get in front of them to spew these smells and sights, real or imagined, since it seems to drive these nutters crazy because they seem to think they'll be choked to death by being behind a big car like mine. Before these prius people just stuck their noses in the air but after watching the news tonight and hearing the poll indicating people don't buy into global warming anymore I think these ridiculous prius drivers are realizing they are soon becoming on the undesirable end of the automotive and social spectrum, just as obama's poll numbers sink as well. I LOVE IT! :) :)

Bro-Ham
10-22-09, 06:44 PM
By the way, Sting, I'm going to get a part time job to make some extra $$$ to pay for your car fixin since it's been waaaaaayyyyyy too long since this whole conversation began and I'm beginning to get impatient for you! :) Someone has to do it. Your car is essentially a cash for clunker unless you somehow make it a priority to prove to us otherwise.... :)

Stingroo
10-22-09, 07:52 PM
If you somehow FOUND a part time job I think I'd consider you a hero. lol

I had one lined up at Toys R Us for the holidays, but the way they schedule I'd have had to stay on campus during all of Christmas break, which both defeats the purpose of going to get the car, and sucks my wallet dry because during the 3 weeks (yes, three), the restaurants on campus would be closed, so I'd have to pay for food. Uncool. :(

EDIT: Link to the Global Warming poll thing? I'm curious.

I like how the other day I woke up and it was 41 degrees outside too. It's so warm, I can barely stand it! [/sarcasm]

sven914
10-22-09, 08:04 PM
I think the funniest thing about Prius' is that they have a back up alarm. These puny little cars sound like heavy machinery when they move around they don't even have enough power to run down an old lady.

Ranger
10-22-09, 09:19 PM
If you think the Pruis drivers are a little self conscious, just imagine the poor schmuck behind the wheel of a "smart" car. I love passing them and just giving them a little glance. They know what you're thinking and you gotta know they are embarrassed.

Stingroo
10-22-09, 09:52 PM
I don't see why ANYONE would buy one of those. They look hideous from literally every angle.

sven914
10-22-09, 10:20 PM
If you think smart cars are ugly:

http://z.about.com/d/alternativefuels/1/0/j/O/-/-/09_Myers_NmG.jpg

This is produced by Myers Motors in Tallmadge OH. It is a three wheeled, all electronic car. It comes in two styles "Pizza Butt" and "Jelly Bean."

http://www.hightechscience.org/Sparrow_and_NmG_3d.JPG

77CDV
10-23-09, 03:00 AM
It looks like a shoe on wheels.

Warren_R
10-23-09, 04:08 AM
They look a mating between a jelly bean & a basketball shoe. And that doesn't even cover the gross colors.

Aron9000
10-24-09, 12:47 AM
For some reason they remind of this:

http://maruschak.net/__oneclick_uploads/2009/03/dory.jpg

Stingroo
10-24-09, 12:49 AM
Dory! xD

No, that's what you HOPE it reminds you of, so you never have to remember you bought/drove it.

N0DIH
10-24-09, 11:24 AM
Problem is V8's are a dying breed, the economy and this administration think we should be driving 3 and 4 cyl cars....

And thanks to the cash for clunkers, Japanese economy got a nice boost and the American economy got jack squat.....




I'll never buy a car w/o one :)

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-24-09, 11:50 AM
For as much as I like having a nice, big, torquey V8, there are a lot of good six cylinders out there, and I've grown to like them almost as much.

My three favorite engine setups are V8 and big six cylinders, whether they be inline or V. V12s are amazing from an engineering standpoint, but they never seemed to make the low end torque a good V8 can, nor are they nearly as reliable, simple and cheap. When was the last time you saw a V-12 in anything other than a European exotic? And I haven't heard too many good things about the Dodge and Ford V-10s. They seem great on paper, but everyone that's owned one says they just don't have the bottom-end torque that the 440 and 460 did. As a matter of fact, one of my favorite customers has a V-10 Excursion in their shop and I asked him what it drove like and he said there was a lot of lag before you got into the meat of the power band, he said it felt like a turbo charged car with the lag and whatnot.

N0DIH
10-24-09, 12:13 PM
A friend has a V10 Excursion and honestly it takes a LOT of rpm to get into the powerband on it, it doesn't have the bottom end like a good BB. My 454 tromps all over him, my powerband is soooo much fatter and flatter.

I have a 3800 Supercharged, I get 28-32 mpg highway, and run a 15.69@89.92 in the quarter mile with traction control on (which killed my run, expecting 15.3-15.4 with TC off), I can smoke the tires off the line at any time. It is very smooth and powerful for a 3900 lb car. Off the line, midrange and top end acceleration are great, quiet and smooth, and mods are abundant. I like V8's, but this for a daily driver is fine.

I will build a LQ4 for my 80 T/A for racing, forget old school for now.....


For as much as I like having a nice, big, torquey V8, there are a lot of good six cylinders out there, and I've grown to like them almost as much.

My three favorite engine setups are V8 and big six cylinders, whether they be inline or V. V12s are amazing from an engineering standpoint, but they never seemed to make the low end torque a good V8 can, nor are they nearly as reliable, simple and cheap. When was the last time you saw a V-12 in anything other than a European exotic? And I haven't heard too many good things about the Dodge and Ford V-10s. They seem great on paper, but everyone that's owned one says they just don't have the bottom-end torque that the 440 and 460 did. As a matter of fact, one of my favorite customers has a V-10 Excursion in their shop and I asked him what it drove like and he said there was a lot of lag before you got into the meat of the power band, he said it felt like a turbo charged car with the lag and whatnot.

csbuckn
10-24-09, 12:27 PM
Drive your Cadillac and show everyone some confidence! :)


Best statement of the whole thread. Could you imagine going outside and not seeing any RWD cars?

77CDV
10-24-09, 01:26 PM
^No.

Stingroo
10-24-09, 01:38 PM
I think I would drive backwards in protest, if that ever happened.

Bro-Ham
10-24-09, 08:07 PM
Say a prayer the obama administration is like the carter administration: one term! Remeber, Reagan resulted from the disaster of carter. Let's hope this time around we're just as lucky! As the song on Smokey & The Bandit went: "a-we've got a long way to go and a short time to get there, a-we're gonna do what they say can't be done...." CLASSIC! :) Let's keep on truckin in our Caddies and run over all those hybrids and smart(stupid) cars! :) :) :) :)

orconn
10-24-09, 08:20 PM
For bang for the buck you can't beat a V-8. The turbo charged are also good, but I prefer a supercharged six delivers adequate power with no lag, which seems to me the best solution .... although superchargers are more expensive than turbos.

V-Eight
10-24-09, 09:10 PM
If done correctly, you can set up a turbo car to have no lag.

Stingroo
10-24-09, 09:30 PM
^ True. Turbos have come a long way. I'm even warming up to them as of late...

N0DIH
10-24-09, 09:36 PM
My 301 Turbo had no turbo lag, but the turbo was too small to be really as powerful as it should have been.

Sorta trade off, big turbo, very powerful, small turbo, super responsive. Cross between the two makes a good combo. You can't beat a root blower for response and bottom end power, but ends up being in efficient on the top end.

Prochargers are probably the best tradeoff, turbo like top end, good low end, and very efficient.

It all costs $$.. Turbos faded away in the late 80's due to taking too much heat out of the exhaust so O2's and cats got too cool and didn't have good enough cold start emissions. But with modern emissions, they are on a return.... I love turbos! I hope to build me a Turbo V8 again for my 80 Turbo T/A.....


If done correctly, you can set up a turbo car to have no lag.

Stingroo
10-24-09, 09:39 PM
lol A friend of mine is trying to convince me to save for a turbo for my car after I get it going.

I keep trying to tell him that I need to get it moving first. lol

N0DIH
10-24-09, 09:56 PM
For the 94 Fleetwood?

Get a LQ4 6.0L (50K mile engines are easily found from under $800), toss on a set of L92 heads ($800), toss in a GM HOT Cam ($300ish) and headers ($300) and who cares about a turbo? :) You'll be at 550 hp then.... For chump change!

Stingroo
10-24-09, 10:19 PM
You're scarily tempting me. Like no kidding. I could work for a year and have that.

Urgh. lol

V-Eight
10-24-09, 10:39 PM
My 301 Turbo had no turbo lag, but the turbo was too small to be really as powerful as it should have been.

Sorta trade off, big turbo, very powerful, small turbo, super responsive. Cross between the two makes a good combo. You can't beat a root blower for response and bottom end power, but ends up being in efficient on the top end.



Thats why you gotta go twin turbo :lildevil:

N0DIH
10-24-09, 10:48 PM
Start off slow...

9-05,6.0,ATOD, 63,000 Miles $1000
This is a 05 Van LQ4 (cable throttle). I have seen cheaper. These head flow like LS6 heads, toss in LS6 cam and easy 400 hp as is. Then add headers....

This is awesome power for a Fleetwood....



You're scarily tempting me. Like no kidding. I could work for a year and have that.

Urgh. lol

sven914
10-25-09, 01:09 AM
If done correctly, you can set up a turbo car to have no lag.

When I was in college, I came up with a turbo system that delivered instant boost with 0 lag. Basically I had a electric air compressor with a line running to the exhaust pipe ahead of the turbo. The air compressor was set to run with ignition on, and delivered enough PSI to get the turbine moving, to build up boost. Because you don't want boost at idle, I had a vacuum pull-off valve in the pipe going to the intake, which was closed at idle and opened when vacuum was taken away. In theory, the increased air flow was supposed to strengthen the idle boost pressure, and make more boost available during the initial acceleration. It all looks good on paper, but I never got to try it out.

Aron9000
10-25-09, 04:51 AM
I'm a huge fan of the V8, total torque junkie. Plus they work really well with an automatic transmission, something that cannot be said of ANY 4 cylinder/automatic car I've ever driven. God those things are slow and pathetic. I'd much rather get 16mpg in my old, paid for car that has some balls under the hood than drive something that gets 40mpg, sounds like a vacume cleaner, and has a car payment.

V-Eight
10-25-09, 12:02 PM
I'm a huge fan of the V8, total torque junkie. Plus they work really well with an automatic transmission, something that cannot be said of ANY 4 cylinder/automatic car I've ever driven. God those things are slow and pathetic. I'd much rather get 16mpg in my old, paid for car that has some balls under the hood than drive something that gets 40mpg, sounds like a vacume cleaner, and has a car payment.

True, even a lot of V6s I've driven are pretty bad with an auto.

orconn
10-25-09, 07:32 PM
Good point! The smaller displacement 4 and 6 cylinder engines just aren't very satisfactory with an automatic transmission. My wife had a Peugeot 505S with an auto trans and truth be told it was a bit of a dog. I drove the same car with a stick 5 speed and it was a totally different car; much more enjoyable! Of course there is the problem of so many young people not being able to drive stick. In a light car stick shift is really not much of an effort. Although, for those who find pumping their own gas too taxing, the rigors of a manual transmission might also be to much of a strain!

Stingroo
10-25-09, 08:39 PM
Well truth be told, we aren't even TAUGHT manual anymore. I think it should be REQUIRED to do Driver's Ed. in a stick.

77CDV
10-25-09, 10:26 PM
Though I can drive a stick if I must, I haven't in many years. Just too tedious in LA traffic.

orconn
10-26-09, 12:21 AM
All depends on the stick. My wife and I drove an '82 Wolfsburg Scirocco in L.A. traffic all the time and enjoyed it. I wouldn't want to have wanted to drive my E-type dailyin L.A. traffic, or the Lambo, or the 2002 Mercedes (to be honest I got tired of it in D.C./NOVA traffic and taught my son to drive stick and sold it to him). The latter three cars were powerful and had heavy clutches which became onerous in stop and go traffic, although only the Kompressor Merc was torquey enough to have been satisfactory with an automatic trans. The VW with its' torquey little 4 banger and 92 hp was a lot of fun and not wearing in traffic at all. A Corvette with stick in traffic would be a pain in the butt!

sven914
10-26-09, 07:08 PM
The only way I'll drive manual is if it's behind a diesel. And the only way I'll drive a diesel is with a stick. Any other format is just barbaric.

I learned stick on an 89 Dodge Power Ram with a supped up 359 Cummings Turbo Diesel; could start off in fourth gear, and the engine wouldn't stall (wasn't happy, but wouldn't stop).

There's nothing like filling the air with toxic ash; just because you can! I would get another Cadillac, with a 350 diesel, just for that reason, but unfortunately it's a faux pas to put a clutch and a speed shifter in a Cadillac (though it might be interesting).

Destroyer
10-26-09, 09:48 PM
If you think smart cars are ugly:

http://z.about.com/d/alternativefuels/1/0/j/O/-/-/09_Myers_NmG.jpg

This is produced by Myers Motors in Tallmadge OH. It is a three wheeled, all electronic car. It comes in two styles "Pizza Butt" and "Jelly Bean."

http://www.hightechscience.org/Sparrow_and_NmG_3d.JPG

I'd drive it :D

I~LUV~Caddys8792
10-27-09, 06:36 PM
Well truth be told, we aren't even TAUGHT manual anymore. I think it should be REQUIRED to do Driver's Ed. in a stick.

Agreed. Our driver's ed cars were Vibes and Grand Am's (what a great way to get a generation of kids started off liking shitty Pontiacs), and all but one Vibe were automatics. I tried driving clutch in that one Vibe, but it was awful hard because that clutch was so touchy.

I ended up learning stick-shift AFTER I got the job at the dealership. Nothing like learning on brand new C6 Corvettes. :cool2:


The only way I'll drive manual is if it's behind a diesel. And the only way I'll drive a diesel is with a stick. Any other format is just barbaric.

Funny you mention that, because most trucks don't offer stick shifts with the diesels anymore. I know GM quit a few years back, because nobody was buying them. With a diesel, you've got such a narrow powerband, you have to keep shifting it to keep it in the sweet spot. Nowadays, the automatic transmissions are so much stronger and more reliable you aren't worried about the tidal wave of torque blowing out anything. Plus, when equipped with a manual, the towing capacity is lower as well.

Still though, some people won't have it any other way. When I worked at that Chevy dealer, we actually had a 3500 Ram Cummins + 6 speed equipped vehicle as a rental for about a week. Nobody thought it was cool, but I wanted to take it out for a day or two.



I'd drive it :D

You're a better man than I.

Stingroo
10-27-09, 06:38 PM
We had Ford Tauruses for our driver's ed. It wasn't that bad really, the cars were MUCH nicer than anything I had ever been allowed to drive (up until that point).

N0DIH
10-27-09, 06:40 PM
I can't recall what we had, I think it was 83 Buick Skylarks.... I was by far the best driver in the group, but the guy who was on the instructors (he was the coach) wrestling team got the best grades...Go figure....

Stingroo
10-27-09, 07:16 PM
I remember one day I got kicked out of the car.. the day we learned the Figure 8.

I decided it would be cool to try and do it at 35-ish in the student parking lot. I succeeded, but the instructor was far from impressed. Then, scary as this sounds, the instructor comes up to us in his little golf cart, screaming at me, and says that I'm exactly like my father. I looked at him for a second, and he explained how he also taught my dad driver's ed. It was rather creepy, but dad confirmed when he had to come pick me up for my little stunt.

V-Eight
10-27-09, 07:50 PM
^What did you do? LOL at the just like your dad.

orconn
10-27-09, 08:02 PM
We had a 1961 Chevy sedan of some sort, I am sure it was an automatic as I don't remember the girls having any trouble ...... shifting that is! I only took it to get the insurance discount and to participate in a teenage right of passage I had previously been denied. The prep school (boarding school in today's parlance) didn't offer driver's ed, while finishing my last year of high school at an Ohio public high school I took advantage of the many things I had missed by going to a prestigious but small private high school. Cambridge High School had a football team (East Coast prep schools mostly played soccer) and a marching band and majorettes and girl cheer leaders and Friday night sock hops and the freedom to kneck in the park and at the local drive-in. I only needed a civics class and senior English to graduate so attended a local college for fun and took only those classes I wanted. Needless to say with such a light load studying was not much of a burden. I thank my lucky stars that I had that senior year before I went off to college. It let me know what my cohorts were talking about when they mentioned the "Traffic Safety" films and Home Coming!

V-Eight
10-27-09, 10:40 PM
^What did you do? LOL at the just like your dad.

NVM, missed the figure 8 part.

sven914
11-01-09, 09:23 PM
So... This is how this thread dies; off topic and reminiscing about foregone years of high school and learning to drive in 1982.







We're pissed off about Cash for Clunkers! This is where we release our anger.

Bro-Ham just posted these figures in the RWD forum:

1984 - 34
1985 - 75
1986 - 125
1987 - 105
1988 - 126
1989 - 112
1990 - 119
1991 - 142
1992 - 65
1993 - 169
1994 - 122
1995 - 57
1996 - 49

Thats just the Rear Wheel Drive Cadillacs destroyed, which is 1300 cars at an approximat total of $5,263,000.00 paid.

Over 1000 1995 de Ville's were destroyed for $4,567,500.