: Replace XM Tuner with Sirius?



5CTRVET
07-28-04, 06:17 PM
Does anyone know if it is possible to replace the XM tuner in our cars with one from Sirius? Been listening to Sirius via Dish Network and like the music selection better. They also carry NRAnews.com 2x a day. I figure worst case scenario would be to add the aux inputs and add it that way.

Terran
10-18-04, 02:55 PM
That's what I've been trying to figure out as well. I do not have the XM tuner installed, but my radio (2004 CTS 3.6) is still XM-Ready.

The questions is do any SIRIUS tuners work with our factory radios? As for as I know, I don't believe any currently interface with our Blaup unkt factory radios. The only SIRIUS item that Blaup unkt makes is a Plug-N-Play unit. So, you're only going to get an FM Modulated solution with that. That's not good enough for me. Give me a seamless, factory-radio-controlled installation!

SIRIUS also is coming out with a SIRIUSConnect solution which is what I believe you and I are looking for. However, I'm not sure if any brand's unit will work or if we have to wait for Blaup unkt to release their own unit. The future is uncertain.

Good luck!

Rickerbucks
10-18-04, 06:41 PM
I have a CDN V car and I do not have Xfm currently because of some regulatory BS. I know that I can get subscription if I have a US address - which I can "arrange" - so does anyone know if my car would have the hardware installed and I just need to in some way activate it?

Shaun

benjet
10-18-04, 06:52 PM
I have a CDN V car and I do not have Xfm currently because of some regulatory BS. I know that I can get subscription if I have a US address - which I can "arrange" - so does anyone know if my car would have the hardware installed and I just need to in some way activate it?

Shaun

My guess (highly uneducated one) is that you might be missing the XM module (or box) which IIRC is in the rear deck, simply plugging that into the CLASS 2 (radio data) loop and you will have it on your radio.

But that's just a guess. Use the instructions in the FAQ for adding an AUX input to your radio to hunt around and find out if you have or are missing this module, if missing check for connectors/cables for it and if need be just go buy the part and install.

-Ben

M396 #00-011
10-19-04, 11:37 PM
I've replaced the factory XM in my Silverado SS with Sirius. The great part is, all the info still comes up on the factory radio, and it has full function over the Sirius.

Soungate makes the piece, called a KNGM1, although I don't know if it's compatible with the V.

Terran
10-20-04, 12:35 AM
Unfortunately, the Soundgate unit does not work with any CTS. The only Cadillac it works with is the Escalade. I emailed them and they said their current unit would not work in the CTS, and they had no future plans to develop one that would work.

Terran
10-22-04, 03:04 PM
Apparently, Blaup unkt will be coming out with a SIRIUSConnect solution in early 2005. However, it only works with Blau SIRIUS-Ready radios. Although, the Support Rep that I emailed at Blau said that there are aftermarket adapters that should work for our XM-Ready radios.

So a seamless solution is on its way...if you can wait.

ctsvett
10-22-04, 05:56 PM
Guys,
Finally going to weigh in here. You cannot change the XM module over to serius unless GM makes a module for serius that will work in our cars. the XM module is highly integrated into the car going as far as using the Class II serial data bus to transmit song name and commands. This is not an option.

You can however install serius as an aux input using the method on the FAQ to install a aux input.

Go here: http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/answers/auxaud/index.html

Good luck.

Reed
http://www.cadillacfaq.com

Terran
10-22-04, 07:55 PM
You cannot change the XM module over to serius unless GM makes a module for serius that will work in our cars. the XM module is highly integrated into the car going as far as using the Class II serial data bus to transmit song name and commands.


Right. That's what I was eluding to in my previous post. Yes, you can do SIRIUS as an Auxiliary input...with just the sound (no artist/title text). However, the Support Rep I emailed said adapters were available (or on their way) that would also allow their SIRIUS box to interface with the OEM Class II data bus (providing artist/title text and control from the radio and steeringwheel). It's already being done in the Pontiac Grand Prix with the SoundGate product. So I still do think it is an option...we may just have to wait for the SIRIUS box and the adapter.

So for now, we just wait and see....

M396 #00-011
11-01-04, 09:51 PM
Guys,
Finally going to weigh in here. You cannot change the XM module over to serius unless GM makes a module for serius that will work in our cars. the XM module is highly integrated into the car going as far as using the Class II serial data bus to transmit song name and commands. This is not an option.

You can however install serius as an aux input using the method on the FAQ to install a aux input.

Go here: http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/answers/auxaud/index.html

Good luck.

Reed
http://www.cadillacfaq.com


Actually, it is an option, if Soundgate would make the piece. That is how my piece works. It does work on an Aux input basis, but it does communicate on the Data Bus to deliver correct Track title info for Sirius.

The problem is, Soundgate has no current intention of making the piece. :helpless:

Terran
07-28-06, 06:40 AM
Wow! EXACTLY 2 years later, we finally have a solution! The SIR-GM1. It's a SIRIUS module that replaces your XM tuner (if you have one), and also includes a T-Harness to connect it if you don't already have XM. It gives you the factory-installed "look and feel." It displays the info on your radio and is also controlled by the factory radio and steering wheel controls. 2004-2006 Cadillac CTS's are on the Compatibility List, though we have to make one small wiring mod, I hear. I have mine ordered and will probably do a write-up with it's own separate thread.

If you search for "SIR-GM1" on www.crutchfield.com (http://www.crutchfield.com), you'll see it. It's $99.99, as I recall.

Good luck! :thumbsup:

Kadonny
07-28-06, 08:16 AM
The only downside to the tuner is you still have to run an external antenna from Sirius and place it on the roof.

Terran
07-28-06, 08:34 AM
True.

Although, you can place it on your rear deck. Perfect reception from there. And plenty of antenna wire to tuck out of sight.

OR

If you do have XM already installed, I believe there's a thread on www.siriusbackstage.com/forum that explains how to use your existing XM antenna. I'm not sure if it's a wire-splice mod, or if there's a physical adapter you can buy or create. Either way, it can be done.

dvandentop
07-28-06, 09:11 AM
post a link once u find that

mdc
07-28-06, 10:19 AM
Here is an email I recieved regarding the XM-Sirius conversion kit

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/743025-post7.html

Looks like it will be shipping soon ... :D

mdc
07-28-06, 10:25 AM
BTW, this is the unit here:
http://www.tss-radio.com/sirius-connect-p-228.html

$99 for the unit and all of the required wiring ...

XM actually called me yesterday to ask if I wanted to continue after the 3 month trial. As soon as I mentioned that I was changing my head unit for Sirius, they offered me the XM service for 1 year at $5.50/month. Anyone that wants to keep XM should call customer service and say that you are considering a switch to Sirius ... chances are you will get a major discount for staying ;)

Here is a funny phone call that Ned (works on Bubba the Love Sponge show on Howard 101) did when he threatened to cancel his XM for Sirius ... she gave the discount almost immediately. In fact, when XM heard about this call, they threatened to sue if the call was aired on a Sirius show ...
http://audio.isg.si/audiox/?q=audio/play/4402
(I think there is some colorful language in the call, so probably not work/kid safe)

Terran
07-28-06, 02:05 PM
Here is an email I recieved regarding the XM-Sirius conversion kit

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/743025-post7.html

Looks like it will be shipping soon ... :D

Crutchfield.com is currently shipping the units. Mine is on a UPS truck and will be on my doorstep on Monday. The Sirius Store (which you've been in contact with) has mentioned that they're starting to receive their shipment. They're currently filling the pre-orders, I hear. Once they've caught up with that, you should see the item in stock.

Terran
07-28-06, 02:55 PM
post a link once u find that

Check these links for info:

Wire splice done on a Chevy HHR:
http://www.siriusbackstage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84440&highlight=antenna

See the 3rd post for a custom-made adaptor:
http://www.siriusbackstage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81502

More info from the custom adaptor-maker:
http://www.siriusbackstage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78689&highlight=antenna

Hope that helps!

diverdan
07-28-06, 06:15 PM
Crutchfield.com is currently shipping the units. Mine is on a UPS truck and will be on my doorstep on Monday. The Sirius Store (which you've been in contact with) has mentioned that they're starting to receive their shipment. They're currently filling the pre-orders, I hear. Once they've caught up with that, you should see the item in stock.

Please post some feedback on your unit, once you get it in (also whether you are using some sort of adapter to use the XM antenna). I'm very interested in how well this conversion works, particularly in the interface and the sound quality.

Terran
07-28-06, 06:18 PM
Please post some feedback on your unit, once you get it in (also whether you are using some sort of adapter to use the XM antenna). I'm very interested in how well this conversion works, particularly in the interface and the sound quality.

Firstly, I don't have XM installed, so I will be using the antenna that comes with the unit.

And, as I eluded to a few posts up, I may do a full write-up. So I'm sure you'll be hearing about how this all ends up. Although, my car is a CTS, so I'll likely post it there, and not here in a "V" thread.

Stay tuned!

BBV
07-28-06, 07:25 PM
I received my Sirius SIR-GM1 last week, the day we left for vacation.

I took a quick look for the XM module as I was packing to leave. No Joy.

The instructions say it is under the rear package shelf for the CTS.

I didn’t remove the package shelf (tons of seatbelt and child seat anchors) however I did not find any wiring other than the “subwoofer”.

Since I’m away for another week or so I will give my undying gratitude :worship: to the person that locates the XM module in an ’06 V.

Terran
07-28-06, 10:11 PM
Since I’m away for another week or so I will give my undying gratitude :worship: to the person that locates the XM module in an ’06 V.

Assuming you have XM, the module IS under the rear deck. Follow these instructions to find it. The writeup also shows the XM module in the first pic.

http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/answers/reardeck.html

BBV
07-28-06, 11:15 PM
Assuming you have XM, the module IS under the rear deck. Follow these instructions to find it. The writeup also shows the XM module in the first pic.

http://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/answers/reardeck.html

Thanks Terran,
When I get home next week I’ll take it apart.
If it is there in my ’06 V, my worthless undying gratitude is yours.

mdc
07-29-06, 07:42 AM
As his unofficial agent, I demand 10% of that ...

Terran
07-29-06, 10:18 PM
As his unofficial agent, I demand 10% of that ...

Hrm....well, he did say his gratitude was worthless. So since 10% of Zero is still Zero, help yourself! :thumbsup:

mdc
07-31-06, 10:24 AM
then I want 20% !!

(that'll learn ya)

japx
07-31-06, 12:41 PM
Why??? With the miserable sound quality of XM can Sirius be any better? Does Sirius broadcast greater than 64kbps? An IPOD solution with recordings of at least 128kbps (close to CD or FM quality) is the way to go.

BBV
07-31-06, 01:03 PM
Why??? With the miserable sound quality of XM can Sirius be any better? Does Sirius broadcast greater than 64kbps? An IPOD solution with recordings of at least 128kbps (close to CD or FM quality) is the way to go.

For me it's not about audio quality. If that were the case I'd start by ripping all the Bose junk out.

I have two other Sirius receivers, adding a third is cheaper than a subscription to XM for the receiver in the V.

Flyin-Ryan
07-31-06, 01:16 PM
Im more into the programing ie. NFL FOOTBALL

mdc
07-31-06, 01:31 PM
...and Stern

Kadonny
07-31-06, 02:10 PM
Know whats funny? I was a huge Howard fan as was my wife. I bought her a Sirius radio for her B day to listen to during the day. Both her and I agree that the quality of Howard has gone dramatically down hill now that he can say/do anything. We both realized that half of the greatness of his show was visualizing in your own mind exactly what he was trying to say. Listening now is too "easy". That plus some of the profanity/raunch all the time gets annoying. I thought I would never say that.

Now, back to the topic. 6 months ago I was going to do this swap, now I probably won't and I'll keep the XM. I use it mostly for music now.

mdc
07-31-06, 07:37 PM
I find Stern to be 100x better now ... not even close.

My wife, who used to hate Stern, now enjoys listening ... to everything except the sibian segments which she is convinced is fake (I agree)

BBV
07-31-06, 11:26 PM
My undying gratitude is yours Terran.
.
Use it wisely.

I started a new thread on my Sirius install:
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum/81075-sirius-sir-gm1-installed-pics-attached.html#post765457