: Vinyl Top Care... how often?



JamesC
08-28-09, 06:56 PM
I am finally driving my new 1987 Cadillac Brougham with a full vinyl top. Unfortunately I don't have a car port or garage to park it in (like the previous owner did for some 14 years) and it's currently in great condition, so it's outside now; in the weather and in the sun continuously... I feel SO bad, sooo... how often should I wipe on a vinyl roof care product to help protect it?

I merely ask this, because I heard one can treat the roof too much and cause it to discoloration.

Whatda say? Your comments are appreciated, thanks!

Bro-Ham
08-28-09, 07:06 PM
303 products are a low gloss suncreen for cars and boats and the best for your vinyl. Google 303 to find out more. It was designed for aerospace applications. I have used it for almost 20 years. It is the best to keep your top looking like new and unlike other products, 303 will not attract dirt nor discolor your top. The vinyl top on my 1979 Cad has been protected with 303 and looks just like new despite being regularly exposed to the hot sun and elements here in Florida. :) Dave

Bro-Ham
08-28-09, 07:13 PM
I should also say, use 303 on all the plastic and vinyl and leather in your interior to keep it protected from the sun. :)

sven914
08-28-09, 09:25 PM
I use Murphy's oil soap for all of my vinyl and leather surfaces, and I haven't had a problem with sun damage.

Ehow.com (http://www.ehow.com/how_2300008_clean-leather-oil.html) has an article on the procedure to use when cleaning with oil soap. I don't dilute it in water; I just use a damp rag and pour the oil soap directly onto the roof.

JamesC
08-28-09, 10:33 PM
303 products are a low gloss suncreen for cars and boats and the best for your vinyl. Google 303 to find out more. It was designed for aerospace applications. I have used it for almost 20 years. It is the best to keep your top looking like new and unlike other products, 303 will not attract dirt nor discolor your top. The vinyl top on my 1979 Cad has been protected with 303 and looks just like new despite being regularly exposed to the hot sun and elements here in Florida. :) Dave

Hmm... never heard of 303, I'll look it up, but thanks, do you buy it online or from a store, by chance? Although how often do you apply it too? So I'll knowif and when I buy. Again thanks!

Just to make sure too... these products? http://www.303products.com/shop303/index.cfm/category/1/303-aerospace-protectant.cfm

JamesC
08-28-09, 10:34 PM
I use Murphy's oil soap for all of my vinyl and leather surfaces, and I haven't had a problem with sun damage.

Ehow.com (http://www.ehow.com/how_2300008_clean-leather-oil.html) has an article on the procedure to use when cleaning with oil soap. I don't dilute it in water; I just use a damp rag and pour the oil soap directly onto the roof.

Thanks too! I'll check it out as well.

JamesC
08-29-09, 12:46 AM
Hmm... never heard of 303, I'll look it up, but thanks, do you buy it online or from a store, by chance? Although how often do you apply it too? So I'll knowif and when I buy. Again thanks!

Just to make sure too... these products? http://www.303products.com/shop303/index.cfm/category/1/303-aerospace-protectant.cfm
Bro-Ham, never mind the store or online question... I missed all that info. on the website, there are some stores here in town that carry the products, at least should - I'll give them a call to make sure. Again thanks!

Bro-Ham
08-29-09, 09:11 AM
You may also e-mail 303 products with questions of any kind and you will get an expert and personal response. I apply 303 every month or two and it is easy to spray on and wipe off. If you're serious about preserving your stuff from mother nature's harshness then 303 is the only way to fly. :) Good luck and have fun with your new Cadillac! Dave

tbcaddy18
08-29-09, 06:23 PM
Has anyone heard of Vinylex protectant by Lexol company?...I think its pretty much the same thing as 303..just curious if anyone has used it on their roofs and how it compares to 303?...better or worse?

JamesC
09-01-09, 11:28 PM
You may also e-mail 303 products with questions of any kind and you will get an expert and personal response. I apply 303 every month or two and it is easy to spray on and wipe off. If you're serious about preserving your stuff from mother nature's harshness then 303 is the only way to fly. :) Good luck and have fun with your new Cadillac! Dave

Thanks again! Yesterday I drove over to the nearest store that carries 303 products and purchased a bottle, a little high, but well worth it if it really works, as you said! Costly to eventually get that vinyl top redone.

Used it that afternoon and still today it has a slight shine and no dust attracted to it, unlike the one time I used Armor-All on it soon after I bought the car.

Bro-Ham
09-02-09, 02:40 AM
James,

303 isn't cheap. But it does work. You and your car will both appreciate it as the years roll by. :)

Dave

robb257731
09-21-09, 08:43 AM
Dave, you sure are right about the 303.
When I bought my first Brougham I picked up a bottle of McGuire's vinyl care for the top. It was just okay. This past weekend I went out and picked up a bottle of 303, as I remembered you mentioning it in a different post, and WOW, what a great product. The top looks incredible.

Bro-Ham
09-21-09, 09:36 AM
That's great! Going without 303 on your car is like us going to the beach without sunscreen. Try it on every piece of plastic, leather, and vinyl on your car, both inside and out, and you'll see the difference, especially over time. Our great cars deserve all the protection they can get!

tbcaddy18
09-21-09, 05:45 PM
Is 303 okay for leather seats?..I thought it was for rubber/plastic parts only. or are leather conditioners a must for leather seats?

sven914
09-22-09, 04:12 PM
Is 303 okay for leather seats?..I thought it was for rubber/plastic parts only. or are leather conditioners a must for leather seats?

I don't know about 303 and leather, but I do know that Murphy's Oil soap acts as a conditioner for leather. I've been using it on my work boots, for the past four years, and minus a few nicks and scuffs, they still look new. I use the Murphy's on all the interior leather and vinyl of my car and I haven't had any problems with cracking or even wrinkles in the seats.

Bro-Ham
09-22-09, 06:12 PM
Is 303 okay for leather seats?..I thought it was for rubber/plastic parts only. or are leather conditioners a must for leather seats?

tb, 303 is made for plastic, vinyl, and rubber, yet I've used it for years on leather and it gives the same type of low sheen protection without the slip and slide of other products. Send the 303 people an e-mail and ask them about using it on leather. Maybe I'll drop them a line myself. :) Dave

Bro-Ham
09-23-09, 08:06 PM
I e-mailed 303 and the official word they say is 303 Protectant works great on leather! :) I've used it on leather for years and years and it's fabulous.

JamesC
09-24-09, 09:43 AM
I e-mailed 303 and the official word they say is 303 Protectant works great on leather! :) I've used it on leather for years and years and it's fabulous.

That's good to hear, I think I'll put some on my seats - when it's time to treat the roof next week. Thanks!

robb257731
09-24-09, 10:02 AM
The original question still hasn't been answered. How often should we be conditioning our vinyl tops? With every wash? Once a month?

JamesC
09-24-09, 10:12 AM
The original question still hasn't been answered. How often should we be conditioning our vinyl tops? With every wash? Once a month?

Well the back of the bottle (for the 303 Protectant) says every 3 weeks or so... so about once a month... that's what I'm going to do anyway.

Bro-Ham
09-24-09, 10:47 AM
Robb, it's your call. Either follow the directions on the product you're using or go by eye. You'll know when your top looks like it needs some sunscreen. 303 lasts a surprisingly long time, at least for me, although my car is a cupcake since it's under cover at night and in a garage at the office but since the car is driven daily it does get plenty of exposure to harsh Florida sunshine when I'm out and about. I put on 303 about every 2 months although if the car were outside regularly I'd do it more often. Dave :)

JamesC
09-24-09, 12:26 PM
Robb, it's your call. Either follow the directions on the product you're using or go by eye. You'll know when your top looks like it needs some sunscreen. 303 lasts a surprisingly long time, at least for me, although my car is a cupcake since it's under cover at night and in a garage at the office but since the car is driven daily it does get plenty of exposure to harsh Florida sunshine when I'm out and about. I put on 303 about every 2 months although if the car were outside regularly I'd do it more often. Dave :)

At the risk of sounding like a drugged newbie or something...

Heh, a cupcake, I find that funny referring to a car, I don't know why.

Anyway, my car could have been considered a "cupcake" due to its previous owner(s). The top is in great condition and the previous owner, a 73 year-old lady (yup it was a genuine "grandma's car") for 15 years or so always kept it either garaged or under a carport... even AFTER she bought a new car (last of the Buick Park Avenues) she kept the Caddy under the carport, with the Buick outside, until she sold it. Ha.

I unfortunately don't have the luxury of either and it is outside all the time, I feel so bad about that - thus I made this thread. So I'm going to use it once a month or sooner if it looks like it needs it.

Ha! Even a couple of days after I bought it, it rained a little and I felt bad the car got wet... I have a problem :cookoo: haha.

A few times I even have, between classes, find myself going back to my Caddy in the lot just to look and check up on it... :cookoo: haha... I so should/need to name it, but I can't think of a good one yet.

Bro-Ham
09-24-09, 02:11 PM
Ahhhh. I love it when car people have love affairs with their cars! I do the same kind of stuff James - - it's all part of the fun! One thing I use is "The Absorber" which is a magical chamois-like towel, except, unlike a chamois which only wipes off water, the absorber actually absorbs a considerable amount of water so you can wipe your car off whenever it gets wet and you want it dry in a hurry. If you've watched commercials for "sham-wow" I suspect "the absorber" is the same kind of thing. If you like your car looking concours nice all the time you should look into getting one of these so you'll always look on top of your game! :) Dave

Cadillac Giovanni
09-24-09, 02:37 PM
I used to condition my top and my seats every weekend, until i decided i was fighting a losing battle against 20 years of wear and tear. I'm pretty sure neither of my car's two previous owners had a garage.

I need money for a repaint and top badly. I'm accepting donations, thanks.

Stingroo
09-24-09, 02:49 PM
lol Giovanni, I'd be accepting them too. :P

I can't wait to get my car on the road. I'll definitely give it a name. And I'll definitely be the guy who double parks everywhere to avoid nitwits with trucks who can't drive from hitting me.

Bro-Ham
09-24-09, 03:21 PM
I used to condition my top and my seats every weekend, until i decided i was fighting a losing battle against 20 years of wear and tear. I'm pretty sure neither of my car's two previous owners had a garage.

I need money for a repaint and top badly. I'm accepting donations, thanks.

I feel your pain Giovanni; if this helps I will gladly donate my casino cash to you - I can't think of anything better to use it for than to do some fixin' on your car. :)

tbcaddy18
09-27-09, 02:18 AM
I e-mailed 303 and the official word they say is 303 Protectant works great on leather! :) I've used it on leather for years and years and it's fabulous.

So Bro-Ham, does the 303 on your leather keep it moist/soft?..or do you also apply leather care products from time to time to keep it from getting hard and cracking?

Best,
Tabz

Bro-Ham
09-27-09, 04:45 AM
So Bro-Ham, does the 303 on your leather keep it moist/soft?..or do you also apply leather care products from time to time to keep it from getting hard and cracking?

Best,
Tabz

Tabz,

If your leather is already nice and soft use 303 to keep it that way. The chemistry of 303 protects your leather, vinyl, rubber, and plastic by blocking the sun from penetrating, breaking it down or fading it out.

If your leather is already hard and cracking you can apply 303 to prevent more damage yet, ideally, you need to revitalize the leather first. The best product I've used to nourish and soften abused leather is Leatherique, and although it is time consuming to do the whole process correctly, it does yield buttery soft and supple leather the way it should be. Google "Leatherique" to learn more. It's a small family company and all the make are leather restoration products.

I've seen the long term results from using 303 so that's why I'm so passionate about it. I've shown cars competitively as my hobby for nearly 20 years and was turned on to 303 in the early 1990's by a car/boat nut friend who is a total perfectionist. I was skeptical but after using it, and now knowing others who do, it is the best I've seen for outstanding protection year in and year out. I've also seen folks who have sworn by other leather and vinyl conditioners, oils, and treatments over the years because almost anything can put on some type of shine. I have to bite my tongue after seeing these poor cars and their owners over the years when these cars don't look as good as they should. So, I stay away from Armor All, Connelly's Hide Food, Lexol, and anything with oil, petroleum, or silicon.

Good luck! :)

Dave

GeneLaw1
09-27-09, 06:08 PM
I have used Armor-All Ultra Shine product on my Caddy for a while. But here in FLorida it always end us running down the back window after a night in the Florida humidity ( which I guess what causes that). Does the 303 have this issue?

Gene

Bro-Ham
09-27-09, 07:32 PM
Hi Gene, 303 does not have that issue at all. You spray 303 on, apply it evenly, then wipe dry. My car is in Florida sun and rain constantly and 303 stands up to our harsh environment and I get compliments on the nice condition of my top all the time. :) Dave

tbcaddy18
09-27-09, 07:47 PM
Thanks Bro-Ham! I will definitely give the 303 a try on my leather. I'm currently using "vinylex" for my vinyl top/dash board and has worked really well, but being that they are owned by lexol I think I may try out your 303 product for my seats.

Best,
Tabz

HUF
09-29-09, 10:04 PM
Today I bough 16 oz of 303 Aerospace Protectant for $16.50 at Eastern Mountain Sports.

Bro-Ham
09-29-09, 11:33 PM
a n d . . . :)

HUF
09-29-09, 11:46 PM
a n d . . . :)

lol Did not try yet. That info was for the East Coasters.
http://www.ems.com/storeLocator/

GeneLaw1
09-30-09, 03:43 PM
Hi Gene, 303 does not have that issue at all. You spray 303 on, apply it evenly, then wipe dry. My car is in Florida sun and rain constantly and 303 stands up to our harsh environment and I get compliments on the nice condition of my top all the time. :) Dave

Awesome! Thanks a lot Dave, I am going to give it a go in a couple days here.

JamesC
10-01-09, 12:28 AM
Hi Gene, 303 does not have that issue at all. You spray 303 on, apply it evenly, then wipe dry. My car is in Florida sun and rain constantly and 303 stands up to our harsh environment and I get compliments on the nice condition of my top all the time. :) Dave

Indeed! Mine seems to be holding up pretty well too... and that's in Kansas' schizophrenic weather! In the past week I've got like 4 or 5 comments on how good and clean my Caddy looks and the top too.

Only problem I came across was my own fault... the cloth I used to to apply it yesterday apparently flaked pieces of cotton everywhere... had to wipe them away and now not sure if I should reapply the 303 or not... I didn't rub the cotton pieces off too hard.

Other than that, it's been a good product!

JamesC
10-27-09, 09:31 AM
Yeah starting this up again, but it's a little different this time...

So I woke up this morning and glanced out the window to my Caddy that I tend to do every morning after getting up and I a layer of frost across my vinyl top... then once I got all ready and went out to start it I was like "Ah crap no..."

SO my question is... since there is a product for the sun's damaging effect (i.e. 303) is there a product to help protect the vinyl against ice/frost?

Just curious since, as mentioned, I unforunately do not have any cover for my Caddy and it since outside all the time :crybaby:

HUF
10-27-09, 10:34 AM
Today I bough 16 oz of 303 Aerospace Protectant for $16.50 at Eastern Mountain Sports.

UPDATE. The product looks like a milk and is easy to apply. Unfortunately, we have got a lot of rain in New England. I have noticed that rain washes out it, and all the windows are covered with 303...
Do you think there is still a thick enough layer of 303 after a few rainy days?

Bro-Ham
10-27-09, 05:02 PM
Huf, Note that in the instructions you need to wipe the 303 on and then wipe it off immediately, almost buff it in. The 303 on my vinyl top stays on it and has never run off in the rain as you described and it shouldn't since it becomes a protective layer on the vinyl. Maybe try to use a cleaner to remove what may have been on the top previously. Check the 303 website for their cleaner or drop them an e-mail and you'll perhaps get a better idea of what's happening.

HUF
10-27-09, 06:33 PM
Huf, Note that in the instructions you need to wipe the 303 on and then wipe it off immediately, almost buff it in. The 303 on my vinyl top stays on it and has never run off in the rain as you described and it shouldn't since it becomes a protective layer on the vinyl. Maybe try to use a cleaner to remove what may have been on the top previously. Check the 303 website for their cleaner or drop them an e-mail and you'll perhaps get a better idea of what's happening.
Bro-Ham,

That's what I did - applied 303 with a sponge and wiped it dry.

Bro-Ham
10-27-09, 06:51 PM
What were you using before? I've never had the problem as you described with the 303 slipping off. I also apply 303 sparingly and wipe it dry to a healthy low luster shine. On my cars the 303 has held on and on for months and months with no issues so I can only imagine perhaps there may be a silicon or aromor all residue still on your top. Or maybe it's the texture of the vinyl on your car - - is it the smooth "Elk Grain" or is it more grooved? My vinyl is Elk Grain and despite being in the sun pretty regularly it still looks great! Rain and sun just don't seem to affect the loveliness of my 30 year old 303 protected vinyl top.

HUF
10-27-09, 07:26 PM
What were you using before? I've never had the problem as you described with the 303 slipping off. I also apply 303 sparingly and wipe it dry to a healthy low luster shine. On my cars the 303 has held on and on for months and months with no issues so I can only imagine perhaps there may be a silicon or aromor all residue still on your top. Or maybe it's the texture of the vinyl on your car - - is it the smooth "Elk Grain" or is it more grooved? My vinyl is Elk Grain and despite being in the sun pretty regularly it still looks great! Rain and sun just don't seem to affect the loveliness of my 30 year old 303 protected vinyl top.

The dealer used silicon spray, which I removed with mild soap and water, and after it dried, covered with some vinyl treatment I had bought at Advance. Before applying 303, I have removed the old stuff with mild soap and water, and in a few hours applied 303. Looks like i need to thoroughly clean my vinyl top again and try 303. My top is not smooth and has some black dots (mold?) I could not get rid off.

sven914
10-27-09, 09:09 PM
If you think you have mold, you can use Tea Tree Oil to kill it. I've never used it but I've heard that it nourishes and rejuvenates leather surfaces.

HUF
10-27-09, 10:37 PM
If you think you have mold, you can use Tea Tree Oil to kill it. I've never used it but I've heard that it nourishes and rejuvenates leather surfaces.

Thanks, Sven. It is very discrete and does not bother me much.

HUF
12-03-09, 03:20 PM
UPDATE. Removed whatever might have been previously applied (silicon??) with mild soap water and sponge, let it dry out, and applied 303. No more streaks. Hopefully that thin layer of 303 will help to protect the top through the winter.

Bro-Ham
12-03-09, 03:57 PM
Huf, Just follow the instuctions on the 303 bottle - wipe on and wipe it off to buff it to a low lustre and like new sheen. My car is exposed to sun and rain here in the harsh weather of Florida and it's been at least a couple of months since I applied 303 last and the top still looks amazing! :) Good luck! Dave

Fleet
12-03-09, 05:00 PM
If you think you have mold, you can use Tea Tree Oil to kill it. I've never used it but I've heard that it nourishes and rejuvenates leather surfaces.
Funny you should mention Tea Tree Oil... that is also supposed to treat gingivitis (gum disease).

As for leather and vinyl top treatment, I use Gliptone for leather seats and the vinyl door panels. I think I will try 303 for the vinyl top on both of my Cadillacs.

HUF
12-04-09, 02:26 AM
Huf, Just follow the instuctions on the 303 bottle - wipe on and wipe it off to buff it to a low lustre and like new sheen. My car is exposed to sun and rain here in the harsh weather of Florida and it's been at least a couple of months since I applied 303 last and the top still looks amazing! :) Good luck! Dave
Seems to be a good product. Thanks for the advice, Dave!

Cadillacboy
12-04-09, 05:58 PM
A friend told me to use Jonhson's Baby Oil . I don't ever bother to use it though .

sven914
12-04-09, 06:21 PM
A friend told me to use Jonhson's Baby Oil . I don't ever bother to use it though .

It conditions and protects leather surfaces. I would use mineral oil, which is exactly the same thing, only it's unscented.

Bro-Ham
12-04-09, 08:34 PM
I recall when I was about 12 and my older sister wanted to accelerate her tan and headed out to the patio in the hot mid summer Minnesota sun and covered her body with baby oil which she understood to make her tan golden brown. Well, it burned her to a crisp and she lost maybe 6 or 8 layers of skin as her dark sable brown tan peeled off in the following days. I can only imagine what baby oil would do to the vinyl skins on our cherished Cadillacs.

Unlike global warming, the technology of 303 has been developed and honed from real science to create the perfect protection of our delicate vinyl and leather, especially on our beloved special Cadillacs. Sven, I know you'll be a 303 believer once you try it. :) The home made remedies have the romance of simplicity. 303 is the real thing and keeps our cars sexy as they age so beautifully and gracefully and you won't be searching for NOS vinyl to replace your top as the years move gently by. :)

sven914
12-04-09, 09:20 PM
Sven, I know you'll be a 303 believer once you try it. :) The home made remedies have the romance of simplicity. 303 is the real thing and keeps our cars sexy as they age so beautifully and gracefully and you won't be searching for NOS vinyl to replace your top as the years move gently by. :)

The anarchist in me hates corporately represented products, but the Cadillac owner in me loves the shine of new vinyl.

I used to Armor All the entire roof, and then realized that I was not only (possibly) damaging the vinyl, but I was also throwing money away by wasting a barrel of wipes to protect it. I started using Armor All because I noticed how dry and dusty the vinyl would look the day after I washed it with water.

I switched to Murphy's Oil soap for all of the leather, vinyl, and plastic about two and a half years ago and have used about every three months. The top never looks dry or cracked and looks new when cleaned. I noticed that the leather on the seats and the steering wheel has gotten softer and some of the stretch marks and grooves have gone away.

I use a lot of homemade substitutes: instead of using tire shine, I use break fluid and instead of using a chrome polish, I use a mix of white vinegar and blue washer fluid.

Bro-Ham
12-04-09, 09:25 PM
Sven, Send me your address - - I'm sending you some 303 for Christmas! :) Try it - you'll like it! :) Plus, I like you, I'd like you to be happy! Your Cadillac with the flag masts deserves the absolute BEST - just like YOU! :)

Bro-Ham
12-04-09, 09:29 PM
By the way, where the HELL is Sting??? Final exams week?? :)

sven914
12-04-09, 09:40 PM
Sven, Send me your address - - I'm sending you some 303 for Christmas! :) Try it - you'll like it! :) Plus, I like you, I'd like you to be happy! Your Cadillac with the flag masts deserves the absolute BEST - just like YOU! :)

That's alright... I looked on the 303 corporate site and found a retailer about 8 miles from me. I think I'll pick up a bottle on Monday. Thanks.

Oh, and the flag masts are homemade too; they clip to the side of the hood.

Stingroo
12-04-09, 09:42 PM
Yeah, it's finals week my friend. I'm still lurking though. :D!

Bro-Ham
12-04-09, 10:11 PM
Sting, It's almost finals week for me too. :) What is the latest with the Floatwood? Where are the pix you promised???????????????? :) Sting and Sven are my TWO favorite Cadillac enthusiasts! Jay-Son is a good guy - CRAIG is an absolute FAVE! Merry Christmas and all the BEST for the holiday season to EVERYONE!!! :) :) :) :) ;) :) :) :) ;) :) :)

Stingroo
12-04-09, 10:15 PM
They're coming during Christmas. A lot of stuff went down over Thanksgiving break. lol No news yet, it's depressing. Just waiting until I get that check, I guess.

Bro-Ham
12-04-09, 10:19 PM
Sting, If I have to employ you myself as a consultant to get you some honestly earned dough$ to fix this car of yours - I swear - I will do it! :) Get with it, you're a sharp guy, find some opportunities, make some $$$$, and fix your car and impress yourself - which will impress me. :)

Stingroo
12-04-09, 10:24 PM
I wish it were that simple.. it's as if I need a vehicle to get any sort of job around here, it drives me crazy.

sven914
12-09-09, 08:27 PM
I put the 303 on yesterday and today it ran off in the rain. I whipped it off as best I could (the center of the roof is a hard spot to get) and buffed it. Last time I washed the roof, I didn't apply Murphy's, so I don't think that would have anything to do with it. I noticed that the roof looked clean, but it still looked dry. The Murphy's gives the top the same high shine, wet look, that Armor All gave it.

Bro-Ham
12-09-09, 10:35 PM
Sven, Well, that roof of yours is probably oiled to the point that nothing will help it. Let's see, I think I read on the internet a remedy to help the 303 stick to your roof - try this: three parts of a mixture of coconut oil combined with 1 milligram of powder of freshly pollinated hybiscus essence, mix gently, not too fast, then combine with one part saliva of northern Michigan wild black bear - not brown bear - and then warm the whole mixture under your arm for 45 minutes - not more than one hour. Gently apply to the top of your car, use a spray bottle with a mix of equal parts johnson's baby shampoo combined with gerber creamed peas baby food distilled with pure kentucky moonshine. Once it dries on your roof, wait a week, the top should be clean and then you can apply the dreaded chemical - 303 - to your roof and it should stay on for you. :)

HUF
12-10-09, 12:08 AM
sven, well, that roof of yours is probably oiled to the point that nothing will help it. Let's see, i think i read on the internet a remedy to help the 303 stick to your roof - try this: Three parts of a mixture of coconut oil combined with 1 milligram of powder of freshly pollinated hybiscus essence, mix gently, not too fast, then combine with one part saliva of northern michigan wild black bear - not brown bear - and then warm the whole mixture under your arm for 45 minutes - not more than one hour. Gently apply to the top of your car, use a spray bottle with a mix of equal parts johnson's baby shampoo combined with gerber creamed peas baby food distilled with pure kentucky moonshine. Once it dries on your roof, wait a week, the top should be clean and then you can apply the dreaded chemical - 303 - to your roof and it should stay on for you. :)

omg!!! :lol:

sven914
12-10-09, 03:05 PM
Sven, Well, that roof of yours is probably oiled to the point that nothing will help it. Let's see, I think I read on the internet a remedy to help the 303 stick to your roof - try this: three parts of a mixture of coconut oil combined with 1 milligram of powder of freshly pollinated hybiscus essence, mix gently, not too fast, then combine with one part saliva of northern Michigan wild black bear - not brown bear - and then warm the whole mixture under your arm for 45 minutes - not more than one hour. Gently apply to the top of your car, use a spray bottle with a mix of equal parts johnson's baby shampoo combined with gerber creamed peas baby food distilled with pure kentucky moonshine. Once it dries on your roof, wait a week, the top should be clean and then you can apply the dreaded chemical - 303 - to your roof and it should stay on for you. :)

F**k that shit... It's 21 degrees with a negative 3 wind chill (and it was 50 yesterday).

And the 303 didn't all wash off. After the roof wind dried, I noticed that most of the roof was still glossy (some of the non-glossy spots I could have missed). I suppose I was just expecting a day and night difference, but was little unimpressed because it was less of a difference then the cheap stuff. I'll try it again in the spring, and see if looking at it in the sunlight will make a difference over seeing it on a cold bleak day in December.

Bro-Ham
12-10-09, 04:17 PM
:) Sven, clean that roof off really well and put the 303 on in the spring and give us a report! :)

The Orj
02-22-10, 02:49 AM
Kentucky moonshine? Are you trying to ruin that poor man's car? These aren't Geo Metros we're talking about here, this a Cadillac forum! Sub genuine Missouri 'shine into that recipe and you'll be fine. I've found the Kentucky tends to reflect the images of famous religious figures out of the corner of your eye between two and six AM on Tuesdays on odd numbered years resulting in damage to the top and a loss of stature on E-bay. Stick to that good ol' Missouri 'shine and you'll be good to go. Post some pix if you lose your eyesight...

Bro-Ham
02-22-10, 02:36 PM
Do you shake up moonshine in an ice shaker and serve it up like a martini? :)

csbuckn
02-22-10, 03:15 PM
I love this place, you guys are crazy

greencadillacmatt
02-22-10, 03:59 PM
Just make sure that the Shine gets distilled between 2 and 6 am. I'd hate to think what might happen if it wasn't. :suspense:

(Oh, and being from Michigan, do ensure that it is BLACK bear saliva. Those brown bears can be jerks. ;))

HUF
02-22-10, 05:20 PM
I put the 303 on yesterday and today it ran off in the rain. I whipped it off as best I could (the center of the roof is a hard spot to get) and buffed it. Last time I washed the roof, I didn't apply Murphy's, so I don't think that would have anything to do with it. I noticed that the roof looked clean, but it still looked dry. The Murphy's gives the top the same high shine, wet look, that Armor All gave it.
Yep, I used 303 and my top (I mean Fleetwood's) looks very dry and pale. I heard that only black bear's sperm can bring the shine back if vinyl top is treated with 303!

sven914
02-22-10, 07:53 PM
^Thank you... I was hoping I wasn't the moron who couldn't apply the all powerful and magical 303.

HUF
02-22-10, 08:49 PM
^Thank you... I was hoping I wasn't the moron who couldn't apply the all powerful and magical 303.
I still get streaks after 303... even after several rainy days they are still there.. BUT they are not as nasty as ones left by silicon-based treatments. They are kind of more transparent.

Bro-Ham
02-23-10, 11:51 AM
Mix the 303 with moonshine and apply it at night. :)

75sled
02-23-10, 12:44 PM
...and good luck with that sperm collection.

sven914
02-23-10, 12:54 PM
Mix the 303 with moonshine and apply it at night. :)

That's just a waste of good Kentucky.

If your going to do that, you might as well get nuked and start worshiping Amun Ra to ensure that the sun won't hurt your beautiful vinyl top

Bro-Ham
02-23-10, 01:57 PM
Sven, You'll have to figure out the almighty 303 otherwise you'll have to get vinyl top goodness the hard way. Once you have sufficient sun exposure and the vinyl top peels off and your car won't run anymore, and you and your car are true believers in Ra, a.k.a. Amon-Re as you say, then it's rumored that it takes 4000-5000 years for both of you to travel the circle of necessity, then, once Anubis decides if your heart and your car's engine measure up against the Feather of Maat, which I'm sure all will as long as you get your 303 applied properly to your vinyl top once and for all, then I'm sure you'll both be judged as good enough, at least worthy of a moonshine cocktail served by by Ba and Ka in celebration of your feat and journey and your vinyl top shall live in resplendent shiny streak-free perfection in the afterlife. :)

Bro-Ham
02-23-10, 01:58 PM
Sven, You'll have to figure out the almighty 303 otherwise you'll have to get vinyl top goodness the hard way. Once you have sufficient sun exposure and the vinyl top peels off and your car won't run anymore, and you and your car are true believers in Ra, a.k.a. Amon-Re as you say, then it's rumored that it takes 4000-5000 years for both of you to travel the circle of necessity, then, once Anubis decides if your heart and your car's engine measure up against the Feather of Maat, which I'm sure all will as long as you get your 303 applied properly to your vinyl top once and for all, then I'm sure you'll both be judged as good enough, at least worthy of a moonshine cocktail served by by Ba and Ka in celebration of your feat and journey and your vinyl top shall live in resplendent shiny streak-free perfection in the afterlife. :)

sven914
02-23-10, 05:28 PM
^This may be the bourbon and rum talking, but...

http://blogs.smh.com.au/mashup/images/applause.gif

...I could almost see it and understand where your coming from.

Bro-Ham
02-23-10, 05:41 PM
I don't know about you but I have not been drinking...today.....yet. As they say on the lottery commercial: it could happen!

PRdeVille
06-24-11, 02:39 PM
New here.
Great info in this thread.

Buying some 303 product online (it's not sold locally... at least, haven't found it).

And no, I'm defnitely not getting some Kentuky moonshine, brown bear saliva, under arm whatnot, and cocatiel bird feathers!
LoL :)

csbuckn
06-24-11, 02:56 PM
This should be in the sticky area.